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[Patatat]

Brings a fleet of retards that claim they have been fans forever, when they don't know the difference between one song from the other. I am getting fucking tired of this.


Like with the Arcade Fire, kids are claiming they liked them before they were popular. Yet they have no fucking clue, what Us Kids Know was or the difference between the two.

Anyone, else sick of these things happening?

Its been happening with The Decemberists, The Weakerthans, and Iron & Wine alot lately too.

I swear to god if this happens with M83 I am going to be pissed, I'll shank someone.

[sp2]

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

So people in the mainstream like a band you like and are claiming they liked them before they were popular.  Suddenly you can't dangle your indie cred around like the oversized testicles you wish you had and claim you're better than everyone else because you liked such and such band before they were popular without sounding like a trend whore.  Big titty-fucking deal.

I'd rather have bands I like be popular than lame-ass shit like Coldplay.  The only problem is that means good bands that I like won't be playing small venues as often.  I mean, I'd rather pay $7 to see the Constantines at a 200 person venue than $50 to see them at an arena where you can barely see the stage.  But besides that, why the fuck does it matter?

[SpacemanSpiff]

SP2 does have a point. Plus it's bands like these that  get people into more obscure bands, that helps those bands to sell maybe a few more records.

Also, may I ask how you started out? I assume you were some sort of indie-knowledge-God right away.
I for one can safely say that I totally ruined other people's indie cred by getting into alternative music via At the Drive-In's Relationship of Command. I bet tons of people liked them since Hell Paso, yeah, and then comes along shitty old me and suddenly realizes this band is cool. Well, dayumn.

My point is: You have to start at some point. And if these people are rabid fans, even better. They are supporting a band you like (or maybe liked, they probably sold out because the kids like them now).

[SkinniDip]

Agreed. It shouldn't matter how obscure something is for you to like it. Like something to like it. Who cares if the kid next door suddenly listens to them too?

[AnonymousPosterChild]

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

So people in the mainstream like a band you like and are claiming they liked them before they were popular. Suddenly you can't dangle your indie cred around like the oversized testicles you wish you had and claim you're better than everyone else because you liked such and such band before they were popular without sounding like a trend whore.  Big titty-fucking deal.

I'm glad I don't have anything resembling indie cred, otherwise I might be offended.

Truthfully though, this does bother me. Allow me to elaborate. I have a brother. My brother is none to bright. Around 2 months ago, he started listening to Modest Mouse because all his friends were listening to Modest Mouse. Now, I hate Modest Mouse, and I'm sure somebody will kill me for saying that, but thats another story.

A few weeks ago, he went to a Modest Mouse concert with his girlfriend. the next day, when they came back, they kept going on and on about how long they've been listening to the band, and how none of the people at the concert could recognise any of their older songs but them. Now, this didnt really bother me as much as the fact that my brother and all of his friends will change their musical tastes at the drop of a hat in order to seem cool, which I believe is what the original complaint probably came from.

I have never lied about my taste in music. Except for that one time where I lied about a song I liked in order to preserve my masculinity. I wont lie and say I've been listening to Arcade Fire for years now. Truth be told, I hadn't even heard of them until VERY recently. This entire reply may seem a bit ramble-y, but I just cant form a coherant thought today what with my caffeine high.

[sp2]

SP2 does have a point.

Of course I have a point.  I always have a point.  People may just not agree with me.

There are two things bad about the indie scene.  Thing 1 is the excessive Pitchfork worship and parroting that I've bitched about elsewhere.  Thing 2 is the excessive hipsterism that is pretty much inescapable.  The whole indie scene is about being pretentious about your musical tastes.  I mean, shit, I rant on mainstream bands for being terrible, but I also rant on esoteric bands for being just as shitty.  Shit comes in all flavors, remember that.  The only reason there are more good bands on independant labels than major labels is because....holy shit surprise....there are more bands on independant labels.  Plus, what the fuck is a major label vs an independant label?  Is Sub Pop an independant or a major?  What about the label Trent Reznor runs to produce NIN?  Is Sleater-Kinney indie while Nine Inch Nails is mainstream?  I mean, shit, I'd argue that anything you can find in any Best Buy or Borders or Barnes & Noble across the country is probably not independent.  It could be argued (and argued convincingly) that any album that is not self-produced by the band is a sellout.

There is good music out there and shitty music out there.  That is the only distinguishing factor that should matter.  There is good music on major labels.  There is good music on independant labels.  There is shitty music on major labels.  There is shitty music on independant labels.  what other people listen to should not make you dislike a band you like (even if it's a shitty band like Interpol*).

*Due to popular demand, I'm making the "Interpol sucks" thing a running gag.  Get over it.

[sp2]

I have never lied about my taste in music.

Blame the scene where it is imperitive to be the first one who heard of a band in order to maintain some degree of coolness.  What you're seeing is mainstream posers who are copycatting hipster posers.  The only difference between hipsters and mainstream posers is that hipsters have been lying about that sort of shit for a much longer time.

[SkinniDip]

I honestly think that if you have the brains to like a band because you like the band then that's all that matters. Not how long you've listened to them, just wether you let yourself make the decision on if they're shit or not.

[El Opium]

Either suck it up or start listening to music that hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of ever being popular.

[sp2]

I don't know, man, the popularity of Sigur Ros and Interpol would suggest that approach is flawed.

[La Creme]

You could just go farther than too fare and listen to nothing but free-form 1950's post-classical shit.

Otherwise, I agree with sp2. The entire idea of scene cred is stupid and ridiculous and it's just a big ego-phallus boosting thing for upper-middle class white kids.

And I, as an upper-middle class white kid, would like to make it known that I have no scene cred whatsoever and I'm damn proud of it. Plus I kicked a trendy-boy scenester kid in the shins once and that felt good.

[/wang]

[Patatat]

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

So people in the mainstream like a band you like and are claiming they liked them before they were popular.  Suddenly you can't dangle your indie cred around like the oversized testicles you wish you had and claim you're better than everyone else because you liked such and such band before they were popular without sounding like a trend whore.  Big titty-fucking deal.

I'd rather have bands I like be popular than lame-ass shit like Coldplay.  The only problem is that means good bands that I like won't be playing small venues as often.  I mean, I'd rather pay $7 to see the Constantines at a 200 person venue than $50 to see them at an arena where you can barely see the stage.  But besides that, why the fuck does it matter?

Hey, fuck dick, shit in a condom freeze it and then shuve it up your effin ass.

I am talking about them being complete and utter fucking dicks. It annoys me, and apparently thats not okay by your standards. I am sorry that I dislike when fucking morons talk about bands they don't know like they do. Ignorance on any subject annoys me, mostly on music. However, apparently in your own ignorance you have learned to cope with it.


I am not talking about, them trying to get into the "indie" scene. I could careless for any scene, I like to listen to music. This people aren't trying to be genuine fans they are liking it because they are told to and that pisses me off. I am sorry for thinking that people should actualy like music they claim to love.


By the way, I have no indie cred and have never claimed to have it. I don't sit in coffee shops, waiting for some guy in chick pants with a early november shirt on so I can jerk off my ego.

[happybirthdaygelatin]

Suddenly you can't dangle your indie cred around like the oversized testicles you wish you had and claim you're better than everyone else

First mental image: punching bags!  I don't really care too much about selling out.  Bands should just cover their asses when they do so.

Oh and my brother has just recently got into Modest Mouse due to hearing 'Float On' on the radio.  He doesn't pretend to know their older parts of their discography though and it's a nice break from the radio station that plays crunk song after crunk song.

[La Creme]

Patatat, the only way to remove someone's ignorance is to teach them in what they don't know. If you just leave them ignorant and call them a dickhead, you're being a wanker too.

*EDIT* Also, I don't think those dickcheeses are really ignorant, they just want to be cool and unique, and like 95% of people, they fuck it up immensly. Cut 'em some slack, they're only human.

[Patatat]

or I can beat them with a stick.

[La Creme]

As long as it teaches 'em a lesson.

Even if that lesson is "Learn to respect your music more or I will beat you tenfold times harder than I did the last time until you get it pigfuck!".

= )

[sp2]

I am talking about them being complete and utter fucking dicks. It annoys me, and apparently thats not okay by your standards. I am sorry that I dislike when fucking morons talk about bands they don't know like they do. Ignorance on any subject annoys me, mostly on music. However, apparently in your own ignorance you have learned to cope with it.

I don't want to hear idiot opinions on music, so I don't talk to idiots about music*.  Holy shit goddamn, what a fucking revolutionary idea.

I'm more concerned about the ignorance that led us to preemptively invade a sovereign nation, or the ignorance that leads to various forms of discrimination, or the ignorance that allows police to assault law abiding citizens without repercussions or allowing said citizen to even defend themself.  Compared to that shit, whether or not a shitty little hipster wannabe is pretending to be, like, oh man, Arcade Fire's very biggest fan just doesn't fucking bother me.

Anyways, really, anyone who likes Arcade Fire who hasn't lived in Montreal in the last 10 years is a fucking trend-whore anyways.  Discuss.

*Except, apparently, here.

[Patatat]

Oh, you bleeding hearts always bring a smile to my face. When you bitch about something, especialy when you bitch about something falsely. However, discussing your thoughts on politics and how I spit on them are not for this thread.

[Hatebunny]

Since I'm not much of a fan of indie music at all-- (While others seem to orgasm from poorly recorded music, I'm just annoyed by it.) Though, some of it is good...

that's not my point...

er, I hate HATE it when I like something, and it becomes special to me, and then it gets popular, and it becomes someone's disposable razor. They use it, they enjoy it and its effects for a week, and soon afterward, it gets thrown out.

for example:
I like moby. I've liked moby for a long time. I heard a track from 'Play' and I was like DAYUMN. I went out and bought all of his albums, and then almost 6 months later, Play hits it HUGE, and everybody loves it. the ONE month later, Moby's apparently a sellout (probably...the man's pretty self-important) and overrated (I beg to differ.)

Anyway, the problem is that I like to think that If something connects to me emotionally, it's got to be pretty good and or at least a little mature. To see a bunch of people who could not possibly experience the music on the same level (as shown by their immediate disposal thereof), listening and loving an album that I love, and only appreciating THAT album when the entire discography's fantastic...THAT pisses me off. It feels like they're stealing it from me...My enjoyment of the album.

the moral of this story: stupid people should not listen to good music, because they ruin it for people who really appreciate it.

the moral you'll take away from this, since most of you are indie-kids: I like moby, Moby sucks, let's troll.

[Inlander]

You know what?  I like it when a songwriter or band I love suddenly becomes popular - because it means that their music is reaching more people, which is going to encourage and probably enable them to create more music.  If somebody hasn't heard of music that I like, I burn them a copy or encourage them to go out and buy it.  The more the merrier.

[nickb285]

I'm more concerned about the ignorance that led us to preemptively invade a sovereign nation, or the ignorance that leads to various forms of discrimination, or the ignorance that allows police to assault law abiding citizens without repercussions or allowing said citizen to even defend themself.  Compared to that shit, whether or not a shitty little hipster wannabe is pretending to be, like, oh man, Arcade Fire's very biggest fan just doesn't fucking bother me.

Quite. On the list of things to be pissed about, the fact that your favorite shitty band made it big is pretty low. I mean, I know that it's only cool to like music that nobody else has heard of (or thinks that it sucks), but chill the fuck out. There's poseurs in every subculture. There's wannabe punk rock kids who think that they're hardcore because they listen to an Anti-Flag CD when their mom's not home. Do I think they're stupid? Yes. Do I think that Anti-Flag are now a bunch of sellouts and poseurs and stop listening to their music? No, because that would mean you're a fucking moron.

Letting unpopularity dictate your tastes is just as stupid as letting popularity do the same.

[Hatebunny]

Oh, I just remembered my other point...

Indie...It's about artists who produce their music independently...

The funny thing is that many of them are independent because they haven't been noticed yet, and they may in fact want to be noticed very much.
Why would you route against the artist? Don't you love their music? what kind of asshole are you? Indie's like a depressing label for bands that want to make it but can't, and everytime you call yourself an indie kid, it's like you're mocking their efforts, and willing them to fail!
You Are LOSE, Indie!

edit: insert humourous indiana jones quote here.

[grrraham]

punks have a better scene and jazz is better music.

indie yuppie rock loses.

[Maui]

Wow, i actually agree with sp2...except not about the Coldplay thing. Anywho, thats happened with several bands in the past and people making such a huge deal and being like "OMFG SELL-OUT!!!!" is just stupid. Stupid i tell you. As long as they dont change their views and still play awesome music, what does it matter?

I think Jeph said it best in the Sell out t-shirt thread.

I think the idea of "selling out" is pretty much worthless in all but the most extreme cases. If you're going to do creative work in a capitalist society, if you want to make a living you're going to have to sell out to some extent.

[Kai]

I agree with SP2 with everything, especially the COldplay thing. Seriously, who cares if people who previously possibly listened to shit music decided to wise up and listen to something that (In your eyes) is good? Isn't that what everyone wants all along? Sure, they might not know as much as you, captain indie I've-been-listening-to-this-band-since-their-first-record, but nobody knows everything about an artists back catalog or their shows or anything right off the bat! shit, it took me a good month or so to figure out even the most basic stuff about the Residents (Which is quite a task, given the huge back catalog, game projects, and their damned "Theory of Obscurity" business!) But seriously. Chill out and go listen to your Pavement bootlegs or whatever you kids are talking about these days.


Course, I probably feel like this because their is no chance of my favorite artists becoming majorly popular. "No Commercial Potential", anyone?

[tigerlily]

I honestly think that if you have the brains to like a band because you like the band then that's all that matters. Not how long you've listened to them, just wether you let yourself make the decision on if they're shit or not.

Exactly.  And if they can appreciate someone's efforts in putting out a great album like The Arcade Fire's, all the power to them!


One thing that absolutely IRKS ME TO DEATH about this forum, mainly the music talk part, is how freaking elitist you guys are about your music.

I like Stars.  I like the Constantines.  I like groups like Broken Social Scene, and I support local bands in my home cities.  Somehow this makes me "cool" or whatever in ppl's eyes.  But GOD FORBID that I EVER listen to a Coldplay song and ACTUALLY ENJOY IT.  

Because that, according to all that I've ever come across here, would pretty much send me straight to music hell.

[nickb285]

punks have a better scene and jazz is better music.

indie yuppie rock loses.

BWAHAHA!

Yes.

[sp2]

Oh, you bleeding hearts always bring a smile to my face.

Bleeding heart my ass.  I just think it's stupid that the most serious thing you have to get pissed about is someone liking the same music as you.  Oh god forfuckingbid.

It feels like they're stealing it from me...My enjoyment of the album.

"I can't like it unless everyone else likes it for the same reason."  Yeah, good reason.  Also, the "they are ruining it for me so they shouldn't enjoy music I like" thing is so fucking lame.

Indie's like a depressing label for bands that want to make it but can't, and everytime you call yourself an indie kid, it's like you're mocking their efforts, and willing them to fail!

I'm going to ignore the obvious troll, but...

It's pretty possible to make it big even on an independant label.  A major label may be a quick in, but you get screwed if you're not really savvy.

But GOD FORBID that I EVER listen to a Coldplay song and ACTUALLY ENJOY IT.

Because that, according to all that I've ever come across here, would pretty much send me straight to music hell.

I'm pretty sure Coldplay IS music hell.

[Valrus]

Wow, I actually agree with sp2 also. Except the Sigur Ros thing.

I don't really want to defend Coldplay, but they are... inoffensive.

I say, more power to bands that get popular. Like Modest Mouse. I wouldn't have heard of them if it weren't for all the buzz about GNFPWLBN, since I don't listen to the radio and so never heard "Float On." Since I am also 100% cred-free, I just generally find out about bands as they get popular and then work my way back through the generally less accessible stuff from whatever it was that caused them to break through.

And the more people who like Blueberry Boat, the better. And I formed that opinion before I read the fucking Pitchfork review, so just don't even start with me.

[Hatebunny]

It feels like they're stealing it from me...My enjoyment of the album.

"I can't like it unless everyone else likes it for the same reason."  Yeah, good reason.  Also, the "they are ruining it for me so they shouldn't enjoy music I like" thing is so fucking lame.

false! I can continue to like it, but be pissed off because other people like it for the wrong reasons.
True! If someone's ruining my fun, I generally want them to fuck off. Like you for example. fuck off.

[Valrus]

GOD FORBID that I EVER listen to a Coldplay song and ACTUALLY ENJOY IT.

If by "God" you mean "sp2," which is not a mistake I would recommend making.

[Valrus]

I can continue to like it, but be pissed off because other people like it for the wrong reasons.

Sure, you can, but don't expect any sympathy from us.

And by "sympathy" I mean "not mockery."

[Hatebunny]

fine by me.

did I mention that I'm so sexy that I'm probably just cute?

[sp2]

"God" and "sp2" are interchangeable.

Also, Coldplay are not "inoffensive" by a long shot.  I find their music totally and utterly infuriating.

[Hatebunny]

"God" and "sp2" are interchangeable.

Also, Coldplay are not "inoffensive" by a long shot.  I find their music totally and utterly infuriating.

d'you suppose it has anything to do with childhood trauma or unresolved issues involving a tuba and thin englishmen and a car that moves realy slowly down a highway?

[sp2]

No, but I do think it has everything to do with the fact they are completely devoid of talent but the singer still bagged Gwyneth Paltrow.

[McTaggart]

I listen to music I like. If I don't like music, I won't listen to it. Even if this means I lose all my indie cred. If someone is shallow enough to respect or disrespect me based solely on whether I pretend to like some band or not, then I don't care much for their respect. Proof? I have never heard a track from the Arcade Fire, and if I did, then it mustn't have stood out much.

I will suggest music to people if I think they'll enjoy it. I'll burn or buy people copies of music they might be into purely because I like it when people are enjoying something. I'll listen to music people suggest to me (if I can get hold of it) because I'm open to new things. If someone isn't into something I like, I don't hold it against them or keep beating them with it until they do.

The only problem I can see coming from little known bands becoming popular is if they start attracting arseholes to shows. That's never a good thing.

[yuff]

ive been an arcade fire fan for about 2 weeks lol

[grrraham]

And the more people who like Blueberry Boat, the better. And I formed that opinion before I read the fucking Pitchfork review, so just don't even start with me.

I read the pitchfork review and decided it sounded like an album I would like. Then I bought and listened to it and liked it. My appreciation of Blueberry Boat is somehow less authentic than yours.

sp2 miscredited me with some quote about indie being depreciating to the bands which are called such.

[McTaggart]

When Pitchfork didn't find A.C. Newman's The Slow Wonder album nearly as awesome as I did I stopped reading the reviews. I still read other articles though.

[salada]

Either suck it up or start listening to music that hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of ever being popular.

breakcorrrrrrrre!!!

but yeah. it seems 'indie rock' (in the broadest sense) is the flavour of the moment. everyone around me seems to be into it all of a sudden: cardigans, floppy fringes, cons and so on. interesting to see how this pans out, since indie rock seems to have one of the scene-iest scenes around (if you get what i mean).

(somehow, i missed the indie rock boat. is it cool on your island?)

[ASturge]

I find it really annoying. That's fine if people don't care and are quite happy with morons with silly haircuts walking around in a Decemberist T-Shirt shouting things like

"Play Chimberly Sweep!"

At concerts because it's one of the few fast songs.

It just annoys me. Simple as that.

[Valrus]

And the more people who like Blueberry Boat, the better. And I formed that opinion before I read the fucking Pitchfork review, so just don't even start with me.

I read the pitchfork review and decided it sounded like an album I would like. Then I bought and listened to it and liked it. My appreciation of Blueberry Boat is somehow less authentic than yours.

No, no, no, don't get the wrong idea. I actually kind of like Pitchfork, but *ahem* Smugsy McOpinionated forbid that I should say so.

Oh! Here He is now!

Also, Coldplay are not "inoffensive" by a long shot. I find their music totally and utterly infuriating.

It's your blood pressure, dude.

[ASturge]

Nah, I hate em too.

They just.... don't seem to be good at what they do. Why they're so popular is a mystery to me. It's just boring music, and I like The Smiths.

[happybirthdaygelatin]

MY LOVE IS BIGGER THEN YOUR LOVE.  SING IT.

[onewheelwizzard]

There's currently a short bands/artists who are actively touring and getting press from anyone who I listen to regularly.  They are Queens of the Stone Age, Dead Meadow, Wolfmother, Eagles of Death Metal, Mark Lanegan, and PJ Harvey.

I couldn't give the slightest bit of a fuck if someone I knew suddenly became a huge Wolfmother fan after their second album or whatever (so far all they've got out in circulation is a 4 song EP).  I'd applaud them for finally catching on, and I'd do my best to introduce them to their earlier work.  Same with any QOTSA fans I meet ... if all they've listened to are the last two albums, I'll give them a mix with "Born to Hula," "You Can't Quit Me Baby," and "Spiders and Vinegaroons" on it and hope they like those old songs too.  I officially call bullshit on anyone who gets upset at Johnny-come-lately fans ... if you cared you'd try to help those less fortunate than you (meaning, those who got into the good stuff late) realize how prolific and amazing your favorite band really is, instead of feeling offended that they don't already know.

And all that said, last night I just put on Black Sabbath's first 3 albums one after the other and rocked out.  I do the same with Kyuss, Screaming Trees, Beatles, Hendrix, etc.  Music doesn't need to be current to be amazing, and at the risk of sounding pretentious, there's more good stuff in the past than there is in the present.

[KharBevNor]

That's because the past has a way bigger discography. Not to mention Frank Zappa, Johnny Cash, Chuck Schuldinger, John Lennon, Ace Forsberg and a load of other really cool dead people.

[heretic]

I'M GONNA SAY RIGHT NOW: i didn't read the whole thread cause i don't have time right now.

i just think it's kinda funny that a lot of you are so anti-anti-mainstream. pretty refreshing if you actually believe it and aren't just saying it cause it seems the mature way to go.
i'll admit i have a stigma against popular bands, mostly cause i'm arrogant and feel like my peers and I have better taste than other people could possibly comprehend. but, if i like something, i'll listen to it regardless of popularity, it's just less likely that i'll like it if it's popular.
also, i think we should distinguish between indie-popular, and mainstream popular. (sorry if someone already said that) i just bought my first Sigur Ros CD yesterday cause i heard about them on here, and liked what i could listen to at Tower. on here, EVERYONE knows them, but when i mention them to almost anyone else, they have no clue.

[onewheelwizzard]

heretic's got a good point ... indie-popular has nothing to do with mainstream-popular.  I never watched MTV, and I still don't, so aside from hearing buzz about Coldplay being the biggest band in the world I don't have much of an idea what's mainstream.  However, I do know what's indie-popular.  Go to the Your Band Sucks bit of Something Awful, and look at the "Indie's Sacred Cows" column, and you'll understand.  That's what I see as "mainstream" because the only music magazine I read very much is Spin.

Since I listen to desert rock and the like, I feel like I'm indie among indie people because I know that Masters of Reality and Kyuss were two of the greatest bands ever and everyone else is still talking about The Smiths, Pavement, and (apparently) The Arcade Fire.

[tigerlily]

But GOD FORBID that I EVER listen to a Coldplay song and ACTUALLY ENJOY IT.

Because that, according to all that I've ever come across here, would pretty much send me straight to music hell.

I'm pretty sure Coldplay IS music hell.

I haven't been to the forum for a long while, but I can immidiately see why the hell everyone despises... ummmm... certain members.

If you're pretty sure that Coldplay is hell GET AN OPINION AS TO WHY.  
Don't just be jealous that Christ Martin snagged Gweneth Paltrow.

Oh, and PS?  Just cause your head is stuck so far up your ass to even acknowledge others and their tastes, doesn't mean that the rest of the population has to follow you.

OMG WE HAVE MINDS WE CAN THINK!!  THE WORLD IS ENDING!!

For some reason I'm so glad that I'm not an indie snob with any cred.