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[bicostp]

Poor girl has absolutely no idea what she has to work with. (Or is in denial, or immediately shoots everything down because "that's hideous and stupid" like the camera incident.)

[akronnick]

I got a harpoon I'd like to put in Marigold's butt durr hurr hurr



(I promise I'm actually a woman  )

You know, they have certain, how shall we say, attachments that women can use for that purpose.  

[westrim]

You know, they have certain, how shall we say, attachments that women can use for that purpose.  

MOMMY, IS HE TALKING ABOUT A STRAPON?

Well dear, it might just be a double ended dildo. And do try to be quieter.

Oh, sorry.

[akronnick]

Is strap on one word or two?


This is important question!!!!!

[westrim]

Is strap on one word or two?
This is important question!!!!!

One, says the Firefox dictionary and Google, though it is usually hyphenated. Also, the page image on Wikipedia is pretty tricked out and they have a whole list of them complete with images. I learn something new every day.

[slydon]

it's amazing how some people clean up really well. Mar looks like one of those people.

[bicostp]

Is strap on one word or two?
This is important question!!!!!

It's "Straphyphenon" when you're talking about the tool company.

[akronnick]

I believe that's Snap-on Tools.


Strap-on Tools has a completely different product line! 

[Is it cold in here?]

I bet she has bright eyes when she gets excited about something. That and a smile goes a long way. She may feel doomed by her nose, though.

[westrim]

I believe that's Snap-on Tools.


Strap-on Tools has a completely different product line! 

Apparently, music and concerts. There's a band by that name, according to Google.

[ecstaticjoy]

Dang Marigold, low self-esteem.

I love the hair texture in this strip, did it get even better? I just noticed.

[CEOIII]

  Sure, Marigold.  You're not the prettiest girl in the world, but at least you have big tits.

  /shot

And that would be the easy solution to all her problems. You want people to notice you, Mari? You want guys fawning all over you? Two words.

Tank.
Tops.

[JackFaerie]

Yeahhhhhh, if you feel your appearance isn't mainstream-pretty, you've got two options:

1) Don't care about the opinions of others, and OWN the way you look (ie, "yeah, so I have a unibrow, but I like it and I'm against the idea I have to pluck it to be attractive, fuck y'all haters)

or 2) if you WANT to be more mainstream-attractive, DO something about it.

You only get to whine and wallow in self-pity if you've given option 2 a reasonable shot and it still hasn't worked. (Mind you, people who go for option 1 may still experience anger and some insecurity due to the fact that they're expected to look a certain way, but that's different from "woe is me, nothing can help my miserable state!" self pity.)

Marigold both wants to be more mainstream-girl pretty and yet is unwilling to put any effort into presenting herself attractively. She also seems to believe that "pretty girls" are all just somehow naturally pretty, although it takes effort for just about everyone.

I'm "pretty" now, and it takes a lot more of my time than my routine in hs, when I was the nerdy bespectacled girl with bad skin and oily hair. (Daily showers, hair products, learning to dress well and paying attention to what I wear, consistent morning and evening skincare routine, constant tweezing/shaving/plucking and pricey good-for-your-skin makeup--along with some help from mother nature and passing out of my teens.) The difference being, when people told me in HS "you'd be so pretty if you took care of yourself more!" I just shrugged, because I knew it was my choice not to shower daily or do the whole circus of hair and makeup care and to dress kinda blah. "Being pretty" wasn't worth it to me at the time, and I was fine with that.

[Sorflakne]

Marigold, Kevlar isn't very good at stopping harpoons because they're too slow. They'd probably go through it like thick cloth.

This is truth.  Though if you're right next to the guy wearing a Kevlar vest, stab him in the neck.  He'll die faster.

[Odal]

Awww, I wanna give Marigold a hug.  She's not ugly at all!
(And no, I don't want to hug her for the boob smoosh... you pervert.)

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Daaaaaang Marbear yo titties may be big but yo self-loathing bigger, girl~

I mean I get where she's coming from, but do recall, Mari, you had Tai, a "pretty person", totally wanting to bone you. You HASS the proverbial junk, you just gotta work it. Dora is right.

I got a harpoon I'd like to put in Marigold's butt durr hurr hurr

P.S.: This is the best comment

The best

[Akima]

Marigold both wants to be more mainstream-girl pretty and yet is unwilling to put any effort into presenting herself attractively. She also seems to believe that "pretty girls" are all just somehow naturally pretty, although it takes effort for just about everyone.

It's pretty routine for people to claim that "good stuff" comes without effort to those who have it. Dora's attitude to her brother's grades and career is another example. I'm with JackFaerie on this. Fish or cut bait, Marigold! At least you're in with a chance of being mainstream pretty. Some of us have to make do with exotic... 

[St.Clair]

Makeover Makeover... Makeover!

[Kazukagii]

Dora: All you need is a makeover!

Me: Oh god, please not one of those "make over" episodes where we find out she was beautiful all along.

Insert Marigold's panel 3 rant here.

This is why I love Marigold. 

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

That was always the most bullshit part of that whole bullshit rodeo, was the glasses-taking-away. THE GLASSES ARE PART OF THE APPEAL, FUCKASS!

[snubnose]

I got a harpoon I'd like to put in Marigold's butt durr hurr hurr

I would rather want a Lasso for Hanners.

Albeit it wouldl probably be the last thing I would ever do.

Still totally worth dying for.

(I promise I'm actually a woman  )

And that is important why ?

[snubnose]

Awww, I wanna give Marigold a hug.  She's not ugly at all!

How could you possibly know that ? She's an imaginary character and we only know her looks through Jephs ever changing art.

Even if Jeph is great at making up imaginary people who are totally believable.

[Tova]

Low self-esteem: the weaker points are more horrible and self-defining than they really are, and the strong points "don't count".

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

  ...

I would think that Jeph's depiction of Marigold would be a pretty good barometer for how physically attractive she is?

Dude that. How does that make sense, what you just said?

[Deadlywonky]

Tova means when you have low self esteem, all you see are your bad points

[Mr. Doctor]

I was fine with the previous comic strip but now Mari got annoying. Seriously... that whining reached a level of being pathetic... and stubborn to not hear about what others have to suggest.

Where's Sven and his paper against self-pity when we need him?!

[SJCrew]

Same old Marigold, nothing new here. But Dora is right about the skirt. All she really needs to do is flaunt those awesome curves of hers to get some attention from the opposite sex.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Tova means when you have low self esteem, all you see are your bad points

...No no no. Uh. I got Tova's point just fine, and I didn't really read his/her post initially cause it showed up as a redtext whilst I was trying to get my reply through to snubnose, above Tova, because what snubnose said just defies logic and sense.

Tova, you and I are cool, right? I was trying not to quote unnecessarily and all WHOOPS OH SHIT.

snubnose, in case I was not clear, what you said= wat

Also please refrain from bearhat commentary about Hanners gdi :/

[Odal]

Awww, I wanna give Marigold a hug.  She's not ugly at all!

How could you possibly know that ? She's an imaginary character and we only know her looks through Jephs ever changing art.

Wha...?!  She's imaginary?!  NO!  I refuse to believe it!  I shan't, I can't, and I won't.

[Deadlywonky]

I'm sorry for clarifying the wrong post,

snubnose seems to be misunderstood sometimes, if my understanding is correct, he is german. Some of my colleagues are german and when they write emails in a hurry i need to call them to get the real meaning, one lady in particular writes in a german grammatical style but using english words, it can be very confusing sometimes.

as to the bearhat comments, not cool snubnose, not cool at all.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

That is the spirit Odal

Marigold truly lives
in your heart


Marigold: Actually be a fakey-fake friend. Not real. You know, like fairies are.

STOP BEING SUCH A KILLJOY, YOU LOUSY STUPID NARRATIVE VOICE

[pwhodges]

as to the bearhat comments, not cool snubnose, not cool at all.

To be fair, he didn't start them.

P.S.: This is the best comment
The best

Actually, no it isn't.

Guys, don't go down that road again, please.

[Border Reiver]

I'm with Carl - that whole self-esteem issue is kinds crippling to coming across as pretty.

Jeph's experimenting with his art again - the hair texture is looking very good, my only criticism is that he needs to up the texture for the rest of the strip.

Oh and Akima - your picture looks lovely (the drawing is an acurate representation, isn't it?)

[Loki]

That was always the most bullshit part of that whole bullshit rodeo, was the glasses-taking-away. THE GLASSES ARE PART OF THE APPEAL, FUCKASS!

You know, I think she would look better with another shape of glasses, more akin to Tai's.

Also, did anyone else get the "I wish I was prettier"-vibe from Hanners in the last panel?

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

as to the bearhat comments, not cool snubnose, not cool at all.

To be fair, he didn't start them.

P.S.: This is the best comment
The best

Actually, no it isn't.

Guys, don't go down that road again, please.

Well erm to be fair Dug's comment was actually a callback to the comic and was meant tongue-in-cheek pretty clearly.

Like I would use that as an example of funny comment as opposed to actual creepy bearhatting. ._.

ANYWAY wonky, I don't think I'm misunderstanding? From what I gathered, what he said was that we can't know if Marigold is ugly or not just based on Jeph's art. Which...yeah!

[Y]

Anyone read the specials? Cayenne mocha, tequila latte and cactus up your ass. Do they actually have a permit to serve alcohol? (emergency brandy aside)

[akronnick]

Maybe just tequila flavored.

[Carl-E]

Naah, it just has a worm in it. 


So, it took a little searching, but Marigold is definitely able to pull off pretty.  She needs to relax about it though, and that's not easy for her. 

[jwhouk]

Thanks, Carl-E. I was just thinking that. Although I think it was a few strips earlier in the arc that was more or less proof.

[snubnose]

I would think that Jeph's depiction of Marigold would be a pretty good barometer for how physically attractive she is?

I cant agree. Jeph has done the same characters in extremely different ways. So all we really have for evidence is how people react to certain people on the comic.

Thats why we know Sven must be very handsome and Steve must be quite handsome; both have an easy time to get women. Sven practically has to beat off women with a stick.

We also know that Raven must have been very hot. She has a full book of potential one night stands.

Faye, Dora, Hanners, Cosette, Marigold: we only have vague ideas about them.

Marigold specifically, all we really know is that she has an "amazing rack" and some moles in her face.

[Carl-E]

Thanks, Carl-E. I was just thinking that. Although I think it was a few strips earlier in the arc that was more or less proof.

True, but you have to go further into that arc to find her smiling and relaxed.  I think that's a big part of it - she stops being so self conscious!

[bicostp]

We also know that Raven must have been very hot. She has a full book of potential one night stands.

However we know she had to put effort into getting (back?) to that point. According to Dora, when she was in college she was heavier and got no attention thanks to a lot of "french fries and sulking", so she made the conscious decision to get back into shape and take better care of herself, then she started getting attention again. (Archive experts help me out please; I think it was said in or around Marten and Dora's first date, probably in the early-mid 600s?)

A reason to take her off the bus for a while, perhaps?

[CaptainFish]

I wonder if some of this is an art issue.

Here marigold looks perfectly fine in tight fitting clothing, so I assume that she's not overweight. She doesn't even look flabby.

We only assume she looks that way from her lifestyle and her opinions. From a straight depiction the only issue I see is a few pimples and blackheads, and that doesn't actually stop anyone from being pretty.

We're left with the sense that Mare-Bear has an extremely poor opinion of herself for literally no reason, when there is probably a little truth to her self-doubt. I'm not saying her self-image issues aren't irrational, but perhaps they aren't completely unwarranted

[Odin]

Yeah, today's comic sounds very familiar, I will say everyone arguing over whether Marigold is ugly or not is full of shit because it doesn't matter. In this case, God (Jeph) has dictated that Marigold believes herself to be ugly (her friends don't make very convincing arguments to the contrary and give up far too quickly), so she is ugly.

Case closed, really.

[Carl-E]

Hmmmm... I suppose there's some credence to the "you are what you perceive yourself to be" theory, but really there's nothing about her that's objectively "ugly" (whatever that means - I think I'm talking about horrific scarring or disturbingly disproportionate features).  So yeah, she's ugly because she thinks she is, and projects herself that way. 

Which can change - not instantly, but at the core there's nothing preventing her from changing it. 

What we've got here is a serious battle between "perception is reality" vs. "appearances can be deceiving", and they're both fighting dirty. 

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

@snubnose: ...So if I grasp what you're saying, we cannot have a concrete idea of what any character in this comic looks like at any given time based on Jeph's art. That what we see every day is like...dream afterimages or something? Pardon my French, but that's just fucking dumb. That ranks among the dumbest shit I have ever heard. I really doubt Jeph means for the characters to be perceived as appearing other than how they're drawn.

@CaptainFish: Or she's been consistently bullied most of her life and has a metric fuckton of body image issues, which seems more likely to me.

@Odin: Well yeah, from the perspective that matters, her own, she's an ogre, but also see Carl's argument, cause he worded it better. I'm too busy tripping over all this goddamn "you cannot perceive what the characters in a visual medium actually look like" horseshit.

@Carl: my thoughts exactly. Hat doff.

[Odin]

@Odin: Well yeah, from the perspective that matters, her own, she's an ogre, but also see Carl's argument, cause he worded it better. I'm too busy tripping over all this goddamn "you cannot perceive what the characters in a visual medium actually look like" horseshit.

This isn't a question of perception, since Marigold doesn't have any actual free will here (she is going to do exactly what Jeph makes her do), though.

In this instance, Jeph is dictating that Marigold is actually ugly. Look again at how quickly Dora and Hannelore dropped their arguments (shitty as they were to start with).

[westrim]

My, it sure is getting nasty in here.  T-rex, get em! 

[CaptainFish]

When it comes to pretty ladies in comics, I'm just reminded of the excellent guest strip Rene Engström did for scarygoround.

[Border Reiver]

What we've got here is a serious battle between "perception is reality" vs. "appearances can be deceiving", and they're both fighting dirty. 

And we're all waiting for the mud wrestling to begin.  Or did you mean something else by "fighting dirty?"

all of this is truth:  a.  nothing is preventing Mar from seeing herself as pretty if she chooses to present herself that way; and
b.  except the author of the comic - who may be going for the lulz at the moment, setting up some character development