Topic: WCDT: 2301-2305 (22-26 October 2012) Weekly Comics Discussion Thread (Read 138912 times)

iusticanun · « **Reply #150 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 00:57 »

Quote from: Throg on 23 Oct 2012, 04:41

Yeah I got a thing for redheads, so sue me.

Greetings, brother... Er, I mean: Muskrat muskrat muskrat.

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #151 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 01:24 »

Oh come on, Momo can't be wearing the stereotypical japanese school swim wear?

calmcalamity · « **Reply #152 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 02:30 »

I don't think we've ever seen Marten as freaked out as the last two panels.

Quote from: cesariojpn on 24 Oct 2012, 01:24

Oh come on, Momo can't be wearing the stereotypical japanese school swim wear?

Also, come on cesariojpn, get your head outta the gutter. It's a zip-up swim suit kinda like this.

Akima · « **Reply #153 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 03:42 »

Momo obviously needs a buoyancy compensator like that used by Motoko Kusanagi in the first Ghost In The Shell film.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #154 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 03:59 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 23 Oct 2012, 16:29

Uhm, point of order?

That's STEVE in today's comic. Not Angus.

You are quite right, I stand thoroughly corrected.

Y · « **Reply #155 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 04:23 »

Quote from: Akima on 24 Oct 2012, 03:42

Momo obviously needs a buoyancy compensator like that used by Motoko Kusanagi in the first Ghost In The Shell film.

I wonder if Momo could just download a swimming lesson and use it to negate any negative buoyancy she might have.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #156 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 04:57 »

I don't think that physics of swimming work quite like that. IOW Momo cannot produce enough lift by any motion of her arms and legs to compensate for her negative net buoyancy.

We can swim because we have a bit of positive net buoyancy - at least when our lungs are full of air (many people, e.g. my wife, can just float on their backs without any swimming motion, but I cannot do that myself well enough to trust it). We can also drown, because that buoyancy is not enough to keep all of the heavy, bony head on top of the surface (and we eventually want to exhale temporarily losing that air filled cavity). My understanding is that swimming is mostly about bobbing near the surface and synchronizing our breathing with the bobbing motion.

So to be able to swim, Momo would need to have an inflatable cavity/bag/balloon inside her body. Probably judged not to be useful enough to be worth the effort (given that she is not in dire regular need of oxygen).

VonKleist · « **Reply #157 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 05:19 »

That brings up the point of how heavy her chassi actually is.
She could maybe produce enough lift by whirling her arms or by having a sort of extendable propeller but it would be quite dangerous for anyone around her, I imagine. Turning the water around her into a malstrom or something.
Anywho, apparently it´s easier to just walk along the bottom of the lake.

Abyssalin · « **Reply #158 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 05:21 »

Well i suppose this also answers all those questions about if she can stand water, Along with the earlier time when she had a shower. that said if that happened to me i'd probably be terrified.

Madmartigan · « **Reply #159 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 05:42 »

That's what you get Marten, when you space out and become a loner during a lake party.

But mainly that's what you get for using that ridiculous noodle.

Abyssalin · « **Reply #160 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 05:43 »

Quote from: Madmartigan on 24 Oct 2012, 05:42

That's what you get Marten, when you space out and become a loner during a lake party.

But mainly that's what you get for using that ridiculous noodle.

Noodles are awesome, how dare you sir!

JRDelirio · « **Reply #161 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 06:14 »

Quote from: VonKleist on 24 Oct 2012, 05:19

That brings up the point of how heavy her chassi actually is.

Not very, apparently -- or at least when compensated by the water. We know from Steve that the depth at that point is enough for an adult to stand on the bottom with head above water, so in the last panel Marten's standing on the bottom and pulling her up. BUT Momo's not THAT short... if she was able to stably walk upright on the bottom with the water completely covering her head far enough so no floating hair gives her away, Marten would have had to be free-floating above, and noodle or no noodle he would not be able to just lift her with his arm, but rather he'd have been dragged under.

pwhodges · « **Reply #162 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 06:18 »

Quote from: JRDelirio on 24 Oct 2012, 06:14

We know from Steve that the depth at that point is enough for an adult to stand on the bottom with head above water, so in the last panel Marten's standing on the bottom and pulling her up.

Steve was standing on a rock (or turtle!), and Momo appeared without her head above water; but your logic is right, that if she can pull herself up using Marten's buoyancy, then she can't be much heavier than water. But enough to thoroughly unsettle Marten's equilibrium, both mechanical and mental.

jwhouk · « **Reply #163 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 07:29 »

Bellisario's Maxim, people. The Boss is trying hard to produce quality comics while simultaneously attempting to quit smoking without the love of his life in the same house at the moment.

jwhouk · « **Reply #164 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 07:30 »

And on that note:
Muskrat?

Muskrat! 0 (0%)
Muskrat muskrat. 0 (0%)
Muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT. 1 (2.9%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT. 2 (5.7%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT. 1 (2.9%)
Muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT MUSKRAT muskrat muskrat. 0 (0%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT muskrat MUSKRAT MUSKRAT. 3 (8.6%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat. 8 (22.9%)
Muskrat? 1 (2.9%)
MUSKRAT??? 0 (0%)
MUSKRAT! 2 (5.7%)
Yes, this poll makes as much sense as the strip. 10 (28.6%)
AND WE LOVE IT! 7 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 35

DSL · « **Reply #165 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 07:43 »

Maybe Momo just LIKES to swim underwater.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Underthinking. Pbbbt.

VonKleist · « **Reply #166 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 07:44 »

I dunno.. I just thought robots are heavy and shit.
But, yeah, let´s stop now.

Rockman · « **Reply #167 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 08:43 »

An appropriate soundtrack for today's strip.

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #168 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 08:48 »

Quote from: DSL on 24 Oct 2012, 07:43

Maybe Momo just LIKES to swim underwater.

I know I do. Never liked the sensation of having one side dry (relatively) and the other wet.

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #169 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 08:52 »

Quote from: Skewbrow on 24 Oct 2012, 04:57

(many people, e.g. my wife, can just float on their backs without any swimming motion, but I cannot do that myself well enough to trust it).

Even in freshwater? Because I can definitely do that in saltwater, but in freshwater I always end up vertical if I don't move my legs.

ink slinger · « **Reply #170 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 09:23 »

Quote

That's STEVE in today's comic. Not Angus.

I stand corrected. And embarrassed.

As for today's comic, is it bad that I saw the title in my RSS feed and assumed it was going to be some kind of terrible "flotation device" joke involving Faye?

Abyssalin · « **Reply #171 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 09:24 »

Quote from: ink slinger on 24 Oct 2012, 09:23

Quote
That's STEVE in today's comic. Not Angus.

I stand corrected. And embarrassed.

As for today's comic, is it bad that I saw the title in my RSS feed and assumed it was going to be some kind of terrible "flotation device" joke involving Faye?

Well no, cause i had similar ideas except it was Marigold.

Carl-E · « **Reply #172 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 09:28 »

Quote from: Schmorgluck on 24 Oct 2012, 08:52

Quote from: Skewbrow on 24 Oct 2012, 04:57
(many people, e.g. my wife, can just float on their backs without any swimming motion, but I cannot do that myself well enough to trust it).
Even in freshwater? Because I can definitely do that in saltwater, but in freshwater I always end up vertical if I don't move my legs.

Well, I can't speak for Skewbrow's wife, but mine can.

TBH, she has some extra buoyancy...

And I don't just dip below the water, I actually sink. Even with a good lungful - it just slows the process a bit.

TinPenguin · « **Reply #173 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 09:58 »

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 24 Oct 2012, 08:48

Quote from: DSL on 24 Oct 2012, 07:43
Maybe Momo just LIKES to swim underwater.
I know I do. Never liked the sensation of having one side dry (relatively) and the other wet.

Same here. I must have annoyed people at the pool by always weaving around their legs as I swam lengths underwater. Certainly there must have been a few faces like Marten's in Panel 2.

Oh, and if I was with friends, maybe a few like Panel 3.

Snagaxela · « **Reply #174 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 10:17 »

Is it just me or is that a metal gear solid reference in the poll. Muskrat? MUSKRAT??? MUSKRAT!

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #175 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 10:24 »

Quote from: TinPenguin on 24 Oct 2012, 09:58

Quote from: Mr_Rose on 24 Oct 2012, 08:48
Quote from: DSL on 24 Oct 2012, 07:43
Maybe Momo just LIKES to swim underwater.
I know I do. Never liked the sensation of having one side dry (relatively) and the other wet.

Same here. I must have annoyed people at the pool by always weaving around their legs as I swam lengths underwater. Certainly there must have been a few faces like Marten's in Panel 2.

Oh, and if I was with friends, maybe a few like Panel 3.

I mostly end up freaking out the lifeguards by just disappearing in the deep end rather than actually swimming. I ought to see if I can't find a waterproof ebook reader….

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #176 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 10:47 »

Quote from: JRDelirio on 24 Oct 2012, 06:14

We know from Steve that the depth at that point is enough for an adult to stand on the bottom with head above water, so in the last panel Marten's standing on the bottom and pulling her up. BUT Momo's not THAT short... if she was able to stably walk upright on the bottom with the water completely covering her head far enough so no floating hair gives her away, Marten would have had to be free-floating above, and noodle or no noodle he would not be able to just lift her with his arm, but rather he'd have been dragged under.

Well, all we need is a height comparison with Momo and Steve.

This strip has a good comparison height between Marten and Momo. But then again, with that comparison, how could Marten pull Momo out of the water like that given her height, depth of water, and weight?

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #177 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 11:03 »

She doesn't have much volume: even being denser than a human, she might not weigh enough for a healthy adult to lift.

But this is Marten we're talking about, who can't even hold up Hannelore.

If she were physically strong enough she could keep herself above water.

jmucchiello · « **Reply #178 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 11:20 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 24 Oct 2012, 07:30

And on that note:
Muskrat?

Muskrat! 0 (0%)
Muskrat muskrat. 0 (0%)
Muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT. 1 (2.9%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT. 2 (5.7%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT. 1 (2.9%)
Muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT MUSKRAT muskrat muskrat. 0 (0%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat MUSKRAT muskrat MUSKRAT MUSKRAT. 3 (8.6%)
Muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat. 8 (22.9%)
Muskrat? 1 (2.9%)
MUSKRAT??? 0 (0%)
MUSKRAT! 2 (5.7%)
Yes, this poll makes as much sense as the strip. 10 (28.6%)
AND WE LOVE IT! 7 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 35

Where was the Monty Python shout out?
Muskrat muskrat muskrat muskrat baked beans and muskrat

Method of Madness · « **Reply #179 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 11:37 »

Replace Muskrat with Marklar.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #180 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 11:50 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 24 Oct 2012, 09:28

Quote from: Schmorgluck on 24 Oct 2012, 08:52
Quote from: Skewbrow on 24 Oct 2012, 04:57
(many people, e.g. my wife, can just float on their backs without any swimming motion, but I cannot do that myself well enough to trust it).
Even in freshwater? Because I can definitely do that in saltwater, but in freshwater I always end up vertical if I don't move my legs.

Well, I can't speak for Skewbrow's wife, but mine can.

TBH, she has some extra buoyancy...

I've seen her do it in both fresh water and salt water (or the Baltic Sea, which passes for salt water over here, but does not have the salinity of an ocean). She is near the petite end of the feminine spectrum, so that does not play any role. May be her lung volume to body volume ratio is advantageous? May be my problem is that I'm a moutbreather, whereas she only needs to have her nostrils a quarter of an inch above the surface. Nah, she is just better swimmer than I will ever be.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #181 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 12:18 »

How can Marten hold anything heavier than water, given he can barely swim?

Method of Madness · « **Reply #182 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 12:23 »

Ha, again, just because he's chilling on the noodle doesn't mean he can't swim.

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #183 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:05 »

I guess relaxing while swimming is more alien a concept than I thought. YOU'RE IN THE WATER! YOU MUST ALWAYS BE SWIMMING FOR YOUR LIFE!

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #184 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:10 »

Quote from: iduguphergrave on 24 Oct 2012, 13:05

I guess relaxing while swimming is more alien a concept than I thought. YOU'RE IN THE WATER! YOU MUST ALWAYS BE SWIMMING FOR YOUR LIFE!

That and the people who can't "get" an original joke or humorisim... "What's this based on?" "oh is this from X?" "I don't get it were did he copy this joke from."

Muskrat muskrat muskrat. *nod*

Method of Madness · « **Reply #185 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:20 »

There's nothing new under the sun. Then again, in space, "under" is meaningless. Maybe we're to the side of the sun, so there's plenty of new stuff.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #186 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:33 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 24 Oct 2012, 13:20

There's nothing new under the sun. Then again, in space, "under" is meaningless. Maybe we're to the side of the sun, so there's plenty of new stuff.

The sheer number of friends of mine who didn't "get" that this was an original attempt at humor and not a blazing callback to something else astounds me.

I thought my peeps were far more "original minded" than that. Clearly I need to murder them all, sell their stuff on ebay and acquire new friends.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #187 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:42 »

I'm the opposite, I always assume that things are new when apparently they are a callback to something I've not heard of.

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #188 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:43 »

Quote from: Skewbrow on 24 Oct 2012, 11:50

Quote from: Carl-E on 24 Oct 2012, 09:28
Quote from: Schmorgluck on 24 Oct 2012, 08:52
Quote from: Skewbrow on 24 Oct 2012, 04:57
(many people, e.g. my wife, can just float on their backs without any swimming motion, but I cannot do that myself well enough to trust it).
Even in freshwater? Because I can definitely do that in saltwater, but in freshwater I always end up vertical if I don't move my legs.

Well, I can't speak for Skewbrow's wife, but mine can.

TBH, she has some extra buoyancy...

I've seen her do it in both fresh water and salt water (or the Baltic Sea, which passes for salt water over here, but does not have the salinity of an ocean). She is near the petite end of the feminine spectrum, so that does not play any role. May be her lung volume to body volume ratio is advantageous? May be my problem is that I'm a moutbreather, whereas she only needs to have her nostrils a quarter of an inch above the surface. Nah, she is just better swimmer than I will ever be.

SCIENCE ALERT!! SCIENCE ALERT!!

Actually, the reason why you can float easier on salt water than fresh water is the salt. Because salt water is heavier and denser than fresh water, many things can float much easier than normal.

Or to put it bluntly, look up images of folk floating in the Dead Sea, one of the saltiest bodies of water out there. They float much higher in the water than normal beach goers in the rest of the world.

http://www.msnucleus.org/membership/html/k-6/wc/oceans/4/wcoc4_1a.html

Method of Madness · « **Reply #189 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 13:52 »

I'll be there in December! I'm not quite sure I want to go in.

jwhouk · « **Reply #190 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 15:26 »

Quote from: Snagaxela on 24 Oct 2012, 10:17

Is it just me or is that a metal gear solid reference in the poll. Muskrat? MUSKRAT??? MUSKRAT!

...Or maybe Sister Mary Elephant.

jwhouk · « **Reply #191 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 15:32 »

If we REALLY have to explain it...

She walked into the water, walked along the bottom of the lake, and when she got to Marten, grabbed his arm and "jumped" up.

Madmartigan · « **Reply #192 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 15:43 »

Quote from: Abyssalin on 24 Oct 2012, 05:43

Quote from: Madmartigan on 24 Oct 2012, 05:42
That's what you get Marten, when you space out and become a loner during a lake party.

But mainly that's what you get for using that ridiculous noodle.

Noodles are awesome, how dare you sir!

Lies!

Noodles blow. Tubes are the way to go. Inner Tubes or one of these babies that is.

Omega Entity · « **Reply #193 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 17:12 »

Quote from: calmcalamity on 24 Oct 2012, 02:30

I don't think we've ever seen Marten as freaked out as the last two panels.

Quote from: cesariojpn on 24 Oct 2012, 01:24
Oh come on, Momo can't be wearing the stereotypical japanese school swim wear?

Also, come on cesariojpn, get your head outta the gutter. It's a zip-up swim suit kinda like this.

That suit might also be designed to help keep water out of her chassis, too. It does cover bother her arm and neck seams, after all.

treyhawk · « **Reply #194 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 17:29 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 24 Oct 2012, 11:37

Replace Muskrat with Marklar.

Or Mukluk. Mukluk mukluk mukluk.

Akima · « **Reply #195 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 17:50 »

Quote from: Skewbrow on 24 Oct 2012, 04:57

I don't think that physics of swimming work quite like that. IOW Momo cannot produce enough lift by any motion of her arms and legs to compensate for her negative net buoyancy.

I'm sure she could, but it would be very wasteful of energy. I was once challenged to demonstrate that I could swim 50m wearing a 4.5kg diver's weight-belt without a wet-suit or any other buoyancy/swimming aid. The weight was easily sufficient to allow me to stand on the bottom of the fresh-water swimming pool; flat-footed, completely submerged, with full lungs. I had no difficulty passing the test, but I had to work much harder than normal to stay close enough to the surface to breathe. With sufficient power, I'm sure Momo could swim, but the battery drain would be much greater than just walking along the bottom.

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #196 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 17:55 »

Quote from: cesariojpn on 24 Oct 2012, 13:43

Actually, the reason why you can float easier on salt water than fresh water is the salt. Because salt water is heavier and denser than fresh water, many things can float much easier than normal.

This is the kind of thing that I'd tend to assume pretty much everyone knows...
Anyway a fun and simple experiment to show the phenomenon to kids, is to put an raw chicken egg in fresh water: it sinks (hopefully - if it doesn't, it means it's rotten). Add salt to the water, the egg floats.

~~mustang6172~~ · « **Reply #197 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 18:06 »

In the event of a water landing, Momo may be used as a flotation device.

DSL · « **Reply #198 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 18:20 »

Quote from: mustang6172 on 24 Oct 2012, 18:06

In the event of a water landing, Momo may be used as a flotation device.

Did you mean that ironically?

Redball · « **Reply #199 on:** 24 Oct 2012, 18:22 »

You wouldn't think of her as pneumatic.

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