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The explanation of "Aunt" Jane.

4 (10.8%)

An "Erotic Photographer!"

0 (0%)

Lace Panties and a Garter Belt. (I could really use some more material for my upskirt site!)

3 (8.1%)

"Marten, be a good boy and look away." (Yes, mother.)

2 (5.4%)

Does it, um, bother you? What your mother does? (Nah, I'm used to it.)

0 (0%)

It must've been weird growing up.

0 (0%)

It was pretty funny seeing other parents "recognize" her on Career Day...

6 (16.2%)

The Artistic Equivalent of Name Dropping (Charles Stross, Keith GWS, Cassandra Clare, Holly Black)

0 (0%)

Who were all those people? I have NO idea.

5 (13.5%)

A female Officiant, White Tux, a Flower Girl, Maurice comes in on... a WHITE HORSE?

6 (16.2%)

Your noble steed is now grazing on the azaelas.

2 (5.4%)

Henry Reed and Maurice Duplantier.

0 (0%)

Ring exchange, kiss, "I now pronounce you married!"

0 (0%)

Claire: "That's IT?"

9 (24.3%)

Total Members Voted: 35

[de_la_Nae]

!

I've been undone by my own hubris! 
Well played!

On the subject of the comic...I confess that I mistook the paintings for windows for a moment. Then I thought "man what was Jeph on when he drew that', then took another look. >_<

EDIT: Also I'm a little disappointed that the menu just says "Breakfast". I'm spoiled by the CoD blackboard.

[jwhouk]

What ELSE are we going to see at this wedding?

That interesting uncle of Marten's.    1 (2.4%)
The flower girl.    1 (2.4%)
Broken glass.    0 (0%)
Veronica's OBJECTION!    0 (0%)
The Electric Slide.    2 (4.8%)
Drunk makeouts with some random dude.    1 (2.4%)
Or gal.    0 (0%)
Claire catches the boquet!    13 (31%)
Marten catches the garter!    2 (4.8%)
MOM catches the boquet!    5 (11.9%)
Oh, it's gonna get weird.    12 (28.6%)
...It got weird.    5 (11.9%)

Total Members Voted: 42

[Valdís]

[ ... ] Hell it's one I've made.
[ ... ] I mean, hell, [ ... ]

While we're on the topic of bad words. *angrily shakes his cane in one hand and grips his inhailer ever so slightly tighter*
How could you!

What'cha got against Hel? She's not all that bad of a person!

[Soulsynger]

Man, if I really WERE an old grumpy man chibis would weird the crap out of me. Seriously, what's with you kids today and all your base all your anime?!

 

[de_la_Nae]

Aww...neko oishii kawaii desu, Soulsynger-baka-san! 

I'll stop, I'll stop, put away the pepper-spray! I'll be good.

[pwhodges]

Man, if I really WERE an old grumpy man chibis would weird the crap out of me. Seriously, what's with you kids today and all your base all your anime?!

Here's a grumpy old man who's into anime...

[Soulsynger]

You're not as old or grumpy as my hyperbole requires you to be, pwhodges.

(But now I'm hopin' we get to see SOME grumpy granparents during the wedding. Heh.)

@de_la_Nee:
Pepper spray? PEPPER SPRAY!? That's for wimmin and effeminate boys! I was gonna give you a paddlin' with my cane, though.

And I don't think you need to be so polite as to call me "san" here.
Also I'm not a cat. And neither cute nor adorable.

[de_la_Nae]

I'd link what I'm thinking of when I think of 'random nonsense stereotypical anime-gibbering', but the site's a little NSFW. But let it be known I almost went with kowaii instead, which as a word makes me cackle in delight.

[Near Lurker]

Note: Marten, being a boy, is told to look away. Claire, being a girl, is not. Except she's been socialised that way until comparatively recently. Talk about being thown in at the deep end...

Is it?  I think Veronica's just kind of... forgotten her.  After all, how many strange men and women alike have seen as much?

[ankhtahr]

well, I'm pretty sure that it would traumatize me for life if my mother started shooting upskirt pictures/videos while I'm around.

Oh, and Valdís: Which Humon comic is this from? I only know SaTW, but that's definitely her style.

[ScoutX]

I find it interesting that Claire is shocked in Panel 4, but not blushing.

Aww. They broke her poor little brain.

She sure is getting a crash course on being part of the QC Crew.

[Loki]

OMG. Future sight activated.


Marten and Claire walk out of the wedding when it's all over.

Marten: You have been really brave in there. I didn't really think anyone could stand my family for so long.
Claire: Uh... no problem.
Marten: No, seriously, this means a lot to me.
They lean towards each other.... their faces almost touch...
Marten: HERP!
Claire: DERP!
Both: Bwahahaha!

[MillionDollar Belt Sander]

"Gender Fluid" - Suitable for people who are, sure.

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 


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[de_la_Nae]

OMG. Future sight activated.


Marten and Claire walk out of the wedding when it's all over.

Marten: You have been really brave in there. I didn't really think anyone could stand my family for so long.
Claire: Uh... no problem.
Marten: No, seriously, this means a lot to me.
They lean towards each other.... their faces almost touch...
Marten: HERP!
Claire: DERP!
Both: Bwahahaha!

Isn't your avatar from that strip?

[Loki]

Yes.

[Is it cold in here?]

Social signaling is useful. It can take months for a minority group member to be sure you're safe to be around. If you show up front that you are willing to take the effort to avoid offensive terminology, that's a useful heuristic that allows them to relax slightly and assume you're less likely to torture, rape, and murder them.

[jesslc]

What ELSE are we going to see at the wedding?

I'd put money on seeing Veronica hitting it off (or making out or going on a date) with someone she meets at the reception.

Others have said it before, but now I, personally, suddenly understand Marten much better. Imagine that happening all through his life.

Scene: Tween Marten walks in the front door, to see the living dungeon room and his mom in nothing but garters and stiletto boots standing on a guys back and 5 production guys.
"Welp, I'll be upstairs doing homework."
Okay honey, there's lemonade in the fridge if you're thirsty!"

Yes. This scene is totally canon.

[Ashtagon]

Claire, who had been thinking about possible future make-outs with Marten, decides to call it off before ever telling him, on account of his family being too weird.

[westrim]

Responses I must respond to!

Well, my response is-

I think it's time to put a damper on this discussion of language, which is straying beyond the actual point that started it.

Okay. Didn't need to spend half an hour composing, so thanks for nipping that.

Claire, who had been thinking about possible future make-outs with Marten, decides to call it off before ever telling him, on account of his family being too weird.

I think it may actually be a selling point for him.

[rmo]

OMG. Future sight activated.


Marten and Claire walk out of the wedding when it's all over.

Marten: You have been really brave in there. I didn't really think anyone could stand my family for so long.
Claire: Uh... no problem.
Marten: No, seriously, this means a lot to me.
They lean towards each other.... their faces almost touch...
Marten: HERP!
Claire: DERP!
Both: Bwahahaha!

That's the premonition I had as soon as Claire was for sure going to the wedding. It feels to forced and cliché.

[Pilchard123]

I don't know what an isomer is

I could do with keeping some of my chemistry knowledge active, so here goes. An isomer is a molecule that has the same molecular formula (basically just the same number of atoms of each element) as another, but has them arranged differently. There are multiple types of isomerism, but cis/trans isomerism (geometric isomerism; E/Z isomerism from the German entgegen and zusammen - respectively 'against, contrary to, in opposition to'  and 'together') has to do with the arrangement of atoms in space rather than the bonds that they have. A double (or more) bond cannot 'rotate' much at all, whereas a single bond can.

The simplest cis isomer that I can think of if something like cis-1,2-dichloroethene, which can be represented like this:

Code: [Select]

Cl      Cl
 \      /
  C == C     The chlorine atoms are on the same side of the bond
 /      \
H        H

The corresponding (although with longer molecules you can have more than two geometric isomers) trans isomer is cis-1,2-dichloroethene:

Code: [Select]

Cl        H
 \       /
  C == C   Opposite sides
 /      \
H        Cl

A trans fat is a fat with trans isomers making up some (all? I'm not sure) of its fatty acids. I've left out the ends of the chain, but they'd look something like this:

Code: [Select]

      H    H    H
      |    |    |
..... C -- C -- C -- H   H
      |    |     \      /
      H    H      C == C      H    H                       The hydrogen atoms are on opposite sides of the double bond, as are the carbon chains
                 /      \     |    |
               H    H -- C -- C -- C   .....
                         |    |    |
                         H    H    H


See, this is about when Akima comes and tells me that I'm talking rubbish.

[Barmymoo]

I sort of half understood some of that, which is more than can be said of most of the science I have encountered in my life! Thanks

[TimO]

See, this is about when Akima comes and tells me that I'm talking rubbish.

I think that sounds plausibly correct, although I'm a physicist who has spent his career doing electronics and software engineering, so not much of a judge in this context.

I also suspect that usage of Cis and Trans in the ways that have been discussed relate far more to their Latin meanings rather than chemistry, interesting though the chemistry is.

Wikipedia entry on organic chemistry cis/trans isomerism

[Pilchard123]

Yea, the chemical use is based on the Latin meanings of cis/trans as well. I just felt like digging up some college stuff that I haven't used for a few months as a (possibly) interesting aside.

[Kugai]

Claires face is priceless.

So is Martens.



This is definitely going to be an interesting wedding.

[Is it cold in here?]

Will there be dancing?

What does Martenmom do when she gets on a dance floor?

What happens when she tries it with a 56-year-old body?

[de_la_Nae]

I feel like I'm supposed to chime in with something about getting down on the floor, maybe doing the dinosaur?

It's been years since I've seen that movie though.

[jwhouk]

And Veronica is going to make it so.

[Method of Madness]

I feel like I'm supposed to chime in with something about getting down on the floor, maybe doing the dinosaur?

Without opening the door? How, I ask ye?

[Valdís]

Oh, and Valdís: Which Humon comic is this from? I only know SaTW, but that's definitely her style.

Oh, not a comic or anything. It's a Mythology upload on her DeviantArt.

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 

I.. what.. 

[cesium133]

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 

I.. what.. 

Sorry, MDBS, I didn't even mean to do that.

[GarandMarine]

[ ... ]
All things considered it might be pretty amazing that Martin has the spine he has and manages healthy emotional relationships, not to mention sexual relationships that don't involve a pound of chocolate chip pancake batter, an aerial restraint system and a trampoline.

...that last bit actually sounds kinda fun... idea for next date night me thinks.

... OH DEAR GOD my mind's eye
(edit: also, I'd go on that date with you, regardless of your gender. I mean, seriously, I wouldn't care the tiniest bit what you are or what you wish to be designated as, just to see you smile the ensuing hilarity of what you described.  )

  


How you doin?

Also now that Chemistry (a form of vile mathematics have been brought into this thread I must beat a swift retreat, math hurts me brain meats.

[Daphnaie]

Since there's always at least one person a week who seems to speculate about this, I thought I'd repost this from Jeph's twitter:

some dude (funny how it's ALWAYS dudes) was like "it's unrealistic that EVERYONE would be totally chill about it"

@jephjacques I am transgender myself and I kept wondering when the other shoe was going to drop. Glad to know it isn't going to. Thanks.

.@kelli217 It's not a "conflict" I'm interested in writing. I'd rather spend that time and effort focusing on inclusion.

Short version: Jeph isn't going to have Marten accidentally out Claire, or have someone else figure out and be transphobic towards her.

[MillionDollar Belt Sander]

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 

I.. what.. 

Sorry, MDBS, I didn't even mean to do that.

It appears at least one person isn't an obsessive remember-er of details or an archive-diver.   

[celticgeek]

Yes, I can imagine that "career day" would be interesting. 

[Valdís]

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 

I.. what.. 

Sorry, MDBS, I didn't even mean to do that.

It appears at least one person isn't an obsessive remember-er of details or an archive-diver.   

*Is genuinely confused by all three of these comments, and Urbandictionary telling me that "happy-batter" means "cum" did not help. Also not finding anything on MDBS.*

[westrim]

Even without the internet, it seems unlikely that none of the kids or more talkative parents managed to find out, if only through the same means that Dora did diddle delightfully.
.

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 

I.. what.. 

Sorry, MDBS, I didn't even mean to do that.

It appears at least one person isn't an obsessive remember-er of details or an archive-diver.   

*Is genuinely confused by all three of these comments, and Urbandictionary telling me that "happy-batter" means "cum" did not help. Also not finding anything on MDBS.*

Now I'm confused. MDBS is MillionDollarBeltSander. If you understand that it's a pearly string of semen puns, what is the confusion? Gender fluid is being taken as sex secretions, not as similar to malleable, happy batter is semen, the stain is a semen stain, cum is semen, cummerbund has 'cum' in the word, and Marten said happy batter and cummerbund in the comic linked to by the red period after "that".

[Sorflakne]

Hm, I think I like Clare better without her glasses.

[Is it cold in here?]

The comic the references co^H^Hare derived from.

[cesariojpn]

Yes, I can imagine that "career day" would be interesting.

"Hi, I'm Veronica, Marten's mom, and I do modeling work."

[jwhouk]

The comic the references co^H^Hare derived from.

And I didn't even have to go back and look.

Of course, that was right before The Breakup Arc, so there's that.

[MillionDollar Belt Sander]

Even without the internet, it seems unlikely that none of the kids or more talkative parents managed to find out, if only through the same means that Dora did diddle delightfully.
.

Your "gender fluid" is diluting my happy-batter.  Damn it this is going to stain my cummerbund.     

 

I.. what.. 

Sorry, MDBS, I didn't even mean to do that.

It appears at least one person isn't an obsessive remember-er of details or an archive-diver.   

*Is genuinely confused by all three of these comments, and Urbandictionary telling me that "happy-batter" means "cum" did not help. Also not finding anything on MDBS.*

Now I'm confused. MDBS is MillionDollarBeltSander. If you understand that it's a pearly string of semen puns, what is the confusion? Gender fluid is being taken as sex secretions, not as similar to malleable, happy batter is semen, the stain is a semen stain, cum is semen, cummerbund has 'cum' in the word, and Marten said happy batter and cummerbund in the comic linked to by the red period after "that".

You know what, I give up.  I'm going to move to Vulcan and do stand up comedy there for awhile.

[Soulsynger]

I find Marten's sudden ease about his mother's "work" VERY HARD to believe for some reason.

Why fake all that annoyance, why storm off everytime it gets explicit if you're so cool about it?
(I'm at work right now so my archive-fu is a bit hindered. But I can recall a couple of instances of Marten being VERY uneasy about Veronica's line of work °O)

[jwhouk]

Sometimes it's not when, it's how, methinks.

Then again, we do have to remember that he's from Cali.

[Is it cold in here?]

Marten's coolth has limits.

[Carl-E]

Seems he's lived with it all this time by having some well defined boundaries. 


People keep pushing right up to those boundaries around him.  He doesn't seem to handle that very well. 

[slydon]

Is Claire's mother the hairdresser?

[GarandMarine]

Aren't all human relationships defined by boundaries?

It just happens that Martin's boundaries on THAT particular issue (mothersapornstar) make the Atlantic Wall look like your white haired granny's garden gate.

[pwhodges]

Is Claire's mother the hairdresser?

I've wondered; but people generally seem uninterested in making that association.

[ZoeB]

Claire, who had been thinking about possible future make-outs with Marten, decides to call it off before ever telling him, on account of his family being too weird.

I don't think so.

Being Trans tends to broaden your mind.

I'm prim, priggish, prudish, private. Anyways... while I sound as if I should be in the DAR or "Concerned Women of America", I've been forced to mix with people outside my social circle. Wayyy outside my comfort zone.

Go into a new city, look for a specialist medical practice dealing with Trans issues... 9 times out of 10, it will be an AIDS clinic. Standard first questions - when did you last inject, how many johns do you service in a week. The problem is, that so many of their patients need to supply that information, and lives depend on it, that no matter how uncomfy you may feel, it's not unreasonable of them to make those assumptions. You get to mix with people "on the edge". You get to know them as people, not cyphers. Some match every nasty stereotype you can think of, but most don't, in fact, many are far better people than you meet in "polite society". It's educational.

You realise it's only because of the luck of the draw that you're a professional engineer, and not turning tricks.

Claire transitioned early. She may have been insulated from a lot of this, but odds are, she wasn't. The average age Trans kids are chucked out of home is 13 1/2. There are a lot of 12 year old kids going to gender clinics who are on the game. By the time Claire was 15, she may well have met some whose life trajectories were quite different from hers.

While I'm sure she embarrasses easy about her own feelings - when it comes to families, and industrial sex, I think she could probably tell Veronica some things that other patients have told her that would cause Veronica to freeze in shock.

Too Weird? Not even remotely.

I'm still prim, prudish etc. But that's me, and others differ. Why shouldn't they?

Remember too... "polite society" may go "tut tut" over Veronica's exotic career... but it's vanilla compared with Claire merely existing. How the heck could Claire see Veronica as "too weird" when she herself is viewed by society at large as far, far weirder than that.  Even though she's really a bit old-fashioned and straight-arrow. Like me. She's probably used to being outside her comfort zone, she sees nothing wrong with that. Just different. Surprising, definitely. But not.. shocking. Not her style either.