Topic: WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795) (Read 96535 times)

jwhouk · « **Reply #150 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 17:43 »

Well, geez, there goes my dissertation on how Questionable Content is a metaphor for the apathy and lack of drive within American society in the 21st Century...

jwhouk · « **Reply #151 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 17:44 »

How long until Marigold realizes what's going on?

Tomorrow's strip.    - 19 (29.2%) - Yay! Right Answer!
Wednesday or Thrusday.    - 3 (4.6%)
This week sometime.    - 4 (6.2%)
Next month.    - 0 (0%)
Next year.    - 0 (0%)
She NEVER realizes what's going on.    - 6 (9.2%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 2 (3.1%)
Wait, you mean Tai is GAY?    - 16 (24.6%)
Go write the slashfic for it already.    - 15 (23.1%)

Total Voters: 65

Near Lurker · « **Reply #152 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 18:09 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 16:39

Wow. Never would get that from the song itself! There's just nothing in there about politics. Drinking, singing, winning, pissing the night away. And of course, getting knocked down and getting up again. I mean, it could be politics, but it could be a lot of other things, too.

It's pretty hard to miss with the rest of the album after - that was kind of my point. Hell, even the video should be something of a hint it's not actually about soccer hooligans.

Quote from: AnAverageWriter on 09 Nov 2010, 16:46

Actually, she lists a huge list of effeminate traits (such as her boyfriend wearing makeup), and the tone is more confusion than "making fun of"- especially in light of the line "I wish you would just be real with me"- she's noticing a large number of... signals... being sent and is asking him to be honest. If you were dating someone who had all the traits of Big Gay Al, wouldn't one be compelled to ask the question?

Most of the things after that first verse are "emo" or "hipster" stereotypes. She's not calling him a closet case, she's calling him a poseur. Implicitly, she's also calling him a poseur for trying to better himself.

I think I'll have to come back to the rest, but I should point out that you seem to have interpreted the "twisted fantasy" I took from the album almost as the opposite of what I intended.

kent_eh · « **Reply #153 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 19:46 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 09 Nov 2010, 16:01

"Tubthumping" = "campaigning."

Huh..
I thought tubthumping was like tub whacking

akronnick · « **Reply #154 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 20:21 »

People...

Are we really debating the deeper philosophical meaning of the lyrics of Katy Perry and... Chumbawumba?

Really?

Really?

Really?

AnAverageWriter · « **Reply #155 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 20:32 »

Quote from: akronnick on 09 Nov 2010, 20:21

Are we really debating the deeper philosophical meaning of the lyrics of Katy Perry and... Chumbawumba?

Some of us are. I was just trying to point out that Katy Perry is just singing mostly meaningless bubblegum without a specific aim, and that it's all about one's personal interpretation of music/media... but I have a feeling there will be five more pages of argument on this.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #156 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 20:44 »

Debating Chumbawumba isn't that ridiculous. Have you actually heard anything they've written besides "Tubthumping"?

Penquin47 · « **Reply #157 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 20:45 »

According to one of my high school bandmates, Tubthumping was about "thumping in the bathtub." As a sign of how sheltered I was as a teenager, I had NO IDEA why our band director told him off after he said it (and he was thoroughly embarrassed himself even before the band director got over there).

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"Harry Potter" is very much rooted in allegory about Communism (even going so far as to use the name of "Dobby" Walker as one of its protagonists).

Communism? Seriously? Fascism and intolerance are how I've always seen it.

AnAverageWriter · « **Reply #158 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 20:52 »

Quote from: Penquin47 on 09 Nov 2010, 20:45

Communism? Seriously? Fascism and intolerance are how I've always seen it.

Yep, it was allegorically about Communism- not as the antagonistic side, but admirably according to Rowling's work. Her affinity for it came out way back in something around 2006 when she was talking about Jessica Mitford. That's why Dobby was the poor, beaten-down, kind and honorable house-elf.

More info on Rowling's fascination with, and admiration for Communism and Mitford can be found in "J.K. Rowling", By Colleen A. Sexton. Quite revelatory.

akronnick · « **Reply #159 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 21:00 »

Oh, I guess we are...

*turns up volume on headphones* (guess what I'm listening to

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muffin_of_chaos · « **Reply #160 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 21:35 »

Quote from: Akima on 09 Nov 2010, 14:32

Quote from: muffin_of_chaos on 09 Nov 2010, 12:56
Katy Perry deliberately appeals to the trend of a generation of young women who are completely aware that straight men in general find girls kissing girls to be hot, and do it for the sole purpose of turning men on.
Because women are not individuals, so it's OK to make judgements and generalise about an entire generation. Oh, and straight men are the centre of the universe, around which all things revolve. Again.

Of course it's ok to generalize to discern a trend.

Especially it's ok to generalize about 'the average young person' who tend to be more impressionable than 'the average person.' For that matter, everyone is unique, sure, but not in all ways. Sometimes generalizing a trait is ok if the generalization is obvious.
You know, as long as it isn't a research paper and we're all informal and stuff. "Trends" in research papers are generally empirical, instead of merely an inferred tendency of one population compared to another population (i.e. the generations previous).
On the same note, of course it's not true that straight men are the center of the universe, but they might as well be for most straight girls. Half of that is hormones, half of that is conditioning. Much like straight boys. Usually it is grown out of...but if the success of Teenage Dream is any indication, we *really* (and for artificial reasons) glorify youth in this culture.
(Aw yeah, bringing it back to the Perry.)

Near Lurker · « **Reply #161 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 21:51 »

I REPEAT, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE TEENAGE DREAM.

Dragon28 · « **Reply #162 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:04 »

wow. What timing, randomly check if the new comic is up 2 minutes after it goes up >_>

Hilarious and not entirely descriptive fic Jeph lols!

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #163 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:06 »

Aw that's sweet of Mari to write a fanfic just for Tai. Too bad she's not aware how bad her writing sucks but it's the thought that counts!

kent_eh · « **Reply #164 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:11 »

Holy run-on sentance, Batman... Err.. .Marigold
That reads like a teenager might have written it...

I wonder how hard it is for someone who is a decent writer to write something as a bad writer?

Carl-E · « **Reply #165 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:11 »

Quote from: iduguphergrave on 09 Nov 2010, 22:06

Aw that's sweet of Mari to write a fanfic just for Tai. Too bad she's not aware how bad her writing sucks but it's the thought that counts!

It may be the thought that counts, but I wish there were more thought put into it.

Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.

Well, not since "Bored of the Rings", but I don't think that counts. It's more parody than fanfic.

Oh, and does anyone else think there's going to be a bit of a misunderstanding along the way?

Carl-E · « **Reply #166 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:12 »

Quote from: kent_eh on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11

Holy run-on sentance, Batman... Err.. .Marigold

I wonder how hard it is for someone who is a decent writer to write something as a bad writer?

I imagine it's like music - you have to be pretty damn good to play like you don't know what you're doing!

IlGreven · « **Reply #167 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:18 »

Yes! It's happening! She is morphing into Peter Chimaera!

Kugai · « **Reply #168 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:38 »

This will be Marigolds Opus Magnum. Years from now she will be living in luxury off the movie rights and royalties.

Dusk · « **Reply #169 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 22:55 »

Now I won't be able to hear anything BUT Teenage Dream now. :( It's such a silly paradoxical song...and her vocals are horrible.
On a side note, as an English major, I'd love nothing more right now than to take a red pen to that story. :|

NeverQuiteGoth · « **Reply #170 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 23:23 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11

Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.

Proof that Fanfic can be better than published literature

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Most fanfic is not that bad. However, there are plenty of real examples of real writers who, like Marigold, think they're decent writers and take their writing seriously while actually writing that poorly, who are in fact not pre-teens.

That's why what Jeph did is so funny. Aw, poor Marigold.

MollyEmerald · « **Reply #171 on:** 09 Nov 2010, 23:34 »

CUTEST FANFIC EVER AHMIGAWDsjsjzkdjsjzjaksmskj!
That was me short circuiting from cuteness. But damn how can I not still entertain my Tai/Marigold slash fantasies after reading it?! I want an "erotic zones" t shirt now!

That's totally not the worst fanfic ever
Google search "my immortal" if ur someone who never reads fanfic and so hasn't read it already. Good for a laugh or self esteem boost.

Akima · « **Reply #172 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:04 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11

Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.

No not all of it is that bad. But some of it is worse. Much worse. Marigold's writing is at least minimally literate, properly spelt, and there isn't even one unannounced point-of-view shift.

I feel sorry for Tai though. Reading that could be the equivalent of the brainwashing scene from A Clockwork Orange.

snubnose · « **Reply #173 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:05 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 09 Nov 2010, 17:44

How long until Marigold realizes what's going on?

Tomorrow's strip. - 19 (29.2%) - Yay! Right Answer!

Thats because Tomorrows Strip was already up when the poll was still running ...

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Wednesday or Thrusday.    - 3 (4.6%)
This week sometime.    - 4 (6.2%)
Next month.    - 0 (0%)
Next year.    - 0 (0%)
She NEVER realizes what's going on.    - 6 (9.2%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 2 (3.1%)
Wait, you mean Tai is GAY?    - 16 (24.6%)

That was my answer because tomorrows strip was already up and therefore answer 1 was uncool.

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Go write the slashfic for it already. - 15 (23.1%)

Total Voters: 65

westrim · « **Reply #174 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:07 »

Quote from: Akima on 10 Nov 2010, 00:04

Quote from: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11
Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.
No not all of it is that bad. But some of it is worse. Much worse. Marigold's writing is at least minimally literate, properly spelt, and there isn't even one unannounced point-of-view shift.

I feel sorry for Tai though. Reading that could be the equivalent of the brainwashing scene from A Clockwork Orange.

This calls for a TVTropes link! Sturgeon's Law

hannahsaurusrex · « **Reply #175 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:26 »

To be honest, I'm disappointed that it's about Ginny and Hermione. Tonks and Hermione would have been better.

I AM glad she went for fanfic IN SPAAAAAACE

PS
Katy Perry made me angry because it was an aural assault and was just dumb.
Jill Sobule's "I kissed a girl" is better

and for the Teenage Dream guy, I have the T-Rex one in my head "What ever happened to the teenage dreeeam?"

Exar_Kun · « **Reply #176 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:40 »

Jeph must have gotten some pointers from the author of "My Immortal" *shudder*

EDIT: Errr...or whatever the hell that really bad Potter fanfic was. I don't even remember the right name of it, which is probably a good thing.

Loki · « **Reply #177 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:48 »

I think this is brilliant, but then again, part of me is suffering from nostalgia because I was into Harry Potter internet stuff like... six-seven years ago? Been a while since I read any HP fanfic.

My favourite part is the fact that Marigold managed to misspell the name of the main villain every single time

Also, it looks inspired by WoW to me, particularly villain names often have an apostrophe, a 'kh' and a 'z' somewhere.

Dr. ROFLPWN · « **Reply #178 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:57 »

Quote from: Akima on 10 Nov 2010, 00:04

Quote from: Carl-E on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11
Please tell me most fanfic isn't this bad.... I've never read any before.
No not all of it is that bad. But some of it is worse. Much worse. Marigold's writing is at least minimally literate, properly spelt, and there isn't even one unannounced point-of-view shift.

I feel sorry for Tai though. Reading that could be the equivalent of the brainwashing scene from A Clockwork Orange.

Fanfiction is like necromancy. It's inherently gross and probably evil, but sometimes awesome or beautiful things can result from it.

And then there are the times when you get a mob to storm the practitioner's house.

muffin_of_chaos · « **Reply #179 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 00:59 »

Am seriously surprised that a double wedding with Harry and Ron wasn't in the conclusion.

at Harry using Avada Kedavra.

AnAverageWriter · « **Reply #180 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 01:21 »

"and the Spacemaster screamed "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"

...

Oh, dear. Marigold, you poor poor thing. You write even worse than I do.

no one special · « **Reply #181 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 03:21 »

...wow. That was... bad. I mean, unspeakably bad. I guess Marigold went to the Peter Griffin School of Creative Writing.

Of course, that unbreakable horror also means that it was really frickin' funny, as was the comic! At first I was hoping that Marigold would be magically inspired (no pun intended) and create something amazing - but the fact that it was STILL horrible just made the comic that much funnier. Jeph sure knows how to write a punchline!

Craziest thing of all: TAI LOVES IT???
http://twitter.com/tai_fighter/status/2240170438959104

wtf? Insanity, I tells you.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #182 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 04:41 »

Well, this answers the question of whether Marigold knew Tai was a lesbian; with a link to her Twitter, not even she could have missed that.

Arky · « **Reply #183 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 04:44 »

That reminds me of my MiSTing days, that does. Ah, the memories. Turning bad fanfics into works of comic genius... kind of like a decontamination unit. I had the honour of working on the MSTing of a Ratliff fic, even. And if you don't know about the Ratliff fanfics, you are missing out.

I can tell you that in those days (which pre-dates Harry Potter and Twilight... thankfully, I suspect....) the absolute worst of the worst of the worst fanfiction usually involved Sailor Moon.

Or anything with animals, since it would bring in the furries (Sonic the Hedgehog was baaaaaaaaaad for this).

And yes, ALL fanfic is bad, just to varying degrees. Some of it is as good as some published literature sure. That is because some published literature is also really, really, really horrible.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #184 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 04:51 »

Quote from: hannahsaurusrex on 10 Nov 2010, 00:26

To be honest, I'm disappointed that it's about Ginny and Hermione. Tonks and Hermione would have been better.

I AM glad she went for fanfic IN SPAAAAAACE

Well there are (more) issues with Hermione and Tonks, but its fanfic so I guess those can be swept aside for the sake of "the story" - honestly though, Ginny and Luna makes more sense.
But then I think Harry and Luna makes more sense than the canon pairing, so what do I know?

P.S. I have never read more than four or five words of HP fan-fic, or indeed any fan-fic, due to my tendency to hit the back button immediately it becomes clear I accidentally found some. This includes Marigold's magnum opus.

fixed11 · « **Reply #185 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 05:02 »

HAHA, man made up fanfic! When can we expect a Space Wizards t-shirt to be added to the ever growing ~~tshirt factory~~ comic merchandise from Jeph's lolzy mind?

Plus, we can expect Tai to return to to coffee shop where the others will want details and Tai will mention stuff that gets misinterpreted for {get ready guys!} SEX WITH HER AND MARIGOLD!

It will then be another hilarious misunderstanding until Friday where it will all end with our favorite forced snarky banter in the final panel.

snubnose · « **Reply #186 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 06:02 »

Quote from: Loki on 10 Nov 2010, 00:48

My favourite part is the fact that Marigold managed to misspell the name of the main villain every single time Also, it looks inspired by WoW to me, particularly villain names often have an apostrophe, a 'kh' and a 'z' somewhere.

Wait, you're actually able to read the fanfic itself ?

I can only read "Hermione and Ginny versus the Space Wizards" and then I can only start guessing, mainly get some fragments like "Hermione said".

P.s.: Ooooh the website is REAL ok didnt occured to me.

P.p.s.: Man this stuff is bad ! LOL

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 10 Nov 2010, 04:51

P.S. I have never read more than four or five words of HP fan-fic, or indeed any fan-fic, due to my tendency to hit the back button immediately it becomes clear I accidentally found some. This includes Marigold's magnum opus.

You know what, you just accurately described my reaction to the unbelievable *** that made the word "Twilight" uncool.

tbones · « **Reply #187 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 06:08 »

"sacared" that made me laugh so hard, but i don't really get why...

Quote from: kent_eh on 09 Nov 2010, 22:11

Holy run-on sentance, Batman... Err.. .Marigold
That reads like a teenager might have written it...

I wonder how hard it is for someone who is a decent writer to write something as a bad writer?

i wonder that too... i guess that if you are good at writing you can get in the heads of your characters an express their thoughts flawlessly, i mean really, the fan-fic didn't felt at all over worked, it felt like someone who is bad at writing had done it. Which is weird, because that didn't happen at all...

jwhouk · « **Reply #188 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 06:23 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 10 Nov 2010, 04:51

P.S. I have never read more than four or five words of HP fan-fic, or indeed any fan-fic, due to my tendency to hit the back button immediately it becomes clear I accidentally found some. This includes Marigold's magnum opus.

Ditto.

innermoppet · « **Reply #189 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 07:02 »

As a writer, it's pretty fun to take a break from self-crit and write something terrible. It's also challenging, which is weird.

Sadly, Marigold's Fanfic reads like a lot of fan fic I've read. She's so adorably clueless about real feelings and intimacy. For some reason the parts that made me laugh the hardest were her references to "tight space-underwear". What a great visual.

Blyss · « **Reply #190 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 07:19 »

Quote from: marigoldfarmer

So they totally had sex, and it was the most amazing sex in the history of wizarding or muggles or even Space Wizards (who had a lot of sex but it was really bad sex because they were all evil).

My favorite sex scene ever.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #191 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 07:27 »

Quote from: innermoppet on 10 Nov 2010, 07:02

For some reason the parts that made me laugh the hardest were her references to "tight space-underwear". What a great visual.

Almost as good as this one, no?

slydon · « **Reply #192 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 08:31 »

How sexy was it, Marigold?

VERY

Border Reiver · « **Reply #193 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 08:46 »

Not bad Jeph - reads like most fanfic.

Makes me very glad that the narrative batreps I used to write weren't that bad (I hope).

raoullefere · « **Reply #194 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 09:02 »

I can't read Marigold's piece—one glance and I wanted to start fixing it. I have the soul of an editor.

You can have one, too—I got mine for a song on E-Bay. Fellow said he wasn't using it anyway.

kittymao · « **Reply #195 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 09:14 »

I didn't read all of the FanFic, partially because I don't have any clue about Harry Potter, but mostly because it was really bad.
What i did read though, was amusing in a "Dear God, it must have been a BLAST to write so terribly."

And then I began second-guessing my writing ability.
Not that I write fanfic or anything...

Rayne · « **Reply #196 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 10:48 »

HLS THAT SPACE WIZARDS STORY IS LIKE THE BEST STORY EVER WRITTEN EVER!!!!!11
I demand a book by that theme only with many stories revolving around different couples (say, starbuck & caprica or yuna & lulu) and after all the couples are done defending their worlds a magical rift will appear in time and space and all the worlds will fuse together and the couples will have to fight each other in what will be forever know as the most awesome tournament the galaxy had ever known.

Dusk · « **Reply #197 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 11:16 »

Whoever suggested to look up "My Immortal," I'm not sure if I want to hurt you or thank you for providing a laugh for me today past Marigold's fic.

...

It has its own site.

http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/

Heliphyneau · « **Reply #198 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 11:45 »

Heh. Cute comic! But Marigold's fic (which is here, btw, in a hopefully non-broken link: http://marigoldfarmer.tumblr.com/ ) tried to stab my brain so I went away. I got to the 2nd "paragraph" where she broke the 4th wall to bitch about the book's ending, and despite it being a valid gripe, it made me not want to read the rest of the lolawful writing. I'm sure it's hilarious, but I didn't want to bruise my face from the no doubt imminent facepalming.

Also, I would like to express a debt of gratitude to those of you who have read "most" or even "all" fanfiction. Having only read a few things, I have no way of assessing its quality. It would seem that the law of averages might mean that some of it could potentially rise above mediocrity, but based on your testimony that is apparently not the case. To read all of it must have taken an incredible amount of time -- I just glimpsed the number of topics on fanfiction.net, and holy cats that's ~~a lot~~ a large number!. So thank you for jumping on that grenade, so the rest of us don't have to.

Heranje · « **Reply #199 on:** 10 Nov 2010, 12:01 »

A small amount of fanfiction is actually quite good. Most of it is entertaining in a so-bad-it's-good way, like Twilight or Mary Kate & Ashley films. Some of it is just bad. My Immortal is a freaking MASTERPIECE, though - as is Marigold's excellent piece of fiction.

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