Topic: WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20) (Read 283952 times)

jwhouk · « **Reply #850 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 14:40 »

All right, kids, back on topic:

Let's see, last we checked, there are only two people in NoHo that know Veronica's back in town: Marten and Tai.

We have no reason to believe that Faye knows that mom's back in town (or she wouldn't have gone DefCon Level 3 upside his head); ergo, we'd have to assume Dora has no clue that Mom's back.

There are a couple of other significant players in the cast who have never met Veronica, whose reaction might be verrrryyy interesting (other than, of course, Hannelore):

Sven - he might have seen those photos his dad had (!)
Angus - no idea what his reaction might be, which could be fun!
Penelope - Wouldn't it be hilarious if she not only knew who she was, but she knew her on a first-name basis? (nahhhhh....)
Steve - he probably knows who mom is from what Marty's told him, but AFAWK, he hasn't actually met her.
Cosette - She might be completely freaked out by her - which could be hilarious if Hannelore isn't freaked out after finding out who VV is.

Somnus Eternus · « **Reply #851 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 14:45 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 17 Dec 2010, 14:40

All right, kids, back on topic:

Let's see, last we checked, there are only two people in NoHo that know Veronica's back in town: Marten and Tai.

We have no reason to believe that Faye knows that mom's back in town (or she wouldn't have gone DefCon Level 3 upside his head); ergo, we'd have to assume Dora has no clue that Mom's back.

There are a couple of other significant players in the cast who have never met Veronica, whose reaction might be verrrryyy interesting (other than, of course, Hannelore):
Sven - he might have seen those photos his dad had (!)
Angus - no idea what his reaction might be, which could be fun!
Penelope - Wouldn't it be hilarious if she not only knew who she was, but she knew her on a first-name basis? (nahhhhh....)
Steve - he probably knows who mom is from what Marty's told him, but AFAWK, he hasn't actually met her.
Cosette - She might be completely freaked out by her - which could be hilarious if Hannelore isn't freaked out after finding out who VV is.

I would love - LOVE - if Hannelore discovers VV is Marten's mom and is just like, "Oh yeah, no, I knew that. How are you, Ms. Vance?" I don't even think I'd be all that shocked, what with her taking his genetic information and even from the get-go knowing an awful lot about Marten and Faye just because she took an interest. Background check? Piece of cake.

pwhodges · « **Reply #852 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 14:52 »

Quote from: TRVA123 on 17 Dec 2010, 13:57

Put another way, we have different inhibitions depending on a situations context, right?

Quite so - and note that I modified my previous reply almost immediately, but apparently after you quoted me, because I realised I had somewhat misread your post in a rush. Sorry.

pwhodges · « **Reply #853 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 14:59 »

Quote from: daryljfontaine on 17 Dec 2010, 13:59

Creative editing for prurient interests 101.

Cut it.

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #854 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 15:07 »

To who called Ms. Reed a porn star; she wasn't a porn star, she was (is?) a fetish model/professional dominatrix. Professional doms don't (usually) actually have sex with their clients. She says here that she was never fully nude in her photos.

Also, someone pointed out that even though you'd expect someone in the porn industry to look better, she probably does...when she's working. We're seeing her as a normal person, not Veronica Vance (can't remember who first made this point; sorry)

And to the person who tried to estimate Marten's age by using 1998 as his prom year, not bad assuming Marten was fresh out of college when the comic started, but I didn't get the impression that he was. Marten always talked about his old job like he'd been at it for quite awhile; I'd say at least a year. Then again it could have just seemed longer to him since he hated it so much. hmm....

The only real reason Ms. Reed looked better the last time she was in town was because Jeph didn't have the drawing ability to make her look properly aged. If you look closely at her face in this comic, you can actually see attempts at age lines (not terrible attempts, they just aren't noticeable enough. Please don't kill me, Jeph!).

pwhodges · « **Reply #855 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 15:09 »

Also, the fact that her hair covers her forehead this time makes a marked different to her look.

PureLionHeart · « **Reply #856 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 15:20 »

Dammit Marten, you have no ambition.

This is the point where you name someone else for her to kill to cheer you up. The possibilities are endless!

Akima · « **Reply #857 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 15:23 »

Quote from: tbones on 17 Dec 2010, 05:48

Still Marten's mom was thinking of an amateur job, do it, and give herself in, so no one would suspect on Marten.... If she was a pro, she would do it so no one ever discovered the real victimary. "The perfect crime is not the one that goes unsolved, but the one that is solved with the wrong culprit."

The perfect crime, surely, is one that is not even recognised as a crime...

Quote from: jwhouk on 17 Dec 2010, 06:40

I'm afraid to ask how you know that phrase...

Wet job/work? I thought it was pretty widely known from espionage/thriller fiction, but I threw in the Wiki link just in case. I'm really not a deep-cover agent of Guoanbu...

Mr_Rose · « **Reply #858 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 15:37 »

Quote from: pwhodges on 17 Dec 2010, 07:41

Quote from: Odin on 17 Dec 2010, 07:31
Not everyone has watched, well, any of the hundreds of spy movies ever made, you know.

Astounding fact of the day:- not all spy movies contain that phrase!

Since we are apparently back on this topic; I'm really not totally sure where I know that from....I was never really into proper spy thrillers; just James Bond and the like, first for the gadgets and later for the girls of course...it's just that it always sorta seemed to make sense, y'know, since I was like eight or something. Dunno what's up with that.

O8h7w · « **Reply #859 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 15:48 »

I'm pretty sure I've heard that phrase in a Bond movie... but I have to think for a moment every time I see it - that's not very often, clearly.

jwhouk · « **Reply #860 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 17:14 »

I've watched pretty much every Bond movie (okay, maybe not one or two of the early ones) and don't recall that term being used in them.

Rusty · « **Reply #861 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 19:06 »

Quote from: iduguphergrave on 17 Dec 2010, 15:07

And to the person who tried to estimate Marten's age by using 1998 as his prom year, not bad assuming Marten was fresh out of college when the comic started, but I didn't get the impression that he was. Marten always talked about his old job like he'd been at it for quite awhile; I'd say at least a year. Then again it could have just seemed longer to him since he hated it so much. hmm....

Maten came to the right coast soon after grad'ing to be with milky. figure in that time, he had to grab the first job- mr. office bitch, which he hates, and makes him bummed. throw in the depression of being dumped, meeting steve during that drunken fiasco at the bar, let stew for 6 months at -12*(hey, its the northeast), and BAM! comic #1

tHEfOOL · « **Reply #862 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 19:10 »

Warning - while you were reading 21 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

lol that's what i get for leaving for an hour

Nodaisho · « **Reply #863 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 20:11 »

Quote from: StevenC on 17 Dec 2010, 14:20

You must feel like a broken record, having to repeat this that often.

He raised kids, he's used to it.

maddness · « **Reply #864 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 20:27 »

Also, you don't have to be insanely hot or nubile to be a dominatrix. The clients are more interested in how good a dominant she is.

Odin · « **Reply #865 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 20:28 »

Quote from: maddness on 17 Dec 2010, 20:27

Also, you don't have to be insanely hot or nubile to be a dominatrix. The clients are more interested in how good a dominant she is.

Plus it'd be easy to hide that face from clients with a leather face mask (and they'd probably be more concerned with the gag in their mouth).

JackFaerie · « **Reply #866 on:** 17 Dec 2010, 23:45 »

PLUS not all clients need a fresh-faced 20-something as their dom. She's a dominatrix! An authoritarian authority figure! It may well work to her advantage. Plus she's not bad looking, just, you know, aged. (Even if the cheek-lines do make her face look oddly puffy.)

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #867 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 00:53 »

Quote from: iduguphergrave on 17 Dec 2010, 15:07

To who called Ms. Reed a porn star; she wasn't a porn star, she was (is?) a fetish model/professional dominatrix. Professional doms don't (usually) actually have sex with their clients. She says here that she was never fully nude in her photos.

Fetish modeling is interlaced with the stereotype of pornography for all intents and purposes for those uninitiated. Many fetish models have done porn or do porn as well....Dita Von Teese has done some porn videos along with her fetish modeling (Playboy and Marquis if memory serves me right).

Irenfrea · « **Reply #868 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 01:38 »

Well I remember Veronica having wrinkles back in the 450s, except that Jeph used different drawing techniques back then, and he coloured them as a darker-skin colour. He used black now, so they are more visible. Probably he wanted more emphasys on them as his drawing techniques advanced.

I'm looking forward for a Veronica-Dora meeting. Dora all wielding the counter-hidden sword and Veronica cracking a whip

akronnick · « **Reply #869 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 02:12 »

Dora would melt.

Remember when she was cowering in her apartment waiting for Faye after she made a move on Marten?

As soon as she finds out Martymom's in town, she'll lose not only muscle control, but the ability to speak or form coherent thoughts.

You may not want to be standing near her when that happens.

dsvella · « **Reply #870 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 02:17 »

Quote from: JackFaerie on 17 Dec 2010, 23:45

PLUS not all clients need a fresh-faced 20-something as their dom. She's a dominatrix! An authoritarian authority figure! It may well work to her advantage. Plus she's not bad looking, just, you know, aged. (Even if the cheek-lines do make her face look oddly puffy.)

Thank you. I have been thinking that her face looked wrong for a while now but couldn't put my finger on it. Now i know, She does look puffy for some reason. Back in the 450's she seemed to me to have a very tight face to me.

Just my 2

Carl-E · « **Reply #871 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 02:18 »

Quote from: Akima on 17 Dec 2010, 15:23

I'm really not a deep-cover agent of Guoanbu...

You do realize that by making that statement, you've provided concrete proof of the fact?

Because no one else mentioned the Guoanbu...

And really, the only reason to profess innocence of something is if you're feeling guilty!

Disclaimer: Yes, I know it's a specious argument, the only reason I use it is that it's exactly the type of argument used by the military police of an authoritarian state...

and it's 4 AM, so I can't think of anything more clever yet.

jwhouk · « **Reply #872 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 02:42 »

The Moment Of The Week (Yeah, we're doing it again):

Caring Hannelore cares!    - 8 (9.1%)
"You're a terrible influence, alcohol-induced hallucination."    - 17 (19.3%)
Where's Faye's Bra?    - 4 (4.5%)
Some kind of creepy trophy...    - 0 (0%)
Sheer Intensity of Makeouts?    - 2 (2.3%)
Quantum Tunnelling effect    - 6 (6.8%)
Please tell me you did not drink that entire bottle    - 0 (0%)
That was a terrible idea.    - 3 (3.4%)
At least ONE of us isn't gonna remember this in the morning.    - 11 (12.5%)
Did I say anything stupid last night? No, you were fine.    - 4 (4.5%)
OWLS. Owls? OWLS.    - 25 (28.4%)
So, do you want me to kill Dora for you?    - 6 (6.8%)
Love you too, mom.    - 2 (2.3%)

Total Voters: 88

Near Lurker · « **Reply #873 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 07:56 »

Oh, and I can't help but think of this.

Somnus Eternus · « **Reply #874 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 08:27 »

Quote from: Near Lurker on 18 Dec 2010, 07:56

Oh, and I can't help but think of this.

That. Is. Fantastic.

jwhouk · « **Reply #875 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 11:55 »

The eyes got me thinking - and part of me is really hoping this DOESN'T happen, but it would completely and totally shut down any shipping in this forum:

Marty and Mom are sitting there talking when Hannelore stops in to the apartment. And, she promptly says four words that would have everyone in this forum speechless:

"Oh, hi Aunt Ronnie."

Skewbrow · « **Reply #876 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 12:47 »

Quote from: akronnick on 18 Dec 2010, 02:12

Dora would melt.

Remember when she was cowering in her apartment waiting for Faye after she made a move on Marten?

As soon as she finds out Martymom's in town, she'll lose not only muscle control, but the ability to speak or form coherent thoughts.

You may not want to be standing near her when that happens.

"It's Cosette's turn to clean up the..."

O8h7w · « **Reply #877 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 14:12 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 18 Dec 2010, 11:55

The eyes got me thinking - and part of me is really hoping this DOESN'T happen, but it would completely and totally shut down any shipping in this forum:

Marty and Mom are sitting there talking when Hannelore stops in to the apartment. And, she promptly says four words that would have everyone in this forum speechless:

"Oh, hi Aunt Ronnie."

I'm almost, but not quite, speechless.

I have one thing to say: I was impressed by a few other impressive theories earlier in this thread, but really, they're nothing compared to this... thank you, jwhouk, for an awesome moment of speechlessness. You have my admiration.

someone1074 · « **Reply #878 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 16:06 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 18 Dec 2010, 11:55

The eyes got me thinking - and part of me is really hoping this DOESN'T happen, but it would completely and totally shut down any shipping in this forum:

Marty and Mom are sitting there talking when Hannelore stops in to the apartment. And, she promptly says four words that would have everyone in this forum speechless:

"Oh, hi Aunt Ronnie."

Eyes? What? Not quite understanding the basis for this one.

Carl-E · « **Reply #879 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 16:43 »

Jwhouk compared Ms. Reed's eyes in the last panel of 1820 with Hanner's eyes in the first panel of 1762.

Personally, I don't see it - Hanner's eyes are green and rounder, Vivian's eyes are Marten's peiercing light blue, and though they're not shaped the same way as Marten's in this strip, Marten's eyes had a very hard night. Compare first panel Marten in 1785 with Ms. Reed's eyes inthe 3rd panel of 1820.

akronnick · « **Reply #880 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 17:06 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 18 Dec 2010, 11:55

The eyes got me thinking - and part of me is really hoping this DOESN'T happen, but it would completely and totally shut down any shipping in this forum:

Marty and Mom are sitting there talking when Hannelore stops in to the apartment. And, she promptly says four words that would have everyone in this forum speechless:

"Oh, hi Aunt Ronnie."

Dude.

People have shipped Sven and Dora and have been totally serious about it.

Do you seriously think it will dis-courage them when they find out that Marten and Hannelore are cousins?!?!?

That will just add fuel to the fire!

jwhouk · « **Reply #881 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 17:11 »

But that's just it. You'd think Marten would have known about it by now if Hanners was his cousin. (Ellicott and Chatham aren't exactly common names, you know.)

iduguphergrave · « **Reply #882 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 17:18 »

I have my doubts about this particular theory, but I wouldn't be wholly surprised if it turned out Marty and Hannelore were related somehow. Marten often acts as a big-brother figure to Hanners, and she's always got his back too. They have a very sweet platonic relationship.

AnAverageWriter · « **Reply #883 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 17:43 »

Quote from: akronnick on 18 Dec 2010, 17:06

People have shipped Sven and Dora and have been totally serious about it.

Is that one of the things that made Jeph go a bit crazy and rename the comic part of the forum to "fffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?"

People will ship anyone, no matter how shudder-inducing.

someone1074 · « **Reply #884 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 18:07 »

Oh, the point was to be off-the-wall. Got you.

Sometimes you just can't tell on these forums, you know.

jwhouk · « **Reply #885 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 19:01 »

It could very easily be that Veronica is related to Hannerdad, either as a half-sibling or something. Hannerdad might have remarried Veronica's sister or something.

ducktape · « **Reply #886 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 20:26 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 18 Dec 2010, 16:43

Jwhouk compared Ms. Reed's eyes in the last panel of 1820 with Hanner's eyes in the first panel of 1762.
Personally, I don't see it - Hanner's eyes are green and rounder, Vivian's eyes are Marten's peiercing light blue, and though they're not shaped the same way as Marten's in this strip, Marten's eyes had a very hard night. Compare first panel Marten in 1785 with Ms. Reed's eyes inthe 3rd panel of 1820.

Plenty of times cousins don't look much alike. Or it could be a related-by-marriage (NO not their own, get your minds out of the gutter) situation, or a half-relation situation like jwhouk suggested.

bicostp · « **Reply #887 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 21:27 »

Two characters have bags under their eyes therefore THEY MUST BE RELATED!

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #888 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 21:29 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 18 Dec 2010, 11:55

The eyes got me thinking - and part of me is really hoping this DOESN'T happen, but it would completely and totally shut down any shipping in this forum:

Marty and Mom are sitting there talking when Hannelore stops in to the apartment. And, she promptly says four words that would have everyone in this forum speechless:

"Oh, hi Aunt Ronnie."

Sadly by posting it... it will never come to be. Rule 29.3 section 12, paragraph 91, line seven of Weekly Comic Discussion: "If you post it, Jeph won't do it."

LeeC · « **Reply #889 on:** 18 Dec 2010, 21:40 »

so the fact that hanners rarley sleeps does come into consideration about the bags under her eyes? seriously come on.

pwhodges · « **Reply #890 on:** 19 Dec 2010, 04:06 »

It made a good off-the-cuff joke, but it doesn't deserve a lot more consideration, it seems to me.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #891 on:** 19 Dec 2010, 05:13 »

Quote from: Andy147 on 19 Dec 2010, 03:49

So let me get this straight: Hannah knows Mrs Reed is her aunt, and knows her well enough to recognise her, but had somehow never met her cousin Marten before it turned out they lived in the same building? And Mrs Reed had never thought to tell him about his cousin?

Well, I guess we had the speculation about whether she was Dora's mother back in 436...

Actually if Hanners calls her "Aunt Ronnie" or "Aunt Vance" she may not connect her with "Mrs. Reed."

Fun bit of speculation but sadly the Rules have been invoked, it'll never happen.

Rusty · « **Reply #892 on:** 19 Dec 2010, 07:51 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 19 Dec 2010, 05:13

Quote from: Andy147 on 19 Dec 2010, 03:49

So let me get this straight: Hannah knows Mrs Reed is her aunt, and knows her well enough to recognise her, but had somehow never met her cousin Marten before it turned out they lived in the same building? And Mrs Reed had never thought to tell him about his cousin?

Well, I guess we had the speculation about whether she was Dora's mother back in 436...

Actually if Hanners calls her "Aunt Ronnie" or "Aunt Vance" she may not connect her with "Mrs. Reed."

Fun bit of speculation but sadly the Rules have been invoked, it'll never happen.

why aunt vance?

did hanners dad/mom hire her?

.....oh jesus. "Its ok honey, shes helping me clean up the bodyparts hard to get!"

akronnick · « **Reply #893 on:** 19 Dec 2010, 13:40 »

Quote from: Rusty on 19 Dec 2010, 07:51

why aunt vance?

did hanners dad/mom hire her?

.....oh jesus. "Its ok honey, shes helping me clean up the bodyparts hard to get!"

You see what happened jwhouk?!

This is why we can't have nice things!!!

jwhouk · « **Reply #894 on:** 19 Dec 2010, 15:59 »

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Still - it'd be hilarious if Hannelore already knew Veronica from somewhere else. Like, say, she was dad's girlfriend at one point.

Of course, I'm bracing for the patented "Catatonic Hannelore Horror Stare" when she finds out who Marten's mom is.

Wiregeek · « **Reply #895 on:** 19 Dec 2010, 23:02 »

I finally figured out what's bothering me about Fridays strip... Martens mom looks old... Which really is the only complaint I've ever had about the new art, so all in all I'm happy.

Also, holy crap this iPhone is horrid

The Duke · « **Reply #896 on:** 20 Dec 2010, 09:53 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 18 Dec 2010, 21:29

Sadly by posting it... it will never come to be. Rule 29.3 section 12, paragraph 91, line seven of Weekly Comic Discussion: "If you post it, Jeph won't do it."

I don't think that's true, judging by all the "called it" posts I've seen in my time here. More accurate would be "nothing you post, however awesome it would be, will cause Jeph to change what he has planned."

tomart · « **Reply #897 on:** 20 Dec 2010, 17:23 »

Quote from: The Duke on 20 Dec 2010, 09:53

"nothing you post, however awesome it would be, will cause Jeph to change what he has planned."

and that's probably best for all concerned.

I think some were missing the earlier point about her looking old COMPARED TO HER FIRST APPEARANCE.

Yes, there can be lots of justifications for her looking her age, etc, etc, but I was disappointed that she didn't look nearly as good as that first visit, and it was only 2 or so years ago...(?)

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