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Se7en:
I dont think this is too far off topic, so il not start another thread...

I have a problem. I have a friend that listens to some pretty awful emo, and hasnt heard anything but the crappy stuff. Ive introduced him to sunny day real estate, since thats the closest thing to proper emo that i like and am familier with.
Bassically, he needs re-educating, and i need some suggestions, since i honestly dont know squat about good emo. Suggest specific albums and songs if you can..

mechorg:

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--- Quote from: mechorg ---so objective that arguing over a sound of a certain genre is rediculous because many people can view it differently.
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before I joined this board I NEVER saw so many people get objective and subjective totally backawards.
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Wow, i can't believe i did that.  I guess I got confused in all the philosophical discussions in other threads.

I've been having a bad week, so I have a feeling i've been trying to argue more than was necessary.  This thread is about emo, not a whole discussion on whether genres are over-analyzed.  I see why people label the music they listen to and I probably do it just as much as everybody else.  But I also think some people don't have the same idea when it comes down to sub-genres or just aren't educated enough to seperate things properly.

To use Robbo's analogy (and i, too, lack a specific knowledge of NYC), sure you can narrow it down to Queens or Manhattan... but what if some people say Queens starts at 8th Street and others say it starts at 11th Street.  Genres don't have specific lines seperating them and a gang war seems to start when the boundaries are stretched.

mahlon:

--- Quote from: Se7en ---I dont think this is too far off topic, so il not start another thread...

I have a problem. I have a friend that listens to some pretty awful emo, and hasnt heard anything but the crappy stuff. Ive introduced him to sunny day real estate, since thats the closest thing to proper emo that i like and am familier with.
Bassically, he needs re-educating, and i need some suggestions, since i honestly dont know squat about good emo. Suggest specific albums and songs if you can..
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Small Brown Bike - Our Own Wars
Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy
Husker Du - New Day Rising
Casket Lottery - possiblies and maybes
Saetia - A Retrospective

.. and I don't really consider this band to be emo... but close enough and good enough to recomend but tell this person to pick up Waxwing - Nobody Can Take What Everybody Owns

6 of the best emo albums ever.

Robbo:
Mechorg, you do have a point. But then only so many bands are gonna sit on those edges. But that's where the fun can be, when you have to do some musical dective work to see how it all breaks down. What I generally see happen is it either comes down to "band sits between X and Y..can't really tell the bits apart, all sounds good though." or it's "band sits betweem X and Y, the X bit is great, but they need to cut the Y parts because they suck".

a pack of wolves:
One reason I get picky about what is and isn't emo is that to me hardcore is/should be a countercultural movement as well as a musical genre. So bands which don't fit with that movement at all being tagged emo (which is a subgenre of hardcore and not something apart from it) is damaging to that, and the same goes for a lot of the bands that get called metalcore.

On the subject of good emo recommendations to wean someone onto it, I'd say go for some classics:
Embrace - Embrace
Rites of Spring - Rites of Spring
Dag Nasty - Can I Say

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