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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #50 on: 04 Jun 2008, 21:26 »

I like Bright Eyes' music, but in honesty, Conor Oberst's unnecessary uber-vibrato can really piss me off sometimes. It's not even an endearing way of singing, like Dylan's talk-singing. It's just annoying.
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« Reply #51 on: 05 Jun 2008, 01:44 »

I'm so glad he hasn't been using that too much.  Though I did find it funny when he started to get really bad on 'the Big Picture', the song cut out.  Its almost as if he knew...
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« Reply #52 on: 05 Jun 2008, 10:48 »

That's the thing I like least about some Bright Eyes fans and most Bright Eyes haters: they're so stupid they don't realise that he is aware of the persona he presents to the world and does not always like it or take it seriously.  I mean, the fake interview on Fevers and Mirrors should be proof enough for anyone who isn't functionally retarded.
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« Reply #53 on: 05 Jun 2008, 14:15 »

I love older Bright Eyes, but although I have tried several times, I've never been able to get into anything he did after Lifted. Once he went country-fried I switched to Jason Molina and I have never been happier.


edit: Tina Fey is as unfunny as she is pretty
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« Reply #54 on: 05 Jun 2008, 14:36 »

Yeah, I'm pretty sure my favorite Bright Eyes stuff is only a tad better than my least favorite Songs: Ohia stuff. Oberst wishes he could write an album as terrific as Lioness or Ghost Tropic.
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« Reply #55 on: 05 Jun 2008, 14:38 »

edit: Tina Fey is as unfunny as she is pretty

This is the most confusing statement I have ever seen. It is both insulting and complimentary no matter what.
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« Reply #56 on: 05 Jun 2008, 14:45 »

Bright Eyes is a fucking kickass song by Blind Guardian.
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« Reply #57 on: 05 Jun 2008, 14:48 »

I am having trouble imagining that there are rational people who find Tina Fey unfunny.
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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #58 on: 05 Jun 2008, 17:00 »

I was listening to Lifted yesterday. So many great moments on that record.

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« Reply #59 on: 05 Jun 2008, 17:19 »

Indeed.  I think "False Advertising" is probably one of the best responses to the critics he could have written.

For a song, I was bought
Now I lie when I talk
With a careful eye on the cue cards
Onto a stage, I was pushed
With my sorrow well rehearsed
So give me all your pity and your money now
All of it

(We used to think that sound was something pure)

But if I could act like this was my real life
And not some cage where I've been placed
Well then I could tell you the truth like I used to
And not be afraid of sounding fake
Now all everyone's listening for are the mistakes

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« Reply #60 on: 05 Jun 2008, 18:15 »

I mean, the fake interview on Fevers and Mirrors should be proof enough for anyone who isn't functionally retarded.

I've known several Bright Eyes fans who own that album and weren't aware that Todd Baechle was actually the person in the interview. Some of them cited the interview as one of the reasons he was so great. When I tried to explain, one person was slightly embarrassed, one person just said "oh" and shrugged it off and the rest reacted with total disbelief, one girl going so far as to call me a liar.

Bright Eyes fans can be just as ignorant (naive?) as Bright Eyes haters.
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« Reply #61 on: 05 Jun 2008, 20:29 »

This is the most confusing statement I have ever seen. It is both insulting and complimentary no matter what.
Also I'll bet she is a really nice person.

I am having trouble imagining that there are rational people who find Tina Fey unfunny.
I'm thinking it might be an early warning sign for brain tumors. Ted Kennedy said numerous times that he thought Amy Poehler was the talented one and look how he ended up.
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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #62 on: 06 Jun 2008, 12:45 »

That's the thing I like least about some Bright Eyes fans and most Bright Eyes haters: they're so stupid they don't realise that he is aware of the persona he presents to the world and does not always like it or take it seriously.  I mean, the fake interview on Fevers and Mirrors should be proof enough for anyone who isn't functionally retarded.




yes.



besides that, why judge the man's work on largely irrelevant things, like the behavior of his fans, people he has no contact with or personal control over? music is meant for listening to and thinking about and enjoying, primarily on a personal level. why let other idiots ruin something that could be enjoyed? no, i'm not saying you necessarily would enjoy it without those fans, but the existence of idiots is not a good reason to hate. jesus was not responsible for the crusades; nietzsche was not responsible for the holocaust.

seriously, if something is pleasing, for whatever reason, end of story. even if the creator him(her)self is a complete idiot, obnoxious, a horrible person, that sometimes still does not keep them from creating something very worth your time. besides the fact that there are various strata of enjoyment, and just because one might value highly intellectual or philosophical subject matter the majority of the time does not mean that some quality ass-shaking is never in order.


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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #63 on: 06 Jun 2008, 13:35 »

Did you just compare two of the worst acts of brutality in human history to annoying fans?

Anyway, I think Bright Eyes is pretty enjoyable as long as you don't take it all too seriously. I've never been to any of his shows, or really hung out with his fans, so I guess I'm kind of insulated from any annoyance from that direction.

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« Reply #64 on: 06 Jun 2008, 18:12 »

I think we've just been godwin'd.
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« Reply #65 on: 06 Jun 2008, 23:36 »

Indeed.  I think "False Advertising" is probably one of the best responses to the critics he could have written.

Yes! And the "mistake," though pretty dang contrived always sounds really cute to me.

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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #66 on: 06 Jun 2008, 23:48 »

I still get chills during the part of the last song on Lifted when he talks about waking up in a hospital bed.  And I'm pretty sure I would even if I didn't know it's a true story.

Really that whole song is basically perfect.

It's actually somewhat funny to me that I didn't buy or listen to Lifted until mid-2005 because I had heard a couple of friends who had been fans of his since '98 (which is when I started listening) say that it was his "sell-out album" when I think that it's basically the exact opposite of that; every single note on that damn record sounds like exactly what he wanted to do, and it's the first album with many moments where he actually sounds like he's having fun.

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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #67 on: 07 Jun 2008, 00:11 »

Did you just compare two of the worst acts of brutality in human history to annoying fans?

Anyway, I think Bright Eyes is pretty enjoyable as long as you don't take it all too seriously. I've never been to any of his shows, or really hung out with his fans, so I guess I'm kind of insulated from any annoyance from that direction.




it struck me as probably not the best way of making the point after i posted it. and no, i was not comparing them, i was simply trying to illustrate the concept. and im not sure if i properly invoked godwin's law; i do believe i would have had to compare the actions of some individual to the morality of the 3rd reich.
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Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
« Reply #68 on: 07 Jun 2008, 00:48 »

I had heard a couple of friends say that Lifted was his "sell-out album"

Your friends must hate Cassadaga. 
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« Reply #69 on: 07 Jun 2008, 01:07 »

I like a lot of Cassadaga but honestly it just doesn't have that magic touch that all his others do.  I can't pinpoint exactly why I think it's his second worst album (behind Digital Ash) but that's where it lands in the ranking system for me.  I'd probably go:

Lifted
Every Day and Every Night EP
Fevers and Mirrors
I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
Letting Off the Happiness
Cassadaga
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« Reply #70 on: 07 Jun 2008, 03:39 »



Clearly he's moved past teenagers and onto the list of people that I pray God will strike down daily.

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« Reply #71 on: 07 Jun 2008, 05:16 »

I looked up the image properties, and the name "Mandy Moore" was in the URL somewhere. A quick google search confirmed that it's a shot of Ryan Adams and Mandy Moore "dating". Turns out, they're just friends!
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« Reply #72 on: 07 Jun 2008, 08:00 »

I thought Digital Ash was pretty good. What makes it his worst?
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« Reply #73 on: 07 Jun 2008, 08:10 »

Who's Mandy Moore?
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« Reply #74 on: 07 Jun 2008, 09:01 »

I have no idea. I guess people don't like her because of her alliterative name or something?
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« Reply #75 on: 07 Jun 2008, 09:23 »

I like a lot of Cassadaga but honestly it just doesn't have that magic touch that all his others do. 

I like Cassadaga for the most part, but I think the problem is that it looses direction somewhere along the way. It starts out telling a compelling story but somehow ends up just being a collection of pretty good songs.
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« Reply #76 on: 07 Jun 2008, 11:03 »

Who's Mandy Moore?

Pretty sure she was in Saved, which in some respects is a pretty funny girl if you know anyone really religious.  Pretty sure she's a pretend singer too.

Bright Eyes is ok but when you're surrounded by people who make Bright Eyes jokes it's hard to defend them.  I ended up getting sick of the way he sings, I could never listen to him for more than a couple songs at a time.  My dad loves Bright Eyes, but he loves anything as long as it's soft and wouldn't understand the music scene unless I spent an hour explaining it to him.  The only Bright Eyes song I can listen to now is Lover I Don't Have to Love, it was the first song of his I heard.
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« Reply #77 on: 07 Jun 2008, 11:37 »

I don't understand why Digital Ash is so bad either, Jackie. Please, please explain, because it's actually one of my favorite Bright Eyes albums.
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« Reply #78 on: 07 Jun 2008, 12:16 »

I didn't say it was bad, it's just my least favorite of his.

I don't think he's as polished at that style as he is at the styles on his other albums.
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« Reply #79 on: 07 Jun 2008, 21:00 »

Guys, "Poison Oak" is an amazing song.  I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning may not be his best, but it's got a handful of beautiful songs on it.
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« Reply #80 on: 07 Jun 2008, 21:20 »

Like "Old Soul Song."

Hey, how about Badly Drawn Boy? Dude's pretty similar to Bright Eyes, but more piano-driven, and a lower baritone voice. I prefer him, actually.
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« Reply #81 on: 07 Jun 2008, 21:24 »

He had a song that I liked, but I can't remember what it is.  The video for it involved him driving a car by playing a piano that was the dashboard.  It was pretty neat.
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« Reply #82 on: 07 Jun 2008, 22:49 »

I didn't say it was bad, it's just my least favorite of his.

I don't think he's as polished at that style as he is at the styles on his other albums.


Yeah, my liking it probably has to do with the fact that I'm a sucker for electronic anything, really.
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« Reply #83 on: 09 Jun 2008, 21:07 »

Conor Oberst is most definitely not Bob Dylan reincarnated.

He is an emo kid, and most of his fans are stupid.. but i still like bright eyes,
particularly lifted.

Cassadaga is blalarkjdsjafd.
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« Reply #84 on: 09 Jun 2008, 21:12 »

I like a lot of Cassadaga but honestly it just doesn't have that magic touch that all his others do.  I can't pinpoint exactly why I think it's his second worst album (behind Digital Ash) but that's where it lands in the ranking system for me.  I'd probably go:

Lifted
Every Day and Every Night EP
Fevers and Mirrors
I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
Letting Off the Happiness
Cassadaga
Digital Ash

I completely agree except for the fact that i have yet to actually listen to letting off the happiness.
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« Reply #85 on: 10 Jun 2008, 18:52 »


Cassadaga is blalarkjdsjafd.

Pretty much my thoughts on the album too.
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« Reply #86 on: 10 Jun 2008, 20:22 »

I'm sorry, I don't understand.
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« Reply #87 on: 10 Jun 2008, 20:27 »

He is an emo kid

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« Reply #88 on: 10 Jun 2008, 20:29 »

I'm starting to think that chASS is one of those 'stupid' Bright Eyes/Conor Oberst fans.
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« Reply #89 on: 10 Jun 2008, 23:06 »

Aside from his haircuts there is really nothing about Conor Oberst that fits any of the definitions of "emo".  He's not Rites of Spring emo, and he's not new-emo.  I mean if Bright Eyes is emo then I guess the Violent Femmes and Neutral Milk Hotel are too.
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« Reply #90 on: 11 Jun 2008, 07:06 »

Wow, imagine a world where everyone who called themselves emo modelled themselves on Jeff Mangum.  I guess we wouldn't see them very often.

Also, I'd like to point out Digital Ash > > Letting of the Happiness imo.

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« Reply #91 on: 11 Jun 2008, 07:16 »

I normally wouldn't correct something so meaningless, but I see this so much it's getting ridiculous.

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« Reply #92 on: 11 Jun 2008, 18:17 »

I'm starting to think that chASS is one of those 'stupid' Bright Eyes/Conor Oberst fans.
you made me cry.

i'm cutting myself!!111!

(did that help you confirm the theory.
i hope it did.
cause i think it's pretty funny.)
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« Reply #93 on: 11 Jun 2008, 18:19 »

Aside from his haircuts there is really nothing about Conor Oberst that fits any of the definitions of "emo".  He's not Rites of Spring emo, and he's not new-emo.  I mean if Bright Eyes is emo then I guess the Violent Femmes and Neutral Milk Hotel are too.

i'm pretty much referring to his haircuts.

i have to admit i agree with the many comics about his hair (i think two...)
he does get ridiculous sometimes.
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« Reply #94 on: 11 Jun 2008, 21:05 »

"Emo haircuts" are no more ridiculous than mohawks, mullets, or any of the dozens of other music-associated haircuts that exist.  In fact, on most girls and some guys, they look fine.  People make fun of "emo hair" as much as they do "hair metal hair" and srsly people, the latter is so much worse.
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« Reply #95 on: 11 Jun 2008, 21:40 »

If you could beat up and indie band, who would it be?
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« Reply #96 on: 11 Jun 2008, 21:44 »

"Emo haircuts" are no more ridiculous than mohawks, mullets, or any of the dozens of other music-associated haircuts that exist.  In fact, on most girls and some guys, they look fine.  People make fun of "emo hair" as much as they do "hair metal hair" and srsly people, the latter is so much worse.


The mullet is by far the worst haircut of them all.



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« Reply #97 on: 11 Jun 2008, 21:46 »

If you could beat up and indie band, who would it be?

The Unicorns, for having the nerve to break up after only one (okay, I'll let you count Unicorns Are People Too as another half if you really want to) album.
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« Reply #98 on: 11 Jun 2008, 22:53 »

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« Reply #99 on: 11 Jun 2008, 23:13 »

Magnum

Jeff Magnum was actually the bassist of Ohio punk act The Dead Boys.
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