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« on: 22 Aug 2009, 14:35 »

i don't think i've been living under a rock lately, but how come i'm only finding out about this today?

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« Reply #1 on: 22 Aug 2009, 16:58 »

looks good.  Kinda like they mixed the movie Dune with the video game Turok
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« Reply #2 on: 22 Aug 2009, 17:52 »

looks good.  Kinda like they mixed the movie Dune with the video game Turok

Comparing something to Turok isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
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« Reply #4 on: 23 Aug 2009, 01:25 »

looks good.  Kinda like they mixed the movie Dune with the video game Turok

Comparing something to Turok isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

i havnt played the new one.  Only played the one on the N64.  I like the concept/idea behind turok.  Primitive tribes that fight dinos and anthropomorphic baddies using a mix of primitive and futuristic weapons.  Was the new turok anygood?

moving on, This looks at least interesting.  Kinda confused on what happens.  Did the wheel chair dude fuse with the blue dude like archons in star craft?
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« Reply #5 on: 23 Aug 2009, 01:40 »

Looks good
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« Reply #6 on: 23 Aug 2009, 02:23 »

I really didn't like the trailer one bit.  It was too....ambiguous for me.  There was really nothing in that entire trailer that has convinced me to see this film. I'll wait till I see and hear more before I decide. 
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« Reply #7 on: 23 Aug 2009, 07:39 »

Looks like bad ass sci-fi, directed by James Cameron. I'll be seeing it.
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« Reply #8 on: 23 Aug 2009, 07:47 »

the first two Turok games on the N64 were fantastic. Rage Wars was a good party game. I hear they all sucked after that.
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« Reply #9 on: 23 Aug 2009, 09:55 »

There was really nothing in that entire trailer that has convinced me to see this film. 

Agreed. But while I'm not convinced "Avatar" will be a memorable film, it's definitely got my attention.

Entertainment Weekly has a good write-up about the preview footage:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2009/08/22/avatar-day-james-cameron/
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« Reply #10 on: 23 Aug 2009, 17:49 »

Avatar's been in development hell for, what, a decade?

Considering the dude literally had to wait for technology to catch up to his dream, I will probably see this.
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« Reply #11 on: 26 Aug 2009, 15:07 »

Like George Lucas! Hahah! Yes!
In a perfect world this movie won't suck, but I have misfortunes and so I am not optimistic for this new film!
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« Reply #12 on: 26 Aug 2009, 18:50 »

I've seen a bunch of James Cameron's films. I've never really been disappointed by him like I have been with Lucas or Spielberg. Even when he brings out Director's Cut versions of his films they just end up 40 minutes longer and more badass so I'm looking forward to this.
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« Reply #13 on: 26 Aug 2009, 23:23 »

As far as his sci-fi stuff goes, The Abyss and the first Terminator have been fantastic.  I saw the trailer again after reading the premise and a bit of the plot on wikipedia and it made a lot more sense, the trailer does a horrible job of helping you at all.  I'm actually starting to get a little bit more excited about this film but I'd like to see a lot more. I'm not worried about it sucking. I'm just worried that it's not going to be amazing.
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« Reply #14 on: 26 Aug 2009, 23:37 »

Well, the special effects alone will be amazing.
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« Reply #15 on: 26 Aug 2009, 23:44 »

Also, it's meant to be seen in 3D, so if the 2D trailer looks kind of flat and funky, that's why.
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« Reply #16 on: 28 Aug 2009, 08:42 »

My biggest issue is with who is directing it. M Night Smgsedlrughalkfjg however you spell his last name isnt known for making blockbuster movies...hes known for have really screwed up and lame endings.
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« Reply #17 on: 28 Aug 2009, 08:49 »

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« Reply #18 on: 28 Aug 2009, 10:03 »

I don't really know about this movie.  From the trailer the animation is going to be amazing, but everything else just feels underwhelming.


Also, I think George Lucas could sue
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« Reply #19 on: 28 Aug 2009, 17:30 »

I might dig this movie if only I knew what it was about. What's up with that trailer? It really didn't tell me anything, aside from that it looks pretty. For all I know it could be about Atlantis emerging from the sea with the Atlanteans going to war.
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« Reply #21 on: 01 Sep 2009, 13:20 »

I believe you are looking for this thread.

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« Reply #22 on: 05 Sep 2009, 22:31 »

The trailer looked a bit CG-rompish to me. If it's meant to be seen in 3d, that worries me a little. I really don't think technology is quite ready for these movies yet.

We're not at the point where real life actors can still be easily replaced by CG ones, and that's what this movie looks like. I still prefer make-up and "gorilla" suits to the new CG creatures in film. The first Underworld had the werewolves as real people in power-operated suits, and they looked great. The new Underworlds have crappy werewolves.

Avatar looks great, and I'll be seeing it, but I still think we're a good five years away from life convincing animation. It just 'feels' fake, still.
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« Reply #23 on: 16 Sep 2009, 23:14 »

I might dig this movie if only I knew what it was about. What's up with that trailer? It really didn't tell me anything, aside from that it looks pretty. For all I know it could be about Atlantis emerging from the sea with the Atlanteans going to war.
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« Reply #24 on: 17 Sep 2009, 07:56 »

Anyone else get reminded of Pocahontas when they read the plot?
I mean, come on, replace blue men with native americans and the broken leg guy with John Smith, and it's the same.
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« Reply #25 on: 17 Sep 2009, 13:13 »

The trailer looked a bit CG-rompish to me. If it's meant to be seen in 3d, that worries me a little. I really don't think technology is quite ready for these movies yet.

We're not at the point where real life actors can still be easily replaced by CG ones, and that's what this movie looks like. I still prefer make-up and "gorilla" suits to the new CG creatures in film. The first Underworld had the werewolves as real people in power-operated suits, and they looked great. The new Underworlds have crappy werewolves.

Avatar looks great, and I'll be seeing it, but I still think we're a good five years away from life convincing animation. It just 'feels' fake, still.

Well, they spent the better part of the decade working on it, so I don't think it's going to pull some Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within shit. All I know is that I'm in film school right now, a couple of my instructors and fellow students went to see some footage, and they said it was mindblowing.
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« Reply #26 on: 17 Sep 2009, 19:31 »

The trailer looked a bit CG-rompish to me. If it's meant to be seen in 3d, that worries me a little. I really don't think technology is quite ready for these movies yet.

We're not at the point where real life actors can still be easily replaced by CG ones, and that's what this movie looks like. I still prefer make-up and "gorilla" suits to the new CG creatures in film. The first Underworld had the werewolves as real people in power-operated suits, and they looked great. The new Underworlds have crappy werewolves.

Avatar looks great, and I'll be seeing it, but I still think we're a good five years away from life convincing animation. It just 'feels' fake, still.

Still waiting 'till Roland Emmerich makes a movie called Uncanny Valley.
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« Reply #28 on: 31 Oct 2009, 08:33 »

That new trailer is SWEET!
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« Reply #29 on: 31 Oct 2009, 17:35 »

I feel a little silly because it's not like I needed to be convinced further to see this film and yet, BAM! I am more convinced.
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« Reply #30 on: 01 Nov 2009, 04:40 »

Hell yeah! That's the stuff!
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« Reply #31 on: 01 Nov 2009, 09:36 »

the first Terminator

That was James Cameron? Man, I am now a thousand times more interested in this movie after learning that that guy's famous productions are not limited to Titanic.
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« Reply #32 on: 01 Nov 2009, 19:15 »

New trailer makes me want to see it more. But only in IMAX.
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« Reply #33 on: 01 Nov 2009, 23:52 »

i dunno.  the first trailer i saw looked pretty good, like the cg was done well enough to not look cg.   the new trailer looks cg.   still gonna see it though.  just a little lower expectations now.
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« Reply #34 on: 03 Nov 2009, 00:05 »

I was really curious when I first started hearing some things and then i saw the newer and longer trailer.  Never has a trailer dashed my hopes so badly.  The potential for this to be an absolutely amazing film is incredible and the fact that he's waited so long for this to happen....and what does it look like we're getting? Romeo and Juliet with aliens.  It's also looking like he's borrowing from a short sci-fi story called Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson.  I just hope that there's a lot more to the story that what there appears to be. 
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« Reply #35 on: 03 Nov 2009, 00:13 »

You've seen a James Cameron film before, right?
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« Reply #36 on: 18 Dec 2009, 23:03 »

So yeah, go see this movie. It's the most visually stunning and beautiful thing I've ever looked at.
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« Reply #37 on: 18 Dec 2009, 23:10 »

if i see it should i expect the plot to be paper thin sci fi bullshit or should i expect something halfway decent?
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« Reply #38 on: 18 Dec 2009, 23:14 »

You don't go to this movie for the plot.  The element they are harvesting is called "Unobtainium."
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« Reply #39 on: 18 Dec 2009, 23:20 »

Dances With Wolves+The Last Samurai+Halo=Avatar.
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« Reply #40 on: 18 Dec 2009, 23:25 »

Who fucking cares, it's $237 million dollar's worth of fucking gorgeous.
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« Reply #41 on: 18 Dec 2009, 23:46 »

okay but it better be worth 2 hours of gorgeous

cause i probably am gonna see this it looks too pretty or whatever
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« Reply #42 on: 19 Dec 2009, 01:03 »

okay but it better be worth 2 hours of gorgeous

cause i probably am gonna see this it looks too pretty or whatever
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« Reply #43 on: 19 Dec 2009, 12:07 »

saw it in 3d last night and i was (and still am) extremely pleasantly surprised. it was pretty amazing.

i wasn't expecting much but damn it all if it didn't surprise me.
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« Reply #44 on: 19 Dec 2009, 12:54 »

Dances With Wolves+The Last Samurai+Halo=Avatar.

My brother prefers to compare it to Ferngully.
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« Reply #45 on: 19 Dec 2009, 13:00 »

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« Reply #46 on: 19 Dec 2009, 13:07 »

Who fucking cares, it's $237 million dollar's worth of fucking gorgeous.

I care. I kinda hate video games aside from game play, and the advance buzz feels like a $300 million video game plot stretched over two and a half hours. I'm just not really into visuals for the sake of visuals. Unless I get confirmation that it's paced a helluva lot better than I fear it is, I will probably be giving it a miss.
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« Reply #47 on: 19 Dec 2009, 14:21 »

Go drunk with friends who like bad movies.  You can't lose.
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« Reply #48 on: 19 Dec 2009, 15:17 »

I will take crisp high definition visuals in motion over 3-D any day of the week.  A lot of the visuals they seemed to deem unimportant so when the camera moves they become all blurry.  It seemed that James Cameron's priorities were in the couple of key scenes.  The visuals were spectacular in those but were suffered in other areas.  And it really, really needs to be said how pretty the Na'vi are.  They are so lifelike and there was no sense of uncanny valley at all, it was awesome.  Also, they dress up in paint at a few points in the movie and my jaw was pretty much on the floor.

That being said the movie itself was one of the worst things I've seen this year.  James Cameron NEEDED someone to, at the VERY least, look at his script and say "Wow James, you suck at writing anything."  There were no characters, the plot was horrible (I called every. single. thing. before it happened, something that I barely ever do)  and the worst part was how completely unimaginative it is.

For 15 years in development you would think that Cameron would have been more creative than Native Americans who have horses and birds that resemble butterflies.  I kept wondering to myself "what would this movie have been in the hands of almost any other director?"  There are SO many great films in Avatar, all of them are touched on with a couple things of dialogue but nothing more.  What could these awesome movies have been? There might be slight spoilers but if you're angry at me for spoiling the plot of Avatar then there might be something wrong with your priorities.

1. No military, it's a love and coming of age story between Jake Sully and the Na'vi chick.  I would have paid money to see this one.  And it seems, for the entire middle of the story, that this is the film that James Cameron wants to make....but then there's all this military stuff and it ruins everything.

2. Play with his legs.  Jake Sully is in a wheelchair, it could have been a major part of the story and his character....but it's not really.  They offer to give him his legs back at one point but he refuses because he has other stuff to do. And he makes the decision so easily, so readily.  Instead of being something that could have injected humanity into the film they skip over it and then never touch it again.

3. He goes slowly crazy as he loses all aspects of his self-identity.  This is sort of touched on, it's mentioned a few times but it never, ever, becomes a big deal. This bothered me quite a bit, they could have done some absolutely great things with it.

4. Big Dumb Action Movie.  Obviously this is the film that had the highest likelihood of being made. It's funny because it seems like this was what the film was but it isn't.  I'm glad it wasn't this because with a 14A rating the violence in the film is completely and utterly unsatisfying.  People have been raving about the action scenes in this film but James Cameron has missed a lot of action films in the past 15 years since he's made a film and needs to play some SERIOUS catchup. 

For me, the film was just a series of giantly missed opportunities.  I guess visuals don't really phase me, 3-D is cool but the sacrifice for definition is way too much.  I went in not expecting any kind of story at all but I felt like the movie was teasing me all the way through.  Telling me "oh, we could have a really good plot twist or maybe even some character development right...here. But we're not going to."  I guess I really just realized that I would much rather have a good story than 250 million dollars worth of visuals any day of the week.
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« Reply #49 on: 19 Dec 2009, 15:34 »

Great post.  I think I'm going to have double the amount of vodka I was going to drink before seeing this.
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