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[LeeC]

d'awww good for them.  I like the fact that marten is just like (good for you pops) and that dora is "LETS PARTY!"  wonder if they are going to invite the whole gang or if its just hanners and faye.

looks like the whole bible and gay thing has both stirred and shaken the hornets nest (hornets sting and dont die, so they sting more haha). regardless if killbot is a super bible thumper or a troll they wont stop.  They so far havnt shown any sign of stopping nor have they done anything ban-worthy (that I can think of) so I say ignore them like the retarded monkey in an aol chat room when aol was the next big thing back in the 90s.

if they are a troll: your feeding it and promoting thread derailment and they get off on getting you haught and heavy

if they are a zealot: build additional pylons...but seriously if you respond to it then that just gets what it wants, to quote the bible and make them self sound right, especially since they think they have everything figured out and they think they are the law on god, man, and the devil.

I wonder how hanners is going to react to two real dudes making out.

[Ghanima Atreides]

Win! <3 I simply loved the recent developments, minus the various biblethumpers who all of a sudden decided to come out of the woodwork (funny how that never happened when Tai was banging two other girls or when people were busy shipping Hannelore with every possible female character.... ). I can't wait for the celebration/wedding shenanigans!

[Carl-E]

As for this 'Killbot' character, i have a very simple message: PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHY IM AN ATHIEST

People like that are why I'm not a christian; but I refuse to be hoodwinked into atheism, either. 

A-gnostic (one without knowledge) as opposed to a-theist (one without a god).  I've seen too much to pesume that I would ever have that kind of knowledge! 

The fool assumes he knows what's going on, the wise man knows better. 

Kurt Godel said it best; even in a complete system, there will be both truths and falsehoods that cannot be proven (or disproven) from within the system. 

Shakespeare did well, too, with the "more things between heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy" line. 

[Dliessmgg]

I don't really like to invoke a Godwin, but I think most Liberals respect only other believes that are open minded because they think they'd have to accept Nazi propaganda too.

Ah, but isn't that prejudice? Believe me, as a life long conservative republican, we are not nazi's.

I know it's not entirely clear in my previous statement, I never said that. I said that many liberals don't respect narrow-mindedness.

As such, there is no way to be truly open-minded, but the left has long maintained that they are the open-minded peaceful, loving ones (which is total bullshit, as anyone whose read up on what the 60's, the big defining era for modern leftism, was actually like). Which is why I decided to go right, with the right, you always know were you stand.

If you look closely, you can see that the violent ones were only a few who were/are more well-known because of their violence. It's the same with Islam today: the Al Qaida is only a tiny part of it who is more often in the news/ in the news at all because of their use of violence. Islam is the second-biggest organized religion in the world, and of the big ones it's the only one that's growing. The others like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. are getting smaller and smaller.

I may not be as 'modern' as i though. I suport gay rights in theory, but the image of two (admitadly entirely fictional) dudes kissing each other still made me feel a little ill. I wish it were easier to reconcile my political and personal beliefs.

Nothing to worry about, you're not used to it, that's all. Now go watch some gay porn to burn down the evil thoughts!

[Border Reiver]

Now, next week will we get to see the celebratory shenanigans?  Or will all we see of it is the aftermath - disordered apartmesnt, people trying to prop themselves up using the couch wearing lampshades and little else with the drunk bubbles hanging about, and someone looking around in horror at who is in bed next to them?  Of course Pintsize will be there going - the pics and video are already on the web...

[Near Lurker]

Killbot, you were doing pretty well at first, but you lost me with the rant.  Sorry, (wo)man.  Keep pushing Poe's law!

[maddness]

YAY for Henry!

[ironi]

Aww, yay!  My favorite couple in QC is Maurice and Henry, by far.

[Schmorgluck]

Ah, well, derailed for derailed... At this moment of the week, it's no longer a big issue, is it?

Ah, but isn't that prejudice? Believe me, as a life long conservative republican, we are not nazi's.

I sincerely feel for you.
I'm not an American, just genuinely interested in American politics, and my political opinions lean more to the liberal side of your country's political spectrum (I'd even call myself a progressist), but at least I can disagree in a civil way with real conservatives. I like to think the debates between conservative and progressist tendancies is something a democratic country needs to go forward without going off-rails. Ideally, that is.
I can't speak for American liberals, only for myself, but my impression from across the pond is that it's not really conservatives most liberals have problems with (wether they aknowledge it or not), it's the reactionary fundy nutjobs who seem to have hijacked the Republican Party for quite a while. Actually, from what I read here and there, many conservatives have problems with them, too. And many conservatives voted for Barack Obama, despite their sympathy for John McCain as a person, for being appalled by several aspects of his (actually, his team's) campaigning strategy, especially the pick of Sarah Palin, a move that lost him more moderate conservative votes than it won him fundy ones.
And that's why I feel for you. This must be hard for a reasonable citizen to see their reference party go weird. I really hope the conservatives will manage to take back the GOP from the hands of the fundies (US' political system seems too stuck in bipartidism for creating a new party to be a viable option), because it would be sad, and dangerous for Democracy, if conservatives couldn't be correctly represented in the institutions.

On quite another matter, namely Killbot, I'd suggest her to have a look at the Something Positive arc starting there and finishing there, but either she's a troll and it's pointless, either she really means what she said and it's hopeless.

I may not be as 'modern' as i though. I suport gay rights in theory, but the image of two (admitadly entirely fictional) dudes kissing each other still made me feel a little ill. I wish it were easier to reconcile my political and personal beliefs.

It's no biggie to feel a bit weirded out by it, our outlooks are mostly built around convenient notions of normality that can come in the way of our attempts at being open-minded. Rule number One of the Quest for Open-Mindedness: never assume you're open-minded, always consider yourself an open mind in training. This makes you recursively open-minded, as you are open-minded enough to acknowledge the shortcomings of your open-mindedness without blaming yourself needlessly, and are able to build from that.

And finally, my take as a straight male of Henry and Maurice kissing: cute and heartwarming. Acts of tenderness are to be cherished even if they take forms you can't completely connect to.

[SigPig]

It should be interesting next week on what the aftermath of their celebration would be. 

As for Killbot here's an idea, keep your personal beliefs to yourself no one cares.

[TheReaper]

I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:

Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?

[ink slinger]

We can send them to Canada.

We'll take 'em! Well, maybe not the terrorists...

(And, yes, I know you were not serious.)

[syrupykeyboard]

I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:

Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?

It doesn't.
"She's" not using logic.

"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

Killbot: "Everything you know is wrong, black is white, up is down, and short is long, and everything you thought was so important doesn't matter; everything you know is wrong, just forget the words and sing along, all you need to understand is, everything you know is wrong!"
 

[Tormuse]

Firstly, I want to say that I'm enjoying this arc;  I haven't felt like posting in this forum for a while, but the last couple comics, between Maurice's "You were serious?" line and the reconciliation today have been both funny and touching.  Way to go, Jeph!   

Of course, I suppose I should have expected that I would be walking into the middle of a flame war...     At the risk of being perceived as joining in, I'll toss some of my thoughts in.    Particularly, I want to address one thing that Killbot said:

How many times does it have to be said? homosexuals don't WANT to get married, they don't want that much commitment and responsibility (after all, variety is the spice of life. can't count how many times gay "friends" told me THAT line)...

We live in an almost infinitely diverse world in which every person is different in every way imaginable.  There exist in this world some heterosexuals who want commitment and some who don't, and there also exist some homosexuals who want commitment and some who don't.  Killbot, I gather that in your experience, the gay people you have met fall into the category of not wanting commitment.  I would like to invite you to consider the possibility that there are other gay people out there who really do love their spouse and want that level of commitment.  It doesn't make sense to me to deny marriage to such people purely based on the fact that they are members of the same sex.  After all, if we only allow marriage based on desire for commitment, we would have to deny a lot of heterosexual marriages too, considering how high divorce rates are these days.   

I know it's not entirely clear in my previous statement, I never said that. I said that many liberals don't respect narrow-mindedness.

Too true.  I consider myself liberal, but nothing makes me feel like facepalming like liberal people who claim they're open-minded and show it by bashing people who aren't open-minded.  You're hurting your own argument, guys! 

[Killbot]

Killbot, you were doing pretty well at first, but you lost me with the rant.  Sorry, (wo)man.  Keep pushing Poe's law!

HAhahaha Poe's Law.
From Conservapedia (I know what you're thinking, and I'm only quoting from them because Wikipedia is only listing the "real" Poe's law currently, quite unusual for them to avoid such an easy potshot against people of faith): "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

From that same page: "Poe's law is often used to mock conservatives and fundamentalists, based on its implicit assertion that fundamentalists and conservatives are so absurd as to be indistinguishable from parody. However, there is a fundamental flaw in this assertion. One might as well argue that genuine works of art are indistinguishable from cheap knockoffs, because some people are unable to distinguish between the two. Clearly, the cause of the mistake is not that the genuine article is no better than a mockery; rather, the cause of the mistake is that some people lack the critical thinking skills and/or experience to differentiate the two -- particularly in cases when an artist (or a parodist) goes to special efforts to emulate the genuine article."

I really think that says it all, wouldn't you agree?

I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:

Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?

It doesn't.
"She's" not using logic.

"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

Killbot: "Everything you know is wrong, black is white, up is down, and short is long, and everything you thought was so important doesn't matter; everything you know is wrong, just forget the words and sing along, all you need to understand is, everything you know is wrong!"
 

Quoting Weird Al REALLY helps your case.

I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:

Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?

they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.

Win! <3 I simply loved the recent developments, minus the various biblethumpers who all of a sudden decided to come out of the woodwork (funny how that never happened when Tai was banging two other girls or when people were busy shipping Hannelore with every possible female character.... ). I can't wait for the celebration/wedding shenanigans!

haven't been reading that long. For the record, I find lesbians to be as reprehensible as gays (perhaps even more so, from personal experience *shudder*)

[syrupykeyboard]

Killbot, you were doing pretty well at first, but you lost me with the rant.  Sorry, (wo)man.  Keep pushing Poe's law!

HAhahaha Poe's Law.
From Conservapedia (I know what you're thinking, and I'm only quoting from them because Wikipedia is only listing the "real" Poe's law currently, quite unusual for them to avoid such an easy potshot against people of faith): "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

From that same page: "Poe's law is often used to mock conservatives and fundamentalists, based on its implicit assertion that fundamentalists and conservatives are so absurd as to be indistinguishable from parody. However, there is a fundamental flaw in this assertion. One might as well argue that genuine works of art are indistinguishable from cheap knockoffs, because some people are unable to distinguish between the two. Clearly, the cause of the mistake is not that the genuine article is no better than a mockery; rather, the cause of the mistake is that some people lack the critical thinking skills and/or experience to differentiate the two -- particularly in cases when an artist (or a parodist) goes to special efforts to emulate the genuine article."

I really think that says it all, wouldn't you agree?

I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:

Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?

It doesn't.
"She's" not using logic.

"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

Killbot: "Everything you know is wrong, black is white, up is down, and short is long, and everything you thought was so important doesn't matter; everything you know is wrong, just forget the words and sing along, all you need to understand is, everything you know is wrong!"
 

Quoting Weird Al REALLY helps your case.

I'm not going to quote what's-his-name, as I really don't want to, but one thing really stuck out:

Gay folk (according to kill-whatever) aren't committed enough to stay with one person for any length of time, but they're committed enough to collectively attempt to destroy marriage?
How does that even work?

they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.

Win! <3 I simply loved the recent developments, minus the various biblethumpers who all of a sudden decided to come out of the woodwork (funny how that never happened when Tai was banging two other girls or when people were busy shipping Hannelore with every possible female character.... ). I can't wait for the celebration/wedding shenanigans!

haven't been reading that long. For the record, I find lesbians to be as reprehensible as gays (perhaps even more so, from personal experience *shudder*)

Wait, I have a case?

[pwhodges]

they'll only commit to something if it's fun. that and they're directed by people with FAR more patience and capability for strategic thought.

Look, can you give us any idea where you are getting these wild and arbitrary generalisations from (I mean decent citations; not, say, the bible, which doesn't happen to contain that one anyway)?  Also why your wild generalisations should be considered any more valid than other people's wild generalisations about, say, fundies?

And why are you even here?  Are you truly hoping to convert some of your readers to your kind of blindness and hate, or are you just trying to convince yourself?

[WittyUsername]

I came in here looking to share how adorable I felt the entire Henry and Maurice thing was.

Now, honestly, I'm just kind of disgusted. Why, Killbot? Do you honestly think God wants you to hate? Because if you do, the God you know and the God I know are very different Gods indeed.

[Malsies]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that Killbot is a troll, despite her fervent protests to the contrary and attempts to insult the suspicious.  As much as it pains me to recognize that there really are people that ignorant/close-minded in the world, I know that people who truly believe in Killbot's professed views are out there.  However, I find it highly unlikely that someone who confines herself to a mental box like that would be reading a web comic like QC in the first place, or, for that matter, any comic that might link to here.

If she is serious, then I am really sorry that the Radical Underground Gay Coalition didn't get around to brainwashing her while she was still young and vulnerable.  That's what they're all about, you know.

At any rate, I've been enjoying this arc.  I think Maurice and Henry are adorable.  I can't wait to see how the wedding goes.

[Killbot]

Maurice's last name is Lester. Believe it.

[LeeC]

Believe it.

with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges.  Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time. 

[Random832]

Believe it.

with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges.  Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time.  

Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.

Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?

[syrupykeyboard]

Maurice's last name is Lester. Believe it.

Hahaha.
Mo is short for Maurice, right?
Mo Lester.
Molester!
Hahaha.
You made a joke.
SO funny.
By the way, who is that evil looking woman in your avatar?

[Delirium]

Maurice's last name is Lester. Believe it.

Hahaha.
Mo is short for Maurice, right?
Mo Lester.
Molester!
Hahaha.
You made a joke.
SO funny.
By the way, who is that evil looking woman in your avatar?

Sikozu from Farscape. Funny she'd have such good taste in TV. except Naruto. ewww.

[LeeC]

Believe it.

with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges.  Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time.  

Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.

Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?

freedom of speech is one thing, but this is an entirely different matter  .  besides I thought I voiced my opinion on how s/he was ignorant already.

[Killbot]

Believe it.

with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges.  Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time.  

Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.

Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?

Homophobic? I'm not the one claiming to speak for the gays!

[JD]

Killbot I dare you to make a thread here since you are derailing this thread to such an extreme degree.

[Mr_Rose]

Believe it.

with the use of this phrase you have officially lost all credibility and speaking privileges.  Sorry naruto fans but saying this doesnt make you cool. better luck next time.  

Being a fundamentalist homophobic jerk didn't do this, but quoting Naruto did.

Can I frame this and make it a motivational poster with the tagline "Priorities"?

Homophobic? I'm not the one claiming to speak for the gays!

You ah, you do know what homophobic means in this context, right? Because the way you use the word would indicate otherwise.
Did your "incident" involve blunt-force trauma to the skull? I understand that that can cause this sort of associative memory disorder.

[syrupykeyboard]

To Killbot:
How are we supposed to take you seriously about your positions on these subjects when you can't decide on an avatar?
You change it, like, every 20 minutes!
God damn, woman, make up your mind!
Also, some info I found on wikipedia about the "woman" in your avatar:

Sikozu Svala Shanti Sugaysi Shanu
   She is extremely intelligent and picks up information very quickly. She is extremely arrogant, a self-styled polymath who constantly belittles those around her. It should be noted, however, that while her knowledge about technology, species, history, and the galaxy in general is vast, it is mostly academic. She is, in fact, extremely naive and unknowledgeable about how things function outside of a controlled environment.
   Shifting allegiance is a specialty of Sikozu, often switching sides in a battle with no notice and seemingly no premeditation other than at-the-moment judgments on who currently holds the greatest advantage. This has the net effect of total uncertainty as to where Sikozu's loyalties (if any) truly lie. Ironically, she is often the most surprised when her repeated betrayals of everyone around her are either turned around on or simply turned on her.

*In the voice of Robert Muldoon* Clever troll...

[Rikushix]

Couldn't help but respond. I know, I have no willpower.

I can assure you that being gay is totally and completely not a choice. Absolutely, 100% not a choice, that no amount of reforming or counseling will change. This coming from a straight man.

Of course, what do us Canadians know, with our heathen notions of self-respect and tolerance...some people, eh?

[maddness]

Seriously, people, you've all known s/he was a troll from the first, don't lie to yourselves, and you just keep feeding the troll. I know it's hard not to say something sometimes. I can't even count how many times I've had to tell myself not to respond to this garbage. I really want to, but to what end? Can't we just let it go now?

[LeeC]

Couldn't help but respond. I know, I have no willpower.

I can assure you that being gay is totally and completely not a choice. Absolutely, 100% not a choice, that no amount of reforming or counseling will change. This coming from a straight man.

Of course, what do us Canadians know, with our heathen notions of self-respect and tolerance...some people, eh?

makes me think of that south park episode with church camp for the gay and bi...

[Manix]

I feel that many of my fellow christians forget that there has been a great change in God following Christ death, as anyone who reads both the Old Testament (prior to Christ birth) and the New Testament (his birth to his death) will notice. Prior to this God was a very warlike individual, often coming down angrily on certain individuals. I remember Christ saying on the cross "forgive them father, they know not what they do." Perhaps God has never truly understood us? Just as we have never truly understood him?

Killbot, I understand what you're trying to say, but people will resent you if you come at them in such a way. And people will not seriously listen to someone they resent.

[BillyxRansom]

And finally, my take as a straight male of Henry and Maurice kissing: cute and heartwarming. Acts of tenderness are to be cherished even if they take forms you can't completely connect to.

This, and only this.

[LTK]

Seriously, people, you've all known s/he was a troll from the first, don't lie to yourselves, and you just keep feeding the troll. I know it's hard not to say something sometimes. I can't even count how many times I've had to tell myself not to respond to this garbage. I really want to, but to what end? Can't we just let it go now?

I've been wondering the same thing all the time this has been going on. Just smile and nod, people, smile and nod...

[Rikushix]

It's completely derailed by now but oh my god, you guys just have to watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk

[the_shankmaster]

Awwww that kiss was beautiful.

[LeeC]

Seriously, people, you've all known s/he was a troll from the first, don't lie to yourselves, and you just keep feeding the troll. I know it's hard not to say something sometimes. I can't even count how many times I've had to tell myself not to respond to this garbage. I really want to, but to what end? Can't we just let it go now?

I've been wondering the same thing all the time this has been going on. Just smile and nod, people, smile and nod...

I think its evident that people are using this as a vehicle to release their views on the subject.  kinda like venting on a pillow with your fists (or a gun)

[Fenriswolf]

As to that, one topic my wife and I've been talking about lately is on gender identity, specifically concerning transgendering.  My increasing belief is that it's all needless ... that people associate certain behaviors - wearing dresses or makeup, sleeping with women, playing football, particular mannerisms - so strongly with one sex or the other, it's thought easier to undergo lengthy, expensive, painful and imprecise hormonal therapies and plastic surgeries than to keep one's body as it is and just openly adopt the desired mannerisms and personality traits.

Wouldn't it be terrific if it were all okay?  For guys to wear dresses, say, rather than have their bodies changed so they could get away with practicing the "feminine" traits they wished without shame or jeering?

I appreciate where you're coming from, but can you appreciate how incredibly belittling it is to trans people to be told they just wanted to act like the societal construct of the opposite gender, rather than fully and completely feeling alien in their own body?

I can tell you, with my own milder feeling of dysphoria, I entirely believe it is different. I would fit in the above definition. Maybe. I hate being a woman to the point of revulsion with having ovaries and breasts sometimes. It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl". I am extremely strong and fast. If I was XY I would be a shit ton stronger and faster. If I fight men (kickboxing) I am highly likely to lose, no matter how many women I beat. I. Hate. It.

So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.

[/rant]

[LeeC]

It's completely derailed by now but oh my god, you guys just have to watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk

awesome.

[syrupykeyboard]

As to that, one topic my wife and I've been talking about lately is on gender identity, specifically concerning transgendering.  My increasing belief is that it's all needless ... that people associate certain behaviors - wearing dresses or makeup, sleeping with women, playing football, particular mannerisms - so strongly with one sex or the other, it's thought easier to undergo lengthy, expensive, painful and imprecise hormonal therapies and plastic surgeries than to keep one's body as it is and just openly adopt the desired mannerisms and personality traits.

Wouldn't it be terrific if it were all okay?  For guys to wear dresses, say, rather than have their bodies changed so they could get away with practicing the "feminine" traits they wished without shame or jeering?

I appreciate where you're coming from, but can you appreciate how incredibly belittling it is to trans people to be told they just wanted to act like the societal construct of the opposite gender, rather than fully and completely feeling alien in their own body?

I can tell you, with my own milder feeling of dysphoria, I entirely believe it is different. I would fit in the above definition. Maybe. I hate being a woman to the point of revulsion with having ovaries and breasts sometimes. It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl". I am extremely strong and fast. If I was XY I would be a shit ton stronger and faster. If I fight men (kickboxing) I am highly likely to lose, no matter how many women I beat. I. Hate. It.

So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.

[/rant]

Bravo.
I'm... more upset about my situation.
Waking up every morning to the reality that you're a 19 year old girl stuck in a dude's body (simplified version of the experience) is a very... depressing, demoralizing, seemingly hopeless situation. Feeling so wrong in your skin. Being trapped.
I've never seriously considered suicide, but I completely understand how others in my situation or something similar could feel like it's the only way out.
And it DOES always... Well, I don't usually get angry about someone not understanding, but, indeed, someone thinking that it's a matter of playing dress-up, or confusing sexual orientation with gender identity definitely bums me out and reinforces the obviously false but overwhelmingly convincing idea that no one else knows what I'm going through.

Tl;dr Gregory House is Transgendered.

Edit: Also, I am done responding to trolls. In this thread. I'll try to restrain myself in others.

[jonarus_drakus]

^ agreed.

If a 'traditionalist' war veteran like this can come to terms with it why cant people like Killbot? Its people like this, who use "religion" as an excuse to deny equality that caused me to turn away from religion all together. I want nothing to do with that sort of thing. Now, i had a conservative/religious upbringing, so i do indeed have 'traditionalist' views to wards gay people, but THEY ARE STILL PEOPLE! They deserve the same rights as straight people for no other reason than the fact that they are no less human than the rest of us.

So, Killbot, while your welcome to believe that being gay is 'wrong' or whatever, that your opinion and thats fine. But if you seriously sugesting that being gay makes them 'less human', and not deserving of the same rights as the rest of us, then you are going to far, and religion becomes an excuse for evil, and you become just like the terrorists.

[Fenriswolf]

Bravo.
I'm... more upset about my situation.
Waking up every morning to the reality that you're a 19 year old girl stuck in a dude's body (simplified version of the experience) is a very... depressing, demoralizing, seemingly hopeless situation. Feeling so weird in your skin. Being trapped.
I've never seriously considered suicide, but I completely understand how others in my situation or something similar could feel like it's the only way out.
And it DOES always... Well, I don't usually get angry about someone not understanding, but, indeed, someone thinking that it's a matter of playing dress-up, or confusing sexual orientation with gender identity definitely bums me out and reinforces the obviously false but overwhelmingly convincing idea that no one else knows what I'm going through.

Tl;dr Gregory House is Transgendered.

Edit: Also, I am done responding to trolls. In this thread. I'll try to restrain myself in others.

Thanks for sharing.

For feeling suicidal myself, it's more of a mix of whatever-the-hell-you-call-my-gender-issues with long term depression I was avoiding medicating. I am getting better at coping. But I know I'm not a man: and you know you are a woman. That's all people really need to understand.

Funnily enough with the confusing sexual orientation, I really feel I would be happiest as a bi (but mostly into dudes, as per how I am now) man. I generally don't say that because I sound like a cock but whether or not I'm horribly naive, I just know that is what in my brain feels so much more natural. The idea you're just a gay man in denial... or whatever people think (presuming you're into guys, I don't know) is just ridiculous.

I feel like an arsehole to say it but I'm glad I'm not truly trans. Because it horrifies me to see the complete lack of acceptance compared to every other group who faces discrimination. It does my head in and I don't know how I'd cope if it was directed at me. You don't want to care, but you do want to live your life without your gender being the centre of it and people are so ignorant. 

Anyway, good luck. I hope you have people in your life who are supportive.

[Jace]

Dogg, I am serious. I don't need to read the bible to know I am doing God's work.

[ChristKnows]

Have to say as accepting of gays I am, I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I agree that homosexuals deserve all the rights of married heterosexuals but in the end the church are the ones offering the service of marriage and if they don't want to offer that service to a particular group of people then that sucks but it's their right, especially given that there are alternatives (civil partnerships) that offer all rights of marriage.

Anyone who disagrees with gay relationships on a fundamental level in today's society is probably below the age of 15 or has opinions of how a homosexual relationship works based on false ideas or sweeping generalisations. Or is using the hatred of gays as a way to preach the type of christianity that only focusses on punishing people the preachers deem unworthy of god's love.

As for the comic this is an arc that really made me happy. I love seeing cute couples together and I would love some more discussion about two people who are clearly happy together and in love with each other rather than discussion about how they're both going to hell.

[thaX]

Ok... skimming through the thread... a couple of things...

Awwww... (concerning the comic and the characters) A proposal. Wonder if we will ever see Marty propose to (insert character name here)

now...

First and foremost, One is not born with inherent wants concerning their sexuality, or to be wild, or to crave chocolate. One is born to suck tit and poop.

The influx of the "gay community" is the result of the modern lifestyle where one can eat, sleep and live without having to hunt, find shelter and survive the elements. Part of the decline of human civilization is the growing ease at which we travel, going further apart from our families and having more leisure time than what we had before the invention of modern conveniences.

second, there needs to be an alternative to marriage that does not involve the church for legal purposes. Gay marriage isn't federally possible because of the separation between church and state, but the legal lifetime partnership of dedicated couples needs to be recognized. This is something that seems to make one "side" or the other mad, since an alternative is not "Marriage" or that it is simply "Marriage" without ceremony. I maintain that the "Gay community" needs to realize that gay marriage is not the goal, equal representation for the couples living together in the same manner is.

third,You are born as you are. If you have problems with being the gender you are, there is something more going on than being "stuck." Part of the modern problem is that Physiology has leaned toward a crisis mode, where there is ongoing problems continuing with patients rather than simply healing the poor sucker. It's like a bad movie, where one goes "your a monkey." "No, I'm not" "You are..." and poof, there is a monkey.

and lastly... Lady, I know you have issues with the downturn of society, but your generalization of your first post, that a gay man would not hug his son, was insulting not just to the gay community, but to every parent ever to have a kid. You should be ashamed.

[jonarus_drakus]

^ A good point has been raised here. Just because 'Gay Marriarge' (I dont like terming it like that, the actually 'union of two people' part doesnt change, so marriage is marriage reguardless of who is marrying who) may be legal, doesnt mean that individual institutions (churches) that offer marriage services cant deny that service to gay couples based on internal principles.

Of course, there are alternatives to 'church wedings', and the fact that the union is made official by a Judge or some similarly state-empowered individual doesn't make it any less of a marriage (not to my mind anyway).

The point being that while 'gays' should by all means have the same right to marry as 'straights', that DOSNT counter the right of service providers to pick and chose who they offer thier service too, even if they exclude some people for entirly inapropriate, prejudiced, reasons. I mean really, would you think it was appropriate if your government were tell you that you were legaly obliged to violate your own beliefs? I didn't think so...

[hanalways]

First off:
The comic made my day and definitely made me smile

Second:
Has anyone noticed the subtle shift from "...by the powers invested in me by God..." to "...by the powers invested in me by the state of _________..."? I noticed it last summer when my brother and I got married in a little family wedding by the lake. The ordained minister spoke of the state, not of God or any Christian churches. Yet it was the same legal, powerful words that bound a male and a female together in marriage. If it was true that it was completely up to the church to marry two people, then why that shift of wording?

:/

[Is it cold in here?]

If they're going to have a party they should for sure invite Raven.

[the_shankmaster]

I think that in a church wedding you are married in the eyes of God (by the power He gives the priest) and also in view of the state (via a license that the state issues churches to marry people).  I'm not completely sure, so if anyone can correct me please do.  But if this is the case, that is why they mention the state.  When my Aunt got married in the church, the priest mentioned both sources of power.


Wait, you married your brother?  Or it was a double-wedding?