Fun Stuff > ENJOY
Star Wars 9
Case:
--- Quote from: BenRG on 03 Nov 2019, 09:34 ---It's a nice snark but, to me, the 'Balance' was always an issue of the extreme nature of both side's views: Absolute Light vs Absolute Dark. There has to be some kind of third path. Some controversial Jedi, like Qui-Gon were trying to find it.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Theta9 on 03 Nov 2019, 10:29 ---I'm curious as to how Yoda and the council were "toxic".
--- End quote ---
I couldn't support the point without essentially copy-pasting the better part of several interlocking EU-trilogies (see above) - and even then, that 'point' is more hinted at-, or put forward as lingering doubts & suspicions in the internal monologue of some characters, rather than being explicitly spelled out - but BenRG isn't the first to put forward the idea that the Jedi's particular way of using the Force is an essential part of the teensyweensy problem of Sith Lords popping up out of nowhere every other millennium to devastate various incarnations of the Republic. Several EU writers have expanded on that idea to various degrees, and back when those books were written, Lucas Arts had a dedicated department that kept a tight grip on the canonization of lore.
Basically "It's plausible if Sue Rostoni doesn't object", and on that front, she did everything but - the two trilogies I have in mind in particular became bestsellers.
TheEvilDog:
There's a marvellous quote from Jolee Bindo, a Grey Jedi whose wife fell to the Dark Side and he left the Jedi because they didn't punish him for not killing her. Its actually a whole devastating condemnation of the Jedi's belief of emotions.
"Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled, but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love, that's what they should teach you to beware, but love itself will save you, not condemn you."
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 28 Nov 2019, 03:30 ---It sounds to me like Star Wars fans are a lot more willing to interpret events in a way that makes the original films make sense than they are the new ones.
--- End quote ---
Not at all.
This was always the way of things even before the "Prequel" trilogy.
The timelines for the original trilogy have been known (again) WAY before the prequel trilogy.
Empire was between 3 to 4 years after ANH and RotJ was another year after Empire.
(Remember there was a SIXTEEN YEAR gap between RotJ and TPM being made!)
As for TFA and TLJ, there is NO gap between them at all.
What takes Mr Skywalker at least 4-5 years - to get to a point where he can defend himself well against Vader - (A depleted Anakin, remember... not nearly as powerful as he had been - which I AM willing to admit is retro'd due to the actors playing Vader not being as nimble and fast (or CGI'd and Wireworked as the newest movies) - and only beat him by getting in touching distance of falling to the Dark Side - but then getting his arse kicked by Palpatine - - - is something which is totally outdistanced by Rey, with no training, over a matter of days, FAR surpassing anything we saw Luke do, ever.
At LEAST for TRoS (hopefully) there will be SOME explanation for Rey's knowledge (The Books) but even then... Disney's timeline say TRoS is set only a year after TLJ... It would be refreshing to maybe see Rey NOT be this Uber Force User this time round.
Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
No-one is suggesting these movies are 'Great Art' (despite ANH being based on classic movies and the good ol' "Hero's Journey" template) but this latest trilogy is just lazy.
(Edited to make it not one large paragraph...!!)
Tova:
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 29 Nov 2019, 04:28 ---Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
--- End quote ---
No, we didn't. That's what I'm saying.
JoeCovenant:
--- Quote from: Tova on 29 Nov 2019, 05:33 ---
--- Quote from: JoeCovenant on 29 Nov 2019, 04:28 ---Anyway... THAT is why "Us Star Wars fans" are of the opinion that it's a totally false comparison to even attempt to give Luke and Rey the same "neither of them had any training" backstory. Luke did... lot's of it... and we always knew he did.
--- End quote ---
No, we didn't. That's what I'm saying.
--- End quote ---
You may not have.
Others did. (Us "hardcore fans" as you put it ;) )
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version