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What listening is required in the hopes of gaining any understanding of punk?
The hope is that this thread results not in a favorite band list, but rather in a collection of movement-defining bands that made good music form which one can jump into even better (if, of course, there is any. Sometimes there isn't.)
Including decent justification is a plus. Calling others on sucky justifications--also a plus.
The Ramones--drew the rough edges and presented the first big name of punk.
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In no particular order:
The Stooges, The Stranglers, X-Ray Spex, Bad Brains, The New York Dolls, Dead Kennedys, The Sex Pistols, Television, The Clash, Cock Sparrer, Black Flag, The Voidoids, Crass, The Misfits, Stiff Little Fingers, Angelic Upstarts, The Anti-Nowhere League, Blondie, The Damned, The Meteors, Siouxsie & The Banshees, New Model Army.
That'll keep you busy.
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Wow, this could be a tough one…my list would go something like this:
The Clash
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion
Minor Threat
Operation Ivy
NOFX
Dropkick Murphy’s
Rancid
I think that covers most of the major sub-genres of punk with the best known band that defines that particular style.
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In addition to the Stooges I'd suggest listening to the Modern Lovers' first (self-titled) album, and also checking out the M.C.5. They could all be considered significant proto-punk bands. As for personal favourites, most of mine have been mentioned already. If you're interested in American west coast punk then you should check out X, especially their first couple of albums: Los Angeles and Wild Gift.
In terms of the original 1970s punk movement, you kind of have to ask yourself: are you interested in punk as a musical style, or as an artistic statement? Your answer to that question will probably lead you to either the English (for the former) or the American (for the latter) punk scenes. Personally I think the more interesting bands generally came out of the American scene, and while we may these days struggle to identify them as "punk" per se, bands and artists like Television, Talking Heads, and Patti Smith were all highly important in that scene and all made great music, too. If you're interested in how a punk attitude can be applied to other musical styles, check out the Pogues (Irish folk music meets English punk), especially their first couple of albums.
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Fugazi. Influential in both the punk and indie rock genres.
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Mission of Burma
Joy Division
The Fall
Wire
Gang of Four
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A good list so far, listen to the thermals as well. As far as I can tell, tey are as close as anyone is getting to great punk at the moment... (feel free to enlighten me)
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listen to the thermals as well.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
Sorry, but The Thermals are sickeningly poppy and derivative. Bad in the first degree. Listen to Hot Snakes instead.
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This is difficult in many ways. For one thing, when you say 'understanding of punk', do you mean the history of punk, the structure of punk, the lifestyle associated with punk, or the general lyrical/musical thrust of the music nowadays?
I'm going to compose this list, rather than as an overview of punk, more as a 'beginner's introduction to punk'
If what you're looking to do is introduce a new person to Punk, there are several more modern variations you can use as kind of a feeder to get them to understand the older bands, and these are:
-Street Punk
-Ska Punk
-Punk Rock/ Pop Punk
Depending on the type of person you are letting hear the music changes the type you want to get them to listen to. For example, someone who listens to Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, or Hard Rock would probably most easily associate with Street Punk, while someone into Pop, Emo, or Dance would more easily be swayed by the Pop Punk and Punk Rock varieties. A few examples of each include:
Street Punk- The Briefs, Anti Flag, The Bastards
Ska Punk- Less Than Jake, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Rancid, some older No Doubt
Punk Rock/Pop Punk- Sum 41, Bowling for Soup, Green Day
Most of the bands in the above listing are easy to find and have at least some amount of mainstream commercial success, but there are many others within those genres that would work just as well.
Once you've got them hooked, you can stop worrying so much about genre restrictions and go all out. At the next stage, you may still want some mainstream recognition, but you don't have to worry about as mainstream a sound any more, so some bands I would recommend:
Bad Religion, Pennywise, Flogging Molly, Millencollin, Offspring, Sublime, etc.
These bands still have a certain amount of crossover success, but in some cases these groups are less accessible than the recommended 'starters' unless you already have a certain love for punk and/or alternative music.
Next, we step once more backwards, going into the '80s, when we get the more 'new wave' sound going for most punk, but it is still needed to understand a lot of the oldest music. However, depending on the earlier used bands, skipping this step may be advised as many will see it as a 'step back', so to speak, on the lesson in punk.
Talking Heads, Devo, The Cure, Blondie, etc.
NOW, the granddaddies. By this time, they will either appreciate the music or not. These are the standards every punk musician should worship at the idols of, and the list is extensive. I'll stick to three or four examples, though.
Sex Pistols, The Clash, Iggy Pop, Toy Dolls, X, etc.
And, that should pretty well make anybody a convert to punk. Then again, I could make another progression using Folk Punk or Cowpunk to convert those poor souls who listen to country, but I think I'll be flamed enough for the recommendations I've already made.
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Have you read the book Please Kill Me: An Oral History Of Punk by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain yet?
That's the best way to get an understanding of punk.
Richard Hell & The Heartbreakers are pretty ace too.
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LOVE COMES IN!
SPUURRRRRRRRRTSSSSS
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FUCK. I knew I was forgetting someone!
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Guys, stop talking about post-punk bands. Great as Joy Division, The Fall, Gang of Four, The Cure, Devo and whatnot are, they aren't exactly crucial to understanding punk. For understanding how punk influenced other things, yes.
Also, mentioning bands like NOFX, Bowling For Soup and Pennywise in the same thread as the Ramones, The Stooges and The Anti-Nowhere League is absolutely sickening and should in no way be allowed.
Man, yeah, I forgot the Heartbreakers. But I did mention the Voidoids. Tbh I get confused between the two half the time.
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JD I think we can allow. A song like "Transmission" is pretty punky.
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JD started out as a punk band (think more songs like Warsaw and Interzone) but I don't think what they did in their punk stage was particularly seminal or noteworthy, execept for how it relates to what they became and what came after them.
Also, tbh I'd consider Transmission to maybe be an archetypical post-punk song.
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nomeansno are generally credited with alot of the creation of math rock while still managing to play solid punk, most people say wrong is their best album but i would personally recomend 0 + 2 = 1
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My advice to you: buy a Nuggets anthology. If you're interested in where punk came from, these things are a treasure trove. Minutemen's Double Nickels on the Dime will give you hours of fun too.
Then we move into Television,
In Britain, I think the post-Punk movement was the most interesting era with bands like Magazine, Gang of Four, Public Image Limited and the Pop Group.
Never understood how Television could be classed as punk. Too light and ephemeral sounding, even with Hell's influence and Verlaine's vocals.
Yeah, post-punk bands tend to have aged far better than the first wave. The pistols have aged like milk in the sun.
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I think it's safe to call Television a proto-punk band.
Whatever you want to call them, they were a good band and they influenced some major Punk and indie artists.
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Nofx were the band that got me into punk, and are still one of my favorites. I guess i fail at life, khar? Anyway, dude needs to check out cock sparrer.
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I don't listen to a lot of Punk but seriously I adore Refused, fucking awesome stuff. One of the few '90's punk bands I really like. Maybe not essential to understanding punk but good stuff anyway.
Aside from that I enjoy The Clash, The Fall and The Misfits. Some of those bands are probably not strictly 100% punk, I enjoy them though and hell thats what counts.
Does DRI count as punk? probably not I enjoy them as well.
I'm not such a fan of Bad religon, NOFX etc, dunno why it just doesn't do much for me
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DRI were hard core for the first two albums and then got classified as "cross-over" from thrashzone onwards...apparantly that means i hybrid of hardcore and thrash
remind me what metalcore define themselves as again
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Everyone needs to hear 'Marquee Moon'.
Also, DRI are cute.
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remind me what metalcore define themselves as again
A load shitter than crossover.
Also, the first crossover punk band was Motorhead, and if you disagree with me we can fight it out with fists and Doc Martens.
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The second wave of American punk I wouldn't give a damn for except for the Germs and X.
Not sure when you're dating the first wave of American punk, but I'd put X in there: Los Angeles was first released in the U.S. in 1979. Unless you're counting bands such as the Stooges and the Modern Lovers as the first wave, but I'd classify them more as pre- or proto-punk.
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Have you read the book Please Kill Me: An Oral History Of Punk by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain yet?
That's the best way to get an understanding of punk.
Great book. I always recommend it in punk conversations.
Listen to old surf and garage, then listen to MC5, then listen to the Stooges, then the Ramones, then the Sex Pistols, then the Clash,then the new stuff.
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Start with the 60s garage bands like the Monks, The Sonics, the Wailers, the Kingsmen, 13 Floor Elevators, Chocolate Watchband, the Trashmen etc
Also listen to the Kinks, Beatles, Yardbirds, early Rolling Stone The Who etc
Now move onto the proto-punk. Here you will find a ton of great bands/artist; all different but equally important to the movement. Velvet Underground, Patti Smith, the Stooges, Television, MC5, Mott the Hoople, David Bowie, New York Dolls etc.
To get into the experimental side of punk, start with Syd Barrett, Captain Beefheart Jonathan Richman.
For American punk rock start with the Ramones.
Then move onto the Clash, Buzzcocks, The Damned, The Jam etc
Public Image Ltd, Husker Du, Gang of Four, Wire, Minutemen, Replacements
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Also, mentioning bands like NOFX, Bowling For Soup and Pennywise in the same thread as the Ramones, The Stooges and The Anti-Nowhere League is absolutely sickening and should in no way be allowed.
I disagree. While none of the bands you mentioned are "classic" punk rock bands you intially suggested, like it or not they did redefine what punk was. By your reasoning, someone asking about "rock" music would listen to Chuck Berry, Bill Haley, Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis while disregarding later bands like the Rolling Stones.
Off topic, did anyone else find it disturbing when NOFX started to sound like the bands that were trying to sound like NOFX?
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Khar was more refering to the fact that bands like NOFX, Bowling For Soup, and Pennywise are pretty dire, whereas The Ramones, The Stooges, and The Anti-Nowhere League are pretty excellent.
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seriously pennywise are balls
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like it or not they did redefine what punk was.
If so, what they redefined it as was 'shit'. They were also all rip-offs of Bad Religion to some extent. And Bad Religion were/are only minorly better.
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I continue to disagree with the general opinion expressed on the relative merits of Pennywise and NOFX.
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And I am sure you are the coolest kid in your high school class.
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I have Punk In Drublic. I also have a ton of other NOFX albums. I don't listen to them much anymore. I wouldn't really call them an integral part of punk, but they have a bit of influence. Either I haven't listened to enough punk or something, but I have yet to hear a band that sounds exactly like them. :|
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned The Gun Club yet. Fire of Love is one of the absolute best early-80s punk albums ever created.
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Kai, fuck you. I wanted to use that comic.
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On the subject of NOFX has anyone heard that Decline song they did? I wasn't a fan of the music but I thought the lyrics were really well done. One of my good friends in high school were into all those bands (NOFX Bad Religion Pennywise ,AFI etc...), these days he listens to almost nothing except Kraftwerk, The Smiths and Joy Division it's strange like he's personality changed overnight one day or something.
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All eighteen minutes of "The Decline" are the best argument for NOFX.
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One of my good friends in high school were into all those bands (NOFX Bad Religion Pennywise ,AFI etc...), these days he listens to almost nothing except Kraftwerk, The Smiths and Joy Division it's strange like he's personality changed overnight one day or something.
It sounds like he grew some taste.
(I still like old Bad Religion, though.)
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All eighteen minutes of "The Decline" are the best argument for NOFX.
Not too mention the way the record is pressed is pretty cool as well, it's like molded into the shape of the sleeve cover kind of gimicky but also very cool, I think it's done in clear vinyl or something.
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There's been so many suggestions here that I've not read them. But if no-one's mentioned the MC5's Kick Out The Jams yet, I highly recommend it.
Once you have a foundation in punk, I suggest you get Refused's The Shape Of Punk To Come.
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Alright, here's the whole NOFX/Propagandhi thing: Fat Mike asked them to be on his craptastic compilation "Rock Against Bush." They said they would as long as Fat Mike knew that they hated both candidates. Now Fat Mike was in cahoots with this billionaire named George Serose who (in Fat Mike's words) ". . . makes his money screwing over third-world countries. . ." Now that's some pretty shady business right there. Anyway, George Serose hates Bush too so he was going to have his company send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails advertising Rock Against Bush (essentially spamming). When Propagandhi sent in their song they insisted that next to it on the track list on the back of the album it would say "This message not brought to you by George Serose." Fat Mike declined and refused to let them be on the album. So basically Fat Mike chose to be loyal to a character almost as (if not more) bad as Bush rather than a band he had been friends with for well over ten years.
On Propagandhi's most recent album, "Potemkin City Limits," which kicks the shit out of anything ever released by NOFX they have a song called "Rock For Sustainable Capitalism" which references (among other things) what a hypocrite Fat Mike is.
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I think things pre-1980 have been very well covered. But there are a fair few things after that I think merit some investigation if you were to get a really good handle on punk rock as a whole.
Emo - Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, (early) The Promise Ring and Braid will give a nice overview of the chest-tapping style. Think hardcore guys starting to make indie rock but with the same kind of aesthetic.
Screamo - Different enough from the above emo bands to warrant some recommendations on its own. Orchid, Mohinder, Love Lost But Not Forgotten and La Quiete (for the contemporary feel) are good examples. Screamo's basically what happens when emo dudes decide to get all hardcore again, write songs about police brutality and cultural theory and realise that grindcore is dead good.
Grindcore - It is dead good. Listen to Napalm Death (not much of a fan myself but you can't ignore them) and Discordance Axis. Very fast, very angry.
Powerviolence - Spazz, Despise You and Man Is The Bastard are all you need.
Thrash - Play fast, eh? Listen to D.S.-13, Voorhees, Urko, Scholastic Deth, Limp Wrist and Out Cold.
Youth Crew - Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today for the old school and Ten Yard Fight and In My Eyes for the revival. Positivity, gang vocals, lifting weights and never drinking. Good stuff.
Metalcore - Chug is not a crime. Acme, Converge, Skycamefalling and Thirty Seconds Until Armageddon are all amazing. Think bitterness, veganism and lots of Belgians being deadly serious.
Crust - Amebix and Antisect are generally regarded as the classics, but personally I have much more time for Antischism, His Hero Is Gone, Tragedy, Doom and Anti-Product. This stuff's not worth bothering with if you're averse to squats, feminists and really pissed-off anarchists.
Pop Punk - I think some of the examples that have been given for this have been a bit weak, it's not all about Epitaph and Fat Wreck, especially not these days. The Descendents are great but actually with this style I always think labels like Lookout, Snuffy Smile, Crackle! and No Idea are more important than the individual bands.
Discore - I love the fact that there's an entire genre devoted to sounding as much like Discharge as possible. To be honest though Discharge are the only band really worth bothering with.
Noise Rock - Unsane, The Jesus Lizard, AIDS Wolf, XBXRX, Melt-Banana, Trencher, Lightning Bolt... okay, noise rock's not the best term for this kind of thing but it all sort of fits together, it's all good and it's all very definitely punk.
Folk-Punk - Punks with acoustic guitars and vegan baking. Ghost Mice, Defiance Ohio, This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb and Rumbleseat are all you'll need.
I'm probably missing out a vast amount but that'll do for now.
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You used the term 'folk-punk' and failed to mention New Model Army? FOR SHAME. FOR SHAME.
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A ctrl+f of this thread did not show any mention of Jawbreaker.
I feel as if I needed to change that.
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Lawrence arms, you fucking cunts.
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There's a handful of "classic" 'Punk" "bands" that are supposedly "good" but are actually a hodge of shite in my books -
Bad Religion
NOFX
Pennywise
Suicidal Tendencies
The Exploited
Sham 69
Literally every Ska-influenced "Punk" band.
Give them a very wide berth.
dude, no one thinks pennywise is classic.
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Drunk khar thinks everyone should stop talking about shit bands. Drunk khar would also like to know when Suicidal Tendencies were ever punk.
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As would sober shane.
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Ghost Mice, This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb
Both of these bands played shows about five minutes from my house. I missed both shows. Apparently they were good. I did however catch the Two Man Gentlemen Band.
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Reinventing Axl Rose
Altough it has been kinda damaged :-(, it is still quite a sincere song depicting the foundation.. and whatnot.
Oh right, - hi!
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i agree with everything khar has said thus far and you all should have stopped talking after his first post. he basically covered it.
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Not really punk, but I like Suicidal Tendencies sometimes.
Not nearly as much as I like Infectious Grooves, though. Those skits are classic.
"How about Third World Lover, have ya heard of them?! What about my hit single, 'Whipped Cream'?!"
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i agree with everything khar has said thus far and you all should have stopped talking after his first post. he basically covered it.
Would you like to jack him off now? Or perhaps just a submissive squeal of admiration will do. Way to totally suck up without even being discreet about it.
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The foundation of Punk is having this image in your head at all times: a shirtless Iggy Pop fist fighting Lester Bangs while Lou Reed, the ostensible referee of this bout, nods off in the corner with the condom he used to tie off still stuck around his arm.
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Would you like to jack him off now? Or perhaps just a submissive squeal of admiration will do. Way to totally suck up without even being discreet about it.
A simple, discreet rimjob would be fine.
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You used the term 'folk-punk' and failed to mention New Model Army? FOR SHAME. FOR SHAME.
That is a fair bit of an oversight, they're pretty bloody influential. But I also missed out melodic hardcore, which is one of my favourite things ever.
Melodic Hardcore - Kid Dynamite, Fig 4.0, Imbalance, The Dauntless Elite... This stuff basically does what it says on the tin. Catchy songs you can dance to.
Drunk khar would also like to know when Suicidal Tendencies were ever punk.
Ever heard their first record? It's a hardcore album. I'm not too familiar with the rest of their career (since the little I have heard didn't grab me) but Institutionalized and I Shot The Devil have been hardcore standards since they were first released. There really isn't any even vaguely good argument for that album not being punk.
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How would Social Distortion fit in here? Apparently, Mike Ness is one bad ass dude. :|
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Would you like to jack him off now? Or perhaps just a submissive squeal of admiration will do. Way to totally suck up without even being discreet about it.
A simple, discreet rimjob would be fine.
I mean, if you're into that, I guess. Really, it's between you two, though.
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The Promise Ring
He's gonna be confused if he picks up Wood/Water first.
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If what you're looking to do is introduce a new person to Punk, there are several more modern variations you can use as kind of a feeder to get them to understand the older bands, and these are:
-Street Punk
-Ska Punk
-Punk Rock/ Pop Punk
A few examples of each include:
Street Punk- The Briefs, Anti Flag, The Bastards
Ska Punk- Less Than Jake, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Rancid, some older No Doubt
Punk Rock/Pop Punk- Sum 41, Bowling for Soup, Green Day
Once you've got them hooked, you can stop worrying so much about genre restrictions and go all out. At the next stage, you may still want some mainstream recognition, but you don't have to worry about as mainstream a sound any more, so some bands I would recommend:
Bad Religion, Pennywise, Flogging Molly, Millencollin, Offspring, Sublime, etc.
Oh God, this part made me want to cry. This is like a correction they publish in the paper when people fuck up with someone's obituary or something:
Ska-Punk: MU330, The Chinkees, The Toasters, Planet Smashers, KING APPARATUS, The Johnstones.
Pop-punk/"Contemporary Punk": Descendents, The Methadones, Alkaline Trio, The Riverdales, The Broadways, The Lawrence Arms, Teenage Bottlerocket, Screaching Weasel, later Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music.
Dance/Noise-punk: Les Savy Fav, Drive Like Jehu, Q and not U, The Jesus Lizard.
Alt-punk/Awesomeness: Jawbox, Shellac, Rye Coalition, McLusky, Pitchfork, Shiner, Unwound, Burning Airlines, The Honor System.
Blank-core: The Bronx, Blood Brothers, early Thrice, Small Brown Bike.
80's punk: Cramps, The Dwarves, Misfits, The Jam, 7 Seconds.
EDIT: Also, am I the only lady commenting in this thread??
I leave on this note: Dudes! Pop-punk can be great! Don't follow the lameness of mainstream media's interpretation of one of my favourite genres!
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guys I am on a roll
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Why would he be a hologram? :? :oops: :cry:
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A ctrl+f of this thread did not show any mention of Jawbreaker.
I feel as if I needed to change that.
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I love Mitch Clem.
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I'd also like to mention the ever increasing genre of synthpunk and electropunk.
Bands like The Epoxies, Error, The Faint and Sex Positions.
Pretty much all using synthesizers and so on to add to the punk sound. The Epoxies and The Faint tend to be more poppy. Error is more or less similar to glitchcore but a bit more melodic and structured (I realise that essentially cancels the glitchcore comparison). Sex Positions is essentially hardcore punk with sampled effects and modified vocals.
Someone earlier mentioned "discore". I believe they were referring to was D-beat. Bands inspired by Discharge who attempt to mimic their signature drumbeat and have similar styles and themes. I wouldn't write this whole genre off, there's plenty of awesome D-beat bands. I'd recommend Discharge, Disfear, Diskonto and Skitsystem.
Then you've got the whole field of Crust punk/crust hardcore bands that were mentioned. Generally they're very distorted and highly political. A lot of older crust bands were squatters but a lot of modern bands are just regular punks who are heavily political and into crust. I would recommend crust hardcore bands: Tragedy, From Ashes Rise, His Hero Is Gone, Asschapel and Schifosi. What differentiates these sort of bands from others is the fact that they're all intensely melodic but also very heavy. Most of them have an obvious punk and thrash influence.
Here's some links
http://www.myspace.com/fromashesrise
http://www.myspace.com/schifosi
http://www.myspace.com/asschapel (Seem to have gone much more thrash...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_beat
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Oops. I'm always doing that, when see the word d-beat I think of the drumbeat and forget it's what the genre's actually called. Also, totally seconded on Error.
I completely forgot to mention riot grrl. Now that's a hell of an oversight, Heavens To Betsy, Bikini Kill and Huggy Bear are all essential punk bands.
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Here are a few more that I'm not quite sure of:
The Bouncing Souls
Agnostic Front
Good Riddance
Black Flag
No Use for a Name
I second the Alkaline Trio.
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Operation Ivy is so bad. Fuck them.
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ARMY OF BABYLON
YOUNG AL CAPONE YEAH
ARMY OF BABYLON
YOUNG AL CAPONE YEAH
....this gives me an idea for a Clap Your Hands Say Yeah cover band who dress up like 30s gangsters.
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So . . . how many bands and genres have been suggested up to this point? In my mind, I now call this thread "Operation: bankrupt Soidanae."
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Rasufelle, you are dead wrong. There is no path to understanding punk music which runs less than 20 miles away from Green Day. I'm just glad you didn't mention A New Found Glory.
I've seen Rye Coalition live. They were alright.
I seem to like Alkaline Trio's newer stuff (Good Mourning, Crimson) more. Is this wrong?
I would also like to mention that I saw Television live yesterday. I think everyone in the crowd, myself included, nearly came when Tom started playing Venus. Marquee Moon was equally amazing.
That is all.
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I can't believe the thread has gone this long without mentioning The Runaways.
Also: Bratmobile.
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I would also like to mention that I saw Television live yesterday. I think everyone in the crowd, myself included, nearly came when Tom started playing Venus. Marquee Moon was equally amazing.
I genuinely forgot they were alive.
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They've been out of the public eye for a while. Yesterday was supposed to be Richard Lloyd's last performance with the rest of the band but he came down with pneumonia and wasn't there.
Tom Verlaine looks pretty good. 'Scuse the heads; the SummerStage space was packed like a sardine can.
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Ballard, you homework is still not in my inbox
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Why would anyone listen to Suicidal Tendencies when Municipal Waste does the same thing about a billion times better?
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I've seen Rye Coalition live. They were alright.
I seem to like Alkaline Trio's newer stuff (Good Mourning, Crimson) more. Is this wrong?
Very wrong. So wrong that you're the wrongest man in wrong town. I saw Rye Coalition when I was 17, I think. I had a great time.
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I think now is a great time to mention The Exploding Hearts.
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If this thread was about power pop, then you would be right!
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I've always thought of them as a very successful combination of punk and powerpop.
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oh man, i knew there was another one
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Wizo were great.
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I am a big fan of the early punk leading ladies. Namely Siouxsie Sioux (from Siouxsie and the Banshees), Poly Styrene (Xray Spex), and Ari Up (The Slits). I have this thing about awesome girl singers.
I saw the Slits earlier this year when they came to Australia, it was pretty great ^_^
Also, props to whoever it was who mentioned the Gun Club, I was afraid I was going to have to do it.
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The "foundation" of punk is going to be tricky to give but, some of the posts have done a pretty good job. If you want to you can trace it back as far as the 60s with bands like MC5 and The Velvet Underground. Then the Stooges. I suppose you should listen to the Ramones just because. Fuck the Sex Pistols because they were a sham. The Clash were pretty fucking great until Combat Rock. The Dead Kennedy's rocked harder than almost any punk band of the time. Some of Bad Religion's stuff was alright but, not much lately. Fugazi is essential listening because of their broad influence on modern independent music.
A bunch of people are talking about NOFX and bullshit like that. Well, all I can say is fuck NOFX and, fuck Pennywise too while you're at it. There's no point in listening to that shit. I'm not sure what you can possibly get out of it unless you're 13. (If you're 13 you can like these bands) Somebody mentioned Refused, who were around during part of NOFX's and Pennywise's lifetimes but didn't make shitty music.