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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: pentaen on 22 Sep 2007, 12:45
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i know its true but not why, does anyone have a theory?
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The reptilian overlords say so, therefore it must be true.
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this is too good.
what is your definition of 'popular'?
if you mean 'top 40', then isn't it obvious?
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no, not really.
I know a bunch of excellent top 40 music.
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fuck you
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It's a good general rule that 98% of ANYTHING sucks.
There is good hip-hop being produced these days... you're just not hearing it because Kanye West is too busy recycling Daft Punk songs and clogging up the ariwaves.
Heard of K-Os (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=19244675) before? I don't know how much (if any) play he gets outside of Canada, but he put out the only hip-hop CD I bought last year and it's great. If you ask him, he'll agree with you... modern rap is in a terrible state.
But y'know, so is the rest of popular music, so get over it or learn to love Nickelback.
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my top 40 is worse than your top 40.
my dad can also beat up your dad.
and I sleep less than you!
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Tommy, I agree 100% on the comment you made about sampling these days. Lazy is the exact right word for it.
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I dunno, I can't really listen to Public Enemy. Flavor Flav really, really gets on my nerves.
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Are you guys talking about that music with black people in it?
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i know its true but not why, does anyone have a theory?
You're an idiot. Next time you cross the road, don't bother looking.
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I am still in touch with Hip-Hop.
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I think the evidence that the OP is wrong can be found in the delightful works of Fatman Scoop. I consider him to be the Andrew W.K. of Hiphop. His music is pretty mediocre, but he has an infectious enthusiasm for what he is doing that is like crack cocaine for my arse.
Oh god I have been working at shitty nightclubs for way too long now.
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Why not explain why he is wrong?
Because the post was a clear indication of someone who has already closed their mind off to modern rap being any good and anything any of us says is not going to make him give it a second chance, buy any of the records, or change his opinion. It appears to me that way at least, and it also appears to me that he only started this thread so that more of us - a group of people that is generally assumed to be exclusively indie hipsters who will only listen to things you've never heard of, only on vinyl - will come in and bash modern rap.
I have to go right now, but I will gladly come back at a later point and I explain the merits of modern/mainstream rap, regardless of what his definition of that is. Although going on his apparent opinion of it, he probably meant 'all rap' and just didn't want to say that.
By the way, Mr. OP, feel free to contradict me or disagree, or show that I'm wrong about any of my assumptions here.
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I don't get these threads.
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Personally, the thing that gets me about all of the modern hip-hop I hear is the samples are really lazy. I don't like the co-opting of entire choruses or taking several chunks from the same song. Back in the 80s, sampling was done creatively using bits and pieces from many different songs. Now it seems to be common to produce a rudimentary beat and then mercilessly steal from one song.
Chuck D's said before that is would simply be impossible to make a record like Fear Of A Black Planet now, since you'd never be able to get clearance for all of those samples. They've really clamped down on sampling over the past few years to the extent of pressing plants being told they'll be held culpable for unauthorised samples on records made by them. So DJ's have now either turned to sampling a lot from one source (it's easier and cheaper to clear that) or looking for material that's out of copyright they can use. Not that this excuses laziness or boring songs, but it does explain why we'll probably never hear another record with that manic fury Public Enemy's early records had.
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this thread is only going to make me upset, maybe later I'll post some songs disproving your statement.
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i know its true but not why, does anyone have a theory?
If you don't like Fishscale, you're probably not a hip hop fan. If you haven't listened to Fishcale, you're probably not a hip hop fan. In fact, you're just probably not a hip hop fan. So, go listen to something you enjoy. And stop posting.
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i have never said i dont like hiphop, i am actualy a big fan of it, i am talking about POPULAR rap and hiphop, and last i checked i dont see Fishscale lining the shelves of my local record store...
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Rap music is bad?
Have i missed something?
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i have never said i dont like hiphop, i am actualy a big fan of it, i am talking about POPULAR rap and hiphop, and last i checked i dont see Fishscale lining the shelves of my local record store...
Roots Manuva is pretty damn popular, he's won a MOBO and been nominated for the Mercury music prize for 'Run Come Save Me'.
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i have never said i dont like hiphop, i am actualy a big fan of it, i am talking about POPULAR rap and hiphop, and last i checked i dont see Fishscale lining the shelves of my local record store...
The single "Back Like That" reached #14 on the US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, while "Be Easy" reached #91 on the same chart. The LP sold about 110,000 units in first week, debuting at #4 on the Billboard 200 and #2 on the Top Rap/R&B Albums chart.
I think this qualifies as 'popular'.
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This is my favorite rap cd ever. Its a collaboration between Madlib and Mf Doom. Madlib samples everything (even Street Fighter!) and MF Doom is a genius on the mic.
Tommy, I really think this is what you are looking for, so if you want it here it is.
http://www.mediafire.com/?d2lngmmmyb2
I got the link from http://sonofskybike.blogspot.com/ (http://sonofskybike.blogspot.com/). I just found it but there is some neat stuff upped there.
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I'd like to take this opportunity to shamelessly plug for Buck 65, a Nova Scotian MC whose stuff I've put up on the Sendspace thread but it's expired now. He'd probably be lumped in with "old school" leaning hip hop, and his early records fit this description, but his last few albums have a heavy folk and country influence and have more of a talking blues feel to them. He's got a gravelly voice and he's been compared to Tom Waits, but I think that's way too high praise, even as much as I love the guy. Still, his story-songs are his best work. He got in some shit for telling Kerrang! that he thought hip hop was less relevant musically than other genres a few years back, but apparently he was taken out of context. His next record's coming out October 30th on his friend Sage Francis' label and will likely be a return to a more traditionally hip-hop oriented sound.
Here's a track he streams off his site (http://www.buck65.com/secrethouse/audio/dirtywork/05_DirtyWork.mp3). He used to have a 2-track, 30 minute "mixtape" up for free on his site, but it's not there now, so I'll upload it to Sendspace here soon. For the moment he's got a different EP up for free download under "Show and Tell". I love this stuff.
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Ghostface? ...Anyone?
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Ghostface? ...Anyone?
Definitely.
Here be Buck 65's Strong Arm mixtape (http://www.sendspace.com/file/a0s2b7), as promised. Side 2 is the better one, in my opinion.
Also, new song (http://www.aolcdn.com/_media/ch_music/buck-65-shutter_buggin.mp3). Sort of odd.
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Does it suck though? I wouldn't know. For ages people had lots of good stuff to say about Kanye West but I finally heard him recently and I was disappointed. I don't understand his appeal. I assume the really great hip-hop has moved off the radar, much like the good rock music did in the 80s.
So not a fan of Graduation? It's really grown on me. I think too much attention is being spent on Stronger, and not enough on the stronger tracks in the album, like Can't Tell Me Nothing or Homecoming. I'd be interested to hear more about what you find lacking in the album.
I am going to issue a challenge here because I fully believe there is some great hip-hop out there and I am just missing it. Can anyone recommend anything that wouldn't seem frivolous next to early Public Enemy? I get the feeling it's a bit like looking for Hardcore that is as good as Minor Threat. Few and far between.
Check out, just for starts:
anticon. (especially Subtle -- For Hero For Fool)
Spank Rock -- Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo
Jurassic Five -- Quality Control AND Power In Numbers
UGK -- Underground Kingz
Aesop Rock -- Music For Earthworms
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Well i really like the Beastie Boys, at least there early stuff. When i was 13-14 i didn't really listen to anythin but rap and was spurned by just about everyone i know, then i bought Velvet Underground and Nico and just gradually moved away from what i saw at the time as a fairly limited genre. Now the guys i listened to were all crap- but i'm sure there's a ton of good stuff out there. I'm gonna go grab some Public Enemy, cause i been meanin to check em out for a while.
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ROCK.
THIS PARTY.
DANCE, EVERYBODY
MAKE IT HOT IN THIS PARTY
EVERYBODY DANCE NOW
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http://www.triplejunearthed.com/GetFile/25833/Unleash%20the%20Nugget%20-%20Bomb%20Diggity.mp3
well this is my favorite hip-hop song and it was very popular on the tipple j unearthed website so can i challenge your theory or are we using sucinctly your definition of popular?
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So not a fan of Graduation? It's really grown on me. I think too much attention is being spent on Stronger, and not enough on the stronger tracks in the album, like Can't Tell Me Nothing or Homecoming. I'd be interested to hear more about what you find lacking in the album.
I actually kind of like that song, not so much for the lyrics (all Kanye West lyrics piss me off), but for the fact that it's a decent sampling of daft punk. It might be lazy because it's just one song that it's sampled from, and usually hip-hop sampling good songs upsets me, but I think he did a really good job there.
All in all, his music is good, but he is a douche.
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For some reason my school felt the need to play Kanye Wests 'Stronger' multiple times at our homecoming. The song grew on me after the 4th time I heard it plated in three hours, but after hearing it and actually listening to the lyrics...I really didn't like it (Same with Jesus Walks). He just sounds way to arrogant. Diamonds From Sierra Leone is still a good song, but it's not popular anymore so I guess this thread wouldn't cover it.
Songs like 'Crank That' 'Bartender' and 'This Is Why I'm Hot' in the really popular mainstream rap genre also make people think rap sucks. Because those songs do. Simple repetitive lyrics with a mediocre dance beat. Sure it's ok for a crappy high school dance, but they aren't songs people will likely remember a couple years from now. And they grow old to fast. I'm not saying all rap and hip hop sucks, just a lot of mainstream does (at the moment). Maybe it will change though.
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Ghostface? ...Anyone?
fuck yes
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I can't claim to dislike particular albums because I haven't heard them. I just don't like his flow or his voice and I think he is thoroughly self-absorbed. I can understand why people like him and I'm not saying he is a bad rapper, he just isn't my thing at all.
These are all valid. Kanye has a borderline-nasally lisp, a flow that isn't particularly novel in any single area and he has an ego which exhibits its own gravity.
I still like him, but these are fair points.
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i have never said i dont like hiphop, i am actualy a big fan of it, i am talking about POPULAR rap and hiphop, and last i checked i dont see Fishscale lining the shelves of my local record store...
So what you ACTUALLY mean is you don't like, for example, 50 Cent, artists who can barely rap, use generic samples and generally make the whole genre look bad. You can define popular, or mainstream, or modern in so many ways that this is a somewhat pointless thread.
Kanye may not be the best rapper in the world, but I certainly like a lot of his sampling work. It gives a lot of his songs an epic, cinematic quality - like 'Diamonds From Sierra Leone' - that most rap doesn't have.
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There are so many so caled "hip-hopers" that are making the entire genre look bad, and sadly enough a lot of people are forgetting exactly how good the old school was, and still is! Grand Master Flex, Tupac, Dr. Dre, LL Cool J! But some of the best stuff, other than the greats, that is, is the underground stuff. I know of a local hip-hop group who a majority of is actually really good.
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I sat through Liquid Swords at Pitchfork this summer and wondered what I was missing. All it sounded like was every rap song I had heard on the radio for the past 10 years, only with lots of "Wutang ain't nuthin' to fuck with!!" calls and kung fu action movie samples. I may have imagined the latter. But still. I've honestly never heard a rap album that really gave me the same feeling and inspiration that jazz, folk, rock, electronica, funk, and pop do. Other than the Beastie Boys, but I know the response to the statement "the only rap I listen to is Beastie Boys" so let's skip it, yes??
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You can be assured that you did not imagine the kung-fu samples.
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PICK IT UP
PICK IT UP
PICK IT UP
BASS DROP
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Heard of K-Os (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=19244675) before? I don't know how much (if any) play he gets outside of Canada, but he put out the only hip-hop CD I bought last year and it's great. If you ask him, he'll agree with you... modern rap is in a terrible state.
I saw him this summer on Warped Tour, had a great set.
I'm disproving that modern rap sucks by suggesting that you guys listen to Busdriver and the dudes from Ramallah Underground (Boikutt and Stormtrap, though they both deliver e'rhymes in Arabic).
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mother-fucking GLUE!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Glue_secondsaway.jpg)
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The basis of this thread is flawed, you cannot prove anything "sucks" as sucking is a personal judgement.
It seems more like you want to say "I think Modern Popular Rap and Hip-Hop Sucks can people provide supporting arguments"
Anyway a generalisation like that is going to be flamed so i dont really see your purpose unless you want a random argument.
Ed.
Nb. Greetings all
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We don't have no lyrics, our message is nil
We hate all DJ's, they're making us ill
Whatever we tell you is meant to be crap
We hate all music and especially rap
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IF YOU LIKE TO HAVE SEX, GET YO HANDS UP
IF YOU'RE NOT A PLAYER HATER, GET YO HANDS UP IN THE AIR
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Honestly, you MUST listen to Saul Williams, I have no idea how popular he is, but the man is a fucking demon on the mic. SAUL WILLIAMS. He has some downloadables on his website. Go check it out!
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You can't prove an opinion. Unless it's something stupid like 'Breathing sucks, so I'm not gonna breathe.'
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For the record, I saw Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube perform live this spring and it was easily one of my favourite concerts of the calendar year. The performance was immaculate and the hits kept on coming.
So there goes your thesis, pal.
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Wait... who are you talking to?
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I sat through Liquid Swords at Pitchfork this summer and wondered what I was missing. All it sounded like was every rap song I had heard on the radio for the past 10 years, only with lots of "Wutang ain't nuthin' to fuck with!!" calls and kung fu action movie samples. I may have imagined the latter. But still. I've honestly never heard a rap album that really gave me the same feeling and inspiration that jazz, folk, rock, electronica, funk, and pop do. Other than the Beastie Boys, but I know the response to the statement "the only rap I listen to is Beastie Boys" so let's skip it, yes??
I have a similiar problem to this. I just don't like rap. Individual examples of rap range from actively annoying me to merely leaving me completely disinterested, and the thing is I can't really work out why. I like plenty of industrial bands that are pretty much just people talking over beats and samples, I don't have any prejudice against sampled music or spoken word as having 'no skill' (Hell, some of the stuff I listen to makes 50 Cent look like Mozart in that regard), and that just leaves me with the idea that its subconscious racism, though even that doesn't quite work as I quite enjoy reggae, old ska and dub in various degrees (the closest thing I own to a rap album is Roots Manuvas 'Dub Come Save Me', which I got on the reccomendation of someone here, and found a few songs on that made it worth keeping). The only thing I've ever managed to single out, bizarre as it sounds, is the beat. Perhaps if rap was four to the floor I would find more in it?
Though on the front of considering race, there is the fact that I grew up in probably one of the whitest places in the UK (There are very few black people on the Isle of Wight because, as far as I can tell, they simply can't be bothered, and I don't blame them. It's not like we have jobs or affordable housing) and that my life experience and tastes are probably about as diametrically opposed to the urban, American, black male, who seem to be the main (though obviously not sole) producers of rap music as is humanly possible without me actually being a home-schooled neo-nazi.
Abstract: I don't 'get' it.
Abstract of abstract: Rap sux lol.
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Wait... who are you talking to?
The original poster of this thread.
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I sat through Liquid Swords at Pitchfork this summer and wondered what I was missing. All it sounded like was every rap song I had heard on the radio for the past 10 years, only with lots of "Wutang ain't nuthin' to fuck with!!" calls and kung fu action movie samples. I may have imagined the latter. But still. I've honestly never heard a rap album that really gave me the same feeling and inspiration that jazz, folk, rock, electronica, funk, and pop do. Other than the Beastie Boys, but I know the response to the statement "the only rap I listen to is Beastie Boys" so let's skip it, yes??
I have a similiar problem to this. I just don't like rap. Individual examples of rap range from actively annoying me to merely leaving me completely disinterested, and the thing is I can't really work out why. I like plenty of industrial bands that are pretty much just people talking over beats and samples, I don't have any prejudice against sampled music or spoken word as having 'no skill' (Hell, some of the stuff I listen to makes 50 Cent look like Mozart in that regard), and that just leaves me with the idea that its subconscious racism, though even that doesn't quite work as I quite enjoy reggae, old ska and dub in various degrees (the closest thing I own to a rap album is Roots Manuvas 'Dub Come Save Me', which I got on the reccomendation of someone here, and found a few songs on that made it worth keeping). The only thing I've ever managed to single out, bizarre as it sounds, is the beat. Perhaps if rap was four to the floor I would find more in it?
Though on the front of considering race, there is the fact that I grew up in probably one of the whitest places in the UK (There are very few black people on the Isle of Wight because, as far as I can tell, they simply can't be bothered, and I don't blame them. It's not like we have jobs or affordable housing) and that my life experience and tastes are probably about as diametrically opposed to the urban, American, black male, who seem to be the main (though obviously not sole) producers of rap music as is humanly possible without me actually being a home-schooled neo-nazi.
Abstract: I don't 'get' it.
Abstract of abstract: Rap sux lol.
Hey, you have every right to not like rap.
But this thread is INSANELY annoying because it didn't even ask to be proved wrong, it asked to be proved right. This poster said, in a total generalisation, 'rap is shit' and didn't even put in the effort to do their own legwork and back it up wtih some proof - not that you can prove an opinion. It's just a close minded shit of a thread and there was no point in it.
Unless they were a troll, in which case - mission accomplished.
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It's a garbage notion to begin with because it's a blanket statement. Even making it specific it's still a blanket statement.
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I have a similiar problem to this. I just don't like rap. Individual examples of rap range from actively annoying me to merely leaving me completely disinterested, and the thing is I can't really work out why. I like plenty of industrial bands that are pretty much just people talking over beats and samples, I don't have any prejudice against sampled music or spoken word as having 'no skill' (Hell, some of the stuff I listen to makes 50 Cent look like Mozart in that regard), and that just leaves me with the idea that its subconscious racism, though even that doesn't quite work as I quite enjoy reggae, old ska and dub in various degrees (the closest thing I own to a rap album is Roots Manuvas 'Dub Come Save Me', which I got on the reccomendation of someone here, and found a few songs on that made it worth keeping). The only thing I've ever managed to single out, bizarre as it sounds, is the beat. Perhaps if rap was four to the floor I would find more in it?
Though on the front of considering race, there is the fact that I grew up in probably one of the whitest places in the UK (There are very few black people on the Isle of Wight because, as far as I can tell, they simply can't be bothered, and I don't blame them. It's not like we have jobs or affordable housing) and that my life experience and tastes are probably about as diametrically opposed to the urban, American, black male, who seem to be the main (though obviously not sole) producers of rap music as is humanly possible without me actually being a home-schooled neo-nazi.
Abstract: I don't 'get' it.
Abstract of abstract: Rap sux lol.
That's really interesting. Do you have an opinion on grime? The lyrical concerns and style of vocal delivery are largely the same, but the beats used are different since it came from UK garage. It's not four to the floor, but I'm wondering if it makes enough of a difference to affect your reaction.
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I'm not sure I've ever heard any grime, at least, not to recognise it for what it was (maybe in a club or something). The only artist off the top of my head who I would definitely know is grime is Dizzee Rascal (or is that just wrong?) and I'm reasonably sure I've not given him a listen. Would you recommend anywhere to start? Actually, given the state of my net access at the moment, I'll probably look him up on youtube.
Generally what UK hip-hop I've heard I havent been too impressed with either. Like the Streets. The Streets are so fucking awful. At least that kinda abrogates the racism charge. Or does it just add a charge of classism? Man, this shit is complex.
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I think that just adds a charge of taste, I can't stand the Streets either.
Dizzee Rascal is definitely grime, or at least he was. His most recent album Maths + English seems to have headed off into hip-hop territory by and large, and although I don't have it I've heard much the same about his sophomore effort Showtime. His debut Boy In Da Corner is the best grime album yet released, but depending on what you found on youtube it might not really be grime.
Here's a youtube link for 'I Luv U', the video's a bit crap but there you go: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tntRTRkp2GY
And this is Roll Deeps' 'Badman': http://youtube.com/watch?v=ejUxZm9o4Mc
Finally, JME - Serious remix: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lJK_N-BkGFY
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I would rather listen to Lady Sovereign than I would The Streets. I saw Mike Skinner perform with maybe four guest MCs, none of which I had ever heard of, and each of them outclassed Skinner by several orders of magnitude. Which ended up saving the concert, so I wasn't complaining. The fact that he is popular enough to tour in the US blows my mind.
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I like Lady Sovereign. She's something you can dance to, and it's rather infectious. I guess it's just reflecting my bias towards upbeat dancey music made by girls, but hey.
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Honestly, I liked Vertically Challenged maybe the first 10 times I heard it. After that I started to find it really annoying. The fact that there are maybe 3 really good tracks on the album, and the fact that it's been almost two years since it was released without Sov doing anything meaningful in the interim cements my opinion that Sov was a one hit wonder.
She actually performed after Skinner at the show I was talking about (it was the Brit Hip Hop Novelty Show!) and I thought she acted just unbelievably petulantly -- until I read about some of her other performances where she stalked off the stage or got in a fight with a guy in a jelly doughnut suit. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orvoSJJQowc) That put it in perspective.
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got in a fight with a guy in a jelly doughnut suit. That put it in perspective.
Sounds like a Hellogoodbye set, only replace "jelly doughnut" with "bottle of mustard".
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Lady Sovereign annoys me to no end. I really just don't find her to be very interesting at all. I far prefer The Streets. A Grand Don't Come For Free was a really well crafted album. The story it told was made compelling through the music, and I get pretty enthralled by it whenever I put it on, usually during hour-or-so long drives.
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Everything I've ever heard from Lady Sovereign was crap, not that I've heard more than a handful of her songs. But after seeing the news reports about her attitude it made me feel like I had made a correct assessment of her and her music.
I've never heard of Mike Skinner, but you should realize lots and lots of crap bands/musicians/rappers/acts 'tour' the US in bars or whatever. Just because they came here and did a few gigs doesn't mean they're talented or popular.
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The Streets = Mike Skinner
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Everything I've ever heard from Lady Sovereign was crap, not that I've heard more than a handful of her songs. But after seeing the news reports about her attitude it made me feel like I had made a correct assessment of her and her music.
Yes, because complete and utter bollixes can't make good music.
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True, but knowing how she has treated her fans (walking offstage mid set, etc) really doesn't make me want to investigate her music more, especially after the samples I've heard have been poor. I'm more inclined to pay money to hear a mediocre artist if I know they're good people.
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Here's a youtube link for 'I Luv U', the video's a bit crap but there you go: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tntRTRkp2GY
And this is Roll Deeps' 'Badman': http://youtube.com/watch?v=ejUxZm9o4Mc
Finally, JME - Serious remix: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lJK_N-BkGFY
Okay, now, this stuff was actually pretty good! I liked the first track most, then the third. Maybe I should check out some more of this shit. It just felt a hell of a lot more energetic and whatever to me.
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I think I'll put some grime stuff up in the sendspace thread, I've got the albums the first two tracks are taken from and a good JME mixtape.
In the meantime, here's JME's brother and labelmate Skepta MCing about how much he loves his dear old mum (not one of his best tracks admittedly, but it's sweet): http://youtube.com/watch?v=2lmdzsKSa4U&mode=related&search=
And Trimbal and Wiley doing Taliban: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TRM_ghzqfw
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Would Khar like Busdriver? A bunch of his stuff feels a lot more frenetic and weird.
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The Busdriver stuff I've heard has mostly had that frantic feel in the vocals, not the beats. The thing with grime is that the beat's different, not as steady as hip-hop. Plus it has big dirty basslines and computer noises (partly 'cause people used to make it on Playstations back in the day), and Busdriver's upbeat playful style is pretty far away from the approach of grime. There's a reason JME seems to be physically incapable of going five seconds without saying "serious".
To continue with my youtube spree, here's what you might say is Dizzee Rascal doing rap-rock: http://youtube.com/watch?v=IPpxxrl0xhM
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Most music that gets released is for mass consumption and anything innovative only gets played on specialist stations.
Therefore unless one is immersed in the culture one cannot make an informed decision regarding what is or indeed is not worthy.
Basing your opinion of what is "good" purely on what you hear on popular radio is like judging all people from anywhere other than where you are from on the first such person you have ever met.
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Okay, now, this stuff was actually pretty good! I liked the first track most, then the third. Maybe I should check out some more of this shit. It just felt a hell of a lot more energetic and whatever to me.
Threads like this really hammer home how subjective music really can be, because I had the opposite experience with those links. I listen to hip hop, but found those three examples to sound rather lifeless and lacking in energy, which brings us right back to the beats again, because that's about the only thing that's much different between this stuff and a lot of the music I normally listen to. Conclusion: I'm now confused as hell. :?
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It really does emphasise how important the beat is to music doesn't it. Although there are quite a few similarities between grime and hip-hop, grime is a development from UK garage so at its core there's something different. Therefore, just because there's someone MC'ing doesn't mean that a hip-hop fan would like it, any more than a fan of hardcore punk would necessarily also like thrash metal.
I should mention though, with regard to those links 'I Luv U' is probably the only one I'd normally use as an introduction to the genre. Khar just mentioned he'd be looking stuff up on youtube so I picked out a few things I like that I could find on there, but since grime's still a very underground genre (there's been a load of mixtapes, singles and eps released but very few full albums) there's not that much on youtube, and less with half decent sound quality. So maybe if I'd been able to find JME's 'Poomplex', Roll Deep's 'Flame Grilled Whopper' or Lady Sovereign's 'Cha Ching' (yes, Lady Sovereign used to make grime, no, it doesn't sound much like what she does now) you'd have been leaping around pointing your fingers at the ceiling yelling brap.
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I think the evidence that the OP is wrong can be found in the delightful works of Fatman Scoop. I consider him to be the Andrew W.K. of Hiphop. His music is pretty mediocre, but he has an infectious enthusiasm for what he is doing that is like crack cocaine for my arse.
Oh god I have been working at shitty nightclubs for way too long now.
I saw a bit of him on YouTube and I think I agree from the limited data I collected. He sort of strikes me as the difference between Devo and Polysics -- the Polysics are more fun mainly because of an insane level of enthusiasm and maybe a little craziness.
For some reason my school felt the need to play Kanye Wests 'Stronger' multiple times at our homecoming. The song grew on me after the 4th time I heard it plated in three hours, but after hearing it and actually listening to the lyrics...I really didn't like it (Same with Jesus Walks). He just sounds way to arrogant. Diamonds From Sierra Leone is still a good song, but it's not popular anymore so I guess this thread wouldn't cover it.
Songs like 'Crank That' 'Bartender' and 'This Is Why I'm Hot' in the really popular mainstream rap genre also make people think rap sucks. Because those songs do. Simple repetitive lyrics with a mediocre dance beat. Sure it's ok for a crappy high school dance, but they aren't songs people will likely remember a couple years from now. And they grow old to fast. I'm not saying all rap and hip hop sucks, just a lot of mainstream does (at the moment). Maybe it will change though.
Seconded. They get old fast, and I can only stand them when I'm not paying attention to them, at the dance type setting where they're too loud to hear anyway.
Also, I kinda' liked the last Dizzee Rascal song posted here; I saw part of the first one listed in that set of three, which I thought was pretty cool, but didn't hold my interest for very long. Most rap songs are too spartan for my test. My favorite songs are rock-based that have someone chanting on top of it. I've heard songs from Orange Range, UVERWorld, Home Made Kazoku, Epik High, Manfred Mann '06 that I feel fit into this category. Lots of fun, almost bluesy in fact.
And yes, I know that three of the groups I mentioned do music for Bleach openings and endings. Deal with it.
Most awesome rap song: Bitches Ain't Shit cover by Ben Folds.
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Most awesome rap song: Bitches Ain't Shit cover by Ben Folds.
oh god guys every time you say this I pretty much am forced to say "Nah. You're wrong. Dre's was better. Sorry."
Seriously why does this keep popping up
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It seems that a lot of people just go apeshit for ironic covers. Like how people love Cake's I Will Survive cover.
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The Ben Folds version was pretty funny the first couple times I heard it. And the way he keeps playing it at shows makes me hope he actually enjoys the song, and isn't just playing it for irony. Dr. Dre's version is still better.
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It seems that a lot of people just go apeshit for ironic covers. Like how people love Cake's I Will Survive cover.
Man Cakes cover isn't ironic, its just John McCrea being extremely bitter about everything.
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oh god guys every time you say this I pretty much am forced to say "Nah. You're wrong. Dre's was better. Sorry."
Seriously why does this keep popping up
It pops up because, even though I love the original, Ben Folds takes it and imbues it with such emotion. It's an incredibly heartfelt and wonderful take on the song that it registers on a level above Dre's version.