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[LookingIn]

Hey, anything's better than a fighter pilot who gets the ring and then immediately murders a few people in a parking lot.

Rule #1 of the ring: you can't kill. Beat them to a bloody pulp, but not kill.

[Method of Madness]

Nobody told Ryan Reynolds.

[LookingIn]

Nobody told Ryan Reynolds.

A lot of things wrong with that and most of them were the fault of the scriptwriters. Thinking about sequels before finishing the movie can do that to you, never going to get a true resolution to that movie that people really wanted: Sinestro with the yellow ring, battle for who is really the best ringslinger in the universe!

[Method of Madness]

People wanted a sequel to that movie? First time I've heard that.

[LookingIn]

People wanted a sequel to that movie? First time I've heard that.

Hints were left there that if you are familiar with the basic Green Lantern mythos over the decades you can see they were setting up at least one sequel if not two.

Sinestro is still a Green Lantern and doesn't have his yellow power ring yet and Sinestro started a rift by rebelling against the Guardians that was left unresolved. These two aren't coincidental. He was being set up for a movie where he betrays the Corps, becomes the yellow ring bearer, and battles Jordan.

[Method of Madness]

Totally not what I asked. Yes, they were setting up a sequel, that was clear. I'm just shocked to hear that anyone who saw that movie wanted one.

[LookingIn]

Totally not what I asked. Yes, they were setting up a sequel, that was clear. I'm just shocked to hear that anyone who saw that movie wanted one.

People wanted a movie, otherwise it wouldn't have been made. People didn't want to see it again after seeing it the first time though....

[Method of Madness]

Except the sequel never was made, because people didn't want it. Am I missing something?

[LookingIn]

Except the sequel never was made, because people didn't want it. Am I missing something?

We are on the same page but as usual for me what I am trying to say and what comes out is garbled. The studio killed the sequels. If this movie had made a decent profit a sequel would have been made despite the negative reviews from critics and fans. What prevented the sequel was that the movie had a big loss thanks to the marketing costs that the studio paid to get the word out about the film.

People did in fact want to see the movie, and there are many who did in fact like the movie despite its faults. However there weren't enough to make up for the studio's huge marketing expenses.

[LookingIn]

Actual casting news instead of just rumors: Jesse Eisenberg is cast as Lex Luthor and Jeremy Irons is cast as Alfred in the upcoming Man of Steel sequel. Lex Luthor is intriguing since if he isn't the main villain it might be setting up something bigger for the third movie and/or the Justice League movie(s).

[Blue Kitty]

 

I don't see it.

[Method of Madness]

I'm still pissed they'll never make Red Son.

[Thrillho]

Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?

[Blue Kitty]

I'm still pissed they'll never make Red Son.

Probably as an animated movie they will

[Method of Madness]

That's not what I meant. I meant as a theatrically released live-action Superman movie. I'd be happy even with an animated one, but still, it's a better story than any live-action movie by far.

[LookingIn]

Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?

Why not?

[LookingIn]

That's not what I meant. I meant as a theatrically released live-action Superman movie. I'd be happy even with an animated one, but still, it's a better story than any live-action movie by far.

I am doubtful it would make an OK live action movie. The whole premise of the movie hinges on a "what if" scenario, after a few minutes it gets cringe inducing and wouldn't hold an audience for the entire film. Animated is the way to go for that storyline.

[Method of Madness]

after a few minutes it gets cringe inducing

Wait, what? What makes you say that?

[LookingIn]

after a few minutes it gets cringe inducing

Wait, what? What makes you say that?

After you established that everyone did what he told them to do at the behest of the CCCP then it is just rehashing the same point over and over again. It gets boring to the point of cringe inducing, and you have to cut out a lot of parts of the story to make it watchable...which is why it makes a great 75 minute movie where they can cut out a lot of the fluff and get to the three subplots(Lex Luthor, Batmankoff, and his two love stories)...

[jwhouk]

What about that "other" elseworlds story? You know, the one where Kal-El is found by a certain wealthy couple from Gotham City?

[Method of Madness]

LookingIn, what about Brainiac? But fair enough, I'll take an animated movie. ANYTHING, really. But I can't imagine anyone being bored while reading it.

[LookingIn]

LookingIn, what about Brainiac?

Brainiac as a character in a movie or one of the storylines involving him being made into a movie?

But fair enough, I'll take an animated movie. ANYTHING, really. But I can't imagine anyone being bored while reading it.

I actually got bored. It was one of the few occasions where I was let down badly by the book. It is also one where the trimming to make it into an animated movie would help it.

But whatever they do, hopefully they don't water it down so much that subplots and major points are ignored or cut out for the sake of time like they did with All Star Superman...

[Blue Kitty]

From Thor is the new Superman

thor is fun, the way superman should be; his cape is a bright, hopeful red and you want to hang out with him. the superman in man of steel is a guy you want to keep your distance from, more coldly alien than the asgardian who just arrived here. they’re both immigrants to earth, but even though the man of steel superman was raised here, thor feels more connected to humans in his movies, more their champion. more their superman.

Some thoughts based on this:

I remember seeing Thor trying to get people to safety during super-battles in his two movies.  I don’t remember seeing Superman trying to do that in Man of Steel.

That’s a problem.

honestly, even though it was probably a coincidence, I thought the fun and goofy action climax of Thor was a repudiation of Man of Steel’s hyperkinetic mass-murdering punchfest.

Having established that the stakes are the entire physical universe including the earth and everyone on it, the filmmakers behind Thor didn’t feel the need to show The Human CostTM with a lot of pointless destruction.

Also Man of Steel never really dealt with the destruction after it was no longer a “necessary” plot point. While 85% of Thor: The Dark World is about this is what happens when you ignore the destruction you cause.

[Lupercal]

Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?

Should've been Heisenberg.

[Pilchard123]

I'm a bit uncertain about that...

[Kugai]

Maybe, but it could transport the character and energise the movie.

[Edguy]

Only thing that bugs me is his voice, and the fact that he is considerably younger than Cavill. Other than that, I think it's an interesting cast.

Eisenberg, are you fucking serious?

[Method of Madness]

he is considerably younger than Cavill

Yes, five months is a significant amount of time (May 5/October 5, both 1983)

[Lines]

He definitely looks younger, he just has a youthful appearance. But when I think Lex Luthor, I think the Justice League cartoon version. Big, charismatic man with a bold voice. Jesse Eisenberg is none of those things. And personally, I've hated him in everything except Zombieland. I just don't like watching him, I find him annoying. I mean, he did a good job in The Social Network, but...not really what I see for a major villain. Also he'll look terrible bald.

But Jeremy Irons I will totally get behind. Although I think Michael Caine will remain my favorite.

[Alex C]

I'm not sure he'd look ridiculous bald. He has a pretty angular face under that mop of hair.

[Edguy]

he is considerably younger than Cavill

Yes, five months is a significant amount of time (May 5/October 5, both 1983)

Seriously, Jesse is 30!? Haha, I would never have guessed!

[Blue Kitty]

So, new title for the Superman/Batman, I mean Batman/Superman movie

Also, David Goyer proves he shouldn't be anywhere near a comic book movie

[Neko_Ali]

I'm not sure he should be anywhere near anything except a cave man with that kind of attitude...

[Edguy]

Also, David Goyer proves he shouldn't be anywhere near a comic book movie

..and still some people think Snyder is the problem? Nolan is a great filmmaker, and it worked out with the dark Knight films since that was a separate thing, and he could bend and change things to his liking. He just doesn't have the interest or respect to work with a cinematic universe. And Goyer.. Goyer shouldn't interact with humans.
Snyder might not be a genius when it comes to storytelling, but he does amazing visuals for comic book movies, and stays very true to source material. If Snyder directed, and had someone like Kevin Feige to oversee and guide him, then I'm confident he could make some really great stuff. Instead we have Nolan who dosn't care other than making "his own twist" on the material, and Goyer who's utterly incompetent. 

[Method of Madness]

Wait, how is Nolan the problem? And how is putting "his own twist" a bad thing?

[Edguy]

Nolan has little to no interest in the DC Universe. He didn't even want to make a third Batman movie, much less an expanded universe. The only reason he had anything to do with Man of Steel was so that they could slap on "from the director of The Dark Knight trilogy". He is a problem (a minor one, since his involvement is little to none now) because everyone wants him to lead the DC cinematic universe, the money people most of all, even though he has no interest to do so. Nolan and Goyer are the reasons why Man of Steel was so dark and grim and completely devoid of and cheerfulness.

[Method of Madness]

What's wrong with dark and grim?

[Neko_Ali]

For Batman? Nothing. For Superman? Everything.

[Method of Madness]

Why? And "it's not supposed to be" isn't an answer.

[Kugai]

Guy sounds like an absolute first rate twat.

[Thrillho]

Why? And "it's not supposed to be" isn't an answer.

There is putting your own spin on a character, and then sacrificing basically everything about a character completely nonsensically.

Examples of putting your own twist on a character:
- Nolan's Batman, which is gritty and noirish but still maintains the parents dead/doesn't use guns/life war on crime/struggles to keep life and Batman in check element
- Brainiac in the DCAU being from Krypton to add a different spin on the Brainiac/Superman war
- Mr Freeze in B:TAS

Examples of sacrificing the entire point of the character to 'put your own spin' on it:
- The Sylvester Stallone Dredd movie in which he takes off his helmet
- Man Of Steel, in which Superman indiscriminately destroys the entire world around him without once thinking about saving civilians (on camera)
- Deadpool showing up in Wolverine and then having his mouth sewn shut

Can you do dark Superman? Sure you can. You could probably even do dark Superman without sacrificing the character's core values.

But the question is why? What is the point in dark Superman? He's Superman. He's the big blue boy scout. That's his whole deal. If you're wanting to make a dark, realistic, gritty superhero movie, why did you choose the Truth, Justice and the American Way guy?

[Method of Madness]

Good point. The DCAU Superman is easily my favorite Superman though in any TV/movie. Have any live-action Superman movies had anything as great as the "World of Cardboard" speech?

Actually, after I posted this, I had a thought. You know where the movie really fucked up? Pa Kent. But considering the Pa Kent they used, the way Superman turned out makes complete sense.

[Thrillho]

Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.

[Neko_Ali]

There have been Dark Superman stories before. But they work because they are such a counterpoint to the way he normally is. Like said, he's the Big Blue Boyscout. He does the right thing because it's the right thing to do. He has a strong moral code and he cares for the well being of others. He has to be, because he has equal potential to be a near unstoppable monster.

If Man of Steel hadn't been yet another retelling of his origin story, making it dark and gritty could very well have worked. An exploration of just what it would take to make Supes go all dark on people. And like I said, that has been explored in comics before. But re-imagining his entire story in the grim and realistic Nolan Batman style just doesn't work for the character. It brings him to far away from the character everyone knows from the comics, the character people expect to see. Making him unconcerned about the damage his battles cause, and killing people with his bare hands is to much a difference in character, that's a big part of why the movie was not well received. It would be as much a failure if they decided they needed to friendly up the next Batman movie and put him in a pastel batsuit, giving criminals a stern talking to while calling the police because private citizens shouldn't act as vigilantes....

[Blue Kitty]

I know I was looking for a new female superhero, and the idea of an intelligent Hulk-type grabbed me. …Never for an instant did I want her as a love interest for Hulk. Only a nut would even think of that

[Edguy]

Good point. The DCAU Superman is easily my favorite Superman though in any TV/movie. Have any live-action Superman movies had anything as great as the "World of Cardboard" speech?

Man, that is so great. Justice League and the rest of the DCAU is so good, why can't the films be that good?

Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.

Yes.

[Lupercal]

Pa Kent's death scene in that movie may be the angriest a film has ever made me for its sheer, relentless stupidity.

Can you expand on this? I've heard this before...but I can't bear to watch MoS again!

Batman v Superman: Department of Justice

or, Yes, The Sequel Will Be Justice League, Thanks For Asking

[Thrillho]

I thought I had already put that in here but I think I put it in the movies you saw thread, so let me summarise.

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Pa Kent gets killed while saving a fucking DOG from a tornado and telling his super-powered, faster-than-a-speeding-bullet son not to save him because ooooooh that would reveal your gift to the public, a.k.a. what was blantly going to happen anyway and you already pushed a fucking schoolbus out of a river, pretty sure people know you're fucked up. Also they had the most pathetically obvious argument mere moments before the death. It was fucking RIDICULOUS. 'No, preposterously overpowered alien son who could do this with ease, don't save me from the stupidest fucking thing a human being could imaginably do.'

[Method of Madness]

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Hey, saving a dog is not a bad thing to do. But yeah, by the time Pa Kent had finished saving the words "don't save me", he should've then realized Clark had already zipped over, grabbed him and the pup, and brought them back under the bridge, and nobody would've noticed because he was too fast to see and they were watching the tornado.

[Blue Kitty]