Topic: WCDT: 2480-2484 (1-5 July, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread (Read 57367 times)

Pilchard123 · « **Reply #200 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 08:08 »

My post was only a somewhat contrived road name joke, though if the mod-post was directed at me then I apologise and shall not do it again.

~~Valdís~~ · « **Reply #201 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 08:12 »

Quote from: ankhtahr on 05 Jul 2013, 07:12

Yes, he is…
All aboard the "Marten/Emily"!

pwhodges · « **Reply #202 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 08:50 »

Don't worry. No lines have been crossed; but each approach can make it easier for someone else to go too far, is all.

DSL · « **Reply #203 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 09:12 »

Besides, once VV sees the soul patch it'll be all over for that ship.

bhtooefr · « **Reply #204 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 09:33 »

I actually had a really bad shipmanteau joke, involving the song Row, Row, Row Your Boat (even though the pronunciation would be simply wrong), saved up. Decided against it.

Border Reiver · « **Reply #205 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 10:36 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 05 Jul 2013, 07:42

I'd be curious as to what was making more than one person think of pairing us up more than just what he looked like.

This happen to you often?

Storel · « **Reply #206 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 11:09 »

Quote from: Nighthawk700 on 05 Jul 2013, 07:04

I think Jeph is doing a great job of poking at the shippers.

Yeah, this definitely feels like trolling the 'shippers to me. Nicely done, too.

I don't see Veronica changing her mind no matter what she finds in that search.

Zebediah · « **Reply #207 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 11:17 »

Just playing devil's advocate here: Veronica is in "Oh God I'm so lonely!" territory, which can lead people to do highly irrational things.

She also seems self-aware enough that she wouldn't make a life-changing decision while in that territory. She may daydream, but that's all.

cesium133 · « **Reply #208 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 11:18 »

She (and Henry for that matter) do have a tendency to visit Marten with little-to-no notice.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #209 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 14:52 »

In general they're not into advance planning.

Nepiophage · « **Reply #210 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 14:55 »

Quote from: gopher on 05 Jul 2013, 01:01

On the bright side Veronica seems to be looking a lot younger these days. Clearly toyboys are good for the skin.

Every time Veronica appears, she looks younger. Check out
432 - first appearance
1820 - after The Breakup
2409 - At the wedding
2484 - today

Whatever she's taking, I want some.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #211 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 15:00 »

I partially disagree, I think she looks significantly older in 1820 than she does in 432, which makes it all the more jarring at the wedding that she looks even younger than she does in 432.

Akima · « **Reply #212 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 15:12 »

Well... VV could have had a little "work" done, it might even be a tax-deductible expense.

Masterpiece · « **Reply #213 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 15:22 »

Are we really calling her VV now? Her legal name is still Veronica Reed after all.

cesium133 · « **Reply #214 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 15:28 »

Considering she's divorced, wouldn't she go back to using her original name? And has her original name ever been mentioned in the comic?

ElvisRevenge · « **Reply #215 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 15:44 »

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Marten's mom without makeup looks FOOOOOOINE!

Carl-E · « **Reply #216 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 16:13 »

Quote from: Border Reiver on 05 Jul 2013, 10:36

Quote from: Carl-E on 05 Jul 2013, 07:42
I'd be curious as to what was making more than one person think of pairing us up more than just what he looked like.

This happen to you often?

Getting paired up, or really bad sentence structure?

ankhtahr · « **Reply #217 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 16:17 »

… both?

Carl-E · « **Reply #218 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 16:24 »

Bad sentence structure is a constant hazard.

I'm short, bald, overweight and over 50. No, don't get paired up a lot.

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #219 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 16:27 »

I think we're seeing the evolution of Jeph's art here, and not any kind of intentional change in appearance.

In the 400s, the differences in characters were pretty subtle. I think Veronica looks youngest in that series, if only because her appearance isn't that different from much younger girls and she almost looks like just a slightly larger Dora.

The 1800s show a pretty big difference between the beginning and end. When she appears in 1820 the lines defining her cheeks and eye lines are pretty dark, making her look much older than in the 400s... so much so that I was trying to figure out who she was. By 1829-30-31 those lines have significantly lightened and are much more subtle. Were I guessing I'd say Jeph was figuring out how to draw her in the updated style and made some adjustments along the way to dial her in a little better.

At the wedding, for me, anyway, the glasses really dominated her features. The cheek lines are now gone, eye lines remain and are more shading differences than actual lines. You could convince me that perhaps she had some work done in between to soften those cheek lines but I think it's just as likely a drawing style update.

So take her glasses off and return her to her home setting in relaxed mode and you get the hotness that is 2484. When I get a chance to watch the stream (which I highly recommend... watch Jeph's twitter each night for details and a link to the stream) I'm frequently astonished how much difference the glasses make. He draws the faces first, then adds the glasses later.

If I get some time I might put together one of those side-by-side-by-side multi-frame pictures of Veronica's appearances (if no one beats me to it, hint hint)

Kugai · « **Reply #220 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 17:05 »

Now who says she ain't interested

jwhouk · « **Reply #221 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 18:14 »

Jeph's art around the time of Dora in her blonde hair was hit or miss at times. It wasn't until about right around the breakup that the art got noticeably better.

And I'm all for VV as a moniker, and I would probably agree that she's been having some "work" done. That could very well be why she's seated in her robe, after all...

Throg · « **Reply #222 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 18:55 »

Yeah--Jeph's art has improved so steadily and so incrementally that it's hard to make judgements about whether a character has "gotten work done" as opposed to Jeph has a better handle on facial structure or likes this style over that style.

And what harm in a little Googlestalking? There's a big leap to looking up people's pics online and actually making a call, let alone meeting for coffee.

I dunno, if Marten's mom ends up coming over to date, er, her son's-ex's-one-time-date, that's getting close to sharkjumping.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #223 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 19:06 »

If we're talking about business expenses, we're talking about her business, and her professional name is Veronica Vance.

Akima · « **Reply #224 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 19:13 »

Does anyone call John Wayne by anything other than his professional name? If not, I'm cool with VV.

Quote from: FunkyTuba on 05 Jul 2013, 16:27

she almost looks like just a slightly larger Dora.

This occurred to me too. A little "work", a few work-outs, and a good hairdresser...

Boxilar · « **Reply #225 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 20:02 »

I know some folks say the possible Veronica /Jim romance seems contrived. I respectfully disagree.

Veronica admitted to Marten back right after the breakup that she was lousy at relationships.

We know Mrs. Reed is more than capable from a sexual standpoint. She works as a professional dominatrix and can pick up men less than half her age for one night stands. Her problem is that she has no idea how to be in a healthy long term relationship, and at 57 is terrified of being alone. She is a beautiful attractive woman who has remained a "player" well into he fifties, but wether her fears are founded or not, she thinks she's running out of time to find someone to share her life with. She admitted at the wedding that she had no idea how to have a normal relationship and that everyone she knew was into the "scene".

I think that she's so afraid of being rejected if she goes out and tries it on her own that she's paralyzed and won't act on her own.

Enter her son, calling about a possible prospect. Suddenly, she's not on her own. Marten has suggested someone for her to date, even if it was in a dismissive way. Veronica can feel safe trying to date Jim because it wasn't entirely her idea. If it all goes pear shaped, Marten is partially to blame, even if only a little.

That frees her up to try, where before, she couldn't for fear of a failure that would have been all her fault.
Mind this not a concious thought process on her part. But I think it explains why out of the myriad of possibilities she has, she's going to fly back to Northampton and attempt to romance a man mentioned in a casual conversation with her son.

My $.02.

~~mustang6172~~ · « **Reply #226 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 20:05 »

It'll all go wrong when she decides she does not wish to be a stepmother.

Boxilar · « **Reply #227 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 20:16 »

Quote from: mustang6172 on 05 Jul 2013, 20:05

It'll all go wrong when she decides she does not wish to be a stepmother.

That, or she simply doesn't understand the basic give and take of a good relationship. She is a dominant personality.

The problem she will run into, even with her one night stands will be if her would be conquests get even a wiff of desperation from her. What makes her attractive, beyond her physical beauty, is het aura of self confidence. A hint that she is not as confident as she seemed will undermine that.

Also, what could sabotage a relationship with Jim would be a refusal to let her defenses down, to be at least a little vulnerable.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. This may amount to nothing. I am interested to see it play out, one way or the other.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #228 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 21:35 »

She seems to have been OK with being a parent, though that doesn't mean she'd want to do it again. In fact, it's notable that Marten is an only child.

mtmerrick · « **Reply #229 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 22:15 »

I have a feeling that's more due to Maurice

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #230 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 22:17 »

Sam's well past the age where she'd need/desire an extra parent in the full sense of the term most likely. So I don't think that's really a consideration. I have no doubt that Sam would appreciate another woman around besides our favorite staff of sassy baristas to get life advice from, and Veronica certainly isn't shy about giving advice when asked, but it wouldn't be "parenting" in the involved sense of raising your offspring for 18 or so years.

~~mary tyler murder~~ · « **Reply #231 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 22:24 »

it really is gonna be a 'martin's supposed friends and his mom ignore his feelings and shit all over him' arc, barf

Nepiophage · « **Reply #232 on:** 05 Jul 2013, 23:03 »

Which all reminds me of a very old and very terrible joke:

Q. How does Veronica keep her youth?

(click to show/hide)

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #233 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 00:10 »

I'm trying to imagine what it would be like for a rebellious teen to rebel against Ms. Reed.

Loki · « **Reply #234 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 02:59 »

Quote from: Boxilar on 05 Jul 2013, 20:16

Quote from: mustang6172 on 05 Jul 2013, 20:05
It'll all go wrong when she decides she does not wish to be a stepmother.

That, or she simply doesn't understand the basic give and take of a good relationship. She is a dominant personality.

The problem she will run into, even with her one night stands will be if her would be conquests get even a wiff of desperation from her. What makes her attractive, beyond her physical beauty, is het aura of self confidence. A hint that she is not as confident as she seemed will undermine that.

Also, what could sabotage a relationship with Jim would be a refusal to let her defenses down, to be at least a little vulnerable.

But I'm getting ahead of myself. This may amount to nothing. I am interested to see it play out, one way or the other.

I was actually very much against the relationship happening, but now you made me want it to appear in the comic.

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 06 Jul 2013, 00:10

I'm trying to imagine what it would be like for a rebellious teen to rebel against Ms. Reed.

...and that too

ankhtahr · « **Reply #235 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 05:37 »

I just realised how great the bottom panel of 2482 is as new panel for the QC Captions thread… If you put it out of context and blank the speech bubbles the panel gets a whole new meaning…

Kugai · « **Reply #236 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 10:56 »

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 06 Jul 2013, 00:10

I'm trying to imagine what it would be like for a rebellious teen to rebel against Ms. Reed.

But what if Sam winds up being her apprentice?

Sorflakne · « **Reply #237 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 12:22 »

Ms. Reed is looking good.

westrim · « **Reply #238 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 14:05 »

Hmm. I'm really not interested in the comic taking the suggested turn, mostly because I don't like one of the two characters involved.

Sorry I didn't make a second poll by the way, the second half of my week was rather busy. A new thread will be up tonight, because I'll be on the road tomorrow.

Storel · « **Reply #239 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 15:01 »

Quote from: Nepiophage on 05 Jul 2013, 23:03

Which all reminds me of a very old and very terrible joke:

Q. How does Veronica keep her youth?

(click to show/hide)
She doesn't. She gets a new one every month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI

Every old joke is new to someone, and that one was new to me.

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #240 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 15:52 »

Quote from: Boxilar on 05 Jul 2013, 20:02

I know some folks say the possible Veronica /Jim romance seems contrived. I respectfully disagree.

Veronica admitted to Marten back right after the breakup that she was lousy at relationships.

We know Mrs. Reed is more than capable from a sexual standpoint. She works as a professional dominatrix and can pick up men less than half her age for one night stands. Her problem is that she has no idea how to be in a healthy long term relationship, and at 57 is terrified of being alone. She is a beautiful attractive woman who has remained a "player" well into he fifties, but wether her fears are founded or not, she thinks she's running out of time to find someone to share her life with. She admitted at the wedding that she had no idea how to have a normal relationship and that everyone she knew was into the "scene".

I think that she's so afraid of being rejected if she goes out and tries it on her own that she's paralyzed and won't act on her own.

Enter her son, calling about a possible prospect. Suddenly, she's not on her own. Marten has suggested someone for her to date, even if it was in a dismissive way. Veronica can feel safe trying to date Jim because it wasn't entirely her idea. If it all goes pear shaped, Marten is partially to blame, even if only a little.

That frees her up to try, where before, she couldn't for fear of a failure that would have been all her fault.
Mind this not a concious thought process on her part. But I think it explains why out of the myriad of possibilities she has, she's going to fly back to Northampton and attempt to romance a man mentioned in a casual conversation with her son.

My $.02.

Very well said, so much so that I'm quoting the whole thing for effect.

I'd just add that the "I'm so lonely" breakdown in the bar at the wedding shows us that there are some serious chunks in her armor. She might simply not be as experienced at non-professional relationships as we might think, notwithstanding the fact that she has an adult child.

Also FWIW, I think VV exploring "vanilla dating" would be an interesting parallel to Claire exploring dating/relationships for the first time as a woman.

Carl-E · « **Reply #241 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 19:51 »

Double dates?

Oh, that's right, we still need to pair Claire up with someone.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #242 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 20:21 »

Just to clarify, does "vanilla" just mean "not S&M"?

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #243 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 21:27 »

That's the usual meaning in this context.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #244 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 21:38 »

I never understood that.

cesium133 · « **Reply #245 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 21:50 »

So if 'vanilla' means 'non-S&M', does that mean 'chocolate' is 'S&M', or is it something else?

I could make a joke about chocolate involving Is it cold in here?'s post count text, but I'll avoid that one.

Carl-E · « **Reply #246 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 22:13 »

The term "vanilla" is not in opposition to chocolate, but is a way of saying "plain".

"whitebread" is also often used in the same context. That does not mean S&M is necessarily "pumpernickel" (or rye, for that matter).

Method of Madness · « **Reply #247 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 22:29 »

That sounds kind of judgmental. Is it intended to be so?

celticgeek · « **Reply #248 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 22:33 »

Try this - NSFW

Carl-E · « **Reply #249 on:** 06 Jul 2013, 22:34 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 06 Jul 2013, 22:29

That sounds kind of judgmental. Is it intended to be so?

No, I think people just aren't used to good vanilla ice cream.

Or good white bread.

On second thought, yes, it's pretty judgmental. Think Wonderbread...

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