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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: jwhouk on 30 May 2010, 21:09
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So here's yer thread for a new month and a new week.
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Thank you.
Is there a land where things go the way you want them too? And can you emigrate?
Kudos to Angus for bringing this rather awkward topic in a fairly decent manner, can't have been an easy thing to bring up, and so easy to avoid.
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Angus is pretty good as saying what needs to be said.. And sometimes, saying what doesn't need to be said. :-P
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Kudos to Angus for bringing this rather awkward topic in a fairly decent manner
Angus has shaped up as pretty much of a mensch*. And I hope Marigold gets those facial moles looked at. I know skin-cancer probably isn't the big deal in Massachusetts that it is in Australia, but better safe than sorry, yes?
*Yes, I know I'm of Chinese descent, but I'll use Jewish expressions if I want to...
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...Boy, is it just me, or is Marigold channeling one of our other Femme Fatales (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=97)?
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My, but Marigold is a lovely girl when scantily clad.
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Anyone else notice the crisscross detailing between her boobs is gone? I like the dress w.out it but I wonder if that was intentional or not.
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Probably just a different bra.
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Anyone else notice the crisscross detailing between her boobs is gone? I like the dress w.out it but I wonder if that was intentional or not.
I don't think I'm spilling any secret female beans in informing you of this, but the style, shape, cut, etc. of your bra can affect the way your top drapes over it. ... Or Jeph forgot to put them in.
It's eerie how similar Marigold-Land is to Mad Catopia.
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Marigold's comment in panel 7 clearly indicate a Sven-Marigold relationship incoming!
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Anyone else notice the crisscross detailing between her boobs is gone? I like the dress w.out it but I wonder if that was intentional or not.
I don't think I'm spilling any secret female beans in informing you of this, but the style, shape, cut, etc. of your bra can affect the way your top drapes over it. ... Or Jeph forgot to put them in.
It's eerie how similar Marigold-Land is to Mad Catopia.
It's no secret; I am female myself and quite well endowed if truth be told, but with all of the different styles of bras I own and have owned, I've never had one that made crisscrossy or other such marks in a dress that disappeared when I chose to wear a different style bra under it. Besides, the crisscrosses were still there when her bra broke. I'm opting for Jeph just forgot (:
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Is it really a good idea to talk about a one-sided crush when one party is in some state of undress?
Also, did anyone else feel a Sven-sense tingling in the last two panels? Or was that just my mint chapstick?
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I just have to say, I wish that is advice someone had given me a long time ago, instead of having to learn it on my own.
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Never Settle, Marigold. Never settle.
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First, let me start by saying: Maribra FTW!
*Yes, I know I'm of Chinese descent, but I'll use Jewish expressions if I want to...
If Old Jewish ladies can enjoy mahjong, you can make with the Yiddish if you want.
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Marigold-land…so that's what it's called. I think I've spent a few months, maybe years, there, off and on. And I, too, salute Angus for venturing into the Morass of Awkward and making MG think about why she decided to make romantic advances on him. Probably doesn't help her now, but it's the only way she'll learn. Calling yourself an idiot is fun and all that (must be, spent a fair amount of time doing that, too; it's obviously entertaining to me), but it doesn't really get you anywhere or teach you much.
*Yes, I know I'm of Chinese descent, but I'll use Jewish expressions if I want to...
So long as you understand that makes you a Chinese Oyster. Ba Doom Boom! And Mazel tov (yes, I can be a horrid Yiddish-spewing bivalve myself despite my complete lack of Jewish genes—Southern-Fried Oyster, I suppose.)
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Oi vey!
We may be reading more into it than we are, but it could be a prelude to Svengold.
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Nice Comic, albeit a tad depressing.
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Question 1
Is Tai gonna be there?
Question 2
If so, will she be drinking?
Question 3
Is she gonna hit on MariBear?
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If twitter-canon is any indication, yes on all three.
And hey, if Mari's into one night stands, I know a guy named Fernando who could totally hook her up for only a 30% cut.
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Mari-Bear doesn't swing that-a way.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1492
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Mari-Bear doesn't swing that-a way...
... yet.
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Mari-Bear doesn't swing that-a way...
... yet.
DO NOT GIVE JEPH ANY IDEAS!
(Besides, I could perhaps believe this if this was a certain "other" comic, (http://www.daniellecorsetto.com/gws.html) but it isn't...)
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Uh... someone did some retconning.
"Beauvais" is all I'm going to say.
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Never Settle, Marigold. Never settle.
truer words...
Today's comic has put a past relationship in an entirely new light. Interesting.
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Marigold's comment in panel 7 clearly indicate a Sven-Marigold relationship incoming!
Is it really a good idea to talk about a one-sided crush when one party is in some state of undress?
Also, did anyone else feel a Sven-sense tingling in the last two panels? Or was that just my mint chapstick?
Oi vey!
We may be reading more into it than we are, but it could be a prelude to Svengold.
Yes, because he isn't being character developed past his casual sex days at all :banghead:.
Sven and Marigold may well hook up at some point, but it's not going to be because he just wants to get in her pants. I mean, come on guys.
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That's what I thought - Sven is looking to move away from his past behaviour, so who better to do that with than someone who has never actually been in a relationship and who can unleash Faye and Dora's evil power if he screws her over?
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Actually, pretty much anyone but Marigold. She's the worst candidate for Sven-rehab I can imagine (of the cast as we know it), and you just managed to point out two of the many reasons for this. But Sven may be in Marigold-land now, or perhaps even somewhere worse, so who knows?
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Okay, am I the only one who noticed how ADORABLE Marigold looks in this strip? I think she's starting to trump Hanners in moe-ness!
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
Clearly, the girl needs contact. She's completely overdressed to go watch Youtube with friends, she needs someone to get her past this phase in her life.
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Okay, am I the only one who noticed how ADORABLE Marigold looks in this strip? I think she's starting to trump Hanners in moe-ness!
I'm not sure that's actually possible without breaking Conservation of Narrativium, however she definitely needs to wear her hair down and behind her ears more. Her normal hide-behind-the-fringe thing doesn't do anything for her and the twin ponytails thing makes her look like she's trying to look twelve.
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...did anyone else feel a Sven-sense tingling in the last two panels? Or was that just my mint chapstick?
Recall that this was first said by a girl about to have sex with him...has Sven been breaking the fourth wall?
(with his dick?)
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Okay, am I the only one who noticed how ADORABLE Marigold looks in this strip? I think she's starting to trump Hanners in moe-ness!
I'm not sure that's actually possible without breaking Conservation of Narrativium, however she definitely needs to wear her hair down and behind her ears more. Her normal hide-behind-the-fringe thing doesn't do anything for her and the twin ponytails thing makes her look like she's trying to look twelve.
She does look really adorable, but she's not quite there yet. and the ponytails look nice
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Mari IS quite adorable, and the poor thing needs contact. I... I'm in love.
she definitely needs to wear her hair down and behind her ears more. Her normal hide-behind-the-fringe thing doesn't do anything for her and the twin ponytails thing makes her look like she's trying to look twelve.
Let's not forget she's a construct by a guy, who's showing her symbolically, still 'hiding', still immature. If/when she busts :) out of that shell, the makeover could be amazing. (See PennyandAggie for an example; I'm too lazy to find it.)
And as much as I and others adore her, I'm not sure Sven would be attracted to her type...? His 'dating' history has been consistently attractive, confident blondes, with Faye an attractive, confident personality. I don't see Svendog even sniffing in her direction. To me, it's an obvious, jarring, uncomfortable mismatch (as much as they both might enjoy/benefit.) Plus, Dora & Faye would inflict major damage and derision upon him, for taking advantage. Really, the power balance is almost totally one-sided, unfair.
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
Forgive me for the assumption, but I'd be willing to wager you're probably of the male persuasion. This reaction is not typical among the female persuasion. A young lady is far more likely to fall hopelessly, blindly in love with the first man she gives her flower to than to suddenly become nonchalant about sex once getting it out of the way. Sex causes a lot of intense emotions in a lady that she has never felt before!
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Some men, too, with similar attendant problems if things aren't mutual. Recall Ferris's comment about Cameron's fate in Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Cameron has never been in love - at least, nobody's ever been in love with him. If things don't change for him, he's gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she's gonna treat him like shit, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won't respect him, 'cause you can't respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work.
Admittedly, Ferris is a cynic.
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Plus, Dora & Faye would inflict major damage and derision upon him, for taking advantage. Really, the power balance is almost totally one-sided, unfair.
Which, of course, means we're pretty much guaranteed Sven/Marigold. But this time, with Marigold as the pursuer and Sven as the reluctant pursuee.
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All I gotta say is..
*que eastern europe accent mixed with italian* "Ey Miko, my cousin! Welcome ! You wanna dem big American titties?"
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I'm not sure that's actually possible without breaking Conservation of Narrativium, however she definitely needs to wear her hair down and behind her ears more. Her normal hide-behind-the-fringe thing doesn't do anything for her and the twin ponytails thing makes her look like she's trying to look twelve.
Seriously. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just one ponytail, but whenever she's drawn with large pigtails this is all I see:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/xqjm2e.png)
(And now you can't unsee it either)
EDIT: Screw it, I'm making my own "not-childish Marigold hairstyle" QC edits. (With blackjack! And hookers!)
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
Forgive me for the assumption, but I'd be willing to wager you're probably of the male persuasion.
That's a wager you'd win.
This reaction is not typical among the female persuasion. A young lady is far more likely to fall hopelessly, blindly in love with the first man she gives her flower to than to suddenly become nonchalant about sex once getting it out of the way. Sex causes a lot of intense emotions in a lady that she has never felt before!
And Mari NEEDS to feel them. Even if she does start writing flowery poetry and planning a wedding after her first time, remember, she's got Dora and Faye, ready to kick all of the living (and 80-90% of the dead) shit out of her first time if that guy starts treating her like an unwanted dog. She needs to get screwed, then possibly screwed over, so she can move on.
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Rabble rabble rabble, Angus is a dick and a jerk and Sven/Faye OTP.
Marigold is upping the whole "Desperate" thing. Doesn't reflect well on her.
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Yay ! Comic !
Oh. Its even more depressing today. Dammit.
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Marigirl is not moving on. Bad.
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DAMMIT MARIGOLD!!!
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MARIGOLD. This is not going to *work*. You cannot GUILT-TRIP people into makeouts.
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And Mari NEEDS to feel them. Even if she does start writing flowery poetry and planning a wedding after her first time, remember, she's got Dora and Faye, ready to kick all of the living (and 80-90% of the dead) shit out of her first time if that guy starts treating her like an unwanted dog. She needs to get screwed, then possibly screwed over, so she can move on.
Um. If you're a shy, sensitive, withdrawn girl like Marigold, and you sleep with someone who's your first time, and you fall hard for them (as it seems almost certain Marigold would do, given her reactions here), and then they immediately screw you over... you don't move on. That is not what happens. Much more likely you turn into Faye 2.0, that is, you withdraw even more into yourself and decide to never get involved with anyone ever again.
Or else you become even more insecure, give up on yourself, and start sleeping with anyone and everyone who'll have you, to either make yourself feel wanted in any way you can, or to make that first time seem less important.
None of those options are particularly great or healthy.
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Damnit, every interaction between these two has been making me cringe lately. I love them both when they're with other people, but together I'm not sure which I dislike more.
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...did anyone else feel a Sven-sense tingling in the last two panels? Or was that just my mint chapstick?
Recall that this was first said by a girl about to have sex with him...has Sven been breaking the fourth wall?
(with his dick?)
Well he has definitely got the reach with his 8 and half inches.
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MARIGOLD. This is not going to *work*. You cannot GUILT-TRIP people into makeouts.
Or at least you certainly shouldn't try. Marigold seems to be pulling out all the stops. That dress is short, at least in the last two panels. Dora's skirt for her "meet Dad" moment (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1515) was even shorter, but that's Dora. Marigold doesn't seem the type.
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And Mari NEEDS to feel them. Even if she does start writing flowery poetry and planning a wedding after her first time, remember, she's got Dora and Faye, ready to kick all of the living (and 80-90% of the dead) shit out of her first time if that guy starts treating her like an unwanted dog. She needs to get screwed, then possibly screwed over, so she can move on.
Um. If you're a shy, sensitive, withdrawn girl like Marigold, and you sleep with someone who's your first time, and you fall hard for them (as it seems almost certain Marigold would do, given her reactions here), and then they immediately screw you over... you don't move on. That is not what happens. Much more likely you turn into Faye 2.0, that is, you withdraw even more into yourself and decide to never get involved with anyone ever again.
Or else you become even more insecure, give up on yourself, and start sleeping with anyone and everyone who'll have you, to either make yourself feel wanted in any way you can, or to make that first time seem less important.
None of those options are particularly great or healthy.
Indeed. Marigold shows her desperation and lack of experience if she thinks getting used by someone is going to make her feel better about herself. And not just because she's female, and shy and sensitive, but because she's human (yes, I know exceptions exist. I'm talking in general).
I also noticed her dress is quite short, and it must be a really well chosen, flattering one too because she hardly looks bigger than the likes of Raven and Penelope in it. I know Jeph tends to variate the way he draws his girls weight-wise, it's just something I noticed.
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first man she gives her flower to than to
i can't believe someone would still refer to it as "flower", this made me laugh a little.
As everyone else said, this is seriously NOT good.
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My best advice to Marigold is to just hang around the apartment completely naked. He'll succumb eventually!
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This does not bode well - on the other hand I can get some vicarious amusement at the expense of some cartoon characters, so all's good.
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Nah, she's definitely bigger than Penelope, and I'd say also Raven. She's just turned 3/4th profile in most of the shots. Also, dresses in general are insanely flattering for most women (except for true empire waists, but modified empire waists are easier to pull off). Most of them have detailing/tailoring that either emphasizes or creates a waist, and they skim over the hips, instantly creating a very flattering silhouette. I am so pro dresses that I will shill fo rthe vague idea of them on an online forum. :-p
(50s style tailored-top, full skirt dresses are the BEST ones. I defy you to find any woman who won't look pretty and feminine in them. They give any woman the illusion of a wasp waist and hourglass figure.)
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What's scary is, that facepalm maneuver of Angus is almost a mirror image of Marten's.
Wouldn't it be funny if Angus' dad was a politician who utilized the... erm, services... of one Ms. Veronica Vance, which caused him to become an ex-politician?
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Indeed. Marigold shows her desperation and lack of experience if she thinks getting used by someone is going to make her feel better about herself. And not just because she's female, and shy and sensitive, but because she's human (yes, I know exceptions exist. I'm talking in general).
Can you get 'used' if you're aware of it? ; ) I'd say that if you're getting something out of the deal, you probably cancel each other out. But yes, definitely showing a little desperation here. Though I wouldn't expect much else out of a girl gamer nerd with low self esteem. :\
I would've liked Marigold to woman up and ask him why she's SO great. She hasn't done anything particularly awesome. I could count on both hands why she's kind of a bother and on one hand why she's awesome. I know she's a fairly recent character, but c'mon Angus. Give us a little insight. Maybe he's just laying it on thick to make her feel better.
Also: dress = no good She's so awkward.
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Maybe he's just laying it on thick to make her feel better.
I believe this is the case too. Though it would be very interesting to see her ask that, and it could be used to more effectively guilt trip or somehow jedi mind trick angus into getting in a relationship with her. But I dont think something like that would be like Mari, maybe Faye though
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Sure you can be used and be aware of it. As for canceling out, that depends—oh, god, on too many variables to even try to isolate them. But in this case, JackFaerie is right. Disaster in the making.
And of course he's trying to make her feel better. Takes a real asshole to kick someone when they're down.
MARIGOLD. This is not going to *work*. You cannot GUILT-TRIP people into makeouts.
Says who? Just because it's an insanely bad idea doesn't mean it won't work. Sympathy sex exists. I know if I were Angus, I would have a horrible time saying no. I can probably work out most of the ideas running through his head:
- Marigold looks so miserable.
- Is it really such a big deal?
- She's a really nice person—I don't think she deserves what she's getting—or not getting.
- She looks hot in that dress, too.
- I just got that long 'test' speech from Faye.
- Doo doo do doo do doo did-doo! Love the one you're with!
- But it would be wrong and I'd wind up hurting her, because I really don't feel that way about her.
- Man, when her bra broke—damn!
- She's breaking my heart. I could…
"Dammit Marigold!"
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I don't think Marigold has anywhere near the personality and mindset to cancel out being used, even if she is aware of it, she's just desperate enough to think it would be better than the current situation. She's already crushing like mad on Angus just because he "paid attention" to her and was nice. Life would still go on after she got her moment of fun, and she'd have to live with the knowledge that it was a gesture done out of pity at best, and possibly watch the same guy pursue an actual relationship with someone else (which Angus is trying to do with Faye, for example, and I anticipate things going extremely pear-shaped once Marigold realizes it.)
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MARIGOLD. This is not going to *work*. You cannot GUILT-TRIP people into makeouts.
Says who? Just because it's an insanely bad idea doesn't mean it won't work. Sympathy sex exists. I know if I were Angus, I would have a horrible time saying no. I can probably work out most of the ideas running through his head
I meant from an ethical standpoint, not a "you can't physically do this". Perhaps the word was "shouldn't".
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Meh I just hope she hooks up with *somebody* so we can at least move on with it. Her levels of awkwardness were pushing the bounds of credulity at the best of times, and these last couple days have gone right past that (and firmly moved me from being OK with Marigold to outright dislike). I'm not even sure she's a good person that deserves any of the sympathy she's getting; all we've really seen her be is whiny, awkward, and selfish, there doesn't seem to be much beyond that. Even her pity friendship with Hanners is all take and no give.
At least she brings us Momo I guess.
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She deserves sympathy just because she's human.
All but one of the times she's fixed Pintsize, she didn't ask for payment.
We've seen courage as one of her virtues, for example when entering the bar.
Many of us have had some degree of being Marigold in our lives. If we're good persons, she can be too.
All that said, I think you're winning the argument so far.
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Some of us are painfully similar to Marigold. :(
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You know, it is somewhat unrealistic to suggest that this girl can't get a date when half the fanbase would probably go out with her in a heartbeat. This girl has other problems besides just being plain, introverted Jane; and a lot of them could be fixed if she'd just put some effort into freshening her personality and her look. She makes a paultry attempt to dress up whenever she's invited out by Angus, which makes me wonder; could it be that Marigold's just lazy? It could well be that she didn't just go after Angus because he was nice to her, but because he was just there and available. She makes no real effort other than when she's prodded to get out of the house, to dress up, to look nice, to shower. I know how that is, maybe it's not that she's inherently lazy but she simply finds it far easier to let life pass her by than to go out and live it. Either way, she still ends up placing the blame for the problems that lifestyle creates in the wrong places. Angus is not totally blameless in that, he's been treating her with kid gloves for as long as they've been together because he thinks she's fragile, and she may well be fragile but people aren't vases, if she breaks he could have just as easily been there to help put her back together. ( Ick, that metaphor's a bit of a stretch. ) But if she wants a friends, a boyfriend and more people who care about her then she actually needs to get out there and make the effort to make friends, and not just expect it all to fall into her lap. She's actually been incredibly lucky that she's happened upon the rest of the QC cast, and she needs to take advantage of those new aquaintances.
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Eh, I could tolerate laziness (although it took/takes a lot of effort to raid :P) and I can at least understand some levels of awkwardness (Marigold takes this to a caricature-like extreme though), its the selfishness that annoys me, which is why today's strip sorta killed the character for me.
When she first fixes Pintsize, she asks for payment. Despite the fact that Momo, her only real friend at the time, personally asked her to do it. This is especially heart wrenching because Momo asked her to fix "her friend", and Marigold was still very cold about it.
The second time (and the only other time I remember) that she fixes Pintsize its a dent. [Sidenote: Dora should have been able to fix this if not for story reasons.] She does do this for free, but only after adding a dent of her own immediately after all but accusing Martin of being an AnthroAbuser.
When she comes back from the bar she outright demands Momo's full attention and goes as far as to try to forcibly grab it, to the point where Momo engages her shock defense (so much for Anthro rights). If there's one thing Marigold should know better than awkwardness, its instances and how with 4-39 other people depending on you, you can't just instantly disengage. Plus, iirc, Momo was actually playing the game as a favor to Marigold, to free her from that exact responsibility so Marigold could go have social fun.
In her "friendship" with Hanners, Hanners has: watched Marigold raid, gone to a con with Marigold, watched Marigold's anime with Marigold, overcome a personal fear of being touched to console Marigold and literally be there to hold her hair back. Marigold, as far as I can recall, has done nothing to reciprocate. Real friendships are two way streets.
In fact, despite hitting basically the social network jackpot, she hasn't done much for anyone but herself.
"No tips for alliance scum." May or may not be real canon, not really selfish just sort of a jerk.
In her "relationship" with Angus, it was all about Marigold. She never once considered Angus' feelings. That may be acceptable as just relationship awkwardness originally, but now he's made it quite clear and has taken great pains to let her down easy, but she is still pursuing. Contemplating emotional-blackmail as a potentially legitimate tactic is pretty despicable. One might argue she's already doing this with the short dress and the self-pity fest.
I mean, forget about struggling to be an interesting or believable character. That is someone I wouldn't want to associate with even if she was well adjusted.
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Eh, I could tolerate laziness (although it took/takes a lot of effort to raid :P) and I can at least understand some levels of awkwardness (Marigold takes this to a caricature-like extreme though), its the selfishness that annoys me, which is why today's strip sorta killed the character for me.
Ha. I live with a girl who could be considered a 'goth Marigold'. She claims that she earns her keep 'doing housework'.. not so you'd notice, actually. :-P
I mean, forget about struggling to be an interesting or believable character. That is someone I wouldn't want to associate with even if she was well adjusted.
I'll agree with that.
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Marigold is an unpleasant character. I understand why some of my friends like her, but she's just not on the list of characters I'd want to hang out with.
I go to cons, right? She reminds me a lot of those ~*~wounded souls~*~ who make a big to-do about how they were teased in middle school and that at conventions, they can finally be who they want to be. And then they complain at the con that no one else is paying them attention because they're not fun people to be around. Nevermind that a vast majority of us other congoers were teased in middle school for being super geeky, too.
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Anyone else notice the crisscross detailing between her boobs is gone? I like the dress w.out it but I wonder if that was intentional or not.
I did, but luckily the crisscross on her boobs is back. I think it really makes the dress. Its looks just too plain without it.
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Heh, I read today's comic and was like, 'Huh. Marigold is not really a nice person,' and decided to check out the forums to see if such a thought was worth posting or if I would get blasted out by Marigold-lovers. I'm really glad to see that's not the case!
I think overall I've generally been sort of meh about Marigold. She, and her story lines, never struck me as too particularly gripping, but this current one really ticks me off. I agree with both TAG and Tuitsuro - there seems to be a combination of selfishness and laziness to Marigold that really makes me dislike her. That's not to say that one day I might like her, but she needs to have a huge shift in her attitude and realize that to live life, one must actually go out and live it. I understand social-ineptness, but there definitely seems more to it (the selfishness and laziness that have been mentioned).
In fact, despite hitting basically the social network jackpot, she hasn't done much for anyone but herself.
Incidentally, Marigold stated in the comic that what she wanted was for someone to be nice and pay attention to her. She apparently hasn't made the connection that if she wants that, she should also be nice and pay attention. (And that paying attention part also means listening and acting accordingly when someone says they're not interested.) Until Marigold can learn to behave the way she wants someone to behave around her, it's gonna be a while before she gets that.
Angus is not totally blameless in that, he's been treating her with kid gloves for as long as they've been together because he thinks she's fragile
Both Dora and Faye treat her as fragile too, at least in regards to Sven. It's like they've all decided Marigold simply can't handle things in life, and so they all have to just take care of her (enabling her laziness?) To be fair, she was totally over her head, apparently, with Sven, but if someone swoops in to save her, she'll never learn (and never have to learn) to fend for herself with social relationships.
In her "relationship" with Angus, it was all about Marigold. She never once considered Angus' feelings. That may be acceptable as just relationship awkwardness originally, but now he's made it quite clear and has taken great pains to let her down easy, but she is still pursuing.
Couple things here - generally speaking, guys who continue to pursue relationships with girls even after being told the girl was not interested are often treated with disdain. I see no reason why Marigold shouldn't be viewed in the same light. Also, have people here heard of the "Nice Guy" - the one who does all he can to be a friend with a girl and then is upset when the girl won't date him/put out for him? Seems to me that Marigold is treading a line here on being a "Nice Girl", I guess. Without considering how Angus may be feeling about what she's asking him, she keeps pushing it, despite already being told he wasn't into that.
I mean, forget about struggling to be an interesting or believable character. That is someone I wouldn't want to associate with even if she was well adjusted.
I agree with you, 100%.
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We can safely draw a distinction between "being teased" and having bloody frog parts stuffed down your shirt.
TAG, Marigold did lend Hanners her anime and did invite her over for a movie, even if it took Momo's translator unit to figure out that it was an invitation. You're still winning the argument.
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TAG, Marigold did lend Hanners her anime and did invite her over for a movie, even if it took Momo's translator unit to figure out that it was an invitation.
True, but its still Hanners taking an interest / participating in Marigold things with Marigold, rather than Marigold making a real effort to do something with Hanners that Hanners likes. It is lucky for Marigold that Hanners at least seems to have a casual interest in those things, but it's still Marigold expecting Hanners to... hrm hard to describe... "come to her" I guess.
On the other hand, in just 2 random insomniac strips, Dora and Hanners look much more like real friends just from doing laundry and baking a cake together. Hannelore at least seemed to be very pleased with carrot cake, much more so than Dora.
Edit: To be fair, if Marigold was just a bad-to-mediocre friend I could probably tolerate it (for now). After all, she just came from only having one robot friend. However, when piled on with the treatment of that friend (Momo) and Angus, she just becomes someone who I wouldn't like. Since I don't like her, it becomes harder to excuse her whining and constant self-pity, and harder to find excuses for her increasingly more bizarre bouts of awkwardness, which then feeds into my dislike of the character. The only thing I really like about Marigold is that she serves as a great springboard to show how great Momo, Hanners, and Angus are... and maybe that's her purpose in QC.
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
More like 50th time(for me anyway), but I agree she needs to get to that moment. Angus is not being a very good friend for denying her that moment IMO.
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Uhhh, he is being a good friend precisely for being honest with her on this one. Besides, it's not Angus' responsability to solve Marigold's issues; it would not only be an insanely bad idea as far as her overcoming her whole "woe is me" phase, but it would most likely result in endless awkwardness and guilt on both sides, costing them their friendship. He's already stated it isn't something he wants, he isn't her sex toy. Plus, Angus can probably forget the thing with Faye if he let himself be guilt-tripped into this by Marigold...which is something I think he knows as well.
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NeverQuiteGoth - are you saying Angus is a bad friend to Marigold because he won't have sex with her? If that is what you are saying, are you being completely serious about that??
If so, I'm totally with Ghanima Atreides: Angus is in no way responsible for solving Marigold's issues - that's Marigold's responsibility.
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Mind you, I don't think Marigold is unsalvagable. It was the same way with Hannelore, Marigold has a lack of experience with other people so how she comes off is rude and awkward; she may not entirely mean to be. It's just something she needs to work on. Hannelore is an excellent example of a person who's worked on how she interacts with people and pushed her own limits in order to do so. Also, you guys are right in saying that Angus is not responsible for solving Marigold's problems. But he also shouldn't be an enabler for those problems.
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Yeah, I'm with you, Marigold has some promise, should she choose to act on it. :-) Right now, at least, she seems pretty content to not thought.
I do agree with you that Angus is enabling Marigold, but I also think that Dora and Faye are too. And as long as that keeps happening, Marigold will continue to have no desire to become better, because why would she? (Since she's shown no drive to do so by now, as long as she keeps being "taken care of", there's pretty much no motivator for her too. That's why I think it's really good that Angus isn't interested in her - maybe she'll learn the lesson that these things won't always just fall in her lap, and if she wants something, she also needs to be proactive about it.)
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
More like 50th time(for me anyway), but I agree she needs to get to that moment. Angus is not being a very good friend for denying her that moment IMO.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That's the second stupidest thing I've ever seen on these forums.
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Well, I can agree, to a degree, that there may be some benefit in Marigold getting over the novelty of sex, and I can see that Angus is the most non-threatening male in her life right now, but for most people, there's a strong emotional connection that comes with sex, especially the first time. Some people deal with it better than others. Marigold strikes me as the kind of person who would *not* deal with it so well. For this reason, it could seriously screw up their friendship if Angus does give in to Marigold's desire just for the sake of giving her her first time.
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You know what? I know he's been warned away for her, but fuck that. Mari needs Sven. Bang her, get it over with, and face the general wrath of Dora/Faye.
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
WHAT THE ... ??!?!?
I cant believe there are actually people out there who literally believe in "you just need a good fuck".
Wouldn't it be funny if Angus' dad was a politician who utilized the... erm, services... of one Ms. Veronica Vance, which caused him to become an ex-politician?
Um, I dont think that still can happen in the 21. century.
Not in europe and the USA, at least.
Losing your girlfriend / wife, ok. But not losing your political career. Well ok, at least as long as you're right wing politican. Left wing politicans often have something left thats called a conscience, and that will be a problem in such cases.
I would've liked Marigold to woman up and ask him why she's SO great. She hasn't done anything particularly awesome. I could count on both hands why she's kind of a bother and on one hand why she's awesome. I know she's a fairly recent character, but c'mon Angus. Give us a little insight. Maybe he's just laying it on thick to make her feel better.
Err lol.
She's so great because she's a freaking attractive young female gamer.
Red brilliants are much more valueable than other kinds of diamonds, despite looking like a rubin, because they are so freaking rare.
So are skilled and dedicated gamers who are (a) attractive (b) young and (c) female.
That doesnt mean I'm her fan, though. I'm still with the Hanners crowd.
She deserves sympathy just because she's human.
So was Hitler, though.
And she did receive payment for repairing Pintsize; Hanners cleaned her appartment (and it was a LOT of work, too).
You know, it is somewhat unrealistic to suggest that this girl can't get a date when half the fanbase would probably go out with her in a heartbeat.
Meh. She's not real. Even if that is sometimes hard to remember.
"No tips for alliance scum." May or may not be real canon, not really selfish just sort of a jerk.
I think the main issue is really that Marigold lacks social experience. As a result, she's often not aware that its even possible to ever think of others. Or in other words, I wouldnt give her up just yet. She might learn from the example of others.
True, but its still Hanners taking an interest / participating in Marigold things with Marigold, rather than Marigold making a real effort to do something with Hanners that Hanners likes.
Hanners likes cleaning, counting things, and now Anime. So what options does Marigold have, actually, to do something with Hanners that Hanners likes ?
What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
More like 50th time(for me anyway), but I agree she needs to get to that moment. Angus is not being a very good friend for denying her that moment IMO.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That's the second stupidest thing I've ever seen on these forums.
Thank you for giving me back a little bit of my belief in mankind.
You know what? I know he's been warned away for her, but fuck that. Mari needs Sven. Bang her, get it over with, and face the general wrath of Dora/Faye.
You already wrote that before and it was already supremely stupid the first time. Posting it again wont change that.
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More like 50th time(for me anyway), but I agree she needs to get to that moment. Angus is not being a very good friend for denying her that moment IMO.
You could not be more wrong. But given your past thoughts in the relationship thread, this is not surprising, I guess.
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We've seen courage as one of her virtues, for example when entering the bar.
Courage is not a virtue in itself. It is morally neutral, empowering people to do good or evil.
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Thank you for giving me back a little bit of my belief in mankind.
Thank you for taking away a little more of mine. :-(
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Sven would never be attracted to Marigold. She's not even a blip on his radar (which may not even be functioning anymore.)
She just doesn't have anything that would pique Sven's interest.
Unless Faye and Dora acted like they would lose their shit if he went out with her, oh, wait.
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She deserves sympathy just because she's human.
So was Hitler, though.
...and with that, this thread has officially been Godwin'd.
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She reminds me a lot of those ~*~wounded souls~*~ who make a big to-do about how they were teased in middle school
What you improperly call "teasing" has a name. It's "harrassment." I lived it in middle school, and I can tell you it still plays a key role in my issues with interacting with people, my low self-confidence and my compulsive self-destructive tendencies.
What do you think it does to someone to go to school every weekday with in mind this only question "what will they do to me today?" What do you think it does to someone to be deprived from social interaction, to be considered an acceptable target by every fucking stupid "disturbed teenager" who needs a victim to get relief their "existential problems" (or whatever they call it), to have no occasion to take a single breath, to be in fear every fucking moment?
YOU FUCKING INSENSITIVE CLOD!
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"No tips for alliance scum." May or may not be real canon, not really selfish just sort of a jerk.
I think the main issue is really that Marigold lacks social experience. As a result, she's often not aware that its even possible to ever think of others. Or in other words, I wouldnt give her up just yet. She might learn from the example of others.
So she's a sociopath or severely autistic? I guess I could see that :P
I mean it's not like she grew up on a space station, but she's sure making the one who did look well grounded. The level of social interaction needed to successfully claim delivery pizza and make 20 seconds of small talk about your favorite hobby is so incredibly low.
But I generally excuse this scene as a one-off scene for a joke rather than canon.
True, but its still Hanners taking an interest / participating in Marigold things with Marigold, rather than Marigold making a real effort to do something with Hanners that Hanners likes.
Hanners likes cleaning, counting things, and now Anime. So what options does Marigold have, actually, to do something with Hanners that Hanners likes ?
Well let's see, Hanners like making dolls/crafts, music, wine (and other booze), baking, robots, the zoo, etc., but hey I'm not the one trying to be her friend. Has Marigold even asked? I don't think we've seen a single non-Marigold centric conversation between them. Hell, I mean Hanners grew up on a space station, what kind of proper anime geek isn't geeking out over that?
But other than getting dragged to a couple bars and now this party, Marigold hasn't done anything with Hanners that Marigold wouldn't have otherwise been doing anyway.
I'm sure Marigold will have some "redemption" story, but at this point I really don't care if she's redeemed. I think we've had more genuinely altruistic scenes with Pintsize, and when you're comparing a character's character to Pintsize's, it is never a good sign.
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*glances around* I can either do my usual thing and make about 20 responses... or I can keep my mouth shut. I think I'll keep my mouth shut. This particular thread of discussion has been Godwined anyway.
...*cough*
So is it just me, or did Angus and Marigold just pass by where Marten's dad proposed to his boyfriend (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1517)?
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I would've liked Marigold to woman up and ask him why she's SO great. She hasn't done anything particularly awesome. I could count on both hands why she's kind of a bother and on one hand why she's awesome. I know she's a fairly recent character, but c'mon Angus. Give us a little insight. Maybe he's just laying it on thick to make her feel better.
Err lol.
She's so great because she's a freaking attractive young female gamer.
Red brilliants are much more valueable than other kinds of diamonds, despite looking like a rubin, because they are so freaking rare.
So are skilled and dedicated gamers who are (a) attractive (b) young and (c) female.
That doesnt mean I'm her fan, though. I'm still with the Hanners crowd.
First of all, attractive girl gamers aren't nearly as rare as you think. ; )
Secondly, diamonds(i.e. rare things) are only 'valuable' because certain people put value on them. Like you for instance. You think attractive gamer girls are valuable. The rich guys that come into my coffee shop would rather have a tall, vapid blonde. So, it's all in the eye of the beholder really.
The point I was trying to make is WHY is she such a great person to Angus? His words fall flat if he can't back them up with more than..."Uh...you're a great looking gamer girl!", you know?
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Altruistic Pintsize (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=430).
By the time that happened, we'd seen a lot more Pintsize strips than we've seen Marigold strips.
Hey, she provided habitat and food for a rat, doesn't that count for something? :-)
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The question (one I've asked myself many times) is whether SOMETHING, ANYTHING, is better than nothing. Thirty years of being alone has made me wonder.
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Some of us are painfully similar to Marigold. :(
Very, VERY painfully similar.
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I'll put myself in the "feeling sympathy for Marigold" crowd; but I have to agree that her lack of social development and cripplingly-low self-esteem are causing her to act like a jackass at this particular moment.
However, what Marigold needs is NOT a let's-find-out-what-all-the-fuss-is-about casual banging. There may be a place for that, but Marigold-land is not that place. You need a certain amount of personal strength and centered-ness to engage in intimacy (any type of intimacy, physical or emotional) in a healthy way, and Marigold is not there yet.
The other thing that strikes me about this storyline is that, when Angus was first introduced, I thought he was a skeevy stalker who deserved at minimum a pointed telling-off followed by permanent exile from the coffeeshop. Since then, he's improved. A lot. He's handling this current situation with maturity and sensitivity, and I'm now kind of hoping that he passes the exam.
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...and I'm now kind of hoping that he passes the exam.
...Or at least makes it to the swimsuit competition.
Wait, what?
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...and I'm now kind of hoping that he passes the exam.
...Or at least makes it to the swimsuit competition.
Wait, what?
The Faye Final.
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She reminds me a lot of those ~*~wounded souls~*~ who make a big to-do about how they were teased in middle school
What you improperly call "teasing" has a name. It's "harrassment."
I do not mean in any way to lessen your experiences in middle school with my statement - I definitely agree that pre-teens and teens often go much to far, and that teasing quickly turns into harassment. However, the line between teasing and harassment differs for people (unless the harassment is pretty blatant). The way I read laizeohbeets's statement concerning the "wounded souls" was that these particular people did not go through anything that most people would view as much beyond teasing. Such 'souls' are typically people who are not necessarily nice, or are whiney, unpleasant people to begin with - even people who don't tease may lose their patience with such 'souls'. And these 'souls' like to blow things out of proportion, hopefully to get sympathy. It's something akin to the bored-white-suburbs-kid who likes to play emo. Anyway, that's how I read the comment, not as an attack on those genuinely teased-leading-to-harassment.
Now that I've typed that all out, I really do begin to wonder about Marigold's experiences. So whee, archive binge to find out. We learn she was at a pool party (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1615) in eighth grade. This tells us that either someone invited her with the intent of either niceness or meanness. She was hit in the face with a pool noodle, but that may or may not have been on purpose, we don't know for sure. Angus tells us about college where people speculated (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1534), but no one particularly interacted with her. Then again, Angus tells Faye (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1617) that people made fun of her through school, but he has to be referring to college, since that's apparently it. However, it's unclear if "making fun of her" means to her face or behind her back (in other words, how aware was Marigold of the behavior - was she so into the anime/gaming stuff that she just ignored it or did she get into anime/gaming as a way to ignore it?) Finally, the frog (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1621) gets referred too - it was a dissected frog, so that means it wasn't bloody at least. It's unclear if this happened in high school or college, and it is referred to as being mean, but hey, Marten once let a girl know he liked her by putting a frog (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=785) down her shirt (ok, he was in 3rd grade.)
So, I'm not sure. What we don't know yet is Marigold's past behavior. Was her initial problem simply shyness, and teased for that, but then it turned cruel after the pool party incident, culminating in the dissected frog incident, which is why she buried herself in anime/gaming? Has she always been into anime/gaming and teased because of it (and then the teasing turned into harassment). I could see Marigold's impression of the pool incident being skewed (could have easily been an accident) but the frog thing seems pretty obvious. We do know that at least by college Marigold is a shut-in. I'm not sure if she's always been a shut-in (shy in general) or if she gradually grew to that state. I do believe that her social-ineptness draws from shutting herself in, not just from being shy. Then again, she's shown herself to be fine around one or two people - it seems to be the "going out into the real world" thing that stresses her the most.
Sorry, rambling.
My archive binge also brought about this:
Incidentally, as far as Angus being a good friend to Marigold and trying to get her to overcome her social-ineptness, he apparently has tried to invite (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1429) her out before - she always turns him down. As far as I can tell, Angus has done what should be expected of him. Marigold has to make the decision herself. Of course she won't (until Momo pushes her) because she "doesn't know how to talk to people (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1460)". Right after she holds a conversation with Marten. Of course, once out, she does manage to wear the most revealing outfit of the bunch, despite calling herself a "fat ol' nerd (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1472)". So it does seem to be that she's fine around one or two people, around her place, but going out is terrifying. Hm. (Although, according to her she is trying (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1534) to be less of a shut in, but I think that was an Angus specific thing.)[/url]
As far as her own behavior towards others goes, she's already missed one epiphany (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1475). She seems to have a skewed sense of what will make her liked by others. She will stoop to anything to be liked (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1502), even by the online nerd boys, but leaves and sits by herself (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1616) from conversations that uninterest her, rather than trying to keep up, or ask questions, or bring up a new topic. It's the whole 'to have a friend, you must also be a friend' thing - Marigold seems to try in the smallest way possible, and it sort of feels like Angus, and Dora, and even Faye a little, run with that. Granted, they're being friendly, but I wonder if they will ever tire of doing the bulk of friendly stuff and cooing over Marigold's awkwardness, or if it'll eventually get tiresome to them and they'll gradually want to hang out with her less.
Finally:
She's so great because she's a freaking attractive young female gamer.
As has been said, attractive young female gamers are actually not quite that rare. Also, if her only qualities are her looks, age, gender and one specific thing she's into, that's not a lot to go off of on "greatness". Two of those she'll lose, one is just her, and gaming is just something she does. She really hasn't done much since we've seen her, other than act a lot awkward, a little rude, a bit demanding, and slightly klutzy. She apparently has some odor to her (though she seems to be learning that people appreciate showers), she's chubby at the nicest (and fat according to herself), and can't hold a conversation half the time she's around someone. Her skin's bad (though she's making the effort!), she's terribly messy (though again, seems to be making the effort), and she's prone to killing conversation. Most of the characters, when with her, talk for her, or assume she can't handle whatever. She doesn't really seem to listen when told someone's just not that into her. There is a lot about her that a lot of people would find pretty annoying, not particularly great. I think the social circle she's been lucky enough to have been dropped in on has been pretty awesome and understanding to her so far (and enabling too, but eh), but I wonder how long her welcome will last as long as she continues to behave as she does. I'm waiting to see if she grows like Hanners (and Faye too), or if she continues to sit stagnant, perfectly willing to be 'taken care of', rather than stepping out and initiating things on her own.
Sorry, that was a long ramble, but yeah, if personality has nothing to do with being great, I think a vital component of the equation is missing.
I too would like to know if Angus finds anything particularly awesome about her, or if he was simply saying that to make her feel better. If he were put on the spot, what would he say?
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What Mari needs is someone to screw her brains out, just so she can get that "So......that's sex. OK, not bad, now let's see what actual people are out there" moment that everyone gets after their first time goes down.
More like 50th time(for me anyway), but I agree she needs to get to that moment. Angus is not being a very good friend for denying her that moment IMO.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That's the second stupidest thing I've ever seen on these forums.
I assume the quote from the "Duly Noted" strip in the "Welcome to the QC Discussion Forum" thread is the most stupid?
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Wouldn't it be funny if Angus' dad was a politician who utilized the... erm, services... of one Ms. Veronica Vance, which caused him to become an ex-politician?
Um, I dont think that still can happen in the 21. century.
Not in europe and the USA, at least.
Losing your girlfriend / wife, ok. But not losing your political career. Well ok, at least as long as you're right wing politician. Left wing politicians often have something left that's called a conscience, and that will be a problem in such cases.
(Cough) GARYHART (Cough) BILLCLINTON (Coughcoughcough) JOHNEDWARDS (COUGH)
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The other thing that strikes me about this storyline is that, when Angus was first introduced, I thought he was a skeevy stalker who deserved at minimum a pointed telling-off followed by permanent exile from the coffeeshop. Since then, he's improved. A lot. He's handling this current situation with maturity and sensitivity, and I'm now kind of hoping that he passes the exam.
Was he a stalkerish? Other than once running into Faye at a bar (probably coincidence, I mean Faye and Sven bumped into each other in more than one bar), the only time he encountered Faye was in the coffee shop. And for the most part he would just have some fun verbal sparring and leave. Basically paying for the atmosphere that made CoD famous. I feel like we the readers, just like Faye, gradually got to actually see more and more of him, such that rather than Angus really improving, we saw more of the real non-debating Angus (i.e. the reader catches up to Angus rather than Angus progressing).
Really I think Angus is one of the better characters in the strip <.< He, Hanners, and (although I don't like him much) Sven are by far the most interesting characters at the moment.
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She reminds me a lot of those ~*~wounded souls~*~ who make a big to-do about how they were teased in middle school
What you improperly call "teasing" has a name. It's "harrassment."
I do not mean in any way to lessen your experiences in middle school with my statement - I definitely agree that pre-teens and teens often go much to far, and that teasing quickly turns into harassment. However, the line between teasing and harassment differs for people (unless the harassment is pretty blatant). The way I read laizeohbeets's statement concerning the "wounded souls" was that these particular people did not go through anything that most people would view as much beyond teasing. Such 'souls' are typically people who are not necessarily nice, or are whiney, unpleasant people to begin with - even people who don't tease may lose their patience with such 'souls'. And these 'souls' like to blow things out of proportion, hopefully to get sympathy. It's something akin to the bored-white-suburbs-kid who likes to play emo. Anyway, that's how I read the comment, not as an attack on those genuinely teased-leading-to-harassment.
This, exactly. I had some un-fun experiences in middle school, so I'm not about to trivialize actual, horrible experiences, but I've known people who didn't have it any worse than I did and still behaved that way.
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(Cough) GARYHART (Cough) BILLCLINTON (Coughcoughcough) JOHNEDWARDS (COUGH)
You okay? You should get that cough checked out. :-P
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Deep down, she's a real sweetheart (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=440).
Maybe Angus admires her dedication, and presumably except for the messy room she's been a responsible apartmentmate.
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Deep down, she's a real sweetheart (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=440).
Maybe Angus admires her dedication, and presumably except for the messy room she's been a responsible apartmentmate.
But that leads right back into "she could use a good fuck/spelunking". There be dragons that way. Though she does have pocky, which might be the "delicious chocolate".
I'd add that she does seem to be very good with technical things. Maybe she and Hanners could open an AI repair shop, with Hanners providing the logic. "We will talk down that Deathbot 9000 in 10 minutes or your money back!"
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Dammit people "Just go out and bang some dude (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=809)" is not a good idea! :P
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Dammit people "Just go out and bang some dude (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=809)" is not a good idea! :P
You have done well, young Padawan. :mrgreen:
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I'm really hoping Tai will be there now. :evil:
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Thank you for giving me back a little bit of my belief in mankind.
Thank you for taking away a little more of mine. :-(
Hu ? Why ?
She deserves sympathy just because she's human.
So was Hitler, though.
...and with that, this thread has officially been Godwin'd.
Only thing that happends officially is another proof somebody doesnt know what Godwins law is.
Check it out on Wikipedia, its described nicely there (well, at least last time I've checked).
*glances around* I can either do my usual thing and make about 20 responses... or I can keep my mouth shut. I think I'll keep my mouth shut. This particular thread of discussion has been Godwined anyway.
Wikipedia. NOW.
I would've liked Marigold to woman up and ask him why she's SO great. She hasn't done anything particularly awesome. I could count on both hands why she's kind of a bother and on one hand why she's awesome. I know she's a fairly recent character, but c'mon Angus. Give us a little insight. Maybe he's just laying it on thick to make her feel better.
Err lol.
She's so great because she's a freaking attractive young female gamer.
Red brilliants are much more valueable than other kinds of diamonds, despite looking like a rubin, because they are so freaking rare.
So are skilled and dedicated gamers who are (a) attractive (b) young and (c) female.
That doesnt mean I'm her fan, though. I'm still with the Hanners crowd.
First of all, attractive girl gamers aren't nearly as rare as you think. ; )
Secondly, diamonds(i.e. rare things) are only 'valuable' because certain people put value on them. Like you for instance. You think attractive gamer girls are valuable. The rich guys that come into my coffee shop would rather have a tall, vapid blonde. So, it's all in the eye of the beholder really.
The point I was trying to make is WHY is she such a great person to Angus? His words fall flat if he can't back them up with more than..."Uh...you're a great looking gamer girl!", you know?
As I wrote in the posting you quoted, I'm not a Marigold fan, I'm a Hanners fan. And Hanners has nothing to do with the women I'm attracted to in reallife. First of all, because I never met anyone remotely like Hanners. Dunno how I would react to a reallife Hanners.
Err, I know many attractive young women who GAME but none of them do it in a degree like Marigold. Most women I met in MMOs had been 30+. I dont play WoW though, maybe its different there.
I'm pretty sure you wanted to write brilliants, not diamonds, there. For diamonds are very very useful, so much that one produces them artificially now.
Wouldn't it be funny if Angus' dad was a politician who utilized the... erm, services... of one Ms. Veronica Vance, which caused him to become an ex-politician?
Um, I dont think that still can happen in the 21. century.
Not in europe and the USA, at least.
Losing your girlfriend / wife, ok. But not losing your political career. Well ok, at least as long as you're right wing politician. Left wing politicians often have something left that's called a conscience, and that will be a problem in such cases.
(Cough) GARYHART (Cough) BILLCLINTON (Coughcoughcough) JOHNEDWARDS (COUGH)
Hmm.
I dont know Gary Hart nor John Edwards, but Bill Clinton was exactly the guy I was thinking off when writing that comment ? Only problems he got was because he didnt wanted to discuss his private life with the public so he lied about that in court. Personally I think that should be allowed, or even better this kind of question should be disallowed in court.
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From the looks of Jeph's twitter and the Ustream feed, it seems that everyone in the QC Universe is going to turn up at Faye's party.
This could be the beginning of a wild story arc, or the set up for the apocalyptic disaster that finally ends QC.
I wonder if it will be a natural disaster that takes out Northampton, or the revolution will come and Faye and Dora will be the first against the wall, or maybe it's Zombies.
I'm hoping for Zombies!
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TAG, Marigold did lend Hanners her anime and did invite her over for a movie, even if it took Momo's translator unit to figure out that it was an invitation.
True, but its still Hanners taking an interest / participating in Marigold things with Marigold, rather than Marigold making a real effort to do something with Hanners that Hanners likes.
That's a pretty selective way to remember it (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1420). From where I'm standing, Marigold was trying to be altruistic in lending her the entire series of her manga. I'm not much of a manga collector, but if anyone asked to borrow $200 or up in reading material of any stripe from my personal collection, I'm not sure I'd let them do it. Considering this happened not too long after Hanners freaked out on her, something she opted not to hold a grudge over, I'd say she's more than capable of being a nice person. She's just only now discovering that her hopes and desires involve other people on an emotional level, and this kind of revelation invariably leads to one acting selfish and not realizing it. You have to crawl before you walk, and you have to walk before you help old ladies cross the street.
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[...] She's just only now discovering that her hopes and desires involve other people on an emotional level, and this kind of revelation invariably leads to one acting selfish and not realizing it. You have to crawl before you walk, and you have to walk before you help old ladies cross the street.
Very nicely said. :-)
... but where is the Comic ? :-(
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Lots of people take more drawing - see Jeph's twitter.
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Gary Hart was a Democratic Senator from Colorado (IIRC) who by all rights should have been their '88 nominee. Then the pictures of him with a bimbette on his lap on a rented yacht surfaced.
John Edwards - come ON man, you haven't been following the news at all? Edwards not only had a mistress on the side, but he got her preggers AND tried to convince her to have an abortion - even after he knew his wife had cancer!
Philandering idiots are on both sides of aisle, mi amigo.
As for today's comic: I got the double-entendre of Penelope's. Heh. "Chaucerian".
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:? Marten wears his hoodie at home? Weird.
Also, good that Wil is here, it annihilates the risk of Marigold feeling overdressed. :lol:
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Wait... shouldn't there have been a slightly awkward moment there with Pen and Angus?
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About time! I needed my fix before I left for work!
*inhales strongly* AAAAAaaaaahhhhhHHHHH.....
You always have the best product, Jeph.
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Wait... shouldn't there have been a slightly awkward moment there with Pen and Angus?
I was asking myself the same question, but I was too busy looking for the relevant comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1590) to post about it.
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Just as well Marigold went back to change that bra, given the build-up she has apparently been given by Dora.
Also, has Jeph been listening to Brimful of Asha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimful_of_Asha)? (video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDe6regyJnU))
"Everybody needs a bosom for a pillow,
everybody needs a bosom..."
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That's the second stupidest thing I've ever seen on these forums.
Really, REALLY hoping that the most stupid thing wasn't something I wrote.
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John Edwards - come ON man, you haven't been following the news at all? Edwards not only had a mistress on the side, but he got her preggers AND tried to convince her to have an abortion - even after he knew his wife had cancer!
I am not living in the USA and no, I dont think that story got much press over here.
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Homeric ... Chaucerian ... what would Dolly Parton be, "Tolstoyish"?
(Tolstoian? Tolstoyal? Tolstoic? Tolstoyvey?)
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Dickensian. As in "A Tale of Two Titties".
Binary - lowering the tone since before you were born, sonny.
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At least they're not Joycian.
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And then there are the Tolkienesque (fantasy not everyone can get into).
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And then there are the Tolkienesque (fantasy not everyone can get into).
Epic. :laugh: You win an Internet.
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The OED Compact Edition bosom. In two volumes and comes with a magnifying glass. Oh... That's me, not Marigold... :lol:
I think the extra work of drawing the large cast of today's strip, all for a big-boob joke, definitely counts as "doing it for the art".
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I think I just gave myself nightmares by thinking of kafkaesque tits.
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The OED Compact Edition bosom. In two volumes and comes with a magnifying glass. Oh... That's me, not Marigold... :lol:
Huh. I don't know about these guys, but I love those compact editions. Whenever I get near one I'm always pulling out the little draw and having a nice peruse.
All the fun of the big ones but in a more portable, and therefore more interesting, form.
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I think I just gave myself nightmares by thinking of kafkaesque tits.
Given you avatar, I'd have expected something about lovecraftian tits.
Shit, I just gave myself nightmares as well.
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I think I just gave myself nightmares by thinking of kafkaesque tits.
Given you avatar, I'd have expected something about lovecraftian tits.
Shit, I just gave myself nightmares as well.
these are the tits that lay waiting in the darkness beyond the void, right?
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I think I just gave myself nightmares by thinking of kafkaesque tits.
To be honest, I find the idea of joycian ones a lot more terrifying.
Dont...want...to...think...about...that...
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I'm pretty sure you wanted to write brilliants, not diamonds, there. For diamonds are very very useful, so much that one produces them artificially now.
Nope, I meant diamonds. ;) http://dashes.com/anil/2003/01/diamonds-are-fo.html (http://dashes.com/anil/2003/01/diamonds-are-fo.html)
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John Edwards - come ON man, you haven't been following the news at all? Edwards not only had a mistress on the side, but he got her preggers AND tried to convince her to have an abortion - even after he knew his wife had cancer!
I am not living in the USA and no, I dont think that story got much press over here.
Ah. This makes sense.
Let's just say that not all the bad politicians are right-wing over here. "Good" and "Bad" are relative terms that are completely removed from political affiliation.
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See how I just glossed right over the discussion of Homer vs. Chaucer? That's what happens when you've been married 16 years to a lovely woman of Virgilian quality. ;)
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Virgil was a hack - go with Ovid
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One thing; those of you with mad archive skillz (yes, with a z) - is six the largest number of fully detailed figures Jeph's had in one panel since the new style took over?
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There were way more people in the sledding comics, but the majority of them weren't main cast.
Are you supposed to pluralize 'bosom', Wil?
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I think bosom is the plural. Only... of what? A Bos? Are there two bos in a bosom?
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She deserves sympathy just because she's human.
So was Hitler, though.
...and with that, this thread has officially been Godwin'd.
Only thing that happened officially is another proof somebody doesnt know what Godwins law is.
Check it out on Wikipedia, its described nicely there (well, at least last time I've checked).
*glances around* I can either do my usual thing and make about 20 responses... or I can keep my mouth shut. I think I'll keep my mouth shut. This particular thread of discussion has been Godwined anyway.
Wikipedia. NOW.
It's always funny when someone says that someone else doesn't know something, but in doing so proves their own lack of knowledge. Since you didn't bother to state the definition, I will; Godwin's law is that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." (I never have seen an official quote before, so I guess something useful came of you.) And that is exactly what happened, the idea Marigold deserving sympathy due to being human led to her humanity being compared to Hitler's. By you.
I'm just going to glide past comments from you from now on, because nearly every time I read them the palm of my hand makes contact with my forehead. Of course, I swore off reading them a couple weeks ago too and look how that turned out.
One thing; those of you with mad archive skillz (yes, with a z) - is six the largest number of fully detailed figures Jeph's had in one panel since the new style took over?
If by fully detailed you mean faces 'n stuff, then here, from the beer sledding night. I remember that this took a really long time too. I count seven (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1389). The other possibility is the coffee shop after the newspaper article on it.
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I think bosom is the plural. Only... of what? A Bos? Are there two bos in a bosom?
It's a collective noun and should therefore take the singular even when there are multiple breasts contained within. The only way to have multiple bosoms is to be multiple people.
Also @LTK and westrim; whilst I remember the sledding comics, they aren't exactly what I was thinking of when I said the new style...
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I have a feeling that Dora's words to Tai before Marigold arrived at the party were something like "OK, you're totally gonna wanna bury your face in Marigold's boobs, but don't do it! She's shy and may freak out." I know, I know, unnecessary conjecture is unnecessary. >_>
It's really nice to see Wil, since he pops up so rarely these days, and I like that Jeph is doing a better job of distinguishing him from Angus. I mean, Wil's already been shown as taller and with a different shaped nose, but with the addition of facial hair and the now different hair color, it helps a lot. Angus could have been wearing glasses in that scene and I still would have had no trouble telling them apart.
Interesting that so many folks have been invited to this. It'll be fun to see everyone interacting (assuming Jeph is willing to torture himself for several nights filling panels with five or more characters), but within the context of the strip, it seems like Faye went a little overboard with the "This totally isn't a date with Angus so behold as I bury myself in enough friends so as to guarantee that nothing too intimate or personal happens" thing. No doubt epic wackiness will occur.
Wonder if they duct-taped Pintsize in a closet somewhere so that he won't "assist" Winslow . . .
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Also @LTK and westrim; whilst I remember the sledding comics, they aren't exactly what I was thinking of when I said the new style...
Oh, new style. Sorry, here you go; six (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1552). Well, maybe five and a half.
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I think bosom is the plural. Only... of what? A Bos? Are there two bos in a bosom?
It's a collective noun and should therefore take the singular even when there are multiple breasts contained within. The only way to have multiple bosoms is to be multiple people.
Or be one of the Martian hookers from Total Recall.
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Interesting that so many folks have been invited to this. It'll be fun to see everyone interacting (assuming Jeph is willing to torture himself for several nights filling panels with five or more characters), but within the context of the strip, it seems like Faye went a little overboard with the "This totally isn't a date with Angus so behold as I bury myself in enough friends so as to guarantee that nothing too intimate or personal happens" thing. No doubt epic wackiness will occur.
Not bad for a spur of the moment gathering, but it has been my experience that intimacy may happen regardless of the number of people at the gathering and the possibility of getting away with it increases with the number of people ("I thought he was talking to wil over there, no wait, she was fending off Tai near the kitchen, or did one of them head off to the loo?").
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So is it really just that simple? Mari wants attention, and people to be nice to her, she just needs to start wearing more low-cut stuff?
YES, I know it'll be the wrong kind of attention, but still, it's hard to be an introvert with everyone eyeing your rack.
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I'm kind of wondering where Steve is.
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Oh he's probably there, (and Cosette's there too) there just wasn't enough room in the frame for anybody who didn't have a line.
And I think the hupe party strategy is a good idea if Faye wants to make a move on Angus, there's a lot less pressure and awkwardness than if it were just the two of them, and it will be easier to slip out discreetly without anyone noticing if there are more people.
Now all they have to do is distract Marigold, but between Hannelore counting everything and Tai trying to cuddle her all night, that shouldn't be too difficult.
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I'm kind of wondering where Steve is.
i hope he brings his girlfriend along, i would very much like to actually see a qc cast judo pileup instead of reading about it
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Honestly Marigold is her own worst enemy.
On the surface, she's pretty similar to me. Young and attractive gamer. Okay fine, she's heavier than me, but I have smaller boobs. And yet, unlike Marigold, I can pick out damn near any non-mated gynephile that I want, and fuck them by before the day is done. Marigold and I are more or less the single most desirable class of women.
So what is Marigold's excuse? That she was bullied in high school? I was too. Worst thing that ever happened to me in school was some bullies who didn't like me got the idea to tell a teacher that I had threatened to bring a gun to school so I'd get expelled. Nearly got me put in jail until one of them admitted they made it up when I was in court. Yeah that is AT LEAST as bad as getting a frog dropped down your shirt.
But I got over it. Marigold needs to get over it too. You don't get anything you want in life unless you grow some metaphorical balls, and stop being so whiny. I mean hell, it's not like half the cast of QC doesn't want to fuck her, but she's too busy stuck up in her own little world to notice. She needs to quit being so lazy, quit the victim complex, and make things happen with all the power that comes from being an attractive female gamer. She should stop being a manipulative passive-aggressive bitch towards Angus, and start being a plain old manipulative aggressive bitch towards anyone she wants to be. Lord knows she could have damn near anything she wanted if she actually tried.
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Holy reunion comic, Batman!
Ten Internet dollars says Tai and Mari wake up the next morning in a very compromising position.
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But I got over it. Marigold needs to get over it too. You don't get anything you want in life unless you grow some metaphorical balls, and stop being so whiny.
All people are not cut from the same cloth. Something that one can "get over" easily, another can't--something one will shrug off, another won't, and also vice-versa. Because something was easy or manageable for you does not mean it will be for someone else--it may take them an entirely different amount of effort and mental/emotional strength, and this I think is one of the most important things we need to recognize before judging other people.
All that aside, I am extremely disappointed in Wil for using "bosoms" incorrectly! Of all people you think he'd know! He seems to read a fair amount of 19th c. lit, and that stuff is saturated in the (correct!) usage of "bosom." He may as well have said she has a great "set of chests."
Also, I gotta say, I am tired of people talking like because Marigold is "an attractive female gamer" she's some kind of rare unicorn, and has magic powers or something. First off, attractive female gamers aren't that rare anymore, and I wish we'd retire that idea along with "male gamers never get laid." Second off, Marigold isn't somehow specially attractive. She's average to slightly-below-average. That doesn't mean she isn't cute--you can totally be cute and average, since, well, most people are average-looking. She's been getting cuter lately, so maybe she'll get to slightly-above-average, but she ain't there now. But I think singling her out as "hot girl gamer!" makes it seem like there's a different criteria for girl gamers, and honestly, most hot girl gamers I know are just plain-out hot, by anyone's consideration.
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She should stop being a manipulative passive-aggressive bitch towards Angus, and start being a plain old manipulative aggressive bitch towards anyone she wants to be
and this would help her in what way?
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I am extremely disappointed in Wil for using "bosoms" incorrectly!
The use of "bosoms" for a woman's breast is attested by the Oxford English Dictionary; that'll do for me.
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Quote plz? I don't pay for OED access and all the other online dictionaries I see list it only in the singular.
Also, I am not entirely reassured by your post, since you just said the OED sanctions the use of "bosoms" (plural) for a woman's breast (singular), meaning that her two breasts would be what--bosoms upon bosoms?
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Bosomss.
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Oh, and btw--making this into a bona-fide party was smart of Faye. Still no idea how it will go, but that definitely takes care of my objections from when we first heard about this gathering--at a party full of people, Faye and Angus can flirt in relative privacy and not have the kind of awkwardness that would have ensued if it was just Dora, Marten, Marigold, Faye, and Angus all on the couch together, as I'd originally thought.
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She should stop being a manipulative passive-aggressive bitch towards Angus, and start being a plain old manipulative aggressive bitch towards anyone she wants stuff from
and this would help her in what way?
It gets you everywhere in life.
Nice people finish last and all that jazz.
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Quote plz? I don't pay for OED access and all the other online dictionaries I see list it only in the singular.
Also, I am not entirely reassured by your post, since you just said the OED sanctions the use of "bosoms" (plural) for a woman's breast (singular), meaning that her two breasts would be what--bosoms upon bosoms?
A Bosom bundle? Bouquet? Banquet? Maybe it's a gaggle of bosom. Or perhaps a 'murder' if it's that time of the month?
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It gets you everywhere in life.
Nice people finish last and all that jazz.
I suppose that depends on what part of the race is important to you.
Marigold needs somone to help her see that she's got innate worth as a person- and that beauty is more about who you are, that how much you look like the people on TV. Until she can see that, it's not gonna matter who she bangs- she'll still hate herself and never be happy- a lesson Faye is learning, I think. I mean Raven has the healthiest attitude towards casual sex, and she's pretty secure in herself- I think that goes together. Marten shows the best attitude towards a relationship, and I haven't seen him anywhere near as insecure as Faye, Dora or especialy Marigold.
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Quote plz? I don't pay for OED access and all the other online dictionaries I see list it only in the singular.
Also, I am not entirely reassured by your post, since you just said the OED sanctions the use of "bosoms" (plural) for a woman's breast (singular), meaning that her two breasts would be what--bosoms upon bosoms?
Breast can be used singularly or in the plural to describe the woman's bust as a whole (and that one is definitely only ever a singular!) like you say that a robin has a red breast, that's singular, it's the whole chest region...and bosoms can be in the plural too, I'm pretty sure, though the singular is more common, in the sense of the bust.
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Quote plz? I don't pay for OED access and all the other online dictionaries I see list it only in the singular.
The Encarta dictionary (which is the one I happen to have at hand) sez:
bosom [bzzəm]
noun (plural bosoms)
1. somebody's chest: the chest of a man or woman
2. woman's breasts: the breasts of a woman
3. woman's breast: either of the breasts of a woman (dated)
4. clothing covering breasts: the part of a garment that covers a woman's breasts
5. protective place: a familiar source of protection, security, or affection (literary)
back in the bosom of her family
6. seat of emotion: the place where emotions are felt (literary)
adjective
close in friendship: describes a friend to whom somebody is very close (informal)
a bosom buddy
[ Old English bōsm, origin ?]
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If only Wil had seen the abortive trip over, he might have termed them (Robert) Frostian.
"Something there is that doesn't love a bra."
What's with Wil rockin' the young Mark Twain look? Is that mostly for his work at the bar, or just a general style choice?
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With Wil, probably a mix of both
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Yeah, after all, the primary reason he was hired is that his sense of style fits perfectly to the pub's atmosphere. And in such an environment, he may be loosing all restraints he may have had put on his romantic tendancies. Shit, he may even end up producing decent neo-romantic poetry, in this context.
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Quote plz?
I don't have a full OED either. My source is The New Oxford Dictionary of English (1998), which is a big fat volume from OUP a bit like the Encarta one, but with less encyclopaedia bits. It says (copy typed):
bosom noun a woman's chest: her ample bosom | [mass noun] the dress offered a fair display of bosom.
* (usu. bosoms) a woman's breast. * a part of a woman's dress covering the chest. * etc...
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1. Always great to see the rest of the cast, even if only for a boob-gag.
2. The hair-detailing continues to be refined. Far less spotty and streaky than when first introduced. the most improvement being Dora's. Though Tai's looks like someone smashed an egg over her head (not being negatively critical, as I have said, good art processes are a continually being-refined effort).
3. Not sure I like Wil with the facial hair, but the suspenders and bow-tie definitely look good on him.
4. Tai & Dora, my favourite sexually open promiscious (well, mentally for the latter, of course) commentary pair 8-) .
5. Classical literary references + a nice set bosom(s) = For. The. Win.
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What's with Wil rockin' the young Mark Twain look? Is that mostly for his work at the bar, or just a general style choice?
Eh, at least he doesn't look like a wuss now.
Hey, a person can be whatever he wants to be, whether a terrible poet or a badass rockstar, but you gotta admit that Wil without the facial hair looked kind of sissy.
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All that aside, I am extremely disappointed in Wil for using "bosoms" incorrectly! Of all people you think he'd know! He seems to read a fair amount of 19th c. lit, and that stuff is saturated in the (correct!) usage of "bosom." He may as well have said she has a great "set of chests."
He may be a poet, but apart from his flowery prose about love and a lovely bit about his penis (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1205) we have not seen much evidence of being well read that I remember aside from a couple of Hemingway references. Besides Penny does lower her standards (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1281) for literature sometimes.
As a side note, another reason to be glad that Faye has turned this into a party is that Marigold does not look so overdressed any more, particularly compared to Will. Even though a lot of people are hating on her, I think everyone hates that feeling when you are too dressed up for a gathering.
EDIT: I just realised, are they drinking water??
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He may be a poet, but apart from his flowery prose about love and a lovely bit about his penis (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1205) we have not seen much evidence of being well read that I remember aside from a couple of Hemingway references.
Well, look at his vocabulary in that poetry, and also its style. People don't get vocabulary out of nowhere--it comes from reading. And antiquated vocabulary (as some of his is) comes from antiquated reading materials. Also, if his poetry is Romantic or mid-Victorian in style, I am gonna assume it's because he's read Romantic and mid-Victorian works that have servd him as inspiration, rather than that he's channeling a very poor 19th century poet or just "coincidentally/accidentally" writes in a very marked, time-specific style.
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First Marty, then Wil, then Angus.
Why does it seem that the only way male characters other than Steve enter relationships is by acting really lame and pathetic until the woman decides 'Well, at least he's not a philandering jerk'? I wish women worked that way in real life. I'd be a freaking casanova.
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As a side note, while I am not a huge fan of Penelope I loved the comment.
As to the relationship thing mentioned, with Marten it wasn't him being pathetic in my view. It was more that a lot of shit went on, he was interested in Faye, Dora was interested in him, and Faye was interested as well but she was too unstable for a relationship.
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Dora was, if not interested, at least attracted the first time she ever saw him (#75) and was definitely interested by the time Faye locked her out of the apartment (#118).
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Hee! Panel 4 Hanners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1679) is crazy-awesome-cute.
Also "Baking is science for hungry people" t-shirts now plz.
Just one question; where the hell did Marigold get to? In panel 1 she's right where Marten is in the other panels, but there;s no moer room left in the kitchen for her to have gone right, so either she's
a) merged with/phased through the counter-top
b) made a dash for the open spaces of the living room now that there are five other people in a kitchen barely big enough for two
c) squished up against Marten
d) behind the "camera"
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Shit, now I want strawberry-rhubarb pie. Fortunately, it's the full season for both these products. I'll be baking tonight. Yay!
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Faye's bosom is Archimedean! If last night's strip was for the Literature majors, tonight's is for we mathematicians. Because it is full of pie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi). :-D
What on earth is that clear blue fluid Marten's pouring from the bottle with a skull on the label? Finnish vodka? Baijiu? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baijiu) Romulan ale? And then there's the mysterious box labelled Vengeance. Beer possibly? Cooper's Sparkling Ale (http://www.australianbeers.com/beers/coopers_sparkling_ale/coopers_sparkling_ale.htm) is well known for its laxative properties...
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Faye's bosom is Archimedean!
It doesn't have any corners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedean_solid), so I'd rather call it Riemannian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere). For good measure, I'll also link to a trap (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/Math?from=IAmNotMakingThisUp.Math).
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What! No sugar pie?
I demand that you include that tasty and oh-so OTT Quebecois contribution to dessert.
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We've all seen mad scientists. Some of us have seen mad social scientists.
With panel 2, Hanners is edging towards the madgirl range of the culinary arts. either that or she's done a little too much sugar & a bit less sleep then she should have.
I'll put down 5 on the possibility that Tai, Dora or both make a pie joke that is misconstrued or has to be explained to Marigold.
What! No sugar pie?
I'm not so certain of the wisdom of combining baked sugary goods with Old Cancer Mule. It sounds like the same formula/result as Taco Bell + tequila.
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Hee! Panel 4 Hanners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1679) is crazy-awesome-cute.
Also "Baking is science for hungry people" t-shirts now plz.
I don't think we've seen Hanners this happy in forever
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Without reading the other comments on here, I posit the following:
Dora's been looking for someone to open a "pastry shop" in the "basement" of the store for a while.
"OCDelightful Delicacies by Hannelore"?
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I'd want to see the pastry shop happen just to see the requisite scene with the health inspector.
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I'd want to see the pastry shop happen just to see the requisite scene with the health inspector.
When Hanelore puts him in the autoclave to make sure he's* clean enough to enter her kitchen...
*Or she I suppose, but pain-humour is always funnier when it's a guy. :angel:
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Die, ladybug, die.
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Am I the only one that thinks we need a shirt made of Hanner's last comment about "science for hungry people"?
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Am I the only one that thinks we need a shirt made of Hanner's last comment about "science for hungry people"?
No?Hee! Panel 4 Hanners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1679) is crazy-awesome-cute.
Also "Baking is science for hungry people" t-shirts now plz.
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Am I the only one that thinks we need a shirt made of Hanner's last comment about "science for hungry people"?
I concur. I mean, she's literally correct...
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I don't think we've seen Hanners this happy in forever
Not since she discovered that LOUD was FUN (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=863) at least, I think...
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Just one question; where the hell did Marigold get to?
~*snip*~
d) behind the "camera"
She's behind Marty. She may also be squished up against him, though I'd expect to see a different expression on him if that were so -- maybe she's squished back against the wall to avoid human contact.
For some reason, I really like panel 2 -- just something about the framing "WTF" expressions from Marten and Angus in the foreground with pie-bearing Faye and Hanners in the middle. Although I am amused by the fact that Faye is holding the banana cream pie in the throwing position in panel 4. ^_^
Die, ladybug, die.
I, too, was quite amused by the fridge note.
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A whole strip devoted to tasty pies? Either this is a mondo "Three's Company" setup or someone hit the bong while storyboarding...
Mmmmmm... Would you like to taste my juicy pie?
(http://www.jessicadunton.com/blog/Mr.%20Furley.jpg)
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I'll put down 5 on the possibility that Tai, Dora or both make a pie joke that is misconstrued or has to be explained to Marigold.
Hair pie? Even money.
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Ummm, I didn't say that - this is what I said:
What! No sugar pie?
I demand that you include that tasty and oh-so OTT Quebecois contribution to dessert.
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MMM...Banana Cream Pie!
To be honest, I'd also go for a good coconut cream pie. But I have not had a really good one since the passing of my great aunt Rosina. :cry:
But I could go for a Hannelore t-shirt about baking and science. :wink:
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No offence but Agatha Hetrodyne is more my idea of an attractive blonde mad scientist rather than Hanners
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Oh no it looks like Marigold and Hanners are having a cute-off. :wink:
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Hanners could autoclave the health inspector but there's more precedent for making him floss his teeth.
I wonder if she'd realize that there's something wrong with her mother's approach.
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1. Mmm, banana cream pie... *Homer drool* Though Baker's Square's French Silk pie remains my addictive (addicted) guilty pleasure.
2. I too find Hannelore's new discovery and love of baking cute ("PIES! Pies pies pies pies!"), but I am surprised the process of baking has not set off her OCD. Baking (and cooking in general) is not exactly a "clean" act :wink: .
3. I agree that Agatha Heterodyne is indeed a more attractive mad scientist, but she is more about coffee than pastries though: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071015 (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071015)
4. "Baking is like Science for Hungry People" would make another great clothing logo. (Also still waiting for the "I'm OCDelightful!" shirt)
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Rejoice t-shirt fans!
@jephjacques: Welp, guess I have to make a "baking is science for hungry people" shirt now. I kinda thought I might.
39 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Squee! Finally a tshirt design I can get behind! (Well, there WAS the Indiana Jones-as-God one...)
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What about an Apron you can get behind?
@jephjacques: working on the "baking is science" design now. it's gonna be really cute. I think we'll do aprons too!
19 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Admittedly it's more relevant to quiche rather than pie, but there's an existing T-shirt design that could be readily adapted into a culinary reference.
SCIENCE IS A HERB NOW
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I think Hannelore's okay, so long as she has access to pastuerized eggs and ultra-pasteurized milk products. It's still messy, but at least it's deliciously messy.
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I'm a bit surprised by so much people considering the idea of baking (or cooking in general) being science as novel. Have you never heard of molecular gastronomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy)?
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Have you never heard of molecular gastronomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy)?
Yes. Don't you just hate negative questions?
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Have you never heard of molecular gastronomy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy)?
Yes. Don't you just hate negative questions?
Um... yes? Dammit! I'll find some way to get back at you. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle3zaap0y7ym6o?from=Main.MathematiciansAnswer)
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Hee! Panel 4 Hanners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1679) is crazy-awesome-cute.
Also "Baking is science for hungry people" t-shirts now plz.
Just one question; where the hell did Marigold get to? In panel 1 she's right where Marten is in the other panels, but there;s no moer room left in the kitchen for her to have gone right, so either she's
a) merged with/phased through the counter-top
b) made a dash for the open spaces of the living room now that there are five other people in a kitchen barely big enough for two
c) squished up against Marten
d) behind the "camera"
As soon as she saw Marten pouring "Slightly Worse Than Death Battledrought", she booked for the living room - just before Faye and Hanners showed up.
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I hereby unilaterally retcon Faye's first line to "Make way for some flaky pastry (http://flakypastry.runningwithpencils.com/)!"
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(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5928/bakingsciencehungrypeop.th.png) (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/bakingsciencehungrypeop.png/)
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So how will the YouTube and Beer party go?
According to Hoyle. - 3 (3.7%)
According to Twitter. - 18 (22%)
According to Pintsize. (shudder) - 24 (29.3%)
According to Sven. - 4 (4.9%)
PSYCHE! Jeph will skip right past it. - 20 (24.4%)
Porridge with Pancakes. - 13 (15.9%)
Total Voters: 82
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I hereby unilaterally retcon Faye's first line to "Make way for some flaky pastry (http://flakypastry.runningwithpencils.com/)!"
Does that mean that Zintiel, Marelle, Nitrine, Neigbour and Prism will be coming to the YouTube party at the Faye/Marten/Dora residence?
Oh good. Just make sure that nobody says Rainbow Love Child or gets Zintiel to show what an Omega Murder Blast is.
Pie!!! :-D
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Does no one see the continuity problem? Faye can't cook! She burned down her apartment making toast, then she cut her hand making spaghetti.
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Um... yes? Dammit! I'll find some way to get back at you. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle3zaap0y7ym6o?from=Main.MathematiciansAnswer)
Dammit I just wasted three hours of my life and its all your fault. :wink:
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When does the Faye vs Marigold catfight starts?
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Does no one see the continuity problem? Faye can't cook! She burned down her apartment making toast, then she cut her hand making spaghetti.
And Hannelore can't handle messes. But goddamnit, pies trump continuity!
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Faye has baked before, in 1252, and there was a Twitter thread where she was making cupcakes with Hanners.
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Does no one see the continuity problem? Faye can't cook! She burned down her apartment making toast, then she cut her hand making spaghetti.
Cooking and baking are two completely different animals. And I don't think any of her previous mishaps involved cooking things inside an oven. There was a toaster which burned down her building and a can which cut her hand, if I remember correctly. Besides, Hanners said that Faye taught her recipes; for all we know, Hanners could have done all the baking. But she must have plugged her stove back in at some point for that to be true, as I remember Winslow saying she unplugged it once for fear of leaving it on.
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Um... yes? Dammit! I'll find some way to get back at you. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle3zaap0y7ym6o?from=Main.MathematiciansAnswer)
Dammit I just wasted three hours of my life and its all your fault. :wink:
You're welcome. :-D
Does no one see the continuity problem? Faye can't cook! She burned down her apartment making toast, then she cut her hand making spaghetti.
Cooking and baking are two completely different animals.
What, a wildebake and a buffacook?
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Does no one see the continuity problem? Faye can't cook! She burned down her apartment making toast, then she cut her hand making spaghetti.
Cooking and baking are two completely different animals. And I don't think any of her previous mishaps involved cooking things inside an oven. There was a toaster which burned down her building and a can which cut her hand, if I remember correctly. Besides, Hanners said that Faye taught her recipes; for all we know, Hanners could have done all the baking. But she must have plugged her stove back in at some point for that to be true, as I remember Winslow saying she unplugged it once for fear of leaving it on.
Yes. I'm good at baking and pretty bad at cooking. With baking you just put everything together, stir and stick it in an oven (well, usually), with cooking there's cutting and frying and all kinds of difficult things. Also, usually when you're baking there aren't very many sharp edges to cut yourself on. I think (but I don't have encyclopedic knowledge of all the comics like some people here) that when she offered to make spaghetti for Marten, he was initially skeptical because of the toast-making thing and Faye said that that was just a fluke and she could usually cook pretty well... or something.
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Yes. I'm good at baking and pretty bad at cooking. With baking you just put everything together, stir and stick it in an oven (well, usually), with cooking there's cutting and frying and all kinds of difficult things. Also, usually when you're baking there aren't very many sharp edges to cut yourself on. I think (but I don't have encyclopedic knowledge of all the comics like some people here) that when she offered to make spaghetti for Marten, he was initially skeptical because of the toast-making thing and Faye said that that was just a fluke and she could usually cook pretty well... or something.
Ha. And I'm the opposite. I can cook fine, but I'm far less adept at baking. (Although I mostly try to do vegan baking and that's just difficult in general...)
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But she must have plugged her stove back in at some point for that to be true, as I remember Winslow saying she unplugged it once for fear of leaving it on.
Your memory is correct, it's strip 590.
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Did anyone call a possible Marigold/Dale hookup? (Hey, he's like, one of the first guys she's talked to and hasn't stuttered her face off. Guess her WoW stuff overrides the social-interaction fear?)
I like Dale, he seems like a pretty chill dude.
Anyone see Faye and Angus anywhere? :wink:
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Is it still internet tough-guy-ing when you do it face to face?
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why is marigold such a racist
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Hmm. I wouldnt call her racist. This is just too stupid a criteria. Even for racists.
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why is marigold such a racist
She's not racist, she's faction-ist. Also apparently class-ist. If she was racist, she'd be yelling at him for playing a human/gnome/elf/dwarf/whatever those other races they added after I quit playing are, not Alliance as a whole.
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1. Dale works three jobs and has time to play World of Warcraft...? Wish I had that level of time-management and energy.
2. "MariGoldFarmer," tauren protection 'spec warrior? Good gag, but nobody likes a gold farmer (hah).
3. I think it might have been funnier if Dale's new Warsong character was a gnome rogue, in contrast to his (very) tall, dark, and everbody-likes-Dale-some, especially versus a tauren warrior. [insert David vs. Goliath gag]
4. Could this be the prelude to the new romantic comedy...? [trailer announcer voice]: "He's an Alliance PvP-rogue, she's a Horde raid-tank... Can two opposite play-spectrums find Love from URL to IRL...?"
5. A truism of MMO-RPGs: it does not matter if you are level-capped and max-geared, if someone wants to "gank" you that badly it is an eventuality rather than a possibiity. And this is not limted to PvP either, unfortunately, but that then crosses over into "griefing." Hope Marigold has some WoW-friends of her own to watch her back. [EDIT ADD: ooh, just had a thought! Maybe WoW-Sven will come to her rescue! 8-) ]
6. Also, "Baking is Science for Hungry People" aprons = awesome. *thumbs-up*
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Anyone see Faye and Angus anywhere? :wink:
What does Angus "passing the test" translate to from Faye's POV anyway? Committed relationship? Marriage? Simple f***ing?
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Anyone see Faye and Angus anywhere? :wink:
What does Angus "passing the test" translate to from Faye's POV anyway? Committed relationship? Marriage? Simple f***ing?
I'd say trust.
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Did anyone call a possible Marigold/Dale hookup?
Hmm... would that be Dalegold or Maridale? :angel:
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why is marigold such a racist
She's not racist, she's faction-ist. Also apparently class-ist. If she was racist, she'd be yelling at him for playing a human/gnome/elf/dwarf/whatever those other races they added after I quit playing are, not Alliance as a whole.
Racists are people who have prejudices on other people, based on things like their religion, the amount of melanine in their skin, their gender, and other really stupid outer criteria that say nothing about the person themselves in such a general way.
So yeah, if you take her reason serious, she's a racist. Inventing new names for it like "factionist" or "sexist" etc doesnt change the fact those are just variants of the more general term racist.
But I just cant take the reason "That person plays the opposing faction in a game, so I dont like it" serious, so I cant call Marigold a racist. She's simply being stupid.
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why is marigold such a racist
She's not racist, she's faction-ist. Also apparently class-ist. If she was racist, she'd be yelling at him for playing a human/gnome/elf/dwarf/whatever those other races they added after I quit playing are, not Alliance as a whole.
Racists are people who have prejudices on other people, based on things like their religion, the amount of melanine in their skin, their gender, and other really stupid outer criteria that say nothing about the person themselves in such a general way.
So yeah, if you take her reason serious, she's a racist. Inventing new names for it like "factionist" or "sexist" etc doesnt change the fact those are just variants of the more general term racist.
But I just cant take the reason "That person plays the opposing faction in a game, so I dont like it" serious, so I cant call Marigold a racist. She's simply being stupid.
...no. Not at all. A racist is someone who has prejudices to other people based on RACE. Hence the word "racist". If the prejudice is based on something else, it's called prejudice, or there is another word for it, like "sexism". The fact that you think "racist" is a general term opposed to "variants" like sexist is really entertaining, especially since when I wrote that previous post I was one inch away from ranting about how annoying it is when people misuse "racism" to mean general prejudice. It makes them (and you) sound very stupid.
Here, have a dictionary definition, courtesy of dictionary.reference.com (emphasis is my own):
rac·ism
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
As you see, racism means prejudice based on race. Prejudice based on other factors is called other things, like sexism. As for Marigold being stupid for using WoW factions to decide whether she likes or dislikes someone - of course she is. But that doesn't mean she's a racist. She's prejudiced.
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Racists are people who have prejudices on other people, based on things like their religion, the amount of melanine in their skin, their gender, and other really stupid outer criteria that say nothing about the person themselves in such a general way.
No. I sympathise, because I'm ESL too, but not all forms of prejudice are racism. When someone calls me a "sl*pe", "g**k or "ch*nk" because I'm East Asian, they're racist. If someone gets in my face because because I follow the "wrong" religion, they're a religious bigot but not necessarily racist. If someone decides that, because I'm female, I should be excluded from a field of employment, or not promoted, or paid less than a man for the same work, they're sexist and probably male chauvinist, but not necessarily racist. Some people are "package deal" bigots, some restrict it to a selection from the vast menu of things on which people judge, and base discrimination against, other people.
I'm pretty sure a few dark spots of bigotry disfigure even the noblest characters, and worst of all are the prejudices of which we might not be aware because they're ubiquitous in the social sea in which we swim. Marigold's distaste for Alliance WoW players (I don't play MMORPGs so I have no idea what that's about), is more down at the level of sports-team chauvinism, with all the "trash talking" that goes with it. Which is pretty silly. Just like arguing on web-comic forums... :angel:
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Racists are people who have prejudices on other people, based on things like their religion, the amount of melanine in their skin, their gender, and other really stupid outer criteria that say nothing about the person themselves in such a general way.
No. I sympathise, because I'm ESL too
I also speak English as a second language. :P Misuse of the word "racist" still annoys me, but that may be because the Norwegian word for it is exactly the same, but with an s instead of a c, and it's misused in exactly the same way here.
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Racists are people who have prejudices on other people, based on things like their religion, the amount of melanine in their skin, their gender, and other really stupid outer criteria that say nothing about the person themselves in such a general way.
No. I sympathise, because I'm ESL too, but not all forms of prejudice are racism. When someone calls me a "sl*pe", "g**k or "ch*nk" because I'm East Asian, they're racist. If someone gets in my face because because I follow the "wrong" religion, they're a religious bigot but not necessarily racist. If someone decides that, because I'm female, I should be excluded from a field of employment, or not promoted, or paid less than a man for the same work, they're sexist and probably male chauvinist, but not necessarily racist. Some people are "package deal" bigots, some restrict it to a selection from the vast menu of things on which people judge, and base discrimination against, other people.
I'm pretty sure a few dark spots of bigotry disfigure even the noblest characters, and worst of all are the prejudices of which we might not be aware because they're ubiquitous in the social sea in which we swim. Marigold's distaste for Alliance WoW players (I don't play MMORPGs so I have no idea what that's about), is more down at the level of sports-team chauvinism, with all the "trash talking" that goes with it. Which is pretty silly. Just like arguing on web-comic forums... :angel:
I don't see how the fact that snubnose is ESL is problematic in this discussion...he's German, right? It's pretty much the same word in German, and it has just the same meaning as in English: rassistisch. And whilst it might include religion in some cases, since people tend to assume middle-eastern means 'muslim', it definitely doesn't include gender. Yeah some people group their prejudices together and insult black women or something, but it doesn't automatically include your sex.
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Huh I guess "no tips for Alliance scum" really *was* more than a throw away joke. And somehow Marigold and Dale are managing to timetravel back to 2005 when playing WoW :P
And I love the shirt/apron design. I'm pretty sure I will have to buy one for my gf when it comes out.
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Could one of you archive-junkies help a guy out? Is Dale a new character that everyone just knows, or did he show up someplace before "no tips"?
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Forgive me if I missed it, but if dale made a night-elf mohaw- I mean rogue, isn't he horde, then?
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Could one of you archive-junkies help a guy out? Is Dale a new character that everyone just knows, or did he show up someplace before "no tips"?
He was the regular that knew about the secret menu at CoD. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1640
Except for maybe a background cameo somewhere I'm pretty sure that was his first appearance.
Forgive me if I missed it, but if dale made a night-elf mohaw- I mean rogue, isn't he horde, then?
Nope, Night Elves are alliance, Blood Elves are horde. Both are despised ;P
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Marigold's distaste for Alliance WoW players (I don't play MMORPGs so I have no idea what that's about), is more down at the level of sports-team chauvinism, with all the "trash talking" that goes with it. Which is pretty silly. Just like arguing on web-comic forums... :angel:
Thank you. Someone who has some sense around here.
Honestly, if this exact same scene had been played out with someone yelling between the Yankees and the Nicks (that's a pair of rival teams right?), nobody would have thought twice about it, and certainly nobody would be absurd enough to call it racism.
EDIT: Probably should have gone with Florida Gators and Georgia Bulldogs, cause I know for certain that's a rival pair.
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i still cant believe she doesnt like dale solely because he plays on an opposing faction in a game she plays. Although I think Dale is flirting. 8-) As for the comparison of sports teams, I like the cowboys and I live in an area of redskin fans and no one has yet stiffed me for tips because of such or shown dislike for me.
Could one of you archive-junkies help a guy out? Is Dale a new character that everyone just knows, or did he show up someplace before "no tips"?
Everybody Likes Dale (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1640)
Forgive me if I missed it, but if dale made a night-elf mohaw- I mean rogue, isn't he horde, then?
as stated earlier night elves are alliance, and blood elves are horde.
Alliance: Humans, Night Elves, Gnomes, Dwarves, Draenei (a satyr like race), Worgen (werewolves)
Horde: Orcs, Trolls, Undead, Blood Elves, Tauren, Goblins.
I havnt played in over a year but sometimes I think about coming back.
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As for the comparison of sports teams, I like the cowboys and I live in an area of redskin fans and no one has yet stiffed me for tips because of such or shown dislike for me.
I used to work delivering pizzas.
You know what's fun? When you answer the door to some nice little 13-14 year old girl who starts to give you a tip, then her grandmother comes up and is all like "don't you dare give no white girl no tip. If she had a whip in her hand and half a chance she'd flail the skin off your back."
FUN WITH RACISM!
The saddest part of it? The girl looked at me afterwords like she was about ready to cry and slipped me a tip anyway.
Forgive me if I missed it, but if dale made a night-elf mohaw- I mean rogue, isn't he horde, then?
as stated earlier night elves are alliance, and blood elves are horde.
If you're familiar with fantasy in general, it's pretty similar to a lot of other franchises.
Night Elves and Blood Elves are the same species. One lives in the forest, is nocturnal and worships the moon. The other lives in an opulent magic rich society, is diurnal and worships the sun (but mostly just worship themselves and magic)).
Standard wood elf and high elf variations.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurElvesAreBetter
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Jeph answered a question about Dale on formspring. If memory serves, he said the secret menu episode was Dale's first appearance.
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Is it just me, or was Dale wearing some super short shorts?
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Just for the comics sake: http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=MariGoldFarm&searchType=all
I suppose the real reason she's being an ass is is because rogues do it from behind (http://www.wowwiki.com/Rogues_Do_it_from_Behind), and they're a real pain. *snicker*
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Is it just me, or was Dale wearing some super short shorts?
Nope, wasn't just you. Jeph tried to keep 'em discreet, but I noticed 'em too.
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Mar-Bear, Dale-y, in a Warsong threa',
PvP-ing, Oh-em-gee.
First comes /taunt, then comes macro,
Then comes the crit-spike-DPS combo!
... I'm still waiting for Guild Wars 2, work with me here...
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For the love of god, don't mention discontinuity in the WoW jokes to Jeph. He may actually realize that he'll have to do research on it to continue growing Marigold's character, end up buying and playing it, and then he will never update QC ever again.
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Night Elves and Blood Elves are the same species.
WROOOONNNNNGGGG!!!!
Honestly, Warcraft lore is enough of a mess without people spreading misinformation.
For the record:
http://www.wow.com/2010/05/04/know-your-lore-elven-evolution/ (http://www.wow.com/2010/05/04/know-your-lore-elven-evolution/)
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The Warhammer division of elves is much simpler and easy to understand - in WFB all elves are the same "race", but due to political machinations, one large faction split and is following its narissistic leader and his batshit insane mother, another has remained in their ancestral island to avoid having to deal with the lesser races, while a third faction perfers to live in harmony with nature. all just cultural differences.
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Night Elves and Blood Elves are the same species.
WROOOONNNNNGGGG!!!!
Honestly, Warcraft lore is enough of a mess without people spreading misinformation.
For the record:
http://www.wow.com/2010/05/04/know-your-lore-elven-evolution/ (http://www.wow.com/2010/05/04/know-your-lore-elven-evolution/)
meh I see them as cousins rather than the same race, like the Cro-magnon and the Neanderthal. Same ancestry but pretty different. The night elves and the high elves had kind of a proletariat-bourgeoisie relationship that culminated into the big split when demons invaded. all fantasy involving elves has some sort of split.
in WFB all elves are the same "race", but due to political machinations, one large faction split and is following its narissistic leader and his batshit insane mother, another has remained in their ancestral island to avoid having to deal with the lesser races, while a third faction perfers to live in harmony with nature. all just cultural differences.
see
and tolkeins elves did the same thing (perhaps set the archtype?)
Is it just me, or was Dale wearing some super short shorts?
Nope, wasn't just you. Jeph tried to keep 'em discreet, but I noticed 'em too.
who likes short shorts ;)
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For the love of god, don't mention discontinuity in the WoW jokes to Jeph. He may actually realize that he'll have to do research on it to continue growing Marigold's character, end up buying and playing it, and then he will never update QC ever again.
Didn't Jeph say once that he used to play WoW but gave it up when he realized it was an unpaid at-least-part-time job?
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5. A truism of MMO-RPGs: it does not matter if you are level-capped and max-geared, if someone wants to "gank" you that badly it is an eventuality rather than a possibiity. And this is not limted to PvP either, unfortunately, but that then crosses over into "griefing." Hope Marigold has some WoW-friends of her own to watch her back. [EDIT ADD: ooh, just had a thought! Maybe WoW-Sven will come to her rescue! 8-) ]
Marigold has a whole Guild to watch her back and hella-time playing the game, so she'll be fine. At this point, I'm actually hoping that Sven will be on Dale's side. :wink: During Dale and Marigold's party confrontation, I was hearing the Mortal Combat theme until I noticed the title -- Kill Bill works too. I really liked Marten's comment: "I think they were flirting. Or fighting. Or both." All while cheerfully munching pizza -- mmmm, pizza . . . Reminds me of his Mmm soda moment when Faye was telling him and Dora about the tacos-and-bourbon incident. Marten seems most content when the drama is happening near him but not to him.
So, how long into the YouTube viewing will it be when one of the party guests shows up in a clip? :-D
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Well, I was wrong, no cliffhanger.
Then again, I'm in New Zealand and it's already Saturday here - so I could be wrong.
Hmmmm. I think either they'll hook up or wind up facing off in the ally behind CoD
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No reason they can't do both.
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The night elves and the high elves had kind of a proletariat-bourgeoisie relationship that culminated into the big split when demons invaded.
What did I just say about misinformation? High Elves didn't even exist until thousands of years after the invasion.
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No reason they can't do both.
You mean fight each other to a standstill in the ally then hump like bunnies afterwards?
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WoWers are worse than LotRer. It's ST vs. SW, only with spells instead of phasers.
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I mean this in the least disrespectful way possible: does anyone think the latest t-shirt design is kind of...nonsensical/not funny?
'Baking is Science for Hungry People!'
Again, since I can't convey my tone through text, I'd like to say: I'm not trying to be a dick. So, I apologize if I come across that way.
But I can't figure out exactly why it's supposed to be funny, and I'm curious as to what other people know that I don't. :\
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No reason they can't do both.
You mean fight each other to a standstill in the ally then hump like bunnies afterwards?
Exactly, fanfic for everyone! Let the shipping resume!
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5. A truism of MMO-RPGs: it does not matter if you are level-capped and max-geared, if someone wants to "gank" you that badly it is an eventuality rather than a possibiity. And this is not limted to PvP either, unfortunately, but that then crosses over into "griefing." Hope Marigold has some WoW-friends of her own to watch her back. [EDIT ADD: ooh, just had a thought! Maybe WoW-Sven will come to her rescue! 8-) ]
Marigold has a whole Guild to watch her back and hella-time playing the game, so she'll be fine. At this point, I'm actually hoping that Sven will be on Dale's side. :wink: During Dale and Marigold's party confrontation, I was hearing the Mortal Combat theme until I noticed the title -- Kill Bill works too. I really liked Marten's comment: "I think they were flirting. Or fighting. Or both." All while cheerfully munching pizza -- mmmm, pizza . . . Reminds me of his Mmm soda moment when Faye was telling him and Dora about the tacos-and-bourbon incident. Marten seems most content when the drama is happening near him but not to him.
So, how long into the YouTube viewing will it be when one of the party guests shows up in a clip? :-D
There's still no area to do this, even if they were on a PvP server :P
The cities are safe zones, the Tourney (daily quest hub) is a safe zone, the best goldfarming quests are instances, the instances are same faction only, you warp into instances from anywhere, and everyone flies around safe (they can still be killed but not by a rogue). The only people who can get ganked are the people still leveling... aka Dale.
Not that I'd complain since I hate Marigold and the nerdrage would be amusing.
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5. A truism of MMO-RPGs: it does not matter if you are level-capped and max-geared, if someone wants to "gank" you that badly it is an eventuality rather than a possibiity. And this is not limted to PvP either, unfortunately, but that then crosses over into "griefing." Hope Marigold has some WoW-friends of her own to watch her back. [EDIT ADD: ooh, just had a thought! Maybe WoW-Sven will come to her rescue! 8-) ]
Marigold has a whole Guild to watch her back and hella-time playing the game, so she'll be fine. At this point, I'm actually hoping that Sven will be on Dale's side. :wink: During Dale and Marigold's party confrontation, I was hearing the Mortal Combat theme until I noticed the title -- Kill Bill works too. I really liked Marten's comment: "I think they were flirting. Or fighting. Or both." All while cheerfully munching pizza -- mmmm, pizza . . . Reminds me of his Mmm soda moment when Faye was telling him and Dora about the tacos-and-bourbon incident. Marten seems most content when the drama is happening near him but not to him.
So, how long into the YouTube viewing will it be when one of the party guests shows up in a clip? :-D
There's still no area to do this, even if they were on a PvP server :P
The cities are safe zones, the Tourney (daily quest hub) is a safe zone, the best goldfarming quests are instances, the instances are same faction only, you warp into instances from anywhere, and everyone flies around safe (they can still be killed but not by a rogue). The only people who can get ganked are the people still leveling... aka Dale.
Not that I'd complain since I hate Marigold and the nerdrage would be amusing.
Well, I mainly meant that Sven could be helping Dale level up and get outfitted, not that he would doubleteam Marigold (O_o). I don't play WoW (hate the graphics, hate the grinding, etc.), so I didn't realize that PvP was limited to one-on-one -- no group brawls? Boo. I did get the impression that one has to accept a challenge or agree to PvP, so that's no surprise. As to "ganking" -- I thought that that referred to a high-leveled player killing a lower-leveled one, aka n00b, not to an even-level grudge match. Is PvP somehow not allowed between players who are both the highest level? If so, that seems lame.
I don't hate Marigold, but I definitely feel like she needs to feel the consequences of her actions.
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I mean this in the least disrespectful way possible: does anyone think the latest t-shirt design is kind of...nonsensical/not funny?
'Baking is Science for Hungry People!'
Again, since I can't convey my tone through text, I'd like to say: I'm not trying to be a dick. So, I apologize if I come across that way.
But I can't figure out exactly why it's supposed to be funny, and I'm curious as to what other people know that I don't. :\
No, standing alone it's not really funy. It's not completely nonsensical, although there's more science in a made-from-scratch cake or muffin than in a pie.
Even in the comic, it was a little lame as a punchline, and earned it's cachet from being uttered by the (arguably) cutest castmember in a truly kawaii moment.
But to be honest, I can picture just about every kitchen lady at my church wearing one of these, and loving it - it's simply true, and there's not enough of that these days!
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Ah, well ganking also refers/refered to attacking an afk player or one who is otherwise occupied (questing, farming, etc.) Without warning.
There *is* still the sanctioned group pvp in arenas and battlegrounds, but that doesn't really feel like "coming for her" in the way ambushing her out of the blue does. I suppose that is my own interpretation though. Plus these are all mixed server so you're lucky to get matched with a specific target.
This is one of the reasons my interest in wow waned though; at end game (where marigold is) there is litterally nothing you can do to advance your character between raids other than sit in a city and warp to instances for gold. Even in the previous expantion you could go to the unprotected island quest hub to stir up or smack down trouble with other level capped people.
(On smartphone sorry for spellings)
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I agree with you, Carl-E. Part of the charm is that it came from Hannelore with a weird selection of descriptive words, sort of like the definition in Comic 864 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=864) of "Drumming is counting using your whole body!"
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I agree with you, Carl-E. Part of the charm is that it came from Hannelore with a weird selection of descriptive words, sort of like the definition in Comic 864 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=864) of "Drumming is counting using your whole body!"
Yeah, I thought it might be the context that made it funny.
Personally, I'd think cooking is science for anyone. ;)
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Could one of you archive-junkies help a guy out? Is Dale a new character that everyone just knows, or did he show up someplace before "no tips"?
He was the regular that knew about the secret menu at CoD. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1640
Except for maybe a background cameo somewhere I'm pretty sure that was his first appearance.
That was, indeed, his first appearance. I don't have any other noted appearances of a character even remotely similar to him anywhere else in the archives.
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Marigold's distaste for Alliance WoW players (I don't play MMORPGs so I have no idea what that's about), is more down at the level of sports-team chauvinism, with all the "trash talking" that goes with it. Which is pretty silly. Just like arguing on web-comic forums... :angel:
Thank you. Someone who has some sense around here.
Honestly, if this exact same scene had been played out with someone yelling between the Yankees and the Nicks (that's a pair of rival teams right?), nobody would have thought twice about it, and certainly nobody would be absurd enough to call it racism.
EDIT: Probably should have gone with Florida Gators and Georgia Bulldogs, cause I know for certain that's a rival pair.
Yeah, you probably should have, since the Yankees play baseball (rivals would be the Red Sox) and the Knicks play basketball (or so they say; their big rivals would probably be the Celtics).
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The night elves and the high elves had kind of a proletariat-bourgeoisie relationship that culminated into the big split when demons invaded.
What did I just say about misinformation? High Elves didn't even exist until thousands of years after the invasion.
not true, during the time of the split and the events leading up to it the high elves (or high borne as they where also called)
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/508.xml (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/508.xml)
scroll down to "Arcane Magic and its consequences)
The night elves studied the energies of the Well for over a thousand years before Queen Azshara came to the throne. By that time, one caste of night elf nobility had risen to prominence. Under Azshara's reign, members of that caste began calling themselves the Highborne. The name pleased Azshara, for she too was a member of the highest caste, and she approved the term for official use.
Some of the Highborne regretted their choice to aid the Legion and managed to escape the capital city, Zin-Azshari, before the Well of Eternity imploded and triggered the Great Sundering. Afterwards, arcane magic was outlawed on pain of death, but the Highborne arrogantly continued their dangerous sorcery. Rather than execute their defiant kindred, Tyrande and Malfurion sentenced the Highborne to exile. The exiles journeyed over the sea to Lordaeron, where they founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas and began calling themselves high elves.
/nerd rant off.
I cant wait to see what happens at the party next. Especially after the angus marigold talk on the way there, and how faye stacks up.
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/recursivenerdrage
The exiles journeyed over the sea to Lordaeron, where they founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas and began calling themselves high elves.
CALLING themselves High Elves. They didn't BECOME high elves for thousands of years.
Highborne are NIGHT elves.
Get your facts straight.
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Facts? What facts?
Elves, faries, pixies, brownies, gnomes...
whatever. They're all fantasy, remember? You never saw us them.
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Carl, do I have to remind you what Oberon said at the last meeting?
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Sorry, too busy chatting Titania up in the back of the room...
something about... ummm... exposure? He seemed pissed at the time, I recall.
But then agan, he always does!
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Just because you call them two different species, doesn't make it true.
Night Elves and Blood Elves are the same species.
WROOOONNNNNGGGG!!!!
Honestly, Warcraft lore is enough of a mess without people spreading misinformation.
For the record: http://www.wow.com/2010/05/04/know-your-lore-elven-evolution/ (http://www.wow.com/2010/05/04/know-your-lore-elven-evolution/)
What did I just say about misinformation? High Elves didn't even exist until thousands of years after the invasion.
You're wrong. In fact, even that article you linked says you're wrong.
The super short version:
At first there were Night Elves. You had the Highborne caste which practiced arcane magic, and they blew up the Night Elf capital. The members of the non-magic-using-caste were pissed, and exiled the highborne. The highborne set up on another continent, and the humans dubbed them High Elves. The High Elves then blew up their new capital city again (admittedly not their fault this time). Realizing that they were hopelessly addicted to magic, and would die without a source of magic, most of the remaining High Elves started enslaving demons and draining magic from them, and renamed themselves Blood Elves. The ones who didn't kept the name High Elf. Eventually the Blood Elves stopped sucking on demons, but kept the Blood Elf name.
Night Elf Magic-Using-Caste = Highborne
High Elf = Exiled Highborne
Blood Elf = High Elf that dined on demon magic at some point in their past
The exiles journeyed over the sea to Lordaeron, where they founded the kingdom of Quel'Thalas and began calling themselves high elves.
CALLING themselves High Elves. They didn't BECOME high elves for thousands of years.
Highborne are NIGHT elves.
Get your facts straight.
Highborne are High Elves AND Night Elves. Higheborne and High Elves are the exact same group of people. Pre-exile and post-exile is the only difference between them (And some skin paling up from too much magic usage).
THE EXACT SAME SPECIES. Same as you have whites, blacks, hispanics, orientals, and every other goddamn race on Earth all the way down to Eskimos, but they are still all the exact same species of humans. There are not multiple species of humans on the Earth anymore, no Neanderthals. Night Elves and Blood Elves, are the same species, but different culture, in different location in the world.
Night Elf = Highborne = High Elf = Blood Elf
Kaldorei = Quel'dorei = Quel'dorei = Sin'dorei
All the same species, just different cultures. Same species that keeps changing it's name.
Note the fact that Highborne are well known to be Night Elves (Hell just look up Queen Azshara), and despite the two races speaking different languages, it still EXACT SAME NAME as the High Elves in BOTH LANGUAGES.
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I just saw him in an earlier comic, where he was in one panel with his back to the viewer. They didn't talk to him, though, and he was only handed a drink.
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Thanks Karilyn, you beat me too it. :mrgreen:
Facts? What facts?
Elves, faries, pixies, brownies, gnomes...
whatever. They're all fantasy, remember? You never saw us them.
I also second this.
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Amazing isn't it old friend. They never learn.
Yes
So, lunch with Ulkesh at the usual time?
Yes
Oh, and tell Lorien to take it easy on the . . . . . Hey! Their listening!!
*Sound of mike being cut*
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By the by, Wayland needs his sword back
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So... no one commented on the fact that Pizza Girl and Penelope still haven't been seen at the same place at the same time.
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when is the last time we've even seen pizza girl?
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EDIT: Probably should have gone with Florida Gators and Georgia Bulldogs, cause I know for certain that's a rival pair.
being a GA fan... i can vouch for that. i have flipped people off because of florida bumper stickers before. i have neglected to hold doors for florida shirt wearers. i'm not sure i would do it out of my home state (ding ding, georgia...) but i am definitely a sports trash talking douchebag here at home
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Shit! I'm usually pretty opposed to shipping, but Marigold and Dale's antagonism is so petty that it may quite easily turn into a mutual attraction, and now I find myself kinda shipping Marigold and Dale as a couple.
But I won't mingle their name into a lame-ass shipname. I do have standards, at least in terms of avoiding to post moronic compounds.
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Would you buy a Baking is Science t-shirt?
Yes. - 12 (28.6%)
Absolutely. - 7 (16.7%)
Of course. - 6 (14.3%)
Any time. - 0 (0%)
Twice on Sunday. - 5 (11.9%)
Only if it came with Porridge and Pancakes. - 12 (28.6%)
Total Voters: 42
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By the by, Wayland needs his sword back
I loaned Albion to some guy from Sherwood
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That dude?, come on there's a warrant out for him!
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when is the last time we've even seen pizza girl?
A quick search on OhNoRobot has it as issue 399 (excluding some guest comics), though that may not be exhaustive. She is mentioned a lot when Penelope starts at Coffee of Doom, though.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=399
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"Baking is like science for hungry people." is still not funny to me. :( Just don't get it.
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I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.
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EDIT: Probably should have gone with Florida Gators and Georgia Bulldogs, cause I know for certain that's a rival pair.
being a GA fan... i can vouch for that. i have flipped people off because of florida bumper stickers before. i have neglected to hold doors for florida shirt wearers. i'm not sure i would do it out of my home state (ding ding, georgia...) but i am definitely a sports trash talking douchebag here at home
*hates*
Oh, yeah, I'm definitely a Tech fan. ;)
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There's still no area to do this, even if they were on a PvP server :P
The cities are safe zones, the Tourney (daily quest hub) is a safe zone, the best goldfarming quests are instances, the instances are same faction only, you warp into instances from anywhere, and everyone flies around safe (they can still be killed but not by a rogue). The only people who can get ganked are the people still leveling... aka Dale.
Not that I'd complain since I hate Marigold and the nerdrage would be amusing.
Obviously she is on a PvP server, only pussies play on any other kind. I assume there is still a decent amount of farming to be done, even if people no longer grind the elemental plataue for motes of fire. This was basically the worst when I used to play, alliance faggots NEVER farm solo and rarely even try to gank you unless it is 3v1. As for getting jumped by a single rogue, that's pretty silly. If she's raiding end-game he's at least 1000 hours of work behind her and he just cannot catch up. Anyway fuck you Jeph, I was wondering the other day why I've been thinking so much about WoW despite not playing it for two years, and now I realise it is your damn fault.
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i am opposed to paying a monthly fee for a videogame.
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I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.
:\ I'm just too darn logical, I guess.
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"Baking is like science for hungry people." is still not funny to me. :( Just don't get it.
Hannelore said it. Hannelore could read the phone book out loud and it would be funny.
Think about it. She'd read "867-5309" and comment that it has no repeated digits and would stop to check whether it's prime and figure out that it is and wonder who has that number in other area codes and what the probability distribution of prime numbers is among numbers with each prefix and with and without area codes and if you're dialing the number from outside the country how should you account for the + sign and are numbers evenly distributed or does the phone company assign them to minimize the chance of getting a wrong number with certain common errors like transpositions and what if someone gets a phone number that's close to hers and then picks up a stalker so that Hannelore will get wrong numbers from someone crazy and creepy ...
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(http://i49.tinypic.com/10n7z0w.jpg)
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"Baking is like science for hungry people." is still not funny to me. :( Just don't get it.
Funny and t-shirt-able are not the same thing. There isn't much room on a shirt so you can't put the whole joke on it and just sticking a punchline there confuses people. The true art of the t-shirt is the pithy one-liner, funny or otherwise.
Most frequently favoured are cultural references (endless variants on "I see <category> people" for instance) and simple truisms. Like this one.
As for why it works in a comic context; it was accompanied by Hanners being adorable. There isn't much that wouldn't work with Hannelore being cute as an accompaniment.
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Did anyone call a possible Marigold/Dale hookup? (Hey, he's like, one of the first guys she's talked to and hasn't stuttered her face off. Guess her WoW stuff overrides the social-interaction fear?)
I don't know if someone called it, but it could so definitely happen. I mean come on, it happened in The Guild (they even play the same game. a rose by any other name, and all that), it happened in macross (the blue hair dude and the alien pilot girl), or "i had reach, she had flexibility" if you will.
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"Baking is like science for hungry people." is still not funny to me. :( Just don't get it.
Funny and t-shirt-able are not the same thing. There isn't much room on a shirt so you can't put the whole joke on it and just sticking a punchline there confuses people. The true art of the t-shirt is the pithy one-liner, funny or otherwise.
Most frequently favoured are cultural references (endless variants on "I see <category> people" for instance) and simple truisms. Like this one.
As for why it works in a comic context; it was accompanied by Hanners being adorable. There isn't much that wouldn't work with Hannelore being cute as an accompaniment.
I disagree. Funny and t-shirt-able can very much be the same thing. Examples: In soviet Russia, Blocks build you! (http://sale.images.woot.com/Blocks_Build_YouvxhDetail.png) Rock Paper Scissors (http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/The_man_who_ended_the_warlz7Detail.png) (of course, I don't expect everyone to think those are funny, but everyone can agree they make *sense*, even in their quirkiness) And here's a 'one liner':
Apathy (http://www.threadless.com/product/2323/Apathy_Our_Country_s_Leading_Cause_of_Whatever)
I have a figurative hard-on for tee design. There are many ways to master the front of a shirt, and one of them *is* a pithy one-liner. This, however, is neither filled with meaning or particularly funny(without Hanner's context).
And AH! Here's where we arrive at I-shut-my-mouth-and-get-off-my-rickety-soapbox station. Because mostly only comic-readers are going to buy this shirt anyway, which means all of *them* will understand why it's funny. : P
And on topic, I'm hoping for some sparks with Dale, though not before Marigold gains some insight/blossoms a bit.
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That dude?, come on there's a warrant out for him!
Oh cummon, you know damned well he was framed because he kept exposing that idiot de Rainault and his even more moronic sidekick Gisburne for the greedy bastards they are!