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Wil and Penelope.
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Dora and Tai bring along Raven (as a chaperone).
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Sven crashes the party.
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Gabby's older brother... DALE.
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Race is not an issue in QC.  I would like it also to be not an issue here, which is probably best achieved by simply not mentioning it unless it is actually relevant (e.g. Padma and Emily have names - there is in general no need to refer to them by their race, ethnicity or whatever instead).
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Oh for fucks sake.

I give up.  I guess I'm going to have to self-ban from posting on here for a week.  Maybe even a month.  Shouldn't even both posting here anymore if people are just going to take the extremes of anything I post and paint me out to be some closet racist hater who hates every nationality known to man and is purposefully trying to instigate shit.

You win.  I'm a cracker who hates people.

I'm done here for awhile.
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This is hilarious... and I'm not laughing at Madmartigan. ;D
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So...



...they have a grill on their deck!  How about that!
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Geez o_o Glad I missed that mess.

Anyway, I somehow find p3 Clinton super adorable. Mostly because of his pose x3
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So... I had one of those swimsuit when I was a little kid. Now I don't!

That is all!
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Proposed peace settlement:

We all agree that Emily is cute. She is a cute Asian just as she is a cute CS major, a cute banana smoothie consumer, and a cute Luna Lovegood.

I don't understand the appeal of the male equivalent of cameltoe. If you want people checking out your junk, just skip the swimsuit altogether and you'll have one less piece of clothing to dry out and keep track of.

Jeph being Jeph, if Marten winds up Meeting Someone I'll bet it will be a new character.
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I tentatively agree to your terms and will submit them before my country's legislature (my fancy hat and mustache) for formal approval.

I can see where you're coming from on the last point, that if it does happen it would probably be someone new.  But what's interesting to me is that there's still a fair amount of focus on his romantic future and speculation about his prospects when nothing immediate and obvious is going on in his love life.  Note, not frustrating, just interesting.  At least as far as I remember he hasn't really flirted with anyone in an obvious way since Padma.

Other than falling flat on his face with Lt. Potter.
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Jeph being Jeph, if Marten winds up Meeting Someone I'll bet it will be a new character.
You don't consider the interns to be new characters?
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Judging from previous depictions of Faye's scar, I'm pretty sure those are just dots, and not lines across - it simply looks like lines due to the size of the image.
I zoomed in for research purposes, and they appear to be lines across in that strip. Offhand I can't think of any archive strips with as good a view (of the scar, obviously). As far as dots vs lines go, I would expect to see dots. The scar on my mum's wrist (she missed a door handle and put her arm through the door window while drunk in her 20's) still has visible dots decades later.

I did the same, and deduced they were dots. Hm...
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waitwaitwait.

You know the expression "when you're used to using a  hammer, everything starts to look like a nail"?

Emily has discovered the use of a hammer to make banana smoothies.

Clinton is wearing what is otherwise known as a "banana hammock". 

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Okay, that setup sounded funnier in my head. 

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Especially since Emily wasn't the one that came up with using a hammer to make a banana smoothie...
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Yeah, that's pretty awful. :P
Not enough to justify using my "even more horrible pun foul" .gif though.

I dunno, I think Claire's overreacting a bit. It's not like seeing Clinton without a shirt on is horrific. If Faye calling Angus "Captain Backhair" is anything to go by, we're in for a lot more Fan Disservice on that front than anyone else. (TV Tropes link omitted)

Also, Jeph being Jeph, we're never going to actually see Marigold's swimsuit above water. :P
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Yeah, now that he's built it up, he probably won't feel he can do it justice. 


Damn. 
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Prediction altered. Marten drowns, Faye takes her top off, then the camouflaged VTOL drops a MOAB on the lake.

Place bets.
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Hi, new to the forums, and I figured I'd start with this:

Comic 2299: Is it just me, or does Clinton's robot hand seem to be missing?
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Welcome, new person!

We were just trying to figure that out earlier. One possibility is that Clinton took it off to avoid immersing it.

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Jeph being Jeph, if Marten winds up Meeting Someone I'll bet it will be a new character.
You don't consider the interns to be new characters?

"Every car on the road is a used car". The interns are now known characters, even if they still have that new car smell.
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Welcome, new person!

We were just trying to figure that out earlier. One possibility is that Clinton took it off to avoid immersing it.



His hand is there, it's just tucked rather than resting on top of the arm. I draw a lot of my characters with arms crossed this way, though admittedly one hand is usually on top.
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Robot hand is there now. There's a little bit of not-flesh-colored something continuing from his bent wrist. Maybe Jeph updated the art?

I think Clinton looks smooth. But sisters are sisters.
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regarding speedos.
in europe 'speedos' are just regular swimwear.  so its always hilarious (and a bit sad) how americans make a big deal out of them.  especially how people say they are horrified that they can see other men bulge.
It's strange to me, too. In the mid-70s, my wife and I spent several days a week in the Y pool with our daughter. Speedos were commonplace. On me, too, when I had hipbones to hold them up.
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Welcome, new person!

We were just trying to figure that out earlier. One possibility is that Clinton took it off to avoid immersing it.



His hand is there, it's just tucked rather than resting on top of the arm. I draw a lot of my characters with arms crossed this way, though admittedly one hand is usually on top.

The reason I ask is because I looked at it and the "tucked under" arm has the same color as the rest of his skin, while in previous comics he appeared in the robotic hand was clearly white.

It doesn't take away from the comic in any way, I just like catching little things like that. :)
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in europe 'speedos' are just regular swimwear.  so its always hilarious (and a bit sad) how americans make a big deal out of them.  especially how people say they are horrified that they can see other men bulge.

I don't tend to find cultural differences hilarious and sad. Its not a failing on anyone's part that 'speedos' are not a popular fashion in the US, and it sure as hell doesn't hurt anyone that we don't like them.

It could easily be reversed: Oh you poor sad Europeans with your lack of good fashion sense and obsession with showing off your junk. See how offensive that feels?

Why is it that the culture of the US is seen as an acceptable target?

EDIT: Also, man, I just wanted to come in to talk about how hilarious I found Steve's last line, but I can never get away with just that.
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"Every car on the road is a used car".

Not when they are test mules.
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Welcome, new person!

We were just trying to figure that out earlier. One possibility is that Clinton took it off to avoid immersing it.



His hand is there, it's just tucked rather than resting on top of the arm. I draw a lot of my characters with arms crossed this way, though admittedly one hand is usually on top.

The reason I ask is because I looked at it and the "tucked under" arm has the same color as the rest of his skin, while in previous comics he appeared in the robotic hand was clearly white.

It doesn't take away from the comic in any way, I just like catching little things like that. :)

But the tucked-under bit isn't the same color of his skin, it's an almost-white gray.
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Jeph being Jeph, if Marten winds up Meeting Someone I'll bet it will be a new character.
You don't consider the interns to be new characters?

"Every car on the road is a used car". The interns are now known characters, even if they still have that new car smell.
Yeah, but by that logic, a newer character would still be an old character by the time Marten starts dating her.
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Why is it that the culture of the US is seen as an acceptable target?


Remember the Twelfth Commandment, "Thou shalt not take thyself too fucking seriously". I'm fine with people chuckling over my country's prudishness.
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Claire drowns Clinton















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I wonder if she's never had the opportunity before?
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Why is it that the culture of the US is seen as an acceptable target?


Remember the Twelfth Commandment, "Thou shalt not take thyself too fucking seriously". I'm fine with people chuckling over my country's prudishness.

Then why do you not respond this way to Akima reacting to someone making a joke about Chinese culture. (To be clear, I have no problem with Akima defending her culture. I have a problem with a bit of the "well chill out its just a joke" if the target is American culture, but everyone takes it seriously when its Chinese culture. I think everyone should do their best to be sensitive to all cultures.)
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Everyone already knows about American "culture", it's one of our biggest exports. 


Very few Americans know anything about other cultures.  Even the ones they're descended from.  One of the things poked fun at the most is the stereotypically American assumption that "everyone's just like us!" 
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I think you're all being a bit bloody oversensitive, if that makes anyone feel better.

And now I shall proceed to mock my own culture. I'll pop open a cold one for yous all, and chuck another shrimp on the barbie.

Okay, I'm done.
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I think you're all being a bit bloody oversensitive, if that makes anyone feel better.

And now I shall proceed to mock my own culture. I'll pop open a cold one for yous all, and chuck another shrimp on the barbie.

Okay, I'm done.

Actually to be honest, I'm OK with that approach, too. As long as everyone is held to the same standards. I just find it annoying when everyone has to take it seriously when one person gets offended by a comment about culture, while if another person does they need to "chill out" because its an acceptable target.

Also @CarlE, I actually find that not to be the case (that everyone knows our culture). I've grown up in the US south, and I don't even think most of the US knows about my culture, much less people around the world. Just the stereotypical, derogatory, bullshit the media puts out.
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I don't understand the appeal of the male equivalent of cameltoe.
Late at getting to this party...

Speedos are hardly the equivalent of a cameltoe, a banana hammock OTOH... A few points:
  • I don't think that wet shorts (after swimming) would hide the male bulge anyway. Of course, if your plan was not to swim, then it's different.
  • IMHO insisting on hiding the male bulge would be closer to insisting on hiding the female bulge of breasts, and women's beachwear is not exactly designed with that target in mind.
  • Cameltoes are a problem, but wouldn't be such if it weren't for the silly fashion (hopefully goes away soon) of shaving the naturally occurring hair from private parts.

And as a punishment I want to give you a mental image of a middle-aged slightly overweight calculus teacher on a beach. Wearing five year old speedos, so some curls sticking out.  Not checking out the girls, but just enjoying beach life with his family. The latest dip to the lake had the effect of shrinking his bulge, but also left droplets of water on his back. Running down towards the inevitable cleft...
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in europe 'speedos' are just regular swimwear.  so its always hilarious (and a bit sad) how americans make a big deal out of them.  especially how people say they are horrified that they can see other men bulge.

I don't tend to find cultural differences hilarious and sad. Its not a failing on anyone's part that 'speedos' are not a popular fashion in the US, and it sure as hell doesn't hurt anyone that we don't like them.

It could easily be reversed: Oh you poor sad Europeans with your lack of good fashion sense and obsession with showing off your junk. See how offensive that feels?

Why is it that the culture of the US is seen as an acceptable target?
Perhaps because the culture in the US is demonstrated in this forum, while other cultures are merely brought up, whether as contrast to the demonstrated culture, or by the Americans themselves?

I'd offer another reversal though: Imagine if women were terrified to see other women's curves?  (I don't think "bulges" would be the right word ...)

Bring on the burqas! :)
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Perhaps because the culture in the US is demonstrated in this forum, while other cultures are merely brought up, whether as contrast to the demonstrated culture, or by the Americans themselves?

I'd offer another reversal though: Imagine if women were terrified to see other women's curves?  (I don't think "bulges" would be the right word ...)

Bring on the burqas! :)

I think you entirely missed the point of my last sentence.  I don't think there is anything wrong with "speedos". I'm not about to call Europeans sad for not finding them offensive and/or finding them fashionable.

I just wouldn't wear one myself, and this mostly has to do with cultural fashion and says nothing about my modesty or who I am as a person, so I don't see why it should be "sad and hilarious" that I don't like them.

If another culture found bikinis offensive (and they do exist), I'm not going to call them sad and hilarious for having cultural differences.
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Good on you.

But if another culture finds burqas sad and hilarious (and they do exist), are you going to take them to task over it?
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Good on you.

But if another culture finds burqas sad and hilarious (and they do exist), are you going to take them to task over it?

That is a false equivalence. Saying that a culture can choose for itself what it finds fashionable to wear is not the same as saying that culture is free to judge other cultures over the free choices of that culture.

Now, if you want to say that you find a culture that forces burqas on women offensive, that is different. But if they are choosing it for themselves, who am I to say they are wrong.

(Also, I would hardly consider the male bulge the equivalent of breasts. the "male bulge" is a primary sex characteristic, the breasts are a secondary sex characteristic.)
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The male bulge contains a primary sexual characteristic, but does not display it in the form that it naturally takes.

I find it curious when the same men who find the sight of a male bulge undesirable in swimwear also wear tight jeans.
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I find it curious when the same men who find the sight of a male bulge undesirable in swimwear also wear tight jeans.

It is odd, though really its the same bizarre hypocrisy that finds women in underwear less modest than women in a two piece swimsuit. Humans make weird judgements.

(As an aside, dude, I'm not wearing tight jeans, not for fashion reasons but I don't like constricting down there.)
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Is the primary/secondary distinction really the issue? I'm intrigued because I hadn't thought of it that way.
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I don't really think so.

Anyway, enough distraction - I haven't actually been able to work out what Steve's last sentence even means...
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He is saying that Marten has the easy win with the ladies when compared to Clinton. Kind of like:

"Hey there is one other single guy here"
"That guy?! He doesn't stand a chance so its exactly LIKE being the only single guy here."

Basically, Steve is being Steve.
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American culture...




(Off to bed after late- & long-hours of work, hopefully a non-filler comic when I am next conscious enough to check.)
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It is odd, though really its the same bizarre hypocrisy that finds women in underwear less modest than women in a two piece swimsuit. Humans make weird judgements.


Not talking in general here but there is a personal difference in context. In one situation you are usually in privacy and not expecting to be seen, at least not by anyone you aren't okay with seeing you in your underwear. In the other you are expecting to be in public with other people in similar dress. Plus at least for me, underwear is a personal thing. It's under my clothes for no one but me and my partner to see.
That said I don't even own a swimsuit because I haven't been swimming in years.

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anyone wondering how
a) Marten fucks it up this time
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I don't tend to find cultural differences hilarious and sad. Its not a failing on anyone's part that 'speedos' are not a popular fashion in the US, and it sure as hell doesn't hurt anyone that we don't like them.

It could easily be reversed: Oh you poor sad Europeans with your lack of good fashion sense and obsession with showing off your junk. See how offensive that feels?

Why is it that the culture of the US is seen as an acceptable target?

EDIT: Also, man, I just wanted to come in to talk about how hilarious I found Steve's last line, but I can never get away with just that.

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yeah...  that's not true.  I know what point you were trying to make but accusing europe of lacking good fashion is too false to really convey your point.

I never meant my comment to be mean spirited but I do find it hilarious why it is such an issue in USA.  We don't hide breasts right?  They bulge of breasts is widely accepted and the bigger it is the better.  Its just natural part of body, not some big deal.

If speedos are a problem how would you react to a guy having no clothes at all on public regular beach in Greece or Spain?
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Heh. When I was young and baggy pants were still fashionable we would were two pairs of swimming trunks. One as "boxers" and another one over that so you could still have your pants on the ground.

That being said
yeah yeah , Americans are prudes
Europeans are deviants
jews have crooked noses
and so forth
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Everyone has different tastes in clothing, that's plain and simple.

I might not like seeing some dude's man-parts barely concealed by a bit of spandex (or whatever fabric speedos actually are made of), but I don't go yelling at them to cover themselves up (which Claire is only doing because Clinton is her brother and all).

Forget discriminating against cultures, humans are weird.
He is saying that Marten has the easy win with the ladies when compared to Clinton. Kind of like:

"Hey there is one other single guy here"
"That guy?! He doesn't stand a chance so its exactly LIKE being the only single guy here."

Basically, Steve is being Steve.
When I went back to look at it, that does make sense.
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