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[Method of Madness]

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The Unburnt, indeed. Holy shit.

[LeeC]

Tonight's episode:

[Blue Kitty]

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Her enemies/people that underestimate her really have to stop getting her near fire

[Blue Kitty]

Map of Westeros in the form of google maps

[LeeC]

Tonight's episode:

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Hodor.  The most sad story of westeros.    

[Method of Madness]

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Hodor and Summer? God damn it

Also I wasn't expecting Euron to outright admit to killing Balon. Also, where's the horn?

And holy shit, has Hodor been seeing his death his whole life?

Edit: Hahaha, holy shit, this article from two years ago.

Around the third time we were on the elevator together, he pushed the button for our floor and then asked the others what floors they needed, and then after everyone left, he turned to me.

Martin:  I always wanted to be an elevator operator.  If the writing thing hadn’t worked out…

We both laughed and went on to our rooms.

The final time we ended up together, the conversation went like this:

Me:  I finally figured out why you have a character named “Hodor.”

Martin:  Oh?

Me:  I was thinking about your comment about wanting to be an elevator operator.  It’s clear to me now that “Hodor” is short for “Hold the door.”

Martin:  (laughing)  You don’t know how close to the truth you are!

[dexeron]

Lol, that article is great.

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Hodor no!

I thought the Euron bit was a bit bold, but then I realized, it's really the only thing that would work with Ironborn.  He paid the Iron Price.  If Yara wants the throne, she has to be willing to do the same right back to him (and manage to pull it off.)

So... how many direwolves are left?  Ghost and Nymeria are the only two that we know are alive, and if internet conspiracy theories are right, maybe Shaggydog (but I doubt it - if the Grand Northern Conspiracy is actually a thing, I'd wager that Rickon is being used by it, and isn't actually in on it.)

[Method of Madness]

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In the book, Euron was exiled by Balon and just "happens" to have returned right after Balon died. It's hinted very strongly he killed Balon or had Balon killed, but he died "offscreen", and the official cause of death as far as people know for sure is that he fell. Either way, it's made clear admitting to killing Balon would not have gone well for him.

[Yayniall]

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The ironborn seem to be taking kinslaying pretty lightly - I thought even for them it was pretty much reviled

[Detachable Felix]

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Fuuuck, Hodor.

Also fuck everyone on facebook for ruining it for me before I could watch it.

[Detachable Felix]

Kinda not a spoiler but putting it in tags anyway. I totally ship these two:

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[Method of Madness]

We all do.

[Blue Kitty]

Just finished the new episode and I came pretty close to crying

[LeeC]

Just finished the new episode and I came pretty close to crying

My wife did.  The next day we watched a review/recap video..and she did again. 

[zmeiat_joro]

I just ralized: Jorah Is going to Quaithe for advice about his greyscale! Remember when he met her alone, one of the things she told him was "this man will travel through Old Valyria, he will need protection", while she was drawing an elabotare painting on this guy's back.

[LeeC]

Alt Shift X mentions that Jorah might take the place of Vicarian and have his greyscale arm healed by a red priestess (though it ends up looking bloody and gross or something along those lines).  So you may be onto something zmeiat_joro

[zmeiat_joro]

I'll watch this later, I have some stuff to do but my theory goes like this:

Quainthe was painting some person's back during her conversation with Jorah and she said something like "he is going to Old Valyria, he needs protection". Jorah got his greyscale in Old Valyria. In the same conversation she asked him  "Will you betreay her (Daenerys) again".

In the last episode, Daenerys finally forgave him, but told him to look for a cure for the greyscale.

Jorah contacted greyscale while he was taking Tyrion to Daenerys, through Old Valyria, hoping that would placate her.

Tyrion just made a deal with the slaveholding cities, in Daenerys' absence to abolish gradually slavery in 7 years.

Quainthe is in Qarth, one of the slaveholding cities in Slavers' Bay. (it is, right?)

I think this will be a plotline in the second half of this season.

[zmeiat_joro]

BTW, I'm seeing in a lot of places where people discuss Hodor as him being not very intelligent. Is this a book thing, from the POV of other charaters, and they think that because of his aphasia? He seems at least of average if not above average intelligence to me on the show.

[Blue Kitty]

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[Method of Madness]

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It would appear a girl is someone again. A girl is Arya Stark.

My, Benjen, what Cold Hands you have.

Holy shit, Drogon got big.

[LeeC]

A theory I have...

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I know everyone wants "Clegane Bowl" to happen, but I don't think the trial by combat will be with the hound for the Septon's champion.  I think it will be Loras, and that's his way of atonement.  That way if Loras wins (doubtfully) Cersi loses.  If Loras looses, a wedge between the Tyrells and the Lannisters is driven further as Cersi cause the death of Loras via the Mountain.  It would also be a callback to their altercation from season 1.  This would also free up Clegane bowl to actually happen next season somehow, as-well as further the political gain of the high sparrow.

[TheEvilDog]

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Eh, a little late.
 

[LeeC]

an interesting take on the conversation between Jaqen and Waif from the most recent episode:
http://imgur.com/gallery/nGBxF

[Torlek]

Or it could just as easily be that Jaqen speaks like a Lorathi while the Waif speaks like a Westerosi (or Braavosi/Pentoshi) and Arya just assumed that Jaqen's speech pattern is the way Faceless Men speak. No Stark would ever be as lucky as that interpretation suggests.

[Edguy]

Quainthe is in Qarth, one of the slaveholding cities in Slavers' Bay. (it is, right?)

I think this will be a plotline in the second half of this season.

Qarth is furter east of Slaver's Bay, at the end of the known world.

[Torlek]

Depends on how you define "known". People, even in Westeros, know stories about Asshai, Yi Ti and the Jogos Nhai and all are further East than Qarth. Melissandre and Quaithe have both been to Asshai and Daenerys saw merchants from the other two in the market in Vaes Dothrak. Qarth is just the farthest East that has been depicted in the books.

[Method of Madness]

Apparently it's official now that not only are there just two seasons left, but they're short seasons with a total of 13 episodes (like Breaking Bad and Mad Men did, even if they both lied and called the last two seasons one season). I'm...really disappointed. Part of me is excited to see how it ends, but I think they could have easily had a solid ten full seasons.

[Method of Madness]

This week was great, but the next week on made me even more excited about next week's.

[Torlek]

but I think they could have easily had a solid ten full seasons.

To do that they would have had to stretch out the Dorne, Iron Islands and Vale plots (as well as probably needed to take a full season of Tyrion on the Rhoyne and in Volantis). Given how much the fanbase likes to fuss and complain about said plot threads I doubt that would've worked.

[Method of Madness]

Really? I don't think so, there's still plenty to do, and Daenerys probably won't even leave Essos this year.

[Method of Madness]

Is it just me, or is ten*-year old Lyanna Mormont the most competent and just lord we've seen in the entire show? Not even in an obnoxious precocious way, she was fiercely protective of her people but listened to reason. (It helped that she probably reminded Davos of Shireen, who he had great love and respect for, and he made his case with reason and not a single bit of condescension). But yeah, Jorah abandoning Bear Island is probably the best thing he could have done, since it ended up in better hands.

*not sure of her age, she's young

[LeeC]

Tywin wasn't a competent Lord?

[Method of Madness]

Yeah, fair point. Either way, the kid they got to play her was great.

[Detachable Felix]

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I wonder where The Hound will go now? Will he get revenge for that community? Will he somehow end up in Mereen with the rest of the castaways? Will he run into Aria? WHO KNOWS?

Regarding Aria,

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The Waif's attempt on her life was sloppy, certainly not what you'd expect from a Faceless Man. She's letting her hatred of Aria get in the way. Also sloppy for not making sure the job was done. Admittedly, she doesn't have the benefit of learning from Tropes like we do, but generally when someone disappears into the water, of course they're going to survive and re-emerge from the water at an indistinct time and location afterwards.

[Method of Madness]

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I wonder where The Hound will go now? Will he get revenge for that community? Will he somehow end up in Mereen with the rest of the castaways? Will he run into Arya? WHO KNOWS?

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CLEGANEBOWL

[Detachable Felix]

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I wonder where The Hound will go now? Will he get revenge for that community? Will he somehow end up in Mereen with the rest of the castaways? Will he run into Arya? WHO KNOWS?

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CLEGANEBOWL

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[Method of Madness]

Well that episode was interesting, but kind of disappointing. Cleganebowl and Lady Stoneheart are pretty much guaranteed to not happen now.

Edit: [book stuffs]That being said, Varys leaving Meereen means he could be going to King's Landing, which could mean AEGON.

[Detachable Felix]

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Well we finally saw it, Aria vs the Waif. She played it well, feigned injury and weakness, and managed to get the jump on the Waif. I was impressed.

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I'm interested in what the Brotherhood were implying. They know the White Walkers are coming. Potential for an alliance with the Starks/Wildlings/etc in taking back Winterfell perhaps?

[LeeC]

Still waiting for that boat to come in...

[Detachable Felix]

Who knows? We might find him in Braavos with Aria before seasons end. Hell, if

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Benjen Stark

can come back from a 5 season break, why can't Gendry?

[Method of Madness]

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Kibbles 'n Bolton

[LeeC]

Tonight's episode. Holy hell.

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The Starks only won due to dumb luck and Sansa's alliance with littlefinger.  It was admirable that Jon tried to save Rickon, but he should have listen to Sansa and just bit the bullet.  Their entire army was in disarray.  I suppose the only good thing that came out of the beginning of the battle was the Bolton's cavalry was wiped out.  Seemed like only the free folk fought with unit cohesion during the fight, and I blame Jon's ride into No-man's land.  Was quite a spectacle though.

Danny seemed quite charmed by Yasha.  The mereen siege was pretty cool.  Khalissar showed up, dragons all free, burned ships, cause the rest to surrender.  Kiled 2/3 leaders and established dominance.  Who knows how many levies Danny can raise with slaver's bay now becoming freedom bay.

[Detachable Felix]

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There has been literally no death on the series as satisfying as Ramsay's. Holy fuck.

I mean, Jon, Tormund and Co would have been absolutely fucked had Sansa not arrived with the Deus Ex Machina Littlefinger's army, but still.

That was metal.

[Method of Madness]

How great was that scene with Dany/Asha*? First time I've been outright glad they brought the Greyjoys back.

*I won't call her Yara. Fuck that noise.

[Method of Madness]

[LeeC]

[94ssd]

How great was that scene with Dany/Asha*? First time I've been outright glad they brought the Greyjoys back.

*I won't call her Yara. Fuck that noise.

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So honestly, the show going ahead of the books plot wise has made me more excited to read the final books if/when they come out. I love that Asha is back, reunited with Theon, and getting with Dany in possibly more than one sense ("I'm up for anything really"). But...is this how it will play it in the books?

Recall that last we saw Asha in the books she was a prisoner of Stannis, and Theon was also recently captured by Stannis, who wants to execute him for betraying the Starks. The battle for Winterfell in which Stannis is killed has probably not yet happened, although Dance With Dragons ends with (supposedly) Ramsay sending a letter claiming he did defeat and kill Stannis.

There's theories that this is Ramsay trying to goad Jon into fighting and the contents of the letter are a lie, a "test of loyalty" from fellow Night's Watchmen which he fails (as his stabbing takes place just after getting the letter when he decides to take the wildlings and march on Winterfell), or (my favorite) a bid from Wyman Manderly (WHO NEEDS TO SHOW UP IN THE SHOW GODDAMMIT) to get Jon to bring reinforcements for Stannis and increase the Bolton's chance of defeat.

Do the Greyjoy siblings somehow either get pardoned by Stannis or escape in the battle of Winterfell, and actually link up with Daenerys in a bid to oppose Euron and put Asha on the salt throne? Or does something completely different happen, such as Theon getting executed. After all, it wouldn't be like Stannis to not dish out justice.

Honestly I'm most curious about Tyrion at this point - will book events actually lead him To Dany's side? As well as the lack of Young Griff in the show and what that means for the books, as Jorah replaced Griff and Young Griff as Tyrion's Essos sailing buddy in the show. "Aegon's" lack of presence in the show seems to lend some credence to the theory that he either is not who he claims to be or his bid for the throne will be cut very short.

[Method of Madness]

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Re: Aegon, I've decided that the show stuff that gets ahead of the book stuff is its own thing, and is no indication of any direction the books will take. Therefore Aegon could easily be Aegon and Stannis might never die (and certainly won't kill Shireen, who is safely at the Wall with her mother). Melisandre is also at the Wall, so her resurrecting Jon will probably happen, but that was telegraphed in the books as opposed to made up whole cloth by the show.

[Blue Kitty]

Finally caught up

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Poor Ramsey, how's he gonna save face now?

Good night sweet prince Wun Wun

[LeeC]

This sooo much! 

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