Topic: WCDT 2887-2891 (2-6 February 2015) (Read 157527 times)

Kugai · « **Reply #150 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 15:19 »

Quote from: BenRG on 03 Feb 2015, 04:19

That makes her sound sort of like a QC version of Sylia Stingray. (The 2032 version. I watched I think a grand total of two episodes of 2040 before bailing.)

More fool you then

Aziraphale · « **Reply #151 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 16:41 »

Quote from: WareWolf on 03 Feb 2015, 12:55

Quote from: Jays on 03 Feb 2015, 05:23

I know many people love Hanners and hate Faye, and it's really coming across strong here. And I don't see why.

Because Hanners is innocent, naive and somewhat childlike.

Understand, I'm not in the "hate Faye" contingent. I totally get where she is. She's so miserable she's snapping at HANNELORE, and that's got to be pretty danged miserable.

I don't hate Faye either, but she really does need to be careful. Hanners gives as good as she gets...

DSL · « **Reply #152 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 16:54 »

Quote from: cesium133 on 03 Feb 2015, 11:48

IIRC, that xkcd strip was after DSL got his avatar.

I think RM and I were operating independently of one another. My previous head-cannon avatar was a riff on a Pintsize quote.

CaptainFish · « **Reply #153 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 17:44 »

Yeah, I gotta chime in that I don't see this as Faye being mean or bitchy. I think the 3rd panel line is a straightforward, firm way to be clear how she feels about the situation to avoid getting to the point where mean words are exchanged.

Maybe that has failed and she will go too far in the next comic, but for now I can't really fault her for feeling shitty and speaking in short sentences.

~~Schmorgluck~~ · « **Reply #154 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 18:07 »

I understand that Hannelore is naive, but it doesn't mean that Faye isn't allowed to put her foot down against shitty behavior.

Hanners got things to learn too.

TRVA123 · « **Reply #155 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 18:13 »

I do think this is hard for Hanners. She has obviously spent a lot of time trying to build a stable life for herself, taking carefully calculated risks to expand what she can handle. People in her life experiencing crises, like breakups or hospital visits, are outside the realm of things she can consciously prepare herself to adapt to.

However, part of her learning and growing process is to learn that some things can't be idealistically pieced back together, and sometimes friends are short with you when you are helping them in times of trouble. Hanners needs to realize that Faye is not angry with her, but angry with the situation she is in.

ASB84 · « **Reply #156 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 18:26 »

Joss Whedon once said that if he wanted to make the audience cry, he'd have Alyson Hannigan cry. In Hannelore, Jeph has a similar means of breaking hearts.

I don't think Faye's being actively mean here, it's more about Hanners being averse to change, and more than a bit naive (which is true to her character). Hanners getting this upset is unfortunate, and perhaps Faye could've put it more gently, but she's understandably not feeling too good herself and as TRVA said, it's a difficult lesson than Hanners needs to learn. Things can't get resolved with a fingersnap, or by asking really nicely.

That said...if we're going to ease up on Faye for being imperfect and human, that same courtesy should extend to Dora. Both are divisive characters and understandably disliked by groups within the fanbase (with some overlap from fans who dislike both characters), but it feels like the goalposts are constantly being moved with Dora, in an effort to blame her for what's happened to Faye, or criticise her handling of the situation.

TheEvilDog · « **Reply #157 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 18:28 »

@TRVA123, I agree, treating Hanners like she's a china doll is not going to do her any good. I can understand where some of the naivety of hers is coming from and why she might hope for a perfect world. A perfect world she wouldn't be as messed up as she is (I've always liked Hanners and yeah, she's made some pretty big strides, but she is still something of a wreck). The problem, as we all know, is there is no such thing as a perfect world. Hanners needs to realise that so she has some sort of a chance to learn to adapt to that. People constantly backpedalling because they're afraid of making her sad....that's going to do more harm than good in the long run.

Rghfrgl · « **Reply #158 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 18:39 »

Quote from: ASB84 on 03 Feb 2015, 18:26

Joss Whedon once said that if he wanted to make the audience cry, he'd have Alyson Hannigan cry.

Joss Whedon is a monster.

TheEvilDog · « **Reply #159 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 18:55 »

The litany of Whedon's literary crimes is long indeed, but this isn't really the place to go into that particular topic.

Omega Entity · « **Reply #160 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 19:09 »

Honestly, I read it as Hanners being upset that Faye would no longer be there at CoD, not at Faye's snapping at her.

Penquin47 · « **Reply #161 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 19:23 »

Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 19:09

Honestly, I read it as Hanners being upset that Faye would no longer be there at CoD, not at Faye's snapping at her.

Agreed. Given Hanners' reaction to Marten going to Secret Bakery after breaking up with Dora, she was going to be extremely upset, and now both Faye and Dora have made it clear that Faye coming back to CoD as an employee is Not Gonna Happen. Faye could have gone completely OOC and wrapped it in chocolate frosting with a cherry on top, Hanners was still going to be devastated by the change in her life.

Omega Entity · « **Reply #162 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 19:34 »

Quote from: Penquin47 on 03 Feb 2015, 19:23

Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 19:09
Honestly, I read it as Hanners being upset that Faye would no longer be there at CoD, not at Faye's snapping at her.

Agreed. Given Hanners' reaction to Marten going to Secret Bakery after breaking up with Dora, she was going to be extremely upset, and now both Faye and Dora have made it clear that Faye coming back to CoD as an employee is Not Gonna Happen. Faye could have gone completely OOC and wrapped it in chocolate frosting with a cherry on top, Hanners was still going to be devastated by the change in her life.

Indeed. And we've seen how Hanners reacts to her friends being dicks, and it isn't teary - it's duck and cover. There's a comic that illustrates this, iirc, I just need to remember what the art style looked like so that I can properly troll the archives for it.

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #163 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 19:38 »

Quote from: ASB84 on 03 Feb 2015, 18:26

Joss Whedon once said that if he wanted to make the audience cry, he'd have Alyson Hannigan cry. In Hannelore, Jeph has a similar means of breaking hearts.

Alyson Hanners-gan

Omega Entity · « **Reply #164 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 20:05 »

Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 19:34

Quote from: Penquin47 on 03 Feb 2015, 19:23
Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 19:09
Honestly, I read it as Hanners being upset that Faye would no longer be there at CoD, not at Faye's snapping at her.

Agreed. Given Hanners' reaction to Marten going to Secret Bakery after breaking up with Dora, she was going to be extremely upset, and now both Faye and Dora have made it clear that Faye coming back to CoD as an employee is Not Gonna Happen. Faye could have gone completely OOC and wrapped it in chocolate frosting with a cherry on top, Hanners was still going to be devastated by the change in her life.

Indeed. And we've seen how Hanners reacts to her friends being dicks, and it isn't teary - it's duck and cover. There's a comic that illustrates this, iirc, I just need to remember what the art style looked like so that I can properly troll the archives for it.

Hot Damn! Found it! That didn't take as long as I thought it would. And it is, indeed, Hanners dealing with Faye being snarky with her:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1108

On a side note, going through pages, it's mentioned A LOT that Faye shouldn't drink so much, by a myriad of characters.

tragic_pizza · « **Reply #165 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 20:11 »

I think I'm on record for not being a Faye fan... but yeah, she isn't being mean to Hanners. She's just talking. Not even venting, really.

OmegaEntity has it right in re Hanner's tears.

I think we all just have a little too much time to overthink these strips sometimes...

Aziraphale · « **Reply #166 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 20:13 »

Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 19:09

Honestly, I read it as Hanners being upset that Faye would no longer be there at CoD, not at Faye's snapping at her.

Yeah, it's not Faye she's upset with. She's upset that her routine, and the sense of safety that goes with it, has been upended. Faye's reaction, meantime, seems like the reaction I'd expect from someone who's pretty burnt out facing down their own issues and doesn't quite have the energy at the moment to deal with someone else's.

SomeCanadianWeirdo · « **Reply #167 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 20:17 »

Quote from: TheEvilDog on 03 Feb 2015, 18:55

The litany of Whedon's literary crimes is long indeed, but this isn't really the place to go into that particular topic.

52 page thread, with several dozen forum members getting banned. Yeah, not a good idea.

Aziraphale · « **Reply #168 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:14 »

No comic tonight? My page isn't showing the Twitter feed, so I'm kinda out of the loop...

Omega Entity · « **Reply #169 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:14 »

Also, looking back, it's amazing how Hanners has evolved through the strip. Her OCD seemed like more of an afterthought with her at the beginning. Was that chalked up to different medication, maybe?

TRVA123 · « **Reply #170 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:15 »

Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 20:05

Hot Damn! Found it! That didn't take as long as I thought it would. And it is, indeed, Hanners dealing with Faye being snarky with her:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1108

On a side note, going through pages, it's mentioned A LOT that Faye shouldn't drink so much, by a myriad of characters.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2682

Also looks like Hanner's more recent outburst was also triggered partly by Faye's drinking.

Although Hanners hides it well, she might have very little patience for her friends indulging in behavior they KNOW is destructive.

Omega Entity · « **Reply #171 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:20 »

Yep, I came across that one too in my troll, lol. The one I posted simply seemed more apt and specific

Aziraphale · « **Reply #172 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:22 »

Quote from: Omega Entity on 03 Feb 2015, 21:14

Also, looking back, it's amazing how Hanners has evolved through the strip. Her OCD seemed like more of an afterthought with her at the beginning. Was that chalked up to different medication, maybe?

Yes. Can't remember the strip, but Marten remarks about the long hair and cigarettes, and Hanners specifically chalks it up to the meds.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #173 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:27 »

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1046

Omega Entity · « **Reply #174 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:32 »

Ah, that's right. Thanks!

maxh · « **Reply #175 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:33 »

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Quote from: Aziraphale on 03 Feb 2015, 21:14

No comic tonight? My page isn't showing the Twitter feed, so I'm kinda out of the loop...

Eh, give it time. As for Twitter, you're not missing much now; he hasn't posted in the past six hours.

ASB84 · « **Reply #176 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:35 »

Quote from: SomeCanadianWeirdo on 03 Feb 2015, 20:17

Quote from: TheEvilDog on 03 Feb 2015, 18:55
The litany of Whedon's literary crimes is long indeed, but this isn't really the place to go into that particular topic.

52 page thread, with several dozen forum members getting banned. Yeah, not a good idea.

Ah...I wasn't aware that he was such a contentious issue. Truth be told, I've never actually seen much of his work, but I am a fan of Alyson Hannigan and had heard about that comment in passing; it seemed an apt comparison, given what the sight of Hanners crying in QC does to us as the audience. Anyway, apologies for bringing him up, as I said I wasn't aware of the history there.

~~cesariojpn~~ · « **Reply #177 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:39 »

Well that was unexpected change.

Spiritz · « **Reply #178 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:40 »

Damn it!

2890 is up instead of 2889... now I have nothing to look toward tomorrow >_<

Penquin47 · « **Reply #179 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:40 »

New comic.

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ACTUAL new comic:

Good for Marten for clarifying. Good for Faye for taking it as it was meant.

[edited because the original comment talked about Thursday's comic unspoilered]

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #180 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:41 »

I can't see anything.

A Duck · « **Reply #181 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:42 »

Apparently friday's comic appeared in the front page for a split second. I can't see today's comic yet.

Aziraphale · « **Reply #182 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:42 »

So, wait... 2890 is up but not 2889? 2890 is adorable, though.

Isyrion · « **Reply #183 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:43 »

I guess the site is having a slight breakdown...

A Duck · « **Reply #184 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:45 »

it IS quite a creepy combination. No comic, the ominous "never" from Jeph. No twitter feed...and dord

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #185 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:47 »

Ok, it's up now.

Now the "never" makes sense.

emilygrrl · « **Reply #186 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:47 »

On 2890:

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Edit: I posted this before seeing 2889.

Half Empty Coffee Cup · « **Reply #187 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:52 »

Warning - while you were dording 2 new dords have been dorded. You may wish to review your dord.

2889 is up. Faye really does look tired, and a nice backtrack/clarification from Marten.

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Dord - dord dord dord dording 2 dord redords dord dord dorded. Dord dord dord dord dord dord dord.

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #188 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:54 »

I hope that's a new couch Marten's sitting on. $:-\$

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to examine your couch's cleanliness.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #189 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:54 »

Faye looked more at ease in the last panel than in a long time.

Aziraphale · « **Reply #190 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 21:56 »

Given the content of 2890 and the recent influx of new people, I'm just going to leave this here:

On Discussion of Private Parts https://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30194.0.html

Kugai · « **Reply #191 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 22:16 »

Amen to that Marten, amen to that.

Rghfrgl · « **Reply #192 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 22:21 »

Secret mystery comic.

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CaptainFish · « **Reply #193 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 22:32 »

Nice to get a couple of happy strips.

CasAttack · « **Reply #194 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 22:36 »

Reading through here, I'm now immensely confused and sad I missed the preemptive thing that thinged.

CaptainFish · « **Reply #195 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 22:47 »

Quote from: CasAttack on 03 Feb 2015, 22:36

Reading through here, I'm now immensely confused and sad I missed the preemptive thing that thinged.

Maybe try some comic url manipulation.

MrNumbers · « **Reply #196 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 22:47 »

Marten has wonderfully illustrated something here:

Sentiment always comes before logic, but logic always catches up to sentiment. One is the sprint, the other the marathon.

Lubricus · « **Reply #197 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 23:16 »

GAH! I want to comment on 2890, but I don't think this forum can handle the amount of spoiler tags I'd need!

Dark Matter · « **Reply #198 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 23:24 »

I think what Marten said also illustrates, in a comedic way, the shift in Marten's thinking away from his enabling behavior. Or at least I hope it does.

Also, I really should have learned my lesson by now about clicking spoiler tags after the 5 billionth time that I've regretted it.

BenRG · « **Reply #199 on:** 03 Feb 2015, 23:32 »

To me, the title of strip 2889 and the news postscript are both messages from Jeph. I think that he underestimated how much that this arc would affect him personally. It's been sort of emotionally draining and he's hoping never to have to address it again. Still, characters can get away from you sometimes.

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Sorry, normally, I have more self-control, but I had to mention the early post today!

It's my feeling that the next steps for Faye will happen in parallel to another arc rather than be the focus.

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