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Moment Of The Week:

Marigold's Triumphant Return
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"IT'S NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE!"
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"So, you're not REALLY Mad at him?"
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"Wait, what the hell was THAT about?"
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Total Sucker Rule Violation
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"Aww, what're You, my MOM?"
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"I'm becoming inured to this."
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The handshake
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"Oh $#!+, she KNOWS"
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30-gun salute from ST & YB
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #50 on: 15 Jun 2010, 07:45 »

I do think her basically 180 degree turn of character / behavior is rather sudden, but I've been expecting a Marigold Redemption arc anyway, so at least it looks to be short.

What I thought was sudden was not today, but Friday, when she had her ZIP I'm okay with this whole thing. That was the turn on a dime moment. This is a logical follow-up to that, making sure her friend is not actually going to lose out on this.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #51 on: 15 Jun 2010, 09:51 »

I do think her basically 180 degree turn of character / behavior is rather sudden, but I've been expecting a Marigold Redemption arc anyway, so at least it looks to be short.

What I thought was sudden was not today, but Friday, when she had her ZIP I'm okay with this whole thing. That was the turn on a dime moment. This is a logical follow-up to that, making sure her friend is not actually going to lose out on this.

Marigold's "I . . . I am OK!" thing was sort of turn on a dime, but it made sense -- she hasn't been in a relationship, and therefore hasn't broken up with anyone, so she likely has an idea of what she's "supposed" to feel following a rejection, however gentle.  Was she hurt/embarrassed/disappointed when Angus said he only thought of her as a friend?  Sure.  But deep down, she wasn't as hurt as she thought she was, and talking to Dora helped her realize that.  So the turn on a dime moment was when she realized that the reality of how she felt didn't match how she thought she was supposed to feel.  She's learning.

What she said to Faye in today's strip is just her making sure Angus has his shot with the one he likes.  I'm still puzzling out how Marigold feels toward Faye, but whether they're friends or are on the way to that, Mar-bear seems willing to give Faye the benefit of the doubt at this point.  I can kind of see Marigold giving Faye surprisingly solid advice/feedback in the future, kind of akin to Raven's occasional moments of clarity, and Faye having a moment of 'I just got socially pwned by a shut-in'.  I'm looking forward to seeing where Jeph takes it.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #52 on: 15 Jun 2010, 10:57 »

To be honest, even if she WEREN'T ok, I don't see it as strange that she'd do it.  Feeling hurt and rejected does not mean that you can't also realize you can't do anything about the rejection, and act kindly towards your rival--especially if you also realize the rival never set themselves up as such consciously.  Basically, you can acknowledge your own emotions, but you can also act on rational principle rather than blindly indulging in them.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #53 on: 15 Jun 2010, 11:32 »

Pretty sure I've been consistent in my disgust for her character and calling her a scheming witch.

I guess there's still call for it, so I'm going to write my "Why Marigold is not a sociopath" essay in the "What is Marigold's fundamental character?" thread. Should be up within two hours or so, I encourage everyone to check it out if you're into that kind of thing.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #54 on: 15 Jun 2010, 13:12 »

D'aw, ain't that kee-yute, Mar-Bear just wants Angus to be happy. 8-)
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #55 on: 15 Jun 2010, 13:46 »

I really dont get the reaction of some people here.

Marigold never did anything vile.

Yeah she lack social skills, obviously, but she is not evil.

She was interested in a boy, desparate even, and got rejected. Now she found out the boy was already interested in another girl. So there was nothing wrong with her, after all, and no reason for her self doubts.

She still likes that guy, though, and wishes he's happy so she can move on.

I consider that all fairly natural.

And being a "nice guy" myself, I definitely never uttered the line "you better treat her right". Thats something a father or brother would state. Nice guys in sad love rather suffer through the pain of seeing their love interest treated badly and dream of treating the girl well if she only would be interested in them instead of that asshole. But nooo they never say anything.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #56 on: 15 Jun 2010, 14:21 »

To everyone hanging the "Scheming bitch" tag on Mari: WHAT, exactly, in any of her appearances makes any of you think she's Princess Machiavelli?

TV Tropes would call this a "I want him to happy". She can't have him, so she's making sure he and Faye are going to be OK. All we need now is a "if you do anything to hurt him" moment. Not that I think Mari could take Faye.......it'll probably be like "hurt him and I put 20 gig of kidde porn on your laptop and call the cops" or something.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #57 on: 15 Jun 2010, 14:55 »

To everyone hanging the "Scheming bitch" tag on Mari: WHAT, exactly, in any of her appearances makes any of you think she's Princess Machiavelli?

Skeptical of her apparent change of heart in supporting FayeXAngus? Relating this even to one in their own lives? Suspicion at Jeph's words: "What's come over Marigold all of a sudden?!"? General dislike of the character? Not surprised that a shut-in would also turn out to be a territorial person?


Given that Marigold wasn't aware that she was guilt-tripping Angus, I'm not sure she'd be intentionally messing with Faye. Being unaware of how her behavior is coming across is something Marigold seems to excel at. Also, whether or not she is genuinely happy about FayeXAngus, I'm not sure we'd know unless we hear her tell Momo that. So, like she was subconsciously guilt-tripping Angus, she could be subconsciously scheming to get Faye of of Angus' love life.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #58 on: 15 Jun 2010, 15:52 »

Also, whether or not she is genuinely happy about FayeXAngus, I'm not sure we'd know unless we hear her tell Momo that.

Of course she's not HAPPY about it. That doesn't mean she can't wish them well anyway, because regardless of whether she's happy (and perhaps accepting that she can't be in this case), she wants them to be. Is that really such an unusual concept? I know very few people in real life who actually operate on the motivation of "I'm not happy, so I'm going to try and ruin other people's chance at happiness." Happily.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #59 on: 15 Jun 2010, 15:53 »

Before this derails another WCT I'm just gonna direct people to the thread like, 3 down from this one where the topic of Marigold's character has been hashed out to death. :P

I'd also like to point out that someone can be a bad person without being evil, especially if you define "bad" realistically, as in having an abundance of negative traits and a scarcity of positive ones.  So strawmaning Marihate as "Marigold is a psychopath" is just a meaningless position.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #60 on: 15 Jun 2010, 16:01 »

 So strawmaning Marihate as "Marigold is a psychopath" is just a meaningless position.
Except if the Marihaters are more or less saying that.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #61 on: 15 Jun 2010, 16:18 »

So strawmaning Marihate as "Marigold is a psychopath" is just a meaningless position.
Except if the Marihaters are more or less saying that.

Hey she could be.  Maybe it's all a ruse*.  She did just pull the closest thing to a Heel Face Turn in QC history as far as I can recall (disregarding Steve's spy love), I'm not surprised people are wary.  And hell, a literal definition of sociopath might actually be valid (the term is poisoned by killers).  But there's a hell of a gap between "not a sociopath" and "good person".

*I don't think this.

Edit: Dammit, just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.  That's it for me in this thread on this topic.  'till tomorrow's comic anyway :P
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #62 on: 15 Jun 2010, 17:30 »

What WON'T we see this week?

Tai lusting after Marigold    - 2 (2.8%)
Faye and Angus making out    - 15 (21.1%)
Sven showing up at the party    - 17 (23.9%)
Dora and Marigold bra shopping    - 5 (7%)
Marten and Steve    - 9 (12.7%)
Pintsize and Momo    - 10 (14.1%)
Pornographic porcupine porridge with Pancakes.    - 13 (18.3%)

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Oh and by the way: tvtropes.org is down for some reason.

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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #63 on: 15 Jun 2010, 17:57 »

Also, whether or not she is genuinely happy about FayeXAngus, I'm not sure we'd know unless we hear her tell Momo that.

Of course she's not HAPPY about it. That doesn't mean she can't wish them well anyway, because regardless of whether she's happy (and perhaps accepting that she can't be in this case), she wants them to be. Is that really such an unusual concept? I know very few people in real life who actually operate on the motivation of "I'm not happy, so I'm going to try and ruin other people's chance at happiness." Happily.


I meant that more in the larger context of my post. What I didn't explicitly say was that, if Marigold is not genuinely feeling better about the situation, she may be subconsciously trying to underhandedly chase Faye away from Angus.
If she is feeling better, that doesn't necessarily mean she's happy about it, but it does mean she's probably not being unknowingly sneaky like she was with Angus.

That's all I was trying to say.  :-)
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #64 on: 15 Jun 2010, 17:58 »

What Marigold is doing is finding her way. She's seen a guide point, and she's steering towards it, minus the psychobabble rap the other characters tend to indulge in.

Makes me think of the Rush tune. (I've always thought the 'you' in the lyrics is the narrator himself.) Only problem may be the 'back.'
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #65 on: 15 Jun 2010, 22:18 »

OK, let me see if I have this...

Some of you think that she's trying to matchmake, talking Angus up to Faye. 

Some of you think she's trying to sabotage Fangus with what appears to be reverse psychology. 

I hate to say it, but I can't see her doing either.  She's inexperienced enough that her first question actually makes sense; "Are you and Angus really fighting?" 

She doesn't know.  She's trying to understand.  She's been told they have the hots for each other, and now it looks like they're fighting.  Angry, even. 

"Isn't that kind of a silly thing to fight about?" 

Yes, it is.  Because Fangus is one of those lighning and hail producing summer storms. 

"So you're not really mad at him?" 

Like most summer storms, over quickly. 

Remember, this is all new territory for her.  These are like the questions of a little kid, after its parents have a tiff.  It's a learning experience for the kid, and can be very disarming for the parent! 

Just cause Faye can't figure her out doesn't mean she's deep and mysterious...
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #66 on: 15 Jun 2010, 22:41 »

Not sure precisely who that last second person feminine nominative case personal pronoun refers to, but it may well work either way.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #67 on: 15 Jun 2010, 23:17 »

She may not try her hand at matchmaking, but I think she's trying to understand just how their relationship is going.

I love Faye's 'Beat Moment' in the second to last panel.   :-D
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #68 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:01 »

OK before this runs on to a third page JUST over Marigold's supposedly suspicious positive attitude (too late?), I need to point this out:

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1685

She's ok, just accept it. Man!

Marigold is NOT in love with Angus, she just wants a guy who's nice to her and he's been doing that. He also seemed like an opportunity to have said niceguy without going thru the whole try-and-get-burned process over and over. He was a potential convenience, not her beloved. She hasn't indicated any hatred or anger towards anyone, only embarassment over her own mistakes and frustration over theirs.

Not all socially reclusive people are psychos or emotional wrecks.


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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #69 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:13 »

I guess tai losing her pants is a common thing she does when she's drunk and around attractive women.  And somehow I knew this would happen with tai by the end of the night.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #70 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:17 »

Now it's time for everyone's favourite party game; 'Where's Tai's clothing at!'
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #71 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:25 »

I love Hanners line, and might be interested in a shirt with such commentary.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #72 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:29 »

My favorite game here is rather "What is Tuitsuros Avatar ?"  :-D :-P :angel:
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #73 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:34 »

My favorite game here is rather "What is Tuitsuros Avatar ?"  :-D :-P :angel:

It's a freaking international conspiracy, man! 
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #74 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:36 »

The things that bother Hanners are starting to shift.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #75 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:36 »

We haven't seen Steve in a while.  I wonder why they had a party and didn't invite Steve (or maybe they did but he couldn't make it, I guess)?
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #76 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:39 »

From the look on her face, I think that Marigold is starting to realise that all sexual attention isn't good.

We haven't seen Steve in a while.  I wonder why they had a party and didn't invite Steve (or maybe they did but he couldn't make it, I guess)?

He might simply be late?
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #77 on: 16 Jun 2010, 02:01 »

We haven't seen Steve in a while.  I wonder why they had a party and didn't invite Steve (or maybe they did but he couldn't make it, I guess)?

I wondered that also. Maybe in all the detail Jeph simply forgot (since Steve rarely appears now anyway) or he decided not to include him since the scene was already difficult to draw?
I hope someone comments about him during the party.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #78 on: 16 Jun 2010, 02:23 »

From the look on her face, I think that Marigold is starting to realise that all sexual attention isn't good.

We haven't seen Steve in a while.  I wonder why they had a party and didn't invite Steve (or maybe they did but he couldn't make it, I guess)?

He might simply be late?
Or "busy" with Cosette?
He's exactly the kind of dude who would pass up a party in favour of a roll in the hay...
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #79 on: 16 Jun 2010, 02:52 »

I really dont get the reaction of some people here.

Marigold never did anything vile.

Yeah she lack social skills, obviously, but she is not evil.

She was interested in a boy, desparate even, and got rejected. Now she found out the boy was already interested in another girl. So there was nothing wrong with her, after all, and no reason for her self doubts.

She still likes that guy, though, and wishes he's happy so she can move on.

I consider that all fairly natural.

And being a "nice guy" myself, I definitely never uttered the line "you better treat her right". Thats something a father or brother would state. Nice guys in sad love rather suffer through the pain of seeing their love interest treated badly and dream of treating the girl well if she only would be interested in them instead of that asshole. But nooo they never say anything.


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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #80 on: 16 Jun 2010, 02:53 »

He's exactly the kind of dude who would pass up a party in favour of a roll in the hay...

He'd [ur=http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=300l]fit in both[/url].
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #81 on: 16 Jun 2010, 02:54 »

He's exactly the kind of dude who would pass up a party in favour of a roll in the hay...
Are there people who wouldnt ?

Anybody that self-identifies as a "Nice Guy" is a creepy bastard, without exception.
Oh thank you !

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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #82 on: 16 Jun 2010, 03:01 »

Also, whether or not she is genuinely happy about FayeXAngus, I'm not sure we'd know unless we hear her tell Momo that.

Of course she's not HAPPY about it. That doesn't mean she can't wish them well anyway, because regardless of whether she's happy (and perhaps accepting that she can't be in this case), she wants them to be. Is that really such an unusual concept? I know very few people in real life who actually operate on the motivation of "I'm not happy, so I'm going to try and ruin other people's chance at happiness." Happily.


I meant that more in the larger context of my post. What I didn't explicitly say was that, if Marigold is not genuinely feeling better about the situation, she may be subconsciously trying to underhandedly chase Faye away from Angus.
If she is feeling better, that doesn't necessarily mean she's happy about it, but it does mean she's probably not being unknowingly sneaky like she was with Angus.

That's all I was trying to say.  :-)

Ah. I could see her subconsciously undermining it, but I think what E-Carl posted is the best take on the situation. Personally, I think that:

a) she's just trying to make sure things are ok between them (not actually "matchmaking," that would require far more social cachet, and anyway they don't need it)

b) she's just trying to figure out how these "normal relationships" work. Angus didn't like her but he likes Faye and Faye likes him back and yet they're fighting?  This is all confusing for Marigold, who doesn't read social cues well, so she's just asking Faye for clarification for her own education, basically.

Of course what may happen now is that Marigold will go up to the next boy she finds remotely attractive and stat up a fight with him, because she'll think this is how it works.  Or she'll remember Dale and think that he must have been flirting her and must like her, and hijinks will ensue.

Or Sven. :-p This is how badboy fixations get started, you know! "I thought Angus liked me because he was so nice to me, but it turned out he did not!  He really likes Faye, whom he argues with all the time! So if a boy likes you, he isn't nice to you, he's mean to you!"
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #83 on: 16 Jun 2010, 03:02 »


That actually gives me previously unknown powers.

For nobody ever thought of me as creepy before. :D

Oh, trust me, I did.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #84 on: 16 Jun 2010, 03:05 »

The "Sucker Rule" is of universal application. If you can't work out who's going to have to work overtime... If you can't work out who's going to get stuck with the bill...

I was confused by yesterday's strip, echoing Faye's final remark: "Wait, what the hell was that about?" I hope nobody's match-making, because you know what happens when people play with matches...


Anybody that self-identifies as a "Nice Guy" is a creepy bastard, without exception.
Yeah... Pretty much. In the same way, anyone who describes themselves as "a good person", or even "not a bad person", is someone to regard with intense suspicion.



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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #85 on: 16 Jun 2010, 03:19 »

He's exactly the kind of dude who would pass up a party in favour of a roll in the hay...

He'd fit in both.

He didn't arrive with the others to that party, either.

However, Cosette could have objected, killed him, etc.  Cosette gives me the creeps!

I think that Steve and Ellen were a good match.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #86 on: 16 Jun 2010, 04:08 »

Shocked expressions on Dora and Marten's face as they find Tai and Marigold making out in the same room as Faye and Angus are.

You mean we won't see shocked expressions? Or all of that?

Well, no one seems to be particularly shocked.

Well, Marigold looks uncomfortable. (Though Tai would disagree on that.)
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #87 on: 16 Jun 2010, 04:38 »

Anybody that self-identifies as a "Nice Guy" is a creepy bastard, without exception.
Yeah... Pretty much. In the same way, anyone who describes themselves as "a good person", or even "not a bad person", is someone to regard with intense suspicion.
Most people would state that.

Tada ! And there goes "being creepy" being something special.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #88 on: 16 Jun 2010, 04:39 »

Cosette gives me the creeps!
Um. :-o
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #89 on: 16 Jun 2010, 04:40 »


That actually gives me previously unknown powers.

For nobody ever thought of me as creepy before. :D

Oh, trust me, I did.
Cool, how did I manage that ?
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #90 on: 16 Jun 2010, 05:14 »

Well, Marigold looks uncomfortable. (Though Tai would disagree on that.)

She looks more exasperated to me, but I may be mistaken. 

but why is Hanners staring at Tai's crotch?
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #91 on: 16 Jun 2010, 05:37 »

Tai's "What're you, my mom?" recalls this.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #92 on: 16 Jun 2010, 05:46 »

"It bothers me that I'm becoming inured to this."

Quote. Of. The. Year.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #93 on: 16 Jun 2010, 06:20 »

but why is Hanners staring at Tai's crotch?
She's trying to reure herself. It ain't workin'.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #94 on: 16 Jun 2010, 06:39 »

Cosette gives me the creeps!
Um. :-o

I take it you're shocked that I find her creepy?  I refer you to the evidence:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1551 (last panel)
Why invite someone up when your face shows that you're not that sort of mood?

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1551 (panels 2-6)
A strong reaction for a friend saying that she should be careful.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1430 (last panel)
A strong reaction from just a photo.

Ps.
Thank you, jw, for the link to an episode guide.

Tai's "What're you, my mom?" recalls this.

But where would Dora keep her?  ;-)  
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #95 on: 16 Jun 2010, 07:01 »

Ps.
Thank you, jw, for the link to an episode guide.
You're quite welcome. ;)

Tai's "What're you, my mom?" recalls this.
But where would Dora keep her?  ;-)  
...In the closet?  :-D :angel:
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #96 on: 16 Jun 2010, 07:04 »

Anybody that self-identifies as a "Nice Guy" is a creepy bastard, without exception.
Is there a difference between nice guy and "Nice Guy" I haven't heard of? Otherwise, facepalm.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #97 on: 16 Jun 2010, 07:13 »

Pants?  Only suckers wear pants at a party.
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #98 on: 16 Jun 2010, 07:23 »

Gee, Tai, maybe this is why Marten and the gang don't invite you out with them...as they are past the college-wheee-party-drinking-age, and generally seem to be able to control themselves over it, perhaps they just don't wanna deal with taking care of you along with your drunken, pantless advances....
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Re: WDT: June 14-18, 2010
« Reply #99 on: 16 Jun 2010, 08:36 »


That actually gives me previously unknown powers.

For nobody ever thought of me as creepy before. :D

Oh, trust me, I did.
Cool, how did I manage that ?

You ideas about women and sex are messed up, dude. You said you WANTED a woman who'd threaten to kill you if you ever broke up with her or something, and that this was the kind of "commitment" you were willing to offer as well, and you seemed to consider that romantic. That's not "commitment" or love, that's insecurity and codependency with a strong side of psycho.

You have a madonna/whore complex where if a woman has been sexually active, you consider her "spoiled" for your affections.  You yourself have not been very successful romantically, and you explain that by alternately putting some women on a pedestal, and dismissing the rest as sluts, and having really weird ideas of how both men and women operate.  And by the way, putting a woman on a pedestal is one of the creepiest things a guy can do to a girl--women don't want to be regarded as some kind of wonderful worshiped luminous angels, we want to be seen as people, no better and no worse than anyone else. Putting one on a pedestal is not unlike putting her in cage.  I can't even describe to you how uncomfortable it feels to be talking to a guy who's obviously thinking of you as some kind of image of perfection--and how much it ruins any chance at actually establishing real mutual intimacy.

It also kind of feels like, due to all the buildup, if you start up a relationship anytime soon, you're going to overwhelm and devour the poor lady with your pent-up affections at the same time as being extremely self-abasing, and it's not gonna be healthy.
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