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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3850 on: 23 Sep 2017, 23:55 »

It'd be nice if he had translations when he had characters sign.

Do I *really* need to post a tvtropes link here?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3851 on: 24 Sep 2017, 01:10 »

I've got a bad feeling that Billie is going to get too much of a positive response and that her worst characteristics will be enabled and encouraged by her new friends. This will either get her in trouble or it will strain her relationship with Ruth and the others at Read Hall, leaving her with the need to make a choice about what she wants more: External validation or meaningful relationships.

Oh, and I now desperately want Joyce to run into Lucy at Jacob's church and the two to become best friends. The amount of pure joyful positive sugar will be astonishing and will probably start crystallising out as a thin layer of frosting on the walls and floors!
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3852 on: 24 Sep 2017, 08:37 »

It'd be nice if he had translations when he had characters sign.

Do I *really* need to post a tvtropes link here?
You could just tell me what link it would be instead of being kind of unhelpful?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3853 on: 24 Sep 2017, 11:49 »

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3854 on: 24 Sep 2017, 17:10 »

So far so good.  But remember Billie, pride goeth before a fall.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3855 on: 25 Sep 2017, 05:45 »

Oh sorry.  Here it is: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BilingualBonus
Ahh. Do they really show enough in the panels for people who know ASL to be able to get the gist of what they're saying?

Also Joyce, Episcopalians are Protestants, but Justine (my Catholic girlfriend) has referred to them as "Catholicism light". (This is not meant as an insult)
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3856 on: 25 Sep 2017, 05:57 »

Also Joyce, Episcopalians are Protestants, but Justine (my Catholic girlfriend) has referred to them as "Catholicism light". (This is not meant as an insult)

They are either identical to or very similar to what we here in the UK call the 'High Church', which was basically the post-Henry VIII Catholic church  that no longer recognised the Pope's authority. There was a flirtation with puritanism during the brief reign of Edward VI that led to the disappearance of icons but, mostly, it remains a Catholic-esque sect with many of the same rituals and observances, just exclusively carried out in English.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3857 on: 25 Sep 2017, 06:51 »

They are either identical to or very similar to what we here in the UK call the 'High Church', which was basically the post-Henry VIII Catholic church  that no longer recognised the Pope's authority. There was a flirtation with puritanism during the brief reign of Edward VI that led to the disappearance of icons

It's worth noting that the Church of England - the origin of the worldwide Anglican communion - encompasses to this day a huge variety of viewpoints and rituals, from the Laudian "Anglo-Catholics" at the high-church end to pretty fundamentalist evangelical puritans at the low-church end.  It is amazing that some of these can co-exist, but this is the reason for the indecisiveness of the C of E in general.  It is one of the great British compromises!
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3858 on: 25 Sep 2017, 16:22 »

Don't Geek Joyce
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3859 on: 25 Sep 2017, 16:44 »

That's not a face of someone who's geeking out. That's a face of someone facing horror beyond imagining... They're doing God wrong!!!!!
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« Reply #3860 on: 25 Sep 2017, 18:43 »

Exactly. Plus...why would geeking out be bad?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3861 on: 26 Sep 2017, 07:55 »

Wow, Joyce, you're being super shitty. It's kinda funny that electric guitars are the biggest deal, though. Also can someone explain the occupied vs. empty cross thing? An empty cross is still showing what killed him, wouldn't celebrating his resurrection be an empty cave?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3862 on: 26 Sep 2017, 08:14 »

Wow, Joyce, you're being super shitty. It's kinda funny that electric guitars are the biggest deal, though. Also can someone explain the occupied vs. empty cross thing? An empty cross is still showing what killed him, wouldn't celebrating his resurrection be an empty cave?

I have no certain knowledge but I think that some groups feel that a model of a bloodied and broken man nailed to a cross as a symbol of veneration is, at the very least, in highly poor taste, compared to a completely abstract shape. I think that I understand that; there is a touch of sadistic voyeurism about it at least in my view.

Then again, my particular group rejects all forms of religious imagery of all kinds as objects of veneration so I might not be the best person to ask.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3863 on: 26 Sep 2017, 08:47 »

The cross isn't a "completely abstract shape," though, it's explicitly a method of execution. Yeah, it's less unpleasant without Jesus on it, but it still is a symbol of his death, is it not?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is your particular group? I'm merely curious, you should not feel compelled to answer if that is private.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3864 on: 26 Sep 2017, 09:26 »


It's actually a really simple strategy by the Catholic church..

"LOOK! LOOK WHAT YOUR SIN DID TO HIM!! LOOK WHAT HE HAD TO SUFFER AND HOW HE HAD TO DIE FOR YOU !!! VENERATE HIM!!!!"

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« Reply #3865 on: 26 Sep 2017, 09:28 »


It's actually a really simple strategy by the Catholic church..

"LOOK! LOOK WHAT YOUR SIN DID TO HIM!! LOOK WHAT HE HAD TO SUFFER AND HOW HE HAD TO DIE FOR YOU !!! VENERATE HIM!!!!"

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(Holy Trinity / Three in One / One in Substance with the Father... hence... "Worship of God, not of Idolatry"... Emotional use of ICONS (important distinction)).
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3866 on: 26 Sep 2017, 10:32 »

As someone who was raised as Catholic, I never understood the obsession with the crucifixion myself. It's not just the image of Jesus on the cross, or talk about how he was killed then resurrected... They go into great detail about it. Most Catholic churches have some area devoted to painting or murals of the stations of the cross, basically a picture book of Jesus' torture and public execution... I suppose it's to feed into the guilt and persecution complexes the church tries to instill on it's followers.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3867 on: 26 Sep 2017, 11:03 »

Ok, but I mean...how is the empty cross any better? How is it any different than a religion where the prophet who was executed by electric chair and using that as the religion's symbol?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3868 on: 26 Sep 2017, 14:58 »

The actual graphic representation of an injured, bloody, suffering and dying Christ figure atop it. It's a lot more in your face when there's a body and face able to stare back at you than empty.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3869 on: 26 Sep 2017, 15:43 »

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3870 on: 26 Sep 2017, 16:24 »

Joyce is most certainly not High Church.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3871 on: 26 Sep 2017, 23:15 »

What Joyce definitely is appears to be 'crushing on Jacob', which, from his smile, I think he finds kind of cute.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3872 on: 26 Sep 2017, 23:18 »

Religion continues to completely baffle me.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3873 on: 27 Sep 2017, 02:26 »

Religion continues to completely baffle me.

For about a dozen years I studied and searched for a religion.

After those dozen years it seemed incontrovertibly apparent that the problem with religion... is people.
Every one I studied held the populace to the highest ideals.
And EVERY ONE, at all levels, was rife with hypocrisy and elite-ism.

My basic conclusion was,
"If you wanna believe in any god, do so. Just don't try and include anyone else in that relationship. Keep it between YOU and whoever your god may be,"

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3874 on: 27 Sep 2017, 05:17 »

Jacob's a good dude. Also, have we ever seen the back of his head? I'm really curious if the really thin bit of hair that's separated from the rest of his hair goes all the way around. I guess I'll go back and check.

Edit: This seems to indicate that it does. Honestly, that might be the most baffling hairstyle I've ever seen. I'm not asking why, I'm asking how. Does he shave the bald bit really often? That seems so inconvenient.

Further Edit: And this one confirms it.
« Last Edit: 27 Sep 2017, 05:23 by Method of Madness »
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3875 on: 27 Sep 2017, 07:16 »

He goes to a barber regularly.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3876 on: 27 Sep 2017, 15:37 »

He definitely is acting the way she needs at this point.

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3877 on: 28 Sep 2017, 07:24 »

I find myself suddenly warming up to Malaya...
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3878 on: 28 Sep 2017, 07:52 »

Plus she brought us my favorite DoA sound effect so far. *Kick scootch*
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3879 on: 28 Sep 2017, 13:38 »

Ok, I'm probably forgetting something, but...why do we dislike Malaya again?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3880 on: 28 Sep 2017, 14:38 »

eeeeh... Not so much *dislike* as given little reason to like her. She's kind of like Carla. Rough, abrasive, standoffish, prickly. Sal doesn't like her because she's in roller derby too, but was always harsh to Sal. And then Marcie got the hots for Malaya and spending all her time with her instead of Sal.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3881 on: 29 Sep 2017, 16:52 »

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« Reply #3882 on: 29 Sep 2017, 23:36 »

In a lot of ways, Carla is just a little kid at heart. She is capable of malicious action but mostly she just doesn't think about the effect on others because she's having too much fun right now! I also think that she'll find some completely offbeat and deniable way to apologise to Ruth without being seen as soft.
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« Reply #3883 on: 30 Sep 2017, 14:47 »

True

Carla can be a bit self-centered, but she is capable of learning.
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« Reply #3884 on: 01 Oct 2017, 13:53 »

And his name is Iggy
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« Reply #3885 on: 02 Oct 2017, 11:27 »

Or Iguana Pop.
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« Reply #3886 on: 02 Oct 2017, 15:31 »

That'll work


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« Reply #3887 on: 02 Oct 2017, 16:53 »

Marcie's carrying that upside down :parrot:
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3888 on: 02 Oct 2017, 23:07 »

Marcie's carrying that upside down :parrot:

Carrying boxes with the 'this way up' symbol pointing in the wrong direction seems to be some sort of tradition at IU. maybe it's symbolic of something? Or maybe it's just a cheap joke?
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« Reply #3889 on: 03 Oct 2017, 14:07 »

Hey, at least Marcie was in the same room as Sal

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« Reply #3890 on: 04 Oct 2017, 02:34 »

Hey, at least Marcie was in the same room as Sal

It's a start   :D

It is a start...

And the look drawn on Marcie's face 'did' look a little sad...
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3891 on: 04 Oct 2017, 06:12 »

Joyce, would it have been that much trouble to do a little bit of research?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3892 on: 04 Oct 2017, 06:22 »

It's kind of in-character for Joyce to just blanket assume that all 'Christian' denominations are basically the same and do exactly the same things in exactly the same way (Note: It is also culturally correct that she would consider the traditional churches to be 'not real Christians' and therefore automatically different).

Here's where the real mental trick about Joyce Brown comes in: Jacob is a nice guy whom she likes and is a self-professed Christian. To Joyce, 'nice guys' who are 'Christian' are automatically of a similar denomination to her. She's learning now not to let her fantasies about the shape of the world affect her assumptions.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3893 on: 04 Oct 2017, 09:39 »

This is where the sheltered naive thing is not on the cute side of the spectrum.
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« Reply #3894 on: 04 Oct 2017, 16:26 »

Indeed
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3895 on: 04 Oct 2017, 21:42 »

This isn't sheltered naivety, this is selfish immaturity.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3896 on: 05 Oct 2017, 03:04 »

This isn't sheltered naivety, this is selfish immaturity.

Kinda have to agree with this one.

It's almost a dangerous thing Willis is doing here.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3897 on: 05 Oct 2017, 03:10 »

Whenever you're dealing with Willis's art, you have to be aware of his background: The strong reserve of self-loathing he feels for the person he was as a teenager and college student and the enormous resentment he feels for his parents and their religion. Given that Joyce is his SI and is, in many ways, the person he was back then, you can expect Willis to occasionally throw muck at her simply because she has elements of himself in her that he now despises.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3898 on: 05 Oct 2017, 06:26 »

Whenever you're dealing with Willis's art, you have to be aware of his background: The strong reserve of self-loathing he feels for the person he was as a teenager and college student and the enormous resentment he feels for his parents and their religion. Given that Joyce is his SI and is, in many ways, the person he was back then, you can expect Willis to occasionally throw muck at her simply because she has elements of himself in her that he now despises.

I doubt there are many who *are* unaware of his background / Joyce being his previous self's alter-ego.

I would however be very surprised if anyone over the age of five would react the way Joyce is reacting (particularly the "Hey Buddy!" and frankly, screaming that she's doing).

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3899 on: 05 Oct 2017, 07:42 »

Honestly, I'm only aware of his background because of this thread. Also...not defending how she's doing it, but is sharing a cup not a valid concern? Wine isn't high enough in alcohol to kill germs, is it?
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