Topic: WCDT: 2540-2544 (23-27 September, 2013) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread (Read 41852 times)

Kugai · « **on:** 22 Sep 2013, 10:15 »

New WCT and new Poll

Hey! It's 4am, and I haven't had my first Coffee of the day yet, so sue me.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #1 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 10:58 »

Would "No one" be a good option for this poll? A bit cruel to Claire, sure, but... Or is that covered by the waffle/spathe ham alternatives? I thought that waffles are covered in maple syrup and spathe ham is covering a thandwith, but whatever.

Legere-factus · « **Reply #2 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 11:01 »

Clinton noticing and commenting would be nice, as he's the only other character other than Marten who knows she's transitioning. He might go all proud sibling and give her a big hug. He wouldn't have to say out loud why it's such a big deal, just show her and give her a bit of the kudos she's asking for.
Marten's been great going with her to have the piercing done, and his physical presence is supportive... but he's been pretty mute. He literally hasn't said much!

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #3 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 12:23 »

Welcome, new person!

Redball · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 13:05 »

An insightful first post. You might tell us a little about yourself in Hi I'm New, if you wish. But if you do post there, keep an eye on your lug wrench, and back away if it starts to glow.

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 14:41 »

I suspect that we'll eventually find out that at least one other character knew or figured it out, but didn't say anything... not sure who.

Sidhekin · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 15:18 »

Hmm ...

Emily? Kinda obvious ...

Hanners? Kinda observant ...

Raven? Kinda given to surprising insights ...

Steve? Kinda secret agent thing, more attentive to people, as a matter first of training, later of life-and-death ...

Veronica? Kinda explains the retcon ...

Momo? No, hang on:

Pintsize!

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 18:30 »

Momo's social protocol database probably requires complimenting deliberate changes to appearance.

maxh · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 20:57 »

Dammit, Emily.

Kugai · « **Reply #9 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 21:07 »

Quote from: Skewbrow on 22 Sep 2013, 10:58

Would "No one" be a good option for this poll? A bit cruel to Claire, sure, but... Or is that covered by the waffle/spathe ham alternatives? I thought that waffles are covered in maple syrup and spathe ham is covering a thandwith, but whatever.

Damn!

I forgot the Purple Monkey Dishwasher option

Emily scares me

Never let her into Cheyanne Mountain.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #10 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 21:27 »

Is this Emily's revenge for Claire stealing the punch line about her peas?

What do you call that top Emily is wearing? It's not a tube top, those didn't go all the way down to the waist.

Where's Gabby, anyway? Eaten by library spiders?

Kugai · « **Reply #11 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 21:32 »

She's become their Queen and is plotting the Spider Overthrow.

crazdgamer · « **Reply #12 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 22:08 »

It's at this point that, from Claire's point of view, Emily just went from comically inept to maliciously inept.

To everyone else, she's still comically inept.

Truec · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 22:33 »

Quote from: Sidhekin on 22 Sep 2013, 15:18

Veronica? Kinda explains the retcon ...

There was a retcon and I missed it?

Romanticide · « **Reply #14 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 22:56 »

If I were Marten I would run to... this risk becoming a carnage, and he doesn't have his murder shoes on.

Near Lurker · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 23:02 »

Quote from: Truec on 22 Sep 2013, 22:33

There was a retcon and I missed it?

Originally, when Veronica first met Claire, here, she gave her the "I WANT GRANDKIDS!" speech, which the fans took as a little insensitive for the obvious reason.

Anyway, honestly, Claire should know better than to expect anyone but Marten (at this point, even Marten, really) to see this as a big deal...? Tai and Faye must be confused as hell right now.

techkid · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 Sep 2013, 23:07 »

Quote from: crazdgamer on 22 Sep 2013, 22:08

It's at this point that, from Claire's point of view, Emily just went from comically inept to maliciously inept.

Emily dances between the two in a disastrously elegant way, doesn't she?

CrowFairy · « **Reply #17 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 00:02 »

If Emily heard Claire talking about getting her ears pierced, then she would know that Claire had been scared. If she knew or remembered about that, then she would probably have complimented her on her bravery.

At worst, she's self-absorbed. At best, she's clueless. What's more likely is that she's in between and just doesn't pay as much attention to her friends as she should. I usually don't mind Emily. I think she's sweet and interesting most of the time. But this just ... bothers me.

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 22 Sep 2013, 21:27

What do you call that top Emily is wearing? It's not a tube top, those didn't go all the way down to the waist.

I call that a tube top. A "boob tube" is just for ... well, you know.

Akima · « **Reply #18 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 02:45 »

At school, I used to be like Emily about maths-tests ("They're easy! They're fun! You don't have to write essays!"). She just isn't thinking outside the me-bubble.

J · « **Reply #19 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 04:26 »

Quote from: LoliButt on 23 Sep 2013, 00:02

If Emily heard Claire talking about getting her ears pierced, then she would know that Claire had been scared. If she knew or remembered about that, then she would probably have complimented her on her bravery.

not necessarily; claire could have been thinking about it in the abstract at that point, with real anxiety only appearing once perforation became imminent.

also, i don't know much about body-piercing, but don't fresh ones get swollen up and bleed for a while?

Mad Cat · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 04:38 »

Thunder: Stolen

Method of Madness · « **Reply #21 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 04:56 »

Where did Emily find time? Didn't Claire start talking about it the day she got them pierced?

Zebediah · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 05:12 »

Emily just went into the bathroom with a sharp needle and took care of it herself, obviously. Or obliviously. Emily does pretty much everything obliviously.

jwhouk · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 05:58 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 23 Sep 2013, 04:56

Where did Emily find time? Didn't Claire start talking about it the day she got them pierced?

She probably did it during one of the laps around the piercing parlor.

muon · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 06:07 »

Quote from: J on 23 Sep 2013, 04:26

also, i don't know much about body-piercing, but don't fresh ones get swollen up and bleed for a while?

Only if you don't properly care for them and they become infected (or, at least certainly not with ears). If they're swollen and bleeding, you need to get to a doctor to deal with the fact that you have an infected wound.

PHDrillSergeant · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 06:28 »

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tl;dr: I'm a gigantic jerkoff, hello

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #26 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 06:40 »

Daaaaaaang.

~~Valdís~~ · « **Reply #27 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 06:42 »

You've got it completely wrong. Jeph changed his mind on it almost immediately after uploading it because he wasn't comfortable with it. He didn't intend for the punchline to be "Haha! She can't have kids, so this'd hurt her!", so he changed it so it wouldn't be read like that.

Also, if that had been the case, there's nothing wrong with not being a jerk and listening to people.

Edit: Found his post on it. Basically more of Jeph being awesome.

Neko_Ali · « **Reply #28 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 07:06 »

Clairexplosion in 3... 2.... I would start running faster if I were you, Marten... Nah, honestly I see Claire being more the sort to just seethe angrily for a while. Which kinda goes against the 'red heads have violent tempers' stereotype. And I don't think Emily was being malicious. This would be high level meanness and she just hasn't shown that. It would be well within behavior that she's shown in the past though to hear only part of Claire's conversation and just randomly go "Oh, she's getting her ears pierced? I'll go get mine done too!" Either not sticking around to hear how nervous Claire was about it, or just not thinking about it if she did.

PHDrillSergeant · « **Reply #29 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 07:23 »

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...

Method of Madness · « **Reply #30 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 07:26 »

Except you weren't. Jeph took it down because he realized it was saying something that he didn't want to say. Also...

Quote from: PHDrillSergeant on 23 Sep 2013, 07:23

As always, no offense is meant.

...that might not matter as much as you want it to.

pwhodges · « **Reply #31 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 07:32 »

Quote from: PHDrillSergeant on 23 Sep 2013, 06:28

In response, my post was removed and I was given a sharp talking-to about how my post was offensive and I needed to can it.

Just for the record, I removed that post only because I was worried it might have caused trouble given the hyper-sensitive state the forum was in at the time (actually it did; the relevant response was removed and not restored); I explained that to you, and did not tell you off, stating publicly that your post was not offensive. I also restored it in full a few hours later, with an explanation.

Quote from: PHDrillSergeant on 23 Sep 2013, 07:23

As always, no offense is meant.

So it seems odd to complain about someone trying to avoid giving offence.

CrowFairy · « **Reply #32 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 08:18 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 23 Sep 2013, 04:56

Where did Emily find time? Didn't Claire start talking about it the day she got them pierced?

Claire's been talking about it on her Twitter for quite some time now. I just looked at hers for the first time the other day, and I saw Tweets about being scared about ear-piercing all the way back to July of this year. There are probably some that are from earlier, but that was as far as I felt like going.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #33 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 09:04 »

Quote from: Jeph

And that is absolutely not the kind of joke I ever want to make!

I take Jeph at his word that he acted based on what he wanted. Supporting evidence is that he didn't make changes when poly people got offended about Tai being unfulfilled with polyamory, or when he got complaints that Claire's life is not showing the horrors often visited on trans people.

Legere-factus · « **Reply #34 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 09:45 »

Poor Claire, how frustrating! Lets hope Tai doesn't try to comfort her with the 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery' line. That one never calmed me down!

As for Emily, my gut instinct was to be angry at her... a similar thing happened to me with hair dye at school. But she honestly has no idea what she's done. Even if someone tried to explain it to her I'm not sure she'd grasp it. Trying to make parallels with the pea-pun incident might do it, but I was never entirely sure what Emily was reacting to in that run. Did Claire steal her punch line or ruin the experience of eating the peas with a pun she hadn't thought and couldn't reproduce?

Barmymoo · « **Reply #35 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 09:46 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 22 Sep 2013, 23:02

Anyway, honestly, Claire should know better than to expect anyone but Marten (at this point, even Marten, really) to see this as a big deal...? Tai and Faye must be confused as hell right now.

I don't agree - you don't have to be trans for piercings to be a big deal. I was extremely excited and pretty nervous when I got mine done, and I'm cis. It's not an a=b not a=not b situation, and we've seen nothing in the comic which indicates that Claire was nervous or excited simply because she's trans (how does that even work? Does being trans make your ear lobes more sensitive?).

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #36 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 10:12 »

This is someone with an Ativan prescription. Pre-existing anxiety is the best explanation for why it was so difficult for her.

Legere-factus · « **Reply #37 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 10:51 »

Quote from: Barmymoo on 23 Sep 2013, 09:46

Quote from: Near Lurker on 22 Sep 2013, 23:02
Anyway, honestly, Claire should know better than to expect anyone but Marten (at this point, even Marten, really) to see this as a big deal...? Tai and Faye must be confused as hell right now.

I don't agree - you don't have to be trans for piercings to be a big deal. I was extremely excited and pretty nervous when I got mine done, and I'm cis. It's not an a=b not a=not b situation, and we've seen nothing in the comic which indicates that Claire was nervous or excited simply because she's trans (how does that even work? Does being trans make your ear lobes more sensitive?).

I agree with Barmymoo. It can be a big deal for no big complicated reason at all. A lot of girls get their ears pierced at certain stages, for example many as teens at 14/15/16 as a coming of age thing (where I grew up anyway)... maybe one girl in a friendship group will and then others will follow suit. I left it because I couldn't be bothered, so by the time I did get them pierced - about Claires age - it was a big deal. Not because I had a nervous personality, or because I had a big reason not to get it done before like being trans. But just because I'd left it ages and was finally getting it done! I could wear matching earring necklace sets for the first time! People could buy me earrings they thought would suit me!

My friends, and my mum in particular, made a huge deal out of it because they were my friends and were happy for me.
No reason Claires friends wouldn't be just as thrilled for her regardless of their knowledge of her personal circumstances.

PHDrillSergeant · « **Reply #38 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 11:42 »

Quote from: pwhodges on 23 Sep 2013, 07:32

Just for the record...

You're right. And to be fair it's all in the past and I shouldn't have brought it up. I'm sorry. <3

foolsguinea · « **Reply #39 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 12:57 »

I hope Jeph is healthy enough to work on the album.

Barmymoo · « **Reply #40 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 13:56 »

Judging by his Twitter feed, it's all going full steam ahead at present!

Emperor Norton · « **Reply #41 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 16:16 »

Do you think it would be possible to get through a whole WCDT without anyone accusing one of the characters of being terrible in some way?

Neko_Ali · « **Reply #42 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 16:22 »

What, and ruin the forum's perfect record?

cesium133 · « **Reply #43 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 16:27 »

Yeah, well, Marten's terrible because he decided to clock out. Or something like that.

Rghfrgl · « **Reply #44 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 16:40 »

Quote from: Emperor Norton on 23 Sep 2013, 16:16

Do you think it would be possible to get through a whole WCDT without anyone accusing one of the characters of being terrible in some way?

Yes, but a week of strips full of Hanners and nobody else would probably be boring.

~~GarandMarine~~ · « **Reply #45 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 17:18 »

Hmmm. Now if Martin actually had the ability to be smooth, he could probably make Claire blush, and with the right tone of voice a little weak in the knees, but moving in close "Well I was impressed, and the new earrings look great."

But then Martin has the game of someone who's been in a coma since the 1940s.

Zebediah · « **Reply #46 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 18:23 »

Quote from: Rghfrgl on 23 Sep 2013, 16:40

Quote from: Emperor Norton on 23 Sep 2013, 16:16
Do you think it would be possible to get through a whole WCDT without anyone accusing one of the characters of being terrible in some way?

Yes, but a week of strips full of Hanners and nobody else would probably be boring.

Wouldn't have to be just Hannelore. Mieville could be in there too.

CrowFairy · « **Reply #47 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 18:38 »

Quote from: Emperor Norton on 23 Sep 2013, 16:16

Do you think it would be possible to get through a whole WCDT without anyone accusing one of the characters of being terrible in some way?

If you're referring to my post about Emily being insensitive, then I apologize.

It honestly rubbed me the wrong way because it was very clearly a sensitive subject for Claire. It bothers me when people take things that are important to others and completely ignore their significance.

She doesn't pay as much attention as she should. That doesn't mean she's a terrible person. As Akima said, she just needs to step out of her "me-bubble." I really don't mean anything against Emily. Even Tai told Claire that she'd done a good job. Emily jumped straight to "we" as soon as she saw Claire's. She didn't give Claire a "me" moment in her conversation with her, even though she started off with her own "me" moment. I have no doubt that Emily would gasp and apologize and feel bad if she were told politely about jumping ahead without thinking about Claire's personal experience.

But if she were told right away, then it wouldn't create drama, and then it wouldn't be as interesting from a comic standpoint, so Claire probably won't say anything until after she's brooded for a bit and accidentally made Emily wonder what she did wrong.

If you weren't referring to me, then I'm sorry for jumping the gun. But I do think my point stands, regardless.

Perfectly Reasonable · « **Reply #48 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 18:43 »

WE CAN BE BITTER EARRING ENEMIES FOREVER!

bhtooefr · « **Reply #49 on:** 23 Sep 2013, 20:11 »

Oh, hey guys, there's a co...

Damnit, I just died of diabeetus. And I would've died of groaning too hard at Claire if I hadn't.

THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)

Poll

So, who will notice Claire's new piercing next?

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