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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #50 on: 05 Mar 2008, 20:17 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIv1PRQWbRk

nuff said.  Major-General's Song is full of WIN. 
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« Reply #51 on: 05 Mar 2008, 20:24 »

I apologize, I should have written the Gershwins.

Hehe, sorry if I came on a bit strong. It's just a pet peeve of mine when every man and his dog keeps on praising George Gershwin as if he was solely responsible for all the songs. I really can't understand why of all the Tin Pan Alley lyricists, Ira Gershwin is the one that people - even professional music critics and writers - always ignore.
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« Reply #53 on: 05 Mar 2008, 20:45 »

Or maybe you should aplogise and shut the fuck up, Donny.

I appreciate the Big Lebowski reference and I apologise if anyone was genuinely offended by anything I've said as it was not my aim to offend anyone or hurt them so if that occured, then I apologise.  However, I will not apologise for having an opinion nor will I shut the fuck up.

I feel that the musical genre, as a whole, is insipid, saccharine and formulaic.  You may call this a generalization, and it is, there are musicals that defy the sugar sweet trappings of musical-dom, but they are few and far between.  The aforementioned Hedwig, Cannibal and Spamalot.  And while we're talking about Spamalot, can someone who actually likes musicals please tell me why it is acceptable to take a bunch of songs from an artist's repertoire and mish-mash them into a "musical?"  Billy Joel's Movin' Out, for example?

All of the discussion in this thread has made me confront my musicalphobia and I think I've figured out why I hate them so much.  There are always happy endings in musicals.  Even endings that aren't what one might call traditionally "happy," such as Les Miserables, still have a sort of happy ending because the loose ends are tied up.

Hell, even RENT, where one of the characters dies of AIDS and you'd think would have a little big of harsh reality, has a happy ending because the character that dies tells the character that almost dies not to die and to go back.

I never intended to give it this much thought, frankly, and now that I'm off work and home, that's about all the thought I'm going to give it for tonight.  I'm an unforgivable bastard with the brass of a riverboat gambler who types fast, that's it.  I'm sarcastic as fuck but I'm not mean.  What Jeph said made me laugh my ass off and I thought it deserved its own thread, so I made one.

The funniest part of this whole thing to me is that Anyways suggested I make a thread about music I like, so I did and that thread has six replies while this thread has 55 replies... that is negative reinforcement, kids. :-P

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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #54 on: 05 Mar 2008, 20:47 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIv1PRQWbRk

nuff said.  Major-General's Song is full of WIN. 

Seconded. Although technically it's an operetta. I actually saw this show this weekend and the Major-General didn't go that fast. It was sad.

Also, for everyone who still wants to diss West Side Story, go listen to Cool right now. This song is fucking brilliant.

Also calling people fags is lame, even ironically.
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« Reply #55 on: 05 Mar 2008, 20:58 »

I am allowed to call people fags ironically because i'm about 5% fag myself.   :-P
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« Reply #56 on: 05 Mar 2008, 21:00 »

The funniest part of this whole thing to me is that Anyways suggested I make a thread about music I like, so I did and that thread has six replies while this thread has 55 replies... that is negative reinforcement, kids. :-P

That is just not true, that is operant conditioning through positive reinforcement, as your sole concern seems to be attention, and therefore this thread is giving you more than your fair share. Negative reinforcement is when you reinforce a behavior by removing a negative stimulus (or punisher) when the positive behavior is exhibited.

I can't think of a musical that involves people being nit-picky about psychology terms. Sorry to disappoint.
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« Reply #57 on: 05 Mar 2008, 21:01 »

haha...I am glad it is only 5%, otherwise I might be a little bit worried!  

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« Reply #58 on: 05 Mar 2008, 21:17 »

Oh man, guys this thread is HILARIOUS, Rancid is desert dry deadpan.  This is killing me.
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« Reply #59 on: 05 Mar 2008, 21:24 »

I feel that the musical genre, as a whole, is insipid, saccharine and formulaic.  You may call this a generalization, and it is, there are musicals that defy the sugar sweet trappings of musical-dom, but they are few and far between.  The aforementioned Hedwig, Cannibal and Spamalot.

Your forgetting West Side Story mister.

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All of the discussion in this thread has made me confront my musicalphobia and I think I've figured out why I hate them so much.  There are always happy endings in musicals.  Even endings that aren't what one might call traditionally "happy," such as Les Miserables, still have a sort of happy ending because the loose ends are tied up.

Hell, even RENT, where one of the characters dies of AIDS and you'd think would have a little big of harsh reality, has a happy ending because the character that dies tells the character that almost dies not to die and to go back.

Again you forget West Side Story. The original show actually had Maria die too but everyone (critics) thought it was too depressing so they changed the script so she could live.
God I am becomming obsessed with this show goddamnit.

What Jeph said made me laugh my ass off and I thought it deserved its own thread, so I made one.
If this is why you are making a thread you need to reconsider when you make threads. Trust me on this one, it does not lead to good things.

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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #60 on: 05 Mar 2008, 21:49 »

The fact that there are other people here who dislike musicals fills me with joy and a newfound sense of belonging. Insipid, Saccharine and Formulaic? Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #61 on: 05 Mar 2008, 22:54 »

Not one mention of Gilbert and Sullivan.

I'm so disappointed in all of you.
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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #62 on: 06 Mar 2008, 05:02 »

Not one mention of Gilbert and Sullivan.

I'm so disappointed in all of you.

I did not list any musicals earlier, but as this thread is going somewhere, Pirates of Penzance is an outstanding musical.

I'll post more later when I have time to just make more than a list.
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« Reply #63 on: 06 Mar 2008, 05:18 »

That is just not true, that is operant conditioning through positive reinforcement, as your sole concern seems to be attention, and therefore this thread is giving you more than your fair share. Negative reinforcement is when you reinforce a behavior by removing a negative stimulus (or punisher) when the positive behavior is exhibited.

God damn, I just got pwned (or would it be psy-owned?)  I can't believe I mixed those two up.  Though attention isn't my sole concern.  If it were, I could have posted about how I bought an Acura NSX with my winnings from an online casino.  I'm concerned with it, sure, because who wants to post threads no one reads?

Again you forget West Side Story. The original show actually had Maria die too but everyone (critics) thought it was too depressing so they changed the script so she could live.

So, how does this not constitute a happy ending?  I mean, I'm all for "happy endings" (nudge-nudge, wink-wink) but not those involving changing the script so someone lives.  If Maria had died, WSS very well could be in my list with Hedwig and Spamalot.

WSS is based on Romeo & Juliet, a play that I like, and it has gang warfare.  It had the opportunity to rock, but the American public ruined it.  "How do you solve a problem like Maria?"  Let her live, apparently.

If this is why you are making a thread you need to reconsider when you make threads.

Perhaps, given the reaction to this one.  Although, doesn't this forum exist in the first place because we all laughed our asses off at something Jeph said and/or wrote?  I'll admit that the execution in this case was a bit off the mark but in the future I don't think that I'll use "something Jeph said/wrote that was amusing" as the sole criteria for posting or not posting thread.

I always forget that irony and sarcasm do not translate well to the written word, which is something I need to remember in a place like this.

His spelling and punctuation is good.

This is possibly the greatest compliment ever paid to me on an internet forum.  Thank you.
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« Reply #64 on: 06 Mar 2008, 06:42 »

In my lurking, I have read about you.

You have shown me that I have much to learn, sensei.
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« Reply #65 on: 06 Mar 2008, 06:42 »

I still think musicals are pretty bad.
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« Reply #66 on: 06 Mar 2008, 08:57 »

That's just because cursory Googling reveals that nobody's written a black metal musical.
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« Reply #67 on: 06 Mar 2008, 11:38 »

That's just because cursory Googling reveals that nobody's written a black metal musical.

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Dialogue by Jeph Jacques
Lyrics by Jeph Jacques and Tom Araya
Music by Tom Araya and Kerry King
Music Performed by Slayer

I could get behind something like that.  While, technically, Slayer is thrash metal, rather than black metal, I think they'd be the best choice, especially since Faye and Dora both like Slayer. Though, since they are fictional characters, who knows?
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« Reply #68 on: 06 Mar 2008, 12:38 »

Just FYI rancid dude, being a regular in the music forum has little to no bearing on the actual comic.  Some regulars don't even read it any more, and some don't like it much any more.  I know it might not make much sense, but that's the way it is.
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« Reply #69 on: 06 Mar 2008, 12:46 »

Singin' in the Rain is easily one of the 5 best American movies ever made. 

I wouldn't have had nearly as good a time flying to Korea if they hadn't had that as one of the in-flight movies. 



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« Reply #70 on: 06 Mar 2008, 12:49 »

Just FYI rancid dude, being a regular in the music forum has little to no bearing on the actual comic.  Some regulars don't even read it any more, and some don't like it much any more.  I know it might not make much sense, but that's the way it is.

So, what?  Some of the regular posters in the music forum don't read or like QC anymore?  You're right, that doesn't make much sense but I can sort of see that happening over time.
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« Reply #71 on: 06 Mar 2008, 13:03 »

I would assume that everyone here read and liked QC at some point, but the music forum has become its own entity separate from the comic.  Until you barged in, I can't even remember the last time anyone made any mention of the comic in here all year.
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« Reply #72 on: 06 Mar 2008, 13:13 »

Singin' in the Rain is easily one of the 5 best American movies ever made. 

This statement is made of fail.  I appreciate Singin' In The Rain, mostly because Gene Kelly is a god, but it is definitely not one of the best American movies ever made.

My proof?  Original Star Wars + Indiana Jones gives you six films better than Singin' In The Rain, and those aren't the five best American films either.
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« Reply #73 on: 06 Mar 2008, 13:19 »

Until you barged in, I can't even remember the last time anyone made any mention of the comic in here all year.

What you are saying is pretty interesting, IMHO.  Being that a lot of QCs content is discussion of music, although not as much now as in the past, I would think that there would be all manner of threads discussing the relationship between QC and music or directly relating to items appearing in the comic.

Original Star Wars + Indiana Jones gives you six films better than Singin' In The Rain, and those aren't the five best American films either.

This statement is made of win.

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« Reply #74 on: 06 Mar 2008, 13:27 »

I honestly can't remember the last time a QC strip featured anything more than a very vague, passing reference to music.

As has been pointed out to me, the average QC reader is apparently in highschool and doesn't really even know what "indie rock" is.

As a point of reference, I still read the strip but mostly just out of habit.
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« Reply #75 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:03 »

Singin' in the Rain is easily one of the 5 best American movies ever made. 

This statement is made of fail.  I appreciate Singin' In The Rain, mostly because Gene Kelly is a god, but it is definitely not one of the best American movies ever made.

My proof?  Original Star Wars + Indiana Jones gives you six films better than Singin' In The Rain, and those aren't the five best American films either.
Return of the Jedi?



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« Reply #76 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:15 »

Return of the Jedi is better than Singin' in the Rain because Singin' in the Rain has neither Jedi nor Lando Calrissian.
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« Reply #77 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:17 »

Return of the Jedi has Ewoks. 

I mean, Indiana Jones films are mediocre, but Return of the Jedi is just goddam terrible
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« Reply #78 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:28 »

Return of the Jedi has Ewoks.

Touché.  I had forgotten about the Ewoks.
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« Reply #79 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:32 »

Return of the Jedi is better than Singin' in the Rain because Singin' in the Rain has neither Jedi nor Lando Calrissian.

Go back and actually watch Star Wars some time.  The dialogue is horrible in all of them; the lightsaber fights were horrible in the original three as well.  The only thing Star Wars has going for it is the visuals, which are less than stellar these days.  Star Wars may have been revolutionary for its time, but they're far from being passable movies.
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« Reply #80 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:45 »

No, I'm sorry, the original Star Wars film is still a great social commentary and nice rip-off of Hidden Fortress.
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« Reply #81 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:47 »

No, I'm sorry, the original Star Wars film is still a great social commentary and nice rip-off of Hidden Fortress.

This is an example of cognitive dissonance. 
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« Reply #82 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:54 »

And you are an example of "another new poster being a douchelord".

Damn, it goes in waves.  We get a bunch of good new people here, then BAM!  Shit-storm.  What's up with that.
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« Reply #83 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:57 »

And you are an example of "another new poster being a douchelord".

Damn, it goes in waves.  We get a bunch of good new people here, then BAM!  Shit-storm.  What's up with that.

I'm mostly a lurker, I guess.

But how can Star Wars be both an excellent ripoff of a 20 yr old foreign film *and* excellent social commentary?  That's a patently absurd statement.
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« Reply #84 on: 06 Mar 2008, 14:59 »

No, I'm sorry, the original Star Wars film is still a great social commentary and nice rip-off of Hidden Fortress.


The original Star Wars is the best of the series, but these days I find it hard to sit through any of them.  After the god awful prequels I've lost all patience for Star Wars.  The prequels made me appreciate the acting of the originals, but they also ruined the action for me.

I was unaware of the film Hidden Fortress until now; thank you for pointing that out.  Perhaps I shall watch both Hidden Fortress and Star Wars and rethink my position on Star Wars.
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« Reply #85 on: 06 Mar 2008, 15:07 »

But how can Star Wars be both an excellent ripoff of a 20 yr old foreign film *and* excellent social commentary?  That's a patently absurd statement.

Because it is possible to use elements from an older work while also using elements from the culture of the time?

Star Wars is definitely a rip-off of Hidden Fortress in many ways - even some of the same shots are used.

It is also definitely a commentary on rebellion and the establishment, drug/spiritual subculture and bureaucracy.

I'm not saying it's better at that than THX-1138 but he was still playing with those ideas.
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« Reply #86 on: 06 Mar 2008, 15:15 »

You people and your hating on Ewoks. Star Wars was good until Luke Skywalker got a nose job. The new trilogy was horrible until Yoda kicked some ass, some Jedi died, but then it went back to crap.
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« Reply #87 on: 06 Mar 2008, 18:33 »

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« Reply #88 on: 06 Mar 2008, 18:37 »

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« Reply #89 on: 06 Mar 2008, 19:51 »

Not one mention of Gilbert and Sullivan.

I'm so disappointed in all of you.

Fight you Johnny C!

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nuff said.  Major-General's Song is full of WIN. 

Seconded. Although technically it's an operetta. I actually saw this show this weekend and the Major-General didn't go that fast. It was sad.
 

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« Reply #90 on: 06 Mar 2008, 20:41 »

Fuck me for searching "Gilbert," "Sullivan" and "Penzance, right? *fist-shakin' emoticon*
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« Reply #91 on: 06 Mar 2008, 21:12 »

Personal dislike of musicals?  I got no problem with that.  I personally think that Andrew Lloyd Webber needs to be shot into the sun or something equally permanent.

Two things that might explain why there are all these musicals out there:
 
1) Money. 
This is also what makes musicals bad.  There's nothing like sentimentality and spectacle by the truckload to pack audiences into seats.  Think of the zillion perfomances of "Cats" in eight cities for ten years or whatever the run was. 

2) Sex. 
{a} Musicals help audience people get laid.  Compare taking a date to see "Equus" or "Medea" versus taking them to see "Avenue Q" or "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum". 
{b} Musicals help theater people get laid.  Putting historic Soviet tractor-factory plays on stage might be great theater, but it leaves the actors and crew grumpy and even alcohol won't help.  Musicals generally have big happy casts and crews, and there's often an orchestra or band (and even occasionally dancers) to make sure to take to the after-show parties. 

p.s. Do not underestimate the importance of 2{b}.
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« Reply #92 on: 06 Mar 2008, 21:53 »

...This thread makes me want to cry.

I'm not sure if you've even given musicals enough of a chance --can you even hear them with your head that far up your own ass?
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« Reply #93 on: 07 Mar 2008, 05:18 »

Avenue Q.

That's the one about the gay puppets, right?  I'll honestly say that one intrigued me.  I haven't seen it but I might... it could very well be added to the list.

2) Sex. 
{a} Musicals help audience people get laid.

If this is true, I'm all for it.  If there's one thing people in this world need, it's more sex.  People are too uptight, sex calms them down.  I can only see this as a good thing.

can you even hear them with your head that far up your own ass?

What a creative and intelligent remark.  You have changed my mind, ThePQ4, I now love musicals and would die to protect them as if they were my own family. If I had known that all I would have to do was take my head out of my ass to hear the wonderful musicals, I would have done it sooner.

Thank you for this epiphany.

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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #94 on: 07 Mar 2008, 05:35 »

This thread.

Seriously, this fucking thread.
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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #95 on: 07 Mar 2008, 05:53 »

What about it?
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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #96 on: 07 Mar 2008, 06:59 »

It's kind of shit, that's what.

(And yet, we can't stop posting it in because it infuriates us so...apparently)
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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #97 on: 07 Mar 2008, 07:25 »


2) Sex. 
{a} Musicals help audience people get laid.  Compare taking a date to see "Equus" or "Medea" versus taking them to see "Avenue Q" or "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum". 
{b} Musicals help theater people get laid.  Putting historic Soviet tractor-factory plays on stage might be great theater, but it leaves the actors and crew grumpy and even alcohol won't help.  Musicals generally have big happy casts and crews, and there's often an orchestra or band (and even occasionally dancers) to make sure to take to the after-show parties. 

p.s. Do not underestimate the importance of 2{b}.

It's so true. Our cast party for My Fair Lady was one of the most sloppy fun times ever. Like....woah.
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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #98 on: 07 Mar 2008, 09:42 »

Seriously, this fucking thread.




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Re: The 'Musicals Suck' Thread
« Reply #99 on: 07 Mar 2008, 13:26 »

"It's not really okay to date your sister."
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