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El Opium:
Whats with all the hate la creme? If ya don't like noise don't listen to it. Some noise takes skill some noise doesn't. It's not about skill, it's about doing what you want to do, it's about saying what you want to say, inspireing a feeling, building a bridge. A band can be technical as anything and still be rubbish, Whilst there's plenty of punk rock out there with three chords or less that's perfection. You've likely never been to a good noise show and if you did you'd likely hate it. I've never been to a good jam show and I would certainly hate it if I went to one.
I'll declare that I don't know crap about jam bands and yet declare I dislike them and am thus uninformed. Can you say you really know anything about noise? yet you declare that you hate it? Could you take your squeaky guitar thrash up on stage and get people to like it? It's us noise heads who are supposed to be the hateful ones. First noise gig I went to three of us were thrashing around like crazy having the time of our lives whilst the rest of the audience were cowering in the corners, they just didn't get it. I'm never going to say, "Fuck Jam Bands" why should I? I don't hate them, they just suck. Fuck Wolf Eyes? That's a cassette by their friend Mike Connely of Hair Police.

sp2:

--- Quote from: La Creme ---What they share is taht they attempt to cover their lack of musical talent by slamming on synthesizers and playing too loud for you to think about their music.
--- End quote ---


People said the same thing about the Clash decades ago.  What sounds like noise to you sounds like music to me.  What sounds like music to you probably still sounds like noise to my grandparents.  Should the tastes of my grandparents dictate what is and isn't music?  No.  So why should your tastes be considered the standard?  Music is anything that uses tone, rhythm, or any perversion of the above.  Discordant art prog is still music.

Additionally, they're not "hiding" a lack of talent.  These guys are talented, and it shows when they play more traditional tunes.  They just aren't satisfied with that...they want to play discordant art prog.  There's nothing wrong with playing music you want to play.  Playing something more ear/radio-friendly because that's what you're expected to play isn't what you OR I would call "good musicianship"...I think we can both agree that's what's called "selling out."

heretic:
i don't know much about noise rock and don't claim to. i just want to point something out here real quick.

be careful of judging peoples arguments as unfounded because they don't know much about a genre they don't like. they don't know all that much about it because they don't like it and have no reason to. IMO it is better to counter thier opinion with one of your own in order to sway them, not attack them or say that thier argument isn't valid. noone here claims to be the difinative authority on music, and certainly not on genres they don't like. all we all do is voice our own opinion and just because we don't say IMO every post doesn't mean anyone is trying to say that others are straight up wrong. music taste is subjective and i think everyone knows this, otherwise there would just be a big reference guide with all the music ever created objectively scored in labratories. damn that would suck.

P.S. this isn't in response to any particular post, just a friendly reminder so no one needs to get defensive :)

a pack of wolves:
To drag this back on topic and away from defences of lovely lovely noise (which I think has been done more than adequately)... I wonder why it is that the UK has imported vast amounts of musical phenomena from the US over the years, but not jam bands? From what people are saying it seems this stuff is pretty popular, but I'm still not even sure what these bands sound like (which I shall rectify by downloading some of the people mentioned).

-sam:
Alot of the American jam bands rarely tour abroad.  Since they don't have much of a media presence it's hard to build a fan base without constant touring, which is pretty cost-prohibitive for an American band to do in Europe, especially when there's good money to be made playing gigs in North America.  

If you're interested I recommend hitting up The Llama, most of the big name jam bands have allowed their concert recordings to be hosted there, not to mention a lot of "no names."  Check it out.

-sam

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