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Author Topic: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)  (Read 95505 times)

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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #100 on: 09 Nov 2010, 00:40 »

We know Mar doesn't like girls.

She likes a girl.

(The girl is Hanners)

That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.

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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #101 on: 09 Nov 2010, 00:51 »

That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.

10 gets you 1 however than if anyone does an analysis of the story they will attach a meaning to it. This is why I could not stand studying literature.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #102 on: 09 Nov 2010, 01:22 »

That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.  It's no wonder a Christian should come up with it.
Eh? I'm no stranger to taking things too seriously, but really. "I Kissed A Girl" is just bubblegum pop, and it's not bad. I mean, it's not like I'd buy the album (I doubt if I'd recognise any other tracks), but it's OK.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #103 on: 09 Nov 2010, 01:24 »

That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.  It's no wonder a Christian should come up with it.
Eh? I'm no stranger to taking things too seriously, but really. "I Kissed A Girl" is just bubblegum pop, and it's not bad. I mean, it's not like I'd buy the album (I doubt if I'd recognise any other tracks), but it's OK.

....yyyyeah I gotta agree with Akima here, and dang why you even got to bring religion into it?  :?
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #104 on: 09 Nov 2010, 01:52 »

Besides, everyone knows that Lady Gaga is sooooo much better...








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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #105 on: 09 Nov 2010, 02:08 »

What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #106 on: 09 Nov 2010, 02:47 »

It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.

Dagnabit Dliessmgg, you've got me dancing polka Perry at 2:46am.

Do you have any idea what the neighbors are going to think?
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #107 on: 09 Nov 2010, 03:00 »

What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.

You know, there are times when I am grateful that my office computer blocks Youtube.

I think know may be one of those times.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #108 on: 09 Nov 2010, 03:08 »

I'm giggling furiously.  I want to hear them do "I kissed a girl" now!

That made my day, and it's only 6 AM here...

I will be sharing this.  They're really good... but someone needs to buy them a real drum. 
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #109 on: 09 Nov 2010, 03:22 »

On a side note, I think Tai needs/deserves her own long-term relationship... problem is, Jeph would have to add another female character to do that.
That, or he'd have to bring Amanda into the main cast. But not only would it be contrived, somehow I'm not seeing their characters as matching.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #110 on: 09 Nov 2010, 03:33 »

What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?
It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.
Everything sounds better as a polka; this is the secret to Weird Al's success.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #111 on: 09 Nov 2010, 03:38 »

It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.
When it comes to bizarre covers, that might displace Shirley Bassey's version of Pink's "Let's Get The Party Started" in my personal league table.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #112 on: 09 Nov 2010, 03:51 »

My favorite unusual cover is Imogen Heap's version of Thriller.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #113 on: 09 Nov 2010, 04:35 »

This could be potentially interesting for Marigold.  She's never had someone tell her that they'd make out with her.  And Tai probably does this without really caring if she's shut down (at least not in the long term).  From Marigold's point of view, she won't be able to look at Tai the same way.  I'm sure for this moment in a friendship/relationship there is some kind of fundamental law where you cannot go forward without the two involved either drifting apart or becoming closer.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #115 on: 09 Nov 2010, 04:43 »

Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #116 on: 09 Nov 2010, 04:53 »

"Sorry Marigold/Tai shippers, Mari's straight as can be."

Not in my head, she's not.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #117 on: 09 Nov 2010, 05:34 »

See, that's why so many people despise any sort of shipping. Statements like that.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #118 on: 09 Nov 2010, 05:37 »

What's wrong with Katy Perry's music?

It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.

You know, there are times when I am grateful that my office computer blocks Youtube.

I think know may be one of those times.

I wasn't wrong, only because I would not have been able to contain my joyful laughter, those guys rock!

Eins, zwei, drei!!!
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #119 on: 09 Nov 2010, 05:40 »

The way things turned out makes complete total sense.

still... THANK YOU GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH!!

.. no i'm not giving you links, do your own homework!
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #120 on: 09 Nov 2010, 05:43 »

In terms of parody, might i throw this into the mix?
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #121 on: 09 Nov 2010, 05:56 »

Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And he does polkas.

I was thinking something along those lines myself. How would this be read if Tai were male and offering to take off her pants?

It sounds better as a polka, that's what's wrong with it.
When it comes to bizarre covers, that might displace Shirley Bassey's version of Pink's "Let's Get The Party Started" in my personal league table.
I don't know if it goes that far. Like I said, Wierd Al's been turning pop into polkas for years. Dame Shirley, though—well, I love her stuff, but that wasn't one of her finest moments. Too much diction. She and Alecia both have powerful voices, but you gotta let it hang if you want to be P!nk.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #122 on: 09 Nov 2010, 06:27 »

Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And he does polkas.

I was thinking something along those lines myself. How would this be read if Tai were male and offering to take off her pants?
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...you'd have Angus?

Oh, and Weird Al is the greatest musician of our time. The man did a polka version of Bohemian Rhapsody - straight up.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #123 on: 09 Nov 2010, 06:46 »

Having now reached the awkward phase and lacking the appropriate Victorian garments Tai elects to difuse everything by taking off her pants?  I know I'm terminally unhip, but is this a normal thought process?  'Cause I'm fairly sure taht I'll be getting some really irate phone calls from parents of whomever my sons go out with if that is the case.

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And he does polkas.

I was thinking something along those lines myself. How would this be read if Tai were male and offering to take off her pants?
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...you'd have Angus?

Oh, and Weird Al is the greatest musician of our time. The man did a polka version of Bohemian Rhapsody - straight up.

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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #124 on: 09 Nov 2010, 07:11 »

Man, what is with these shippers :/ You guys are crazy.

Everyone knows Marigold only has eyes for Martin  :angel:

But for serious, that would make for an awesome story. Both of those options.

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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #125 on: 09 Nov 2010, 07:15 »

Boy, tai sure reacted a lot better than i expected.... Still i'm not surprised marigold wasn't even interested, since #1492 reaction to "Lez out"


And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And Richard Cheese. Don't forget Richard Cheese
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #126 on: 09 Nov 2010, 07:38 »

He's the one who gave lounge singing the adjective "Cheesey", right? 

Seriuosly
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #127 on: 09 Nov 2010, 08:25 »

I... guess so? i don't quite get what cheesy means, it's a very vague adjective....

Whatever cheesy means, i think dick is a good entertainer and a great singer and bobby ricotta (currently Noel Milano, formerly i don't remember) is really good "translating" songs to lounge versions, and a good musician too....

but if you are using "cheesy" in a derogatory way, then... like, whatever dude.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #128 on: 09 Nov 2010, 09:49 »

No, no, don't get me wrong -- he's really good!  And the arrangements are hysterical!  "Cheesey" normally is a derogatory adjective, but this is one of those cases of "it's so bad, it's really good!"

No, wait, "it's so good, it's really bad?"

Damn, that doesn't work either...

How about this; it's really good in a style that's considered trite and out of date, and so is usually thought of in a derogatory way by anyone under the age of... 50?  60?  I don't know.  I'm always amazed at how many young fans Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin have anyway.  I guess their kind of "cool" just skipped a generation.

And for some reason, it was mine!
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #129 on: 09 Nov 2010, 10:27 »

haha, i get ya mon'.

But yeah, the "generation problem" is always there. When i listen to some 60's or 70's music most people look at me with a "what the hell are you doing" face! But i just like to listen to music, no matter the genre or the generation, like going from chuck berry, to japanese folk, passing trough polka and then finishing with electronic :P

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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #130 on: 09 Nov 2010, 10:53 »

And if you want covers look no further than Weird Al - the man is a musical genius.
And Richard Cheese. Don't forget Richard Cheese

You win teh internetz for mentioning him first.  Richard Cheese is hilarious (Lounge Against the Machine indeed).  The only thing I have against Katy Perry, other than my personal dislike of the pop style she has, is her voice.  Granted, it's not as awful as the voice of that waste of flesh and body paint, K$sha, but that's not saying much.

I knew Marigold would feel flattered, and I'm not surprised Tai got shut down, though all things considered, it was handled less awkwardly than it could have been -- at least Marigold wasn't having to fend Tai off, and no one fell down.  Of course, now that Marigold knows that Tai would "totally make out" with her, one wonders if Mar-bear will be thinking of this the next time she gets drunk . . .  >_>  Not saying that they would ever be a couple, but with lowered inhibitions, Marigold could potentially initiate something, possibly by rationalizing that she needs practice kissing . . .

Oh darn, I just threw gasoline on the shipper fire, didn't I.  Sorry?
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #131 on: 09 Nov 2010, 11:15 »

[stands back from the flaming thread]

Other than that, yeah.  I think Tai's probably had some experience in being shot down before... 

And Marigold isn't quite as insensitive as she seems, sometimes.  I think she suffers a little from hanging around with Angus, the king of "speak first, think later".
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #132 on: 09 Nov 2010, 11:23 »

I guess their kind of "cool" just skipped a generation.

A couple years ago I was driving with my daughter back to college (Texas to Pennsylvania, 1500 miles) and looking at her iPod for music.  She had the Rolling Stones.  I ask "Why do you have the Rolling Stones on your iPod?" and she replies "Oh, my boyfriend put it there, but I've never listened to them."  I start them up, and after a while she says, "Wow! They're pretty good!"  No shit.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #133 on: 09 Nov 2010, 11:34 »

Tai does need a long term relationship with someone, but it can't be a cast member already introduced so that means

Jeph will once again introduce another female character

Or have her hook up with Sven, I'm a big shipper of Sven/Tai
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #134 on: 09 Nov 2010, 11:40 »

[stands back from the flaming thread]

Other than that, yeah.  I think Tai's probably had some experience in being shot down before...  

And Marigold isn't quite as insensitive as she seems, sometimes.  I think she suffers a little from hanging around with Angus, the king of "speak first, think later".
I think every non-hetero has had the experience of being shot down an order of magnitude more times than they have succeeded in making a pick-up.

Not that heteros are knockin' boots with a new conquest the first try every try, but even at 2-1 shoot downs vs booty calls, straights have an easier time playing the field than gays. Tai's no doubt grown a thicker skin (no friction jokes, please) out of necessity.

Or have her hook up with Sven, I'm a big shipper of Sven/Tai
Maybe the new character could be an Asian chick named Wonon. Then we could have the Tai/Wonon shippers.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #135 on: 09 Nov 2010, 12:12 »

That song, and that entire album, are a symbol of a sick post-feminist mentality asking of all men to abandon all but violent machismo, homophobia, and subservient lust.

Or... um, you know, it could be a song about a straight girl kissing another girl and enjoying it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes songs aren't meant to go any deeper than the lyrics in them suggest. In my latest book, I deliberately made sure to place a rose in a jar somewhere in every other chapter. Does it mean anything? Absolutely not, I just wanted to put a flower in there.

Especially pop songs.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #136 on: 09 Nov 2010, 12:56 »

Especially pop songs.

Eh.  Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.  Don't think it isn't targeting and influencing young women who might be willing to kiss friends who want it to mean something more.  I personally don't think that matters, since I find it personally hard to conceptualize not being explicit with my own friends about my sexuality.  But I don't have many close friends.

I think everyone was too hard on Marigold this miniarc for her reaction.  Marigold gave no overt signal at any point that she was interested in Tai, and if Tai can't realize that someone can be like Marigold and be completely chagrined by and automatically dismissive of the idea of homosexual contact then Tai was just in for a nasty surprise from the start.  Marigold's reaction to Tai is *only* harsh if Marigold isn't completely straight (doesn't believe she is, anyway), and Tai has no way of knowing that--and didn't bother to check--so any emotional damage is self-inflicted.  Which they both seem to realize in the latest comic.
Remember Marigold has been completely surrounded by people who joke as their primary means of communication--including Tai--and who have been actively interested in her sex life for some time, and naturally her response to Tai about a sore subject is cynical and sardonic when she thinks Tai is joking.

I don't think people should be punished for not being perceptive, as long as upon finding out what they initially missed they don't cling to their ignorance.  I think friendships can die if you aren't explicit in your intentions.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #137 on: 09 Nov 2010, 13:45 »

Especially pop songs.

Eh.  Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.  Don't think it isn't targeting and influencing young women who might be willing to kiss friends who want it to mean something more.  I personally don't think that matters, since I find it personally hard to conceptualize not being explicit with my own friends about my sexuality.  But I don't have many close friends.


Maybe, except the SONG is all about how "I (the girl) was curious, and I wanted to try it, and I liked it"--it is entirely about her feelings and her desires and very much NOT about doing it for a guy--the only mention of a man is that "I hope my boyfriend don't mind it" which, a) certainly doesn't paint it as something done for his pleasure, and b) shows he was not even there.

The song, as a song, is if anything about putting control of a woman's sexuality and her desires in her own hands--exploring possibilities that she was told is "not what good girls do" and that are not within her main line of self-identification as straight, but that she wanted to try anyway. Again, it is about a girl exploring her desire, apart from social expectations.

If you want to say "but she's marketing it to such-and-such an audience," you're welcome to, but please be aware that the audience you mention is very specifically NOT represented in the lyrics themselves.

Which is why I like it. I like a song saying that sometimes it's ok to be curious about something and you may find you enjoy it, but it doesn't mean you have to change your entire self-identification just because of it.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #138 on: 09 Nov 2010, 13:56 »

Except I remember some of the controversy was about her previous song being titled "Ur So Gay." Which suggests that she isn't really interested in the promotion of equality for non heteronormativity, and propagates the perception of gay men=gross, gay women=hot.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #139 on: 09 Nov 2010, 14:08 »

I went to a small private school so at Prom they served dinner as part of the event. The dinner music was almost exclusively Frank and Dean. Of course, the school was almost entirely Italian. Of course, I also love them as does my husband. I get turned off to a lot of other older music because of some members of my generation that have decided to love old rock music obsessively, playing it non-stop and acting like the Stones or the whoevers were/are gods that walk the earth. Ugh, shut up.
Also, if a girl wants to kiss another girl just to attract a man I have no judgments. Men have been doing much crazier things than a little same-sex kiss to pick women up since the beginning of time. In fact, I'm of the opinion that no one should have an opinion about anybody kissing anybody for any reason. I don't look to Katy Perry for enlightened commentary on tolerance or sexual experience. In fact, I have never heard any song of hers except "I Kissed a Girl", and only heard that one because it was ubiquitous for a while.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #140 on: 09 Nov 2010, 14:14 »

I swear I whinced when I realized there weren't gonna make out. Besides, if Tai wants to take her pants off, why does it look as if she is about lift her top up?  :?

Now, I expect Jeph to introduce Marigold's evil twin, except the twin is a lesbian. Alternatively, in the next issue, we will see a few panels of Tai and Marigold making out. In the last panel, it is revealed that it was all Momo's dream. This way, we get TaiXMarigold while still keepping the canon, y/y?


The jokes aside, I find it somewhat... disappointing that you guys are discussing one of my favourite songs and I have nothing to contribute to it :/
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In fact, I have never heard any song of hers except "I Kissed a Girl", and only heard that one because it was ubiquitous for a while.

That mostly applies to me as well.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #141 on: 09 Nov 2010, 14:32 »

Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.
Because women are not individuals, so it's OK to make judgements and generalise about an entire generation.  :roll:  Oh, and straight men are the centre of the universe, around which all things revolve. Again.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #142 on: 09 Nov 2010, 14:34 »

if Tai wants to take her pants off, why does it look as if she is about lift her top up?

She's getting at her pants' button. Most girls do this, rather than fumbling under their shirt.

Katy Perry is also a better singer than Brittney Spears. Damning with faint praise, I know.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #143 on: 09 Nov 2010, 14:35 »

Except I remember some of the controversy was about her previous song being titled "Ur So Gay." Which suggests that she isn't really interested in the promotion of equality for non heteronormativity, and propagates the perception of gay men=gross, gay women=hot.

The title suggests that, true, and that's horrible.  However, consider that the lyrics are more "gay things are for gay men."  That's a bit problematic in and of itself - she's making fun of her boyfriend for doing things including listening to Mozart, not eating meat, and driving an electric car - in other words, straight men should be nothing more than the chest-pounding frat types who'd like nothing more than for her to get it on with another girl.  That's kind of the theme running down every song from that album other than "I Kissed a Girl," that she "doesn't want to be one of the boys" because of what she wants the boys to be, and indeed, even the girls to be.  In other words, it's all just the kind of twisted fantasy (and lamentations of the absence) of a world of masculine men and sensuous women you might expect from a "converted" Christian rocker.

Yeah, my first reaction to "I Kissed a Girl" was that it was just a harmless, inoffensive pop song, but when people started treating it like some daring act of liberation to sing about what you can see in any college bar in the US it started to piss me off, and when I heard what kind of album it was on it started to drive me berserk.  It's like when you realize what the song "Tubthumping" is really about, only more, well... annoying.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #144 on: 09 Nov 2010, 15:57 »

Ummm... what the hell is  Tubthimping really about?  When I finally understood the lyrics, it sounded like it was about getting drunk and starting a fight.  I think it was also about soccer hooligans, I seem to remember something about singing it at the World Cup? 

Am I missing something?
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #145 on: 09 Nov 2010, 15:59 »

Tai does need a long term relationship with someone, but it can't be a cast member already introduced so that means

Jeph will once again introduce another female character

Or have her hook up with Sven, I'm a big shipper of Sven/Tai

Sven/Tai would be so wrong - and so RIGHT - on so many levels.

EDIT: And I won't get into the whole argument about Kathryn Hudson's works. (Oops, I think I may have accidentally tipped my opinion...)

And Tubthumping... Chumbawumba is a group of anarchists. The song, from what I understand, was about the anarchist movement in the UK.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #146 on: 09 Nov 2010, 15:59 »

Tubthumping was about something?

I thought it was purposefully inane.
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #147 on: 09 Nov 2010, 16:01 »

It's about a hard-left politician drowning his sense of abandonment by the Labour party.

"Tubthumping" = "campaigning."
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #148 on: 09 Nov 2010, 16:39 »

Wow.  Never would get that from the song itself!  There's just nothing  in there about politics.  Drinking, singing, winning, pissing the night away.  And of course, getting knocked down and getting up again.  I mean, it could  be politics, but it could be a lot of other things, too. 
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Re: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
« Reply #149 on: 09 Nov 2010, 16:46 »

she's making fun of her boyfriend for doing things including listening to Mozart, not eating meat, and driving an electric car

Actually, she lists a huge list of effeminate traits (such as her boyfriend wearing makeup), and the tone is more confusion than "making fun of"- especially in light of the line "I wish you would just be real with me"- she's noticing a large number of... signals... being sent and is asking him to be honest. If you were dating someone who had all the traits of Big Gay Al, wouldn't one be compelled to ask the question?

That's kind of the theme running down every song from that album other than "I Kissed a Girl,"

Except, of course, for the ones that aren't about that, which are... pretty much all of them- Certainly that's not the theme running through the fem-rock anthem "Fingerprints", "Thinking of You" is just a dilemma between choosing between two loves, "Hot N Cold" is about marriage, "If You Can Afford Me" is about choosing love over materialism, and "Lost" is about being sad.

And "One of the boys" isn't a "twisted fantasy", it's about her being a tomboy that wants to be pretty.

You've handpicked a couple songs from the entire album and assigned meaning to it, when in reality you're just coming across as really, really angry. Do you go berserk when worse stereotypes like Lady Gaga pop on the radio? Or Sting? His "I'll be watching you" is totally creepy.

Heck, you could pluck 90% of pop from the radio and find that, quite honestly, many songs are just outright demented. How many people sang along to "I want something else", never knowing it's about crystal meth?

This extends to other media as well. Did you know that "Star Wars" (the original trilogy) was an allegory about Vietnam? "Harry Potter" is very much rooted in allegory about Communism (even going so far as to use the name of "Dobby" Walker as one of its protagonists).

Does that mean that only people of particular politics should enjoy this media? Are people rooting for the deaths of allegorical American soldiers when an Ewok smacks a trooper in the head with a rock?

The capacity to realize that music, regardless of what others derive from it (or, in some cases, even what the artist has originally secretly envisioned as its allegory), is what YOU make of it, really makes life much easier sometimes.

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