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WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« on: 12 Jun 2011, 05:59 »

Personally, I think something will happen at some stage, thats my prediction. Only time will tell if I can accurately predict the future.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #1 on: 12 Jun 2011, 06:36 »

Personally, I think something will happen at some stage, thats my prediction. Only time will tell if I can accurately predict the future.

I disagree, I predict we'll get a "Best of Yelling Bird" week and it'll drop back in after the party.

This is probably why I don't predict things very often.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #2 on: 12 Jun 2011, 09:13 »

Hang on, isn't the QC guest week coming up soon? I mean, that would be the perfect time to keep us hanging on and wondering what's going to happen next.....




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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #3 on: 12 Jun 2011, 11:28 »

Hang on, isn't the QC guest week coming up soon? I mean, that would be the perfect time to keep us hanging on and wondering what's going to happen next.....




....Yeah, I've jinxed it, haven't I?....

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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #4 on: 12 Jun 2011, 11:50 »

"Best of Yelling Bird" week and it'll drop back in after the party.
So there was a party, and a bunch of stuff happened.  And then, they all fucked.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #5 on: 12 Jun 2011, 11:58 »

I predict that Marten's luck with women will continue as it has since Dora dumped him. In other words, no new woman for Marten, eternal singlehood is his fate.

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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #6 on: 12 Jun 2011, 12:06 »

Marten will be fine.  I am sure he will jump back into the dating game soon.  After all It is usually easier for someone with self doubt to find a new girl shortly after a break up that wasnt their fault.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #7 on: 12 Jun 2011, 15:07 »

Well, yes, but I don't think his mind will let go of Dora until he sees that she has moved on. Remember, none of them has stated that they don't love each other anymore.

I predict next week will see lots of awkwardness and progress, mostly hand in hand.  :angel:
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950) [Birth - 4]
« Reply #8 on: 12 Jun 2011, 17:44 »

Yelling Bird.
So there was a party, and a bunch of stuff happened.  And then, they all fucked.

Yeah, we could hear about the party through YB's warped filter...    :roll:
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #9 on: 12 Jun 2011, 20:57 »

For some reason I predict Pintsize doing a tango with a box of waffles. I don't know why, but this feels plausible right now.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #10 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:08 »

Faye is having a similar reaction to Dora's date (and it looks like it's a real date, to her at least) that I did.

I think she just wants Dora and Marten to get back together so everyone will be happy again. Too bad it doesn't work like that.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #11 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:11 »

Hmmm. Wikipeda on Baba Yaga:
In most Slavic folk tales, she is portrayed as an antagonist; however, some characters in other mythological folk stories have been known to seek her out for her wisdom, and she has been known on rare occasions to offer guidance to lost souls.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #12 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:20 »

Raven may have been thinking of the Baba Yaga movie.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #13 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:28 »

Thanks for saving me a trip to Wikipedia, DSL. I read the last panel and was like "wha?"

Dora's got a point, after all the bullshit she went through to "get" Marten and all the baggage that came with that relationship (although to be fair, it was her baggage), someone who gets right to the point is probably refreshing. But I still agree with Faye more, Dora should wait until she's got a better grasp of herself before she tries anything romantic.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #14 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:29 »

Dora as a werewolf, Faye as Frankenstein's monster, and Raven as Baba Yaga. I smell Halloween costumes! Or a wild night at Yelling Bird's place.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #15 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:29 »

Damn it, Dora.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #16 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:45 »

So, does that make Marten Dracula?


And what does that make Hanners?!
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #17 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:50 »

No, Hanners is Dracula. She's the one who wanted Marten's blood.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #18 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:53 »

I really don't see what's so bad about Dora going on a single date. Yeah she's got issues... But one date doesn't instantaneously mean long term relationship. What, does Dora have to lock herself in a room and refuse any and all romantic interludes, no matter how low-key and straight forward, until therapy has "fixed" her? Isn't it possible for her to date casually and enjoy herself, so long as she's upfront that that's what she's looking for?
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« Reply #19 on: 12 Jun 2011, 21:59 »

Raven may have been thinking of the Baba Yaga movie.
Thanks for this. I had a hard time picturing Raven as an old witch out of fairy tales. Or a fan of Mussorgsky.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #20 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:01 »

You can always count on Faye to call people out on their shit. :-)  I would laugh so hard if Dora thinks its a date and Jim just thinks its dinner to better understand his business rival/partner.

cant help but feel like Dora is taking a shot at marten too.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #21 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:10 »

I'd figure Raven would be a Yuki-onna. Without the long black hair. She has the lips part done pat.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #22 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:15 »

I find it funny that it was Dora's issues, and Dora's baggage, and she finds things refreshing. I also expect her to stop going to to the psychiatrist if this turns out "well".
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« Reply #23 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:26 »

Dora is simply reinforcing her own bad behaviour.

This will end badly. The only hope is that it ends quickly.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #24 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:39 »

I am glad to see Dora responding positively to direct engagement. I've often had the trouble of being very blunt, when the girl is in fact looking for a response that requires quantum cryptography to decode.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #25 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:44 »

For some reason this thought formed "Fayes Curves and snarkiness, Dora's goth sensibilities, and Ravens bubbliness and attraction skills, combine to form ELVIRA." Though this makes me wonder what this makes the rest of the COD staff.
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« Reply #26 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:47 »

...Though this makes me wonder what this makes the rest of the COD staff.


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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #27 on: 12 Jun 2011, 22:47 »

Dora is simply reinforcing her own bad behaviour.

This will end badly. The only hope is that it ends quickly.

 Yep.

 Props to Faye for calling her on it.

 After all the crap she gave Marten, you think Dora would be a little more careful with other people's feelings this time around?

 Nope, guess not.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #28 on: 12 Jun 2011, 23:25 »

playing with feelings?  Christ, it's the first "date" between two people getting to know each other.  If either Jim or Dora had developed strong feelings already, they have other issued to address first.

This is reaching back to last week, but I wonder if I'm the only one who failed to see any wrongdoing in Raven's interjection?  It seems completely in line with the snark and teasing of CoD
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #29 on: 12 Jun 2011, 23:33 »

To heck with fixing anything, I'm just gonna drop all of my unresolved baggage on someone else!
Who I also happen to be starting a business relationship with!
What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #30 on: 12 Jun 2011, 23:36 »

Creeper (n.): someone older than I would dare to let people see date myself.

Yeah, because Faye's just the sort of gal from whom you'd want to hear relationship advice.
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« Reply #31 on: 12 Jun 2011, 23:41 »

To heck with fixing anything, I'm just gonna drop all of my unresolved baggage on someone else!
Who I also happen to be starting a business relationship with!
What could possibly go wrong?

Well, your best friend could get fed up with your bullshit and carry out on her threat to dispose of your body in a wood chipper...
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #32 on: 12 Jun 2011, 23:51 »

No, Hanners is Dracula. She's the one who wanted Marten's blood.
Not enough for drinking though, but quite enough for magic spells, I'm sure. Hanners for the White Witch...

Creeper (n.): someone older than I would dare to let people see date myself.

See previous strip on misuse of reflexive pronouns.
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« Reply #33 on: 13 Jun 2011, 00:27 »

Yeah, because Faye's just the sort of gal from whom you'd want to hear relationship advice.

Well, yes, who else?

- - - - - - - -

Aaaand down the drain goes my hope that Dora saw a potential friend in Jim. Not completely though, she does say "it's just a date", and she could be able to keep it at that - provided Jim has a similarly reasonable approach. Well, the scenario with him meaning the whole thing as a business date is still highly plausible, as it would make for quite some fun.

I would laugh so hard if Dora thinks its a date and Jim just thinks its dinner to better understand his business rival/partner.

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playing with feelings?  Christ, it's the first "date" between two people getting to know each other.  If either Jim or Dora had developed strong feelings already, they have other issues to address first.

And this was another good point, although I feel this problem is way too commonplace.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #34 on: 13 Jun 2011, 00:36 »

I really do not want to see Dora starting a relationship with Jim- and I think if the date goes well, she'll want to. The date will probably have wacky hijinks, but I don't see Jim disappointing her just yet.

Faye might as well be an expert on mental problems keeping someone from having a relationship- if she says Dora isn't ready, I'm willing to believe her.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #35 on: 13 Jun 2011, 00:52 »

I note that Dora is comparing Jim with a revisionist view of her past:
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The way I read that, it sounds as if, in her mind, Dora is already turning the blame for the failure of her last relationship onto Marten, when actually it had been her  drama and her  setting of the pace.  I hope her therapist is good enough to be able to see through this.
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« Reply #36 on: 13 Jun 2011, 01:00 »

If she continues to see him.

No therapist in the world can help a patient who doesn't show up.
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« Reply #37 on: 13 Jun 2011, 01:10 »

If she continues to see him.

No therapist in the world can help a patient who doesn't show up.

Sad but true. I really hope that we get to see one of her therapy sessions soon.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #38 on: 13 Jun 2011, 01:46 »

Somewhere between the two extremes I would think, but closer to the second scenario.


Dora, by breaking up with Marten, put herself into a position where she can fall into her old traps. Now there's been enough time since the breakup that Dora has rationalized some of her actions so that she no longer sees the breakup as her fault as much. She may also simply be starting to get a little horny, and the scary relationship angst voices are being drowned out by the libido chorus.

She's like an alchoholic who's been sober for two months and thinks he's cured, so it's okay if he goes ahead and has that glass of scotch.

None of this means that Dora is a bad person or that I or anyone else on the forum thinks bad things should happen to her. We just are afraid that if she pursues this, she's just going to be right back where she started in six months or a year. Meanwhile, she's not only alienated her two best friends (Marten and Faye), she has jeopardized her business as well. This is assuming that Jim would be a good match for her, which I have not been convinced of. He probably has some issues regarding his divorce that he may not have unpacked yet, and judging by Dora's body language when they first met, I don't think she's that attracted to him.

The problems that Dora had during her relationship with Marten have not gone away, they have simply been dormant while she hasn't been seeing anyone.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #39 on: 13 Jun 2011, 01:46 »

To heck with fixing anything, I'm just gonna drop all of my unresolved baggage on someone else!
Who I also happen to be starting a business relationship with!
What could possibly go wrong?

You talking about Dora, or Jim?

Seriously, is it permitted to post in this thread if you don't hate Dora?! The impression this thread is giving is that
a) Dora now blames Marten for everything,
b) She's dating Jim to spite Marten - which, given her attitude towards Faye-Sven would make her a complete hypocrite, but then...
c) Dora's a complete bitch, and everything she does is from purely evil motives. She's probably planning to get Jim to change his will, then murder him,
d) It'll all end in tears, at which point we'll all celebrate.

Heck, it couldn't possibly be
a) Dora blames herself for screwing up another relationship,
b) She has low self-esteem right now,
c) A "sexy older man" asks her out on a date, and she's flattered,
d) She accepts, somewhat against her better judgment, and is trying to persuade herself that his approach is "refreshing" rather than "creepy".
could it?

To be honest I'm not sure what the results would be. I don't hate Dora (in fact I really enjoy her character). I think part of it might just be some lingering irritation from people that Dora feels like either a Karma Houdini and/or that the fact that Dora seems to be doing well with Marten still in depression (and even arguably still trod on) causes some extra Dora hate. That being said, I am not sure this would end well, if only because Jims own actions earlier makes me worry that it could either lead to Dora being broken and/or it ending badly for business which then shakes her confidence in her ability to run a business (a point of pride) as well as her own attractiveness and how others would view her. It might end up breaking her heart and either make things much harder for her or cause her to do something that could cause harm/drama to others.

Then again it might turn out perfectly happy and Dora end up feeling wonderful and much better about herself.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #40 on: 13 Jun 2011, 01:54 »

Say what you like, but personally I think she's making a mistake in going out with Jim.  It strikes me that Jim has his own issues.

I can see this ending in a Faye/Sven train wreck - only uglier.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #41 on: 13 Jun 2011, 02:15 »

I think the best possible outcome would be for Dora to begin dating Jim, but see he's full of shit after a short time. This will then cause her to rethink her feelings vis-a-vis her relationship with Marten. At which point she'll seek to have him become part of her life again, if only as friends.

Unfortunately, Dora is not good at the letting-herself-be-vulnerable thing, so I fear it is unlikely she will initiate any kind of reconciliation with Marten. More likely she'll dump Jim and bemoan her inability to find a decent guy to Faye, who will then drag her by the earlobe and force her to sit down and talk with Marten.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #42 on: 13 Jun 2011, 02:53 »

I don't think anyone in this thread "hates" Dora.  I dislike her as a "person", because I feel she doesn't look at herself in a healthy critical manner (she seems to me to flop between "Everything I do is wrong" and "Everything is perfectly fine and under control"), and I think it hurts her and the people around her.  I like her as a character, because she is realistic and well-written.  She's not some evil harpy who was out to get Marten, but that doesn't mean I have to like her, either.

From what Sven has suggested, if I recall correctly, was that Dora has spent very little time single.  I think it would be good for her to spend some time by herself and figure out a little bit more of why her relationships are so hard for her, and better ways of coping other than blowing up/shutting down.  While this could just be a first date, nothing serious, I feel like Dora has a tendency to avoid dealing with things that are difficult, because she likes to have control over what's happening in her life, and I think she overestimates her ability to keep her emotions in check.  Maybe this isn't her doing the same thing that she tends to do, maybe not, we don't know, but I don't think it's out-of-line to suggest that perhaps she isn't having "just a date".
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #43 on: 13 Jun 2011, 03:17 »

I have to say, Dora's comment about Marten kind of ticks me off a lot. She was the one to ask Marten out, she was the one who broke up because she had issues, and while Marten does pussyfoot around issues, I don't feel like that applies to their previous relationship.



Also, regardless of whether or not Jim/Dora happens, I feel more bad for Jim than Dora. He was largely attracted to her because of her apparent maturity, which has kinda been lacking lately. He seems like a nice guy, though. I'm curious how much of his personality we'll see in the date.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #44 on: 13 Jun 2011, 03:35 »

If Marten pussyfooted around Faye and Dora, it's because he didn't want to lose any toes!

Many other guys would have said the hell with both of them a long time ago. Maybe it's because he's indecisive, but I think it's because he genuinely cares for both of them.

Regarding the end of their relationship, Marten tried to help Dora until he realized that her problems were beyond his abilities.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #45 on: 13 Jun 2011, 03:47 »

Somewhere between the two extremes I would think, but closer to the second scenario.


Dora, by breaking up with Marten, put herself into a position where she can fall into her old traps. Now there's been enough time since the breakup that Dora has rationalized some of her actions so that she no longer sees the breakup as her fault as much. She may also simply be starting to get a little horny, and the scary relationship angst voices are being drowned out by the libido chorus.

She's like an alchoholic who's been sober for two months and thinks he's cured, so it's okay if he goes ahead and has that glass of scotch.

None of this means that Dora is a bad person or that I or anyone else on the forum thinks bad things should happen to her. We just are afraid that if she pursues this, she's just going to be right back where she started in six months or a year. Meanwhile, she's not only alienated her two best friends (Marten and Faye), she has jeopardized her business as well. This is assuming that Jim would be a good match for her, which I have not been convinced of. He probably has some issues regarding his divorce that he may not have unpacked yet, and judging by Dora's body language when they first met, I don't think she's that attracted to him.

The problems that Dora had during her relationship with Marten have not gone away, they have simply been dormant while she hasn't been seeing anyone.

Can you clarify something for me? How exactly would she "jeopardize her business"? Even if things go sour, CoD doesn't seem to be based upon its pastry sales - but rather the sales of its coffee. Considering that Jim himself admits that Dora's coffee is superior to his own, I don't see how losing some until-recent-good-sales of baked goods will jeopardize her business wise.

To an unrelated point - I read Dora talking about the refreshing change as being the difference in the way things went. When things started with Marten, there was "drama" in that she had Faye's feeling to contend with then and (in her mind) all throughout. I don't think she's blaming anyone, just stating the obvious. I know a lot of people will probably disagree with this thought, but perhaps this is seeing Dora working through her issues? We haven't seen her in therapy, we haven't seen what's being discussed there and what her therapist has recommended or suggested. Maybe "just a date" is her way of trying to test the waters and see how she handles things. I think another poster is right. I've been reading but not posting here because, honestly, the forum seems like a LOT of Faye-love and Dora-"hate". Most comics that I read and that I've read in the past has a "villian" character. QC does seem to really be missing a character that readers love to hate because they actually do something to deserve that title. IMHO Dora hasn't done anything to deserve that particular title on her, yet it seems (IE - from months of reading things people have said about her) that she does indeed seem to be quite a few people's "villian").

Faye use to physically hit Marten, and admitted to his mother she knew she was hard on him even though he let her, a total stranger, move in with him after she accidentially burned her own apartment down. And really, it seemed he was only do that because 1. he's a doormat and 2. he was hoping it would lead to something else. Faye recognized her behavior and went to therapy and she's proclaimed a great person for it. Marten hasn't even admitted (that I can recall, help me out here) that he's basically a walking doormat, hasn't really done anything to change that and yet it's kind of thought of (and bitched about) as "whatever". And then Dora has issues, she doesn't deal with them, but she's a raging bitch and everything is her fault with her relationship with Marten? Last I checked it takes two. Marten could have easily said no to starting things off, though I doubt his doormatness would have let him. Dora is not without blame nor is she completely at fault, either.

Last I checked as well Dora was single from the time she was introduced until she began dating Marten. So perhaps close to, roughly about the same time that Marten was single from his last relationship? But yet it's called out that she needs to be single for awhile while Marten needs to get out more? When Marten has his own issues he hasn't even really acknowledged? Buh? It may seem like justification to some people, but in all honsety, this is how someone who reads, but doesn't participate in the day to day discussions sees the postings here. You love Hanners, Faye is a goddess and Dora can hop the next train out. And yes, I will completely admit that Dora is my favorite character - but I know she's done stupid things, acted out of line and needs help. I get frustrated with things other characters do and say but no where near to the point that some people seem to get about Dora. I usually get more entertainment out of the RAWR postings than I do from the comic.

And please, this is just my own view of things - I don't admit to knowing things better than anyone, nor am I saying anyone and everyone hates Dora, wah wah. Just thought I'd throw my opinion in the delightful mix of the forums.

So, um, yeah. Hi everyone. I'll, uh, I'll be over here in my corner now. Waaaaaaaaaay over here. With my construction helmet on. Don't mind me. ^_^
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #46 on: 13 Jun 2011, 04:06 »

Just be careful to distinguish hating Dora's behaviour at certain times from hating Dora as a character; one does not necessarily imply or lead to the other.

As for the business; although it's reasonably stable, there's not a lot of leeway either, as the arc when the coffee machine blew up showed.  It's not that falling out with Jim would break it, but that it would probably remove this welcome improvement.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #47 on: 13 Jun 2011, 04:35 »

@ Atherius

I actually like Dora quite a bit as a character, I disagree with a lot of her actions and dislike plenty of them but I don't hate her. I'd also point out that plenty of people also dislike Steve, or Marigold, or Angus, or Faye or any number of other characters. As to why some get more 'hate' than others, it sort of depends on time and context. To be honest, I don't much like Steve, in the more recent comics he's been kind of a jerk to Marten, I am also not a big fan of Martens mother given how she acted after Dora dumped him.

I think I mentioned it a little earlier, I think some of the venom aimed at Dora is from people seeing Marten still being kicked by fate while Dora gets a new business opportunity, a date, etc. and seems to have had no real negative results from her choosing her neuroses over Marten. Some people may not like Dora as a character but I don't think that the forum is a big 'Hate Dora' thing, at least that isn't my view on it but I could be wrong.
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #48 on: 13 Jun 2011, 04:46 »

Considering that Jim himself admits that Dora's coffee is superior to his own, I don't see how losing some until-recent-good-sales of baked goods will jeopardize her business wise.

Maybe "just a date" is her way of trying to test the waters and see how she handles things.

Most comics that I read and that I've read in the past has a "villian" character. QC does seem to really be missing a character that readers love to hate because they actually do something to deserve that title. IMHO Dora hasn't done anything to deserve that particular title on her, yet it seems (IE - from months of reading things people have said about her) that she does indeed seem to be quite a few people's "villian").

So, um, yeah. Hi everyone. I'll, uh, I'll be over here in my corner now. Waaaaaaaaaay over here. With my construction helmet on. Don't mind me. ^_^

Hi, Atherius!  Welcome!     :-D

You make some good points, and I used to like Dora, too.  But over the long course of Dora-Marten, if you add up all the ugly-drama she's laid on our beloved hero (which some ambitious, devoted forumites have written out in sometimes vast detail, with annotated lists and links to all her crap) it's not a pretty picture.  I'm not gonna do any comprehensive justice here; I wonder if anyone else would care to link to any of those essays?
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Re: WCDT: 13th-17th June (1946-1950)
« Reply #49 on: 13 Jun 2011, 05:05 »

Just to throw some fresh excrement into the rotary impeller...

I quite miffed that Jeph didn't choose to explore a fresh kind of relationship. Tai has been pining for Dora since BEFORE she and Marten broke up.

Hopefully, this fling with Jim will fail quickly and we can see more unique possibilites?
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