Topic: Make me like hip-hop music. (Read 68476 times)

KharBevNor · « **on:** 11 Apr 2008, 15:18 »

So, I think all hip-hop is shit. I have in the past taken many recommendations from people for hip-hop I might like, and it has all ended in failure. But I do not know why! I like electronic music! I have no objections to samples or people just talking over music! I cannot really understand my antipathy to this whole genre, and I do not like to think it is because of racisms.

Hip-hop artists I can remember that I have listened to and found severely lacking include Public Enemy, Cypress Hill, NWA and lots of others I can't remember.

I want you guys to convince me otherwise. Get me into rap. Even if you fail, my reviews of the things you make me listen to should be pretty hilarious/insulting/borderline racist (delete as appropriate).

I like dub. King Tubby, Scientist, Keith Hudson. I also have been known to like some grime. Dizzee Rascal and JME have both made the odd song that tickles my fancy. More off-topic, I am also a big fan of EBM, some acid house, etc.

StaedlerMars · « **Reply #1 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 15:28 »

Have you tried the beastie boys? The things before the Right to Party song (I forgot the title)

Thrillho · « **Reply #2 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 15:36 »

Before it??? That's on their first album...

Khar, for Beastie Boys, I suggest you get the albums Check Your Head, Ill Communication and Hello Nasty. These are the albums where they spent most of thei time working on live instrumentation to rap over and experimenting, there's plenty of kooky jams (IC has this weird string section interlude at one point, it's quite bizarre, especially considering the context) and even a couple of hardcore tracks scattered around there somewhere.

Presumably you've already been recommended Eminem? Tell me yes or no because I want to recommend you some of his based from that.

Remind me, are you British? Because if you're British, then I can't recommend Council Estate Of Mind by Skinnyman any higher. Also, again mostly if you're British but you have better chance of getting this album even if you're not, is Who Needs Actions When You've Got Words? by Plan B. And if you're turned off by the first track, be sure to let it finish, because his way of doing things will become very clear from the third or fourth verse, I forget which one it is.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #3 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 15:53 »

I forgot to say.

Upload stuff.

Or post links.

Otherwise I will not be fucked.

To put this into perspective: I use DC++. I can't even join most rap hubs.

Also, you can basically assume anything that I might have accidentally overheard on the radio or whatever, I do not like. So, no Eminem.

est · « **Reply #4 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 15:57 »

Warning: do not suggest The Streets.

So anyway, let's try a couple of things. Check out TEPR's album "En Direct de la Cote". It's mostly electronic, but with some rap (mostly French) in it. If you don't mind that then maybe check out some of French rappers' TTC's stuff, especially "3615" and their collaboration with Modeselektor, "Dancing Box".

Basically what I am trying to do here is think of some electronic-like rap, and also check out if you like rap better when you can't understand what they're going on about. To this end, hopefully you can't speak French.

If that goes well (or maybe even if not) maybe check out edIT's latest album, "Certified Air-raid Material." I enjoyed it quite thoroughly, and the music in it isn't the typical kind of "something with a beat that people can rap over" fare.

As an addendum, Z-Trip's album "Shifting Gears" is pretty good.

edit: Ah, ok. Uploading stuff. Hm. I'll see what I can do later.

Thrillho · « **Reply #5 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 15:57 »

Well my plan was about to suggest obscure Eminem anyway, but fuck uploading, I don't care THAT much about spreading the hip-hop love.

ruyi · « **Reply #6 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 16:07 »

I think est will be good at this.

Um. Here is a song where J Dilla samples Dick Hyman? Also here is a song by Slum Village. Not only does it have a nice beat, it even has parts where the words about sex!

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #7 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 16:12 »

do you like Gorrillaz? they do a good job of blending rock, electronic, and hip-hop.

good introduction, i'd wager. (i'll try to upload some later if i get any free time, which may be unlikely)

amok · « **Reply #8 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 16:14 »

Quote from: est on 11 Apr 2008, 15:57

and also check out if you like rap better when you can't understand what they're going on about. To this end, hopefully you can't speak French.

along these lines, I have a great album by Organism 12 which is a German rap group. somehow, I enjoy it more because I have no idea what they're saying, they just sound really pissed off about something. not usually a rap person either.

also, pharoahe monch. (sp?)

suitupletsgo · « **Reply #9 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 16:35 »

hello nasty? are you absolutely insane? AND you left out Paul's Boutique?

please, don't waste your time with Hello Nasty. two good songs tops. Now, Check Your Head or Paul's Boutique are two unbelievably solid records that require your full attention.

as for other suggestions.

Arrested Development
A Tribe Called Quest (obv)
I really enjoyed the new Aesop Rock, personally.
MF Doom - Mm..Food?
although technically trip-hop, Lovage - Songs To Make Love to Your Old Lady By.. is awesome.
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
half spanish music, half hip hop, but all love, Ozomatli - Ozomatli.

seriously though, don't listen to Hello Nasty.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #10 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 16:50 »

I'd recommend some Del Tha Funkee Homosapien. You might also appreciate Aesop Rock, although he's a bit hard to get into.

Also, I think Immortal Technique's ideological bent might make him something you could dig.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #11 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 16:55 »

Consolidated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyS4MERN8Y

The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6CgotCUtMo

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #12 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:01 »

i think i could see Khar being down with Immortal Technique.

he's probably the most metal rapper.

suitupletsgo · « **Reply #13 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:07 »

I second Disposable Heroes of Hiphopcrasy.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #14 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:08 »

MC 900 Foot Jesus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0k-qRDSno

KharBevNor · « **Reply #15 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:09 »

Quote from: ruyi on 11 Apr 2008, 16:07

Um. Here is a song where J Dilla samples Dick Hyman? Also here is a song by Slum Village. Not only does it have a nice beat, it even has parts where the words about sex!

I found both these tracks incredibly boring. Who is Dick Hyman?

Onto the next lot.

rynne · « **Reply #16 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:21 »

El-P: Smithereens

Cannibal Ox: Iron Galaxy

Boom Bip & Doseone: The Birdcatcher's Return

I also approve of the Disposable Heroes and MC 900Ft Jesus songs posted earlier.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #17 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:24 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 11 Apr 2008, 16:55

Consolidated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyS4MERN8Y

The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6CgotCUtMo

This was a lot more like it. The first track reminded me a bit of those Fear Factory songs that got remixed by rappers. Still pretty boring though, but closer to the mark by far. The second one was alright as well, but, well...man, it just felt like reading a left wing blog but someone had stuck a limp beat behind it. Some of the lines in it genuinely elicited a smile from me ("they think apartheid is a new type of headache cure") and the sampling stuff at the beginning and end was kind of alright. I did not skip ahead in these tracks at all, which I will admit I did past the two minute mark in the last two. I cannot see myself listening to these tracks for fun, but I would not object if they were played in a club. The lyrical themes were closer to the mark. I am probably not going to be that into stuff about sex and guns (I think that's what at least the second one in the first lot was about).

To the next lot.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #18 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:34 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 11 Apr 2008, 17:08

MC 900 Foot Jesus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0k-qRDSno

More like this! I liked this track! The synth/turntable/whatever interludes provided some much needed interest that kept the whole thing pushing along that the other tracks lacked. The lyrics and music actually seemed appropriate for each other. There was a dubby kind of vibe and the beats were much more to my liking. I actually enjoyed this track!

rynne · « **Reply #19 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:39 »

If you lilke dubbier stuff, maybe Dr. Octagon’s Blue Flowers.

(As far as lyrics go, keep in mind this is from a concept album about a sex-crazed alien doctor. Also, that Kool Keith is probably completely nuts.)

Carlyism · « **Reply #20 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:40 »

What really got me into rap lately was Murs. He did some work with 9th Wonder (producers) that I personally really love. He was an independent artist so his songs do not sound over-produced (he is now signed to Warner Bros).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlENsFnogLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5152RXoQIH0

Check out MF DOOM if you haven't already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcDa38nlYSQ

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #21 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:45 »

I thought you'd call me out for cheating with Consolidated since they really were basically an industrial band with rapping. Their extremely left-wing political stance could get a bit annoying (I really, really hate the song "You Suck", but that's more the Yeastie Girls' fault and the fact that every fucking goth-industrial night ever used to play it every fucking week when it came out).

What was very interesting about the band is that during concerts, they would pass out microphones to let audience members debate or otherwise talk about the subjects they addressed in their songs, which Skinny Puppy never did, even if they were the better of the two bands, and you had to pay close attention to notice that all their fucking songs were about animal rights.

StaedlerMars · « **Reply #22 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:48 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid on 11 Apr 2008, 15:36

Before it??? That's on their first album...

They came out with three solid EPs before that album. They were a lot harder.

My point is, Fight for Your Right was their song that solidified their style, but it was ironically made to make fun of that specific style of music. In a way, because it got so popular, they 'sold out'. The notes on Sounds of Silence actually claim they think the song sucks. But yeah, you're right, there isn't that much hip hop before it.

Beastie Boys -
Sabotage
No Sleep Till Brooklyn

EDIT: here's some J5 In The Flesh

Glukoza - Shvanie

tommydski · « **Reply #23 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:52 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 11 Apr 2008, 17:45

I thought you'd call me out for cheating with Consolidated since they really were basically an industrial band with rapping. Their extremely left-wing political stance could get a bit annoying.

It's not the band I hate, it's their faaaaaans.

Admiral Sanu · « **Reply #24 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:54 »

Try some stuff of El-Ps album I'll Sleep When You're Dead. It's pretty awesome.

rynne · « **Reply #25 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:57 »

Ugh, yeah, Consolidated was too preachy by half for me. Their fans' complaints that their t-shirts weren't as cheap as Fugazi's was pretty funny, though.

Joseph · « **Reply #26 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 17:57 »

Maybe some Massive Attack would do something? It's hip-hop (tend to fall under trip-hop), and a large portion of there songs don't involve rapping at all, but a number do. Elizabeth Fraser from the Cocteau Twins sang on a few of their tracks. Mad Professor, who's heavily involved with dub, has collaborated with them as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp40_EC6IhY (Music doesn't start until around a minute into the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1cACrPHdc

Cadence Weapon - Black Hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nevf1PjtyVQ

SensoryOssuary · « **Reply #27 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:14 »

Dälek
Food For Animals
Immortal Technique
DJ Shadow
13 & God

KharBevNor · « **Reply #28 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:20 »

Oh yeah, I probably should have said that I already like Massive Attack and Portishead.

Would you really call them hip-hop?

I have noticed so far everyone I have liked seems to be white? This is bad! Next lot!

rynne · « **Reply #29 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:25 »

Holy shit, yeah. I can't believe I forgot Dalek. Ever Somber. That song is kinda odd in that it sounds like he's rapping over My Bloody Valentine; the rest of that album, Absence, sounds like he's rapping over Merzbow. Noisy as shit, it is.

Also, none of them are white, if that's good to know.

Joseph · « **Reply #30 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:29 »

I wouldn't call Massive Attack hip-hop, I just thought they might be a decent stepping stone. And isn't only one of them white? And Dizzee Rascal definitely isn't white.

Did you listen to the Cadence Weapon track?

Maybe try Old Dirty Bastard, just because he's pretty distinctive from most other rap out there, so it's possible it might appeal.

Shimmy Shimmy Ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgPZlxbsUc

KharBevNor · « **Reply #31 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:46 »

Quote from: rynne on 11 Apr 2008, 17:21

El-P: Smithereens

Cannibal Ox: Iron Galaxy

Boom Bip & Doseone: The Birdcatcher's Return

First song seemed like it might be good right at the start but it never engaged me at all. The guy going 'crying' in the background seemed to overpower everything as well. Second one, I was totally meh on, well, not totallly, a nice intro, but then just the same boring drag it's been with some of the other songs here. The last one I didn't like at all. I couldn't understand a word, and it sounded like an intro that went into an interlude that went into an outro. Didn't really seem like a song. I kept waiting for it to kick in, but it didn't. Next.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #32 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:52 »

Quote from: rynne on 11 Apr 2008, 17:39

If you lilke dubbier stuff, maybe Dr. Octagon’s Blue Flowers.

This was interesting, liked the samples, but again it didn't really feel it was going anywhere. The turntable stuff at the end was kind of cool, but again, can't ever really imagine sitting down and choosing to listen to this for pleasure.

NEEEEEXT.

amok · « **Reply #33 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:55 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 11 Apr 2008, 18:20

Oh yeah, I probably should have said that I already like Massive Attack and Portishead.

Would you really call them hip-hop?

Trip-Hop.

Also, if you like Massive Attack, check out Tricky's solo material.

Sorry for the lack of uploads Khar I am drunk and lazy. Harass me via private message tomorrow and I will get on that shit.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #34 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:55 »

Quote from: Dark Flame on 11 Apr 2008, 18:29

And Dizzee Rascal definitely isn't white.

I'm also pretty sure he's not hip-hop, from how I understand things.

Joseph · « **Reply #35 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 18:59 »

Well, I dunno. I'd be tempted to label grime a sub-genre myself.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #36 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:00 »

Quote from: Carlyism on 11 Apr 2008, 17:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlENsFnogLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5152RXoQIH0

Check out MF DOOM if you haven't already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcDa38nlYSQ

I found all these tracks terribly boring. I will need to recover with some Judas Priest or something so I am awake enough for the next lot.

valley_parade · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:09 »

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L6qgBnPUnjU

RJD2 - "1976"

SensoryOssuary · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:16 »

Shit, I didn't read your follow-up post. Here are some MySpace links:

Dälek http://www.myspace.com/dalek
Food For Animals http://www.myspace.com/thefoodforanimals
Immortal Technique http://www.myspace.com/immortaltechnique
DJ Shadow http://www.myspace.com/djshadow
13 & God http://www.myspace.com/13andgod

mfpole · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:19 »

My attempt:
Mf Doom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfl7lhJuTis

Quasimoto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjwwrpYGUk

RJD2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nSMOmKuNgD8

Nas
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mYZ_RD--Lpg

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:25 »

Blackalicious!

Code: [Select]

http://www.mediaf!re.com/?0a03bzvjmcv
you'll have to replace the "!" in mediafire with an "i"

KharBevNor · « **Reply #41 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:33 »

Quote from: StaedlerMars on 11 Apr 2008, 17:48

Beastie Boys -
Sabotage
No Sleep Till Brooklyn

EDIT: here's some J5 In The Flesh

Glukoza - Shvanie

Okay, the Beastie Boys tracks just sounded like Rage Against the Machine B-Sides to me, and I don't really like rage against the machine. The J5 one sounded completely generic. The Glukoza track, on the other hand, was pretty cool. It weirdly reminded me of Gogol Bordello, and the video wasn't bad, if a bit obvious. I might like it more if I could understand the lyrics...but then again maybe I would like it less.

Inlander · « **Reply #42 on:** 11 Apr 2008, 19:43 »

I really don't know anything very much at all about hip-hop, but the more I listen to it, the more I become convinced that French is really the form's natural language (bearing in mind that I can't speak French). To my ear there's something about the combination of the more mellifluous rhythms of French with the hard beats of hip-hop that just works. I'd highly recommend getting the soundtrack to the seminal film La Haine. Sure, it's getting a bit long in the tooth, but both the film and the soundtrack album are still absolute classics.

BrittanyMarie · « **Reply #43 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 00:27 »

Harry, you are this forum's Cornelius.

You might like P.O.S. He is a rapper from Minneapolis who is in the Doomtree collective, and I think you'll like his anger. He also has a punk band called Building Better Bombs. My favorite song from his sophomore album Audition is Bush League Psyche-Out Stuff but I can't find it. Thus, listen to P.O.S. is Ruining My Life- just remember the singing stuff is sampled or stolen or something.

Another one I don't think is boring is Mr Lif. If you like any of his songs, Red October would be the most likely, I think. Or maybe Return of the B-Boy.

nufan · « **Reply #44 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 03:00 »

Organized Konfusion - Stress.
Awesome bass line + horns + great lines = best single hip-hop track I know of.

Someone said Arrested Development, and I completely agree:
Arrested Development - Mr. Wendal

More Beastie Boys:
Shake Yur RUMP-AH!

Misereatur · « **Reply #45 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 03:27 »

Quote from: SensoryOssuary on 11 Apr 2008, 19:16

Dälek http://www.myspace.com/dalek

Definitely Dälek.

Thrillho · « **Reply #46 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 03:57 »

Quote from: suitupletsgo on 11 Apr 2008, 16:35

hello nasty? are you absolutely insane? AND you left out Paul's Boutique?

please, don't waste your time with Hello Nasty. two good songs tops. Now, Check Your Head or Paul's Boutique are two unbelievably solid records that require your full attention.

I think you were missing the point of my recommendation, which was to ease the transition into it, and there's a lot of electronica type stuff on Helly Nasty which fitted what Khar was saying he liked. Quite apart from which 'OMGTWOGDSONGZ' is just your opinion, not a solid fact.

Broken_Drum · « **Reply #47 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 06:09 »

Saul Williams maybe?

suitupletsgo · « **Reply #48 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 06:19 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid on 12 Apr 2008, 03:57

Quote from: suitupletsgo on 11 Apr 2008, 16:35
hello nasty? are you absolutely insane? AND you left out Paul's Boutique?

please, don't waste your time with Hello Nasty. two good songs tops. Now, Check Your Head or Paul's Boutique are two unbelievably solid records that require your full attention.

I think you were missing the point of my recommendation, which was to ease the transition into it, and there's a lot of electronica type stuff on Helly Nasty which fitted what Khar was saying he liked. Quite apart from which 'OMGTWOGDSONGZ' is just your opinion, not a solid fact.

you're the only person I've ever seen recommend it in my entire life.

StaedlerMars · « **Reply #49 on:** 12 Apr 2008, 08:32 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 11 Apr 2008, 19:33

Okay, the Beastie Boys tracks just sounded like Rage Against the Machine B-Sides to me, and I don't really like rage against the machine. The J5 one sounded completely generic. The Glukoza track, on the other hand, was pretty cool. It weirdly reminded me of Gogol Bordello, and the video wasn't bad, if a bit obvious. I might like it more if I could understand the lyrics...but then again maybe I would like it less.

That's about how I feel about the Glukoza track. I have their album lyring around somewhere. Maybe I'll upload it to the thread that cannot be named.

I would recommend some french rap, but I wouldn't know what to show.

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