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Title: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 16 Sep 2009, 20:07
So for most of North America, University is back in full swing(the rest of the world is following behind soon I think). For some of us this is the first year and some people aren't going back this year! Or you're not in your first year. I figure that right now we don't have a thread like this so it'll be a good place for assignment woes/etc. Obviously I mostly made this so me, and the other people who are just starting(uh... Ally?) can go,"ahhhhh what the fuck" a lot. But whatevs.

So I am asking, people in upper years, is it normal to feel like everything you do is really really shit, and basically be super disorganized and suck at everything the first little while? Do proffs expect this? Or is this a phenomenon that I am experiencing out of place.

(This thread might also be useful for breaking up some of the blog thread maybe?)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 16 Sep 2009, 20:30
Well, as a second-year graduate student, I am trying to get my schedule sorted out to where I can do research at certain times, homework at other times, grading at other times and happy fun-times at other...um...times.  So, the beginning of school disorganization never really went away for me.

Also, the especially when you are starting school, the professors give you a bit of an easy time.  The first homework assignment is for the professors to get a feel for you and for you to get a feel for college.  After all, at no other time in your schooling careers has the differences in quality/amount/focus of you and your peers' education been so pronounced.  This results in professors not really being able to expect a certain degree of knowledge.

It's a lot of people's first time away from home, as well, and the system generally tries to accommodate that sort of thing.  They try to ease you into the self-reliant people that you will need to be upon graduating.  I ended up taking a couple of intro classes my senior year, and it was crazy how low the level of responsibility was compared to what had been expected of me in all of my other classes at the time, but had I never really noticed that much of a difference.

Finally, University/College tends to be different for everyone, because different Universities/Colleges work in different ways, plus your program of study will by and large shape your educational future.  However, it's pretty universally an enjoyable experience, so get the most out of it, and use what your University/College has to offer.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: a pack of wolves on 16 Sep 2009, 20:40
In the UK (or at least at the various establishments I know of) the first year's marks don't count towards your degree mark precisely because they know you need time to adjust, all you have to do is pass. A very civilised system I always think, possibly because I scraped a pass myself the first year for one reason and another. After all, if you were already great at doing academic work when you arrived what would be the point in being an undergraduate? So do not overly concern yourself with the fact that you think your work is shit. It's supposed to be.

Personally, I'd like to use this thread to complain about being unable to afford to do a master's this year: fuck, I would much rather be ranting about culture than looking for a job. That was terribly therapeutic, thank you.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: smack that isaiah on 16 Sep 2009, 20:49
Yay!  A place where I can go "aaaah what the fuck" a lot

ok.  here's where you stop reading cause I'm about to let all my current problems bleed out onto the page (or comp screen or whatever):

tomorrow i've got my first Chemistry: Quantitative Analysis Lab, and I find out that there's a HUGE freaking pre-lab.  Took my friend (who's quite smart) 1.5 hours to do it.  I'll do it tomorrow after my first class if I can manage it.
AND, the lab manual (which i just found out existed tonight) says we need to have a separate bound non-spiral notebook for the lab, and the only extra notebook I have is a spiral one.  So I get to spend an exorbitant amount of money tomorrow on a marble notebook from teh school's bookstore (because I need to get it quickly to do the prelab and don't really have teh time to go to downtown and get a cheaper one) so I still end up with an extra unused notebook

And I'm also in a physics lab which inexplicitly requires the labs to be turned in 48 hours after the lab's performed, rather than a week later, so I've got that due tomorrow as well.

And then there's the thermo homework and the tons of reading on jihad I have to do for my History course. 

And I'm excessively tired from fencing and trying to teach a bunch of new kids who want to learn how to fence, and I really need to sleep. 

ARRRGH why?  why? why?  aaaaah what the fuck

And on top of all this I'm kinda pissed at my girlfriend right now, and I can't talk about it, and knowing how goddamn bipolar we both seem to be, she'll be all happy tomorrow and I won't be right in feeling pissed--and still be unable to talk about it--and then i'll have to be happy and everything'll continue to suck.

(At least I'm "Not quite a lurker" now)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 16 Sep 2009, 21:01
bound non-spiral notebook for the lab, and the only extra notebook I have is a spiral one. 

Never understood this shit. It is a notebook. It has paper with lines on it that I can write on. Why does it matter what type of notebook it is? I have had so many teachers say they want a specific type but not give any damn reason on why they want that specific type and it is just stupid.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 16 Sep 2009, 21:06
Guys, I'm going into my final year, and I'm so fucking excited / so really intimidated by the fact that I have to face real world soon.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Darkbluerabbit on 16 Sep 2009, 21:14
The most demanding class I took in my entire college career was in my first semester.  That particular professor later told me that his freshman level classes are intentionally painful, because he wants students who can't handle it to fail. 

I don't know if this is universal, but I would not be surprised if many professors create classes to screen out slackers.  If college seems daunting, just do what you can, talk to professors about the things you can't, and it will all be okay.  Showing concern and dedication will get you everywhere.

bound non-spiral notebook for the lab, and the only extra notebook I have is a spiral one. 

Never understood this shit. It is a notebook. It has paper with lines on it that I can write on. Why does it matter what type of notebook it is? I have had so many teachers say they want a specific type but not give any damn reason on why they want that specific type and it is just stupid.

Many teachers/professors ask that students avoid spiral notebooks, because spirals tend to snag on each other.  I know from stacking my personal notebooks, that spiral-bound books can create quite the mess, so I can fully understand why someone who has to grade all those notebooks would want to avoid them. 

This only applies if you actually turn in the notebook, of course.  If you tear out the pages before turning them in, then they have no reason to give a fuck.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LeeC on 16 Sep 2009, 21:15
I am actually going back to college this year.   :-D
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jmrz on 16 Sep 2009, 21:29
Maybe the teachers that actually collect your notebooks prefer certain types/makes because they have to stack them? Stacking or trying to carrying a bunch of different sized/shaped/bound notebooks is a huge pain in the ass because they don't fit together nicely.

In other news, I miss uni. I took a semester off to work full time and I miss it. It really breaks up my day and gives me a gazillion things to do and I love the stress. I work considerably better under pressure and I get bored when things are too easy and I have nothing to do. I don't go back until March, but I'm already looking forward to signing up for classes again. Also, I'll be doing full time uni and close enough to full time employment, all at once. Crazy? Probably.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 16 Sep 2009, 21:30
Well I spent 5 years at university and now 3 years as a grad student, so I guess I'm as qualified as anyone to answer some of these!

Andy, you get a lot of leeway with your first year. Basically, don't fuck yourself over and fail any classes and you will be ok. Professors don't expect a lot from your first year! You're on your own for the first time and it is pretty much assumed that you will have trouble balancing your social life (read: getting drunk as fuck whenever you feel like it) and school work.

Never understood this shit. It is a notebook. It has paper with lines on it that I can write on. Why does it matter what type of notebook it is? I have had so many teachers say they want a specific type but not give any damn reason on why they want that specific type and it is just stupid.

This really comes down to making it easy for your TA's. Spiral notebooks tend to be larger than their bound counterparts. It's a huge pain in the ass to lug around all the notebooks for the sections you teach (I've had up to 60 at a time). Also, it is so much easier for pages to rip out of spiral notebooks, making it a nightmare to keep track of. I know they are more expensive, but the grief it saves your poor TA's (and trust me, they really deserve more pity than you realize) really is worth the extra few dollars.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: David_Dovey on 16 Sep 2009, 21:36
So for most of North America, University is back in full swing(the rest of the world is following behind soon I think).

Australia is just about to head into final exams season at the moment, actually. It is my lady acquaintance's final semester of her undergraduate degree and I am cheerleading.

Also, I'll be doing full time uni and close enough to full time employment, all at once. Crazy? Probably.

It's lucky you love stress! Geez, good luck!

I kind of miss uni too but I think what I actually miss is living at home for free and barely having to work-and also not really doing too much in the way of study- and as such having a lot of free time and disposable income on my hands to tool around and play drums and jack off and post on here. It was great!

Of course now I live out of home and if I went back to uni I would probably have to apply myself to my study in a pretty big way and also work a lot more to support myself so I do not think I would enjoy it as much. I guess what I am saying is being an adult sucks major wang. That is my lesson to all of you young people.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Verergoca on 16 Sep 2009, 21:45
Oh you people who just started! The joy of pubcrawling on weekdays!

I can give only one advice, and that is:

Remember, there is a difference between studying and beeing a student! Studying requires just one activity, beeing a student also means you go forth and do crazy things you later look back on with your ex-classmates during fancy reunions and go "remember when..." Make sure you can look back on your time as a student with a huge smile on your face!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 16 Sep 2009, 21:57
Man, I wish I had time to drink?

(What I am saying is that I have an insane amount of work and the idea of doing anything except occasionally sleeping and working and school is really foreign already)

I feel the need to clarify a little about my school, it doesn't do frosh week, if I miss more than one class without an excuse I am withdrawn from the course unless I get a successful appeal, etc etc etc. I feel like what you guys are describing is not like my school :c
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 16 Sep 2009, 22:09
That's kinda harsh, what type of school do you go to?

Not to be rubbing salt into the wound or anything, but I think that last semester I went to class a total of about 10 times for all my five classes I had. I'm tagging the line of a First, so it's not like I'm slacking off, I just don't do very well in a classroom. Personally I think mandatory classes are bullshit. The average person doesn't have a very long attention span (not 50 minutes at least), and making them spend their time in class when they're more productive otherwise is a waste of everyone's time.

I'm making myself a promise (hah!) this year that I'm going to be spending at least an hour in the library each day reading over the lecture notes for all my classes that day.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 16 Sep 2009, 22:36
An art school, also, 50 minutes? That is a class? My classes are all 4 and a half hours long what the hell
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: David_Dovey on 16 Sep 2009, 22:48
Yeah seriously dude are you actually suggesting that it is unfair or ineffective to have lectures that go for less than an hour what the hell is wrong with you people.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 16 Sep 2009, 22:50
I have never been to college and I didn't do that spectacular in high school. But I really really enjoy history and I am smart at economics (I do not enjoy it as much as history). I can see myself being a History teacher, but I'd have to go to college. I currently don't have any money, but becoming a student would probably be a really good thing for me as I am feeling really aimless and I keep coming back to "go to school, do something with your life."
Is there a place for History majors in the world, if I am not working at a museum? Should I be a teacher? I mean, I liked every single one of my history teachers because they were all super into the subject, and history is probably number 3 on my list of things I am passionate about. Internet, I leave it to you to give me advice on my current situation, should I try to get into college for the spring, seeing if I can get scholarships (unlikely), grants (unlikely), and/or student loans (likely)?

Addendum: I don't want to end up like my roommate or friends that I know, with a partial degree that they are now paying off the student loans for even though they never use it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 16 Sep 2009, 22:57
Yeah seriously dude are you actually suggesting that it is unfair or ineffective to have lectures that go for less than an hour what the hell is wrong with you people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_span

Andy, if it's an art school I'm assuming you don't sit in a lecture hall and listen to some old guy talk for four and a half hours straight. You're probably doing something productive. If not, then I am truly sorry.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 16 Sep 2009, 23:56
First year doesn't matter in the least! Pass your courses and meet new people, that is all that really matters. Don't worry yourself because doing well is not important. The profs will either be harsh or extremely kind and understanding, but as long as you learn from the course your grade does not matter. Most important is meeting new people and trying new things, now is the time to learn things about yourself, and how can you do that without trying everything and seeing what you do and do not like? You won't know what you regret until you do it!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Hat on 17 Sep 2009, 00:02
Do not let anyone tell you that you need to drink or have a good time or basically do anything apart from study at college, you will know if you have spare time to do this stuff by about the end of the first week. Depending on your work and study schedule, college could be 4 years of intense social isolation with brief spurts of wearing a toga and being spun around upside down on a hills-hoist, or it could basically be a 24 hour a day party with some books involved. Find out for yourself! Do not be afraid to party if the timing seems right but also do not think that university is a great excuse to get drunk and laid all the time because that is how dropouts are born.

Also do not be afraid to get to know people in your classes on the very first day you have them because otherwise you will not talk to them all semester and it will be even more awkward if you have another class with them later and try to introduce yourself then.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: scarred on 17 Sep 2009, 00:38
An art school, also, 50 minutes? That is a class? My classes are all 4 and a half hours long what the hell

Yeah, I go to art school too, and it's exactly like that. Also the attendance policy is almost as insanely strict, but we get to miss 3 class sessions before we're withdrawn from the course.

Basically you're probably going to feel overwhelmed for a lot of the first semester/quarter, and then things will kind of get into a groove and you'll be able to find time to not sleep/drink way too much.

At least, that was my experience.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Masterbainter on 17 Sep 2009, 00:42
Also do not be afraid to get to know people in your classes on the very first day you have them because otherwise you will not talk to them all semester and it will be even more awkward if you have another class with them later and try to introduce yourself then.


Very agreed.  also, it is very good to make friends with people in your classes so you can have some study partners or homework help.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Liz on 17 Sep 2009, 05:56
Jens you have figured out college quickly.

Well done.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Luke C on 17 Sep 2009, 05:57
An art school, also, 50 minutes? That is a class? My classes are all 4 and a half hours long what the hell

Is your course actually run by the devil himself.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 17 Sep 2009, 06:24
history, teaching

good teachers are something that have pretty much always been in demand and very likely always will be, although maybe in some places more than others. still, if you're okay with the possibility of moving, i say go for it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 17 Sep 2009, 07:26
An art school, also, 50 minutes? That is a class? My classes are all 4 and a half hours long what the hell

Is your course actually run by the devil himself.

To be fair note that art classes are often longer, because you're in the studio doing the work, rather than just listening to a lecture and doing all the work at home.  Looking at the two schools I'm teaching for right now, Columbia College has unusually short classes for an art school, at 3 hours once a week (that could just be this department though; I have no idea what their painting or dance studio classes are like.)  Meanwhile the other school I teach at, the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, routinely has full-day studio classes (obviously there's a break for lunch in the middle.)

Incidentally, speaking from the teacher's perspective, while it is certainly a big drag that I'm tied down to a classroom longer than teachers in other disciplines, this is made up for by the considerably less work I have to do outside class grading and preparing exams and such (the same time trade-off students are making, really.)  Considering that paperwork stuff like grading is my biggest weakness as a teacher, while my strengths are in the classroom communication, this trade-off works for me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 17 Sep 2009, 07:51
Oh you people who just started! The joy of pubcrawling on weekdays!

Don't be mean, Vergy. You know we don't have real pubs.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Sep 2009, 08:19
history, teaching

good teachers are something that have pretty much always been in demand and very likely always will be, although maybe in some places more than others. still, if you're okay with the possibility of moving, i say go for it.

See, I really like living in Arizona, but we have the worst education in the United States. The teachers don't actually teach kids to retain knowledge, they teach them how to take a standardized test. So, while I really don't want to move from AZ, I fear that I'd have to if I wanted to actually pursue a (successful) career in teaching. I guess I'll have some more concrete answers when I talk to my aunt, uncle, and cousin at the end of october. All three are teachers because they love teaching.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 17 Sep 2009, 08:30
Jace, since NCLB you will find that any state you go to in the US is the exact same way. Right now there is no way to escape teaching towards standardized tests (unless you want to teach at alternative schools).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 17 Sep 2009, 09:09
Get ready for a megapost with me responding to what a lot of people have said!

Showing concern and dedication will get you everywhere.

This.  So much this.

Guys, I'm going into my final year, and I'm so fucking excited / so really intimidated by the fact that I have to face real world soon.

Two words: graduate school.

(and trust me, they really deserve more pity than you realize)

I'm going to make you crazy jealous, and you'll probably never talk to me again.  I am currently one of three TAs for a class of about 20.  BAHAHAHAHAHA!

Also, I'll be doing full time uni and close enough to full time employment, all at once. Crazy? Probably.

My third and fourth year of school were completed while working pretty much full-time as a musician.  Luckily, a lot of the practicing overlapped with my music degree.  Once you get a schedule going, it's actually not too bad, and you're never bored.

(What I am saying is that I have an insane amount of work and the idea of doing anything except occasionally sleeping and working and school is really foreign already)

You will find that there is time to be social (not necessarily drink, mind).  It won't be there at first, but you'll slowly get your schedule down to where you have free time.

Yeah seriously dude are you actually suggesting that it is unfair or ineffective to have lectures that go for less than an hour what the hell is wrong with you people.

Unfair to have required lectures.  My dad got mostly top marks in his undergrad degree rarely setting foot in a classroom.  Some people just don't do well in a classroom situation.

Is there a place for History majors in the world, if I am not working at a museum? Should I be a teacher?

Yes.  What level would you be hoping to teach?  Because University/College level is insanely competitive for humanities people, but high school is probably much better.

Do not let anyone tell you that you need to drink or have a good time or basically do anything apart from study at college, you will know if you have spare time to do this stuff by about the end of the first week.

College is also a place to grow as a person, as well.  So try to at least be sociable, and always keep in mind that "sociable" doesn't mean "alcoholic."  It doesn't even mean there's alcohol involved at all.  I'll temper this with, if you don't feel you can get your work done, do your work.  People will either understand, or become drop-outs very quickly.

Also do not be afraid to get to know people in your classes on the very first day you have them because otherwise you will not talk to them all semester and it will be even more awkward if you have another class with them later and try to introduce yourself then.

You will also probably not survive without some sort of support group of friends.  As awesome as college is, there is a lot of stress and sometimes it just gets too much.

To be fair note that art classes are often longer, because you're in the studio doing the work, rather than just listening to a lecture and doing all the work at home.

So, it's like mandatory "homework" time?  Damn.  I mean, I had rehearsals, but individual practice was to be done on my own time (once, my teacher was really pissed off that I hadn't put in enough work that week and just left, saying that I could practice if I wanted to, but he saw no reason to remain around).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 17 Sep 2009, 09:33
Jace, since NCLB you will find that any state you go to in the US is the exact same way. Right now there is no way to escape teaching towards standardized tests (unless you want to teach at alternative schools).

Does "alternative schools" include private schools?


Find a private school or a Catholic school or something, Jace, and tell them that in your spare time you would like to observe because you are interested in teaching. If you explain the situation to most teachers, they will empathise with you! Most of them don't like it, either! And even in a place like a religious school, you will be able to observe methods and styles that work, even if you have to sort through the religious-oriented stuff. I know that at my middle school and high school (which was private), you probably wouldn't have to talk the principal into anything: he'd be all for it and do everything he could to set that up.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Verergoca on 17 Sep 2009, 09:34
Don't be mean, Vergy. You know we don't have real pubs.

Isnt that what internships in foreign countries are for?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 17 Sep 2009, 09:40
I guess I should have been less specific. You're right, private schools in general don't have to worry about that as much. Of course most privates schools actually manage to pay less than their public counterparts, so you should keep that in mind.

Also, Bassist, I have an RA so I'm really not that jealous. If you had told me that a year ago I would not have been so happy, but that was a year ago.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 17 Sep 2009, 10:26
To be fair note that art classes are often longer, because you're in the studio doing the work, rather than just listening to a lecture and doing all the work at home.

So, it's like mandatory "homework" time?  Damn.  I mean, I had rehearsals, but individual practice was to be done on my own time (once, my teacher was really pissed off that I hadn't put in enough work that week and just left, saying that I could practice if I wanted to, but he saw no reason to remain around).

*shrug* I suppose that's what it means, yeah. Frankly, to really get good, say, as an animator takes a lot of practice outside of class too, so I guess people don't think too much about that whole conservatory atmosphere to classes. Also I've done that leave-because-the-students-aren't-working thing; it was some class where nobody had done the reading so it would have been a complete waste of time to try to have a discussion about an article nobody read.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Sep 2009, 10:47
Well, I'd ideally like to teach high school level since that is where I can really get into detail for the parts of history I enjoy (early to mid 20th century), whereas before that you have to do a broad brush stroke of Ancient Babylonian up to 1995 in a single school year.
I think I'd be alright with teaching at a private school because it'd be less about the pay and more about teaching something I enjoy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ackblom12 on 17 Sep 2009, 11:30
If you're getting into teaching, I certainly hope the pay is not even a serious factor with the current payscales.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 17 Sep 2009, 11:34
I guess I should have been less specific. You're right, private schools in general don't have to worry about that as much. Of course most privates schools actually manage to pay less than their public counterparts, so you should keep that in mind.

Better benefits. Also job security. Also less sucky environment.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 17 Sep 2009, 11:57
That depends. A teacher in a public school is pretty much guaranteed excellent health and dental (even in really low income areas). Some districts will also have pretty decent retirement packages. Job security varies greatly depending on state, and even by district. I believe that Arizona is one of the highest needs states in the country, so it wouldn't really matter for Jace.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Sep 2009, 12:13
Oh they need teachers but state legislature keeps cutting education funding. And so people don't want to be teachers because it looks like it could be a shaky career in Arizona so people go into the medical field or graphic design instead.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 17 Sep 2009, 12:22
That seems to be happening all over the place.

Just one bit of advice, don't do teach for america....ever! Most of the teachers who do it wind up spending their first month crying in their classroom during their lunch break. It will make you hate yourself and teaching in general.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nichidani on 17 Sep 2009, 12:59
I just started this semester, and so far I am having an alright time.

I just get irritated with all the kids going to other schools (or even mine) that are always partying and drinking and oh my god blah blah, WHERE DO YOU FIND THE TIME PEOPLE? When I am not studying or actually in class, I am sleeping like the dead because this shit is exhausting.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 17 Sep 2009, 14:05
I agree that a balance is needed.  All work and no play make Jack a dull boy, as they say.  It is, however, possible to get your work done and still have some time left over.  You just have to get into the swing of things a bit.  I think it's a lot like working in a kitchen.  Sure, you've got to do so many things at one time, but if you're adept at it, you actually look like you're breezing through and barely doing anything at all, whereas if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to be doing stuff constantly, and still be in the weeds.  The only difference between the two tends to be experience.  The more time you spend doing that stuff, the better you'll be at knowing when to start things, how to knock it out quickly, etc.  So, keep at it and you'll find yourself in a great rhythm that'll allow you to have what's known as "free time," plus you won't fail out, which is important.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: vegkitkat on 17 Sep 2009, 16:14
I'm in my last year of my B.sc. I'm very excited, but I'm terrified about grad school. I get to spend the next month working on my NSERC application and trying to find a grad school and a supervisor. My roommates are prepared to deal with a very cranky Katharine.

Also, I just spent almost 5 hours T.A.ing an Organic I lab, where they only had to do 3 distillations (2 simple, 1 fractional). If this trend continues, some students are going to get blinded by science. Science is represented by acid.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 17 Sep 2009, 22:53
I HATE COLLEGE CAN I GO HOME NOW
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 17 Sep 2009, 23:37
I mean, if you want to, I guess, but don't worry, it'll get better.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 18 Sep 2009, 00:26
After {mumblemumble} years of not being in school (a failed attempt at a physics degree after going to university after high school), I'm back in junior college working for a technical certificate in Television Production. I'm going to look into the A.A., but only if they'd credit my previous general education classes.

So far, it's fun, the classes are stuff I really enjoy, and I'm much more motivated to get all I can out of each of them. Just showing up and doing the work should lead to good grades. 2 classes working on computers, one for video editing on Final Cut Pro, the other creating all those fancy intro and promotional graphics on Adobe After Effects. The third class is on how to shoot professional looking video and edit it into a polished final product.

It's really interesting observing the different attitudes among the other students. In the kinds of classes I'm in where there's a specific goal and reason for them being there, it's pretty good overall. If I was stuck in general education classes at this point, though, I'd probably be chewing my leg off to escape like many of the other students. It's not like I don't love learning about pretty much anything, during my first pass through it all, I absorbed all the info like a sponge, I was just bad at doing the work. I just don't see that I'd learn much new now.

Anyway, I might have some contributions and advice for this thread.

The only thing I can really think of to help alleviate the stress is this: The only employer (in your field) who will ever care about your grades (and which school you went to, maybe) is the FIRST one. After that, the simple fact you have a degree will be a distant 2nd place in importance to work experience.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: phooey on 18 Sep 2009, 05:18
Urgh, I'm so fucking stupid.

College,
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Masterbainter on 18 Sep 2009, 06:13
I actually am Liking classes this year... but then again all my teachers are fucking kewl shit.  Other than that i'm super busy working fulltime/school full time.  I do have time to sleep on the weekends though.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 18 Sep 2009, 06:22
I don't register until the 28th of Sept, and my classes don't start until the 5th of October. I'm sooooooooo jealous of everyone that's started already, I'm starting to go stir crazy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 18 Sep 2009, 06:28
I've recently applied for a postgraduate diploma at one of Sydney's really good unis. I'm really worried because I don't think I'm going to get in and if I don't get in this year it's unlikely I'm ever going to get in. I really hope I do because I honestly haven't ever considered the possibility of not becoming a psychologist and if I don't get in I really don't know what I'm going to do. Quietly freaking out until January when I find out, thinking about not getting accepted is actually kind of upsetting so I'm trying to put it out of my mind because I really don't need to just start crying.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 18 Sep 2009, 08:24
One of my professors in undergrad gave me a pretty low chance of getting into any of the schools to which I had applied, and I ended up getting into all of them.  I was all scrambling looking for a less selective program (I had applied to the top schools in the field) and then the acceptance letters started coming in.  So, chin up.

I HATE COLLEGE CAN I GO HOME NOW

I think I was absolutely miserable for maybe even the entire first year of college.  Eventually, I found cool people, who ended up being almost entirely different people from those I hung out with in my first year and I started to relax a little bit more.  Being a guy who didn't drink (yes, I didn't drink my entire first year), it was a little weird going to a huge party school, but I found my place and the rest of the experience was awesome.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nichidani on 18 Sep 2009, 11:01
man, i am just ready for REAL CLASSES and not this core-class bullshit. it is annoying
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dimmukane on 18 Sep 2009, 11:23
On the other hand, core classes are easy.  I am on the Dean's List because I only had one class last year in my major.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 18 Sep 2009, 12:28
I want to be a psychologist

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/jimmy5times/2985642727_25db621b70.jpg)

What has been bothering you lately?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: chowburger on 18 Sep 2009, 12:37
I HATE COLLEGE CAN I GO HOME NOW

I think I was absolutely miserable for maybe even the entire first year of college. 

Same here. Maybe not the whole year, but a good part of it. I didn't 'get' the whole drinking culture, and spent most of the time going WTF WHY IS THIS PLACE SOLELY COMPRISED OF LOSERS? But I eventually found some similarly-minded people and now it is significantly less lame.

I just started the last year of my course, and my classes are pretty awesome this term. Writing my 13,000-word project... not so much. I think I've spent more time in the library in the past two weeks than I have in all my previous years combined.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nobo on 18 Sep 2009, 13:29
I met my soon-to-be-wife in college. Freshman year too. :)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 18 Sep 2009, 16:15
Key point: College is not high school. The people who still act like it is aren't worth hanging out with. Cliques and "in" and "out" crowds are bullshit, and if the people you're around can't respect how you roll, fuck them, whether you want to socialize/party more or less. Take advantage of the core/general classes to get to know people outside of your program, because the fairly limited amount of people you'll see most within your program for the next 4 years may or may not be the kinds of people you want to see outside of class.

But I repeat, college is not high school. It is the chance to have a clean slate and be who you want to be rather than be how others perceive you. Take full advantage of that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 19 Sep 2009, 08:40
I go to a very... uh, well, my school is hardish to get into. it really bothers me that I feel like I'm either working or drinking 24/7 (mostly working). it's really tough for me to handle all of this. I think I blacked out for the first time last night.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 19 Sep 2009, 08:56
Yeah seriously dude are you actually suggesting that it is unfair or ineffective to have lectures that go for less than an hour what the hell is wrong with you people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_span

Andy, if it's an art school I'm assuming you don't sit in a lecture hall and listen to some old guy talk for four and a half hours straight. You're probably doing something productive. If not, then I am truly sorry.

I know this is a little late. But I have two classes that are mostly work, one class that is half lecture, and one four and a half hour lecture of art culture/philosphy. And Holy shit, When my proffs said that I should expect 10 hours of homework minimum a week, they weren't kidding.

Besides that, so uh. University makes me feel really smart, especially my visual culture class because I grasp all the concepts and talk to my teacher and she loves me but everyone else hates me in that class because I am hermione granger in it oh jesus.

(I have never felt smart before in my life. People are constantly looking at me like I just spoke french, it is the best. I don't care if I don't have a social life, feeling smart is bomb)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 19 Sep 2009, 10:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM <<<< basically my uni experience
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 19 Sep 2009, 18:57
I start my third trimester of law tomorrow. I'm looking forward to it; I guess the fact that I'm out of synch with pretty much all of my friends who aren't in my course means that my holidays are pretty solitary affairs that consist mostly of me sleeping and watching movies and recovering, and it means that I'll see all the cool people I study with. I usually meet some cool people each semester too because people pretty much pick their subjects at random each trimester.
I am not looking forward to the ton of work I have to do, though. I am doing two of the heaviest subjects this time around, evidence and administrative law, and one subject that I hope will not be that much work. But I am doing one less subject than last semester because I just can't deal with another full load at the end of the year, I crashed majorly at the end of last year, both with my health and my grades, and I'm not going to repeat it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yayniall on 19 Sep 2009, 19:09
I am going into my final year next year, it was going to be my penultimate year but I underachieved so hard that I had to change courses.
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Exams suck
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Sep 2009, 01:03
I don't go for another two weeks and then we don't start for half a week after that so Gemm, I know how you feel! I keep making half-hearted efforts to pack but it's hard since I have nothing to pack into and I need most of the stuff in the next two weeks. I just want to go already!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Sep 2009, 02:42
I am going into my final year next year, it was going to be my penultimate year but I underachieved so hard that I had to change courses.
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Exams suck

Wait, what?  You failed, so you're getting out a year early?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 20 Sep 2009, 02:54
I don't go for another two weeks and then we don't start for half a week after that so Gemm, I know how you feel! I keep making half-hearted efforts to pack but it's hard since I have nothing to pack into and I need most of the stuff in the next two weeks. I just want to go already!

It's sooooooo pants, especially because my gf is moving in to her halls today and I've been in Portsmouth on and off since July and I'm just soooooooooooooo frigginnnnnnnnnn boreddddddddddddd.

I don't even have any pre-assignments or reading to do.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Rudi Voller on 20 Sep 2009, 04:47
I am going into my final year next year, it was going to be my penultimate year but I underachieved so hard that I had to change courses.
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Exams suck

Wait, what?  You failed, so you're getting out a year early?

I don't know what course it is that Yayniall is studying, but in my course (engineering) you have a 5 year Masters course and a 4 year Bachelors course. There is then a threshhold mark that you need to clear to go to the masters and otherwise go to the year shorter bachelors. I'd guess that this is what happened in this case, but could be horrendously wrong.

I'm going into my third year starting on Tuesday, and I can't wait to actually get going again, though I'll no doubt change my mind about that once the actual work starts again. Especially as it actually counts towards my final degree now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 20 Sep 2009, 08:36
It's sooooooo pants,

You know what's kinda funny and weird. A few years ago my brother and I were driving through Colorado, and I mispoke and said 'that's so pants'. We joked about how that should be a legitimate phrase, and now, four years later, I hear you use this. I had no idea it was something people actually sad.

However, in our minds it was a positive thing, not a negative thing.

On the University thing... I'm back in Edinburgh, and I've moved into my flat and have most of my stuff, and in about two hours (after I nap because I just had a red-eye flight) I'm going to the student Union to go drink with friends.

oh yeah. 

My lego x-wing broke in my luggage though, and I don't have the manual to put it back together.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yayniall on 20 Sep 2009, 09:49
Yeah, busted down to Bsc for not slavishly learning proofs.
That's my excuse for poor revision anyway.
Saved myself 3 grand.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 21 Sep 2009, 05:48
man I hate being in a dorm full of people who are getting sick or already are sick. most of these people are really selfish, too. seriously, I was making ramen for a friend who was really ill, and someone swiped a piece of it to eat before it was cooked. it was for a sick girl. jeez.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 21 Sep 2009, 09:56
My school had a really bad flu/cold going around last week and mine won't go away. My throat is full of razorblades. Since my school is so small and we're constantly around each other for like 12 hours of the day(even out of dorms), not to mention very huggy/affectionate, basically so far if one person gets sick it takes less than two days for the rest of the school to get it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 21 Sep 2009, 10:12
during my first year of uni in guelph we had a small stomach flu epidemic going around campus which was so bad classes were cancelled for weeks and certain sections of residence were quarantined. we made it onto the cbc news too. i was one of the 3 or 4 very first people to come down with this flu which was utterly terrifying as i had absolutely no idea what was going on when i suddenly woke up at 3 in the morning and proceeded to vomit the entire contents of my stomach over the side of my bed for the next several hours. the residence staff has to call a cab to rush me to hospital where a whole bunch of tubes and needles went into my arms because i couldn't walk and in between the vomiting i was collapsing and blacking out a lot. it's the one time in my life where i really thought i was going to die. then of course everyone else got it and i couldn't anymore because i was immune on account of having already had it, but at that point classes were essentially cancelled so i got to defer all my exams and enjoy a couple of weeks off anyway.

anyway it was eventually deduced that the most likely explanation for this was that someone forgot to wash their hands after taking a dump. that's my advice to you, freshmen. wash your hands after you shit. a little bit of soap and water goes a really long way, trust me on this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 21 Sep 2009, 11:46
hahahaha e.coli flu
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Sep 2009, 12:16
I've begun packing in a serious way (all the clothes I don't wear very often are either in suitcases or are going to the charity shop) and the spare bed in my room is covered in boxes of things like pans and toasters and so forth. Although I've still got quite a bit to do it's not going to take very long, so if I tackle it in small spurts I'm confident it'll get done in time.

I hadn't realised, until I saw it all together, just how much I've bought specially to take with me. Other than the clothes I'd say about 80% of my stuff has been purchased in the last two months with uni in mind. I guess I've never needed my own cutlery before, or a toaster or a sieve or any of the things I've been buying. The only things that were already mine are my stereo and my laptop and even that was bought so that I didn't have to take my desktop.

Guys, I go to uni in less than two weeks! I'm so excited :)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: smack that isaiah on 21 Sep 2009, 12:35
or a sieve

...why would you need a sieve in college?  Maybe "sieve" means something different in Europe?  I've asked my roommates, and the best answer we've come up with is that maybe you're an ecological survey major?  Needing to sift through sand?
Anyway, please help me and explain this, I'm going crazy, and I should be writing up a Chem Lab due Thursday.

Other than that, good luck at college!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 21 Sep 2009, 12:46
A lot of bakers sift flour (http://kitchensavvy.typepad.com/journal/2005/07/sifting_flour.html).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Sep 2009, 13:02
Sieves are so useful!  :-o Obviously if I am baking I will need to sift flour, sugar and so forth, but also they are a cheap and simple alternative to a colander when draining vegetables, and if I make an apple pie or something else involving stewed fruit I will be able to separate the juice from the pulp with no wastage.

Man, ever so often I forget that the US and the UK really don't speak the same language.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: smack that isaiah on 21 Sep 2009, 13:15
Hrmm, we totally didn't consider cooking (we're all dudes in my room, so maybe that's a reason?  Although, one of my roommates is gay and he didn't think of cooking...)

All my experience with sieves had come from time at the beach when I was younger, trying to separate sand from shells, and occasionally finding worn down glass. 
I've never had to sift flour or sugar when I cooked anything when I was younger (either my mother didn't care about clumps, or there weren't any?).  And, in my college, the dorms don't have individual kitchens (the apartments do, but not the dorms), but rather one communal one that hardly anyone uses cause it's so old.  None of us cook our own food past merely heating something up in a microwave.  It'd be nice if someone made a pie, but I doubt it's gonna happen.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 21 Sep 2009, 13:58
My roommates and I cooked all the time in college, even when they were mostly male.  In fact, I've only really had one roommate who didn't cook (by which I mean he subsisted Easy Mac and take-out food).

A lot of bakers sift flour (http://kitchensavvy.typepad.com/journal/2005/07/sifting_flour.html).

When I worked in a kitchen, we actually used a whip instead.  Probably because we were baking large amounts of stuff, and it didn't make sense to put all of it through a sifter.  Now, I use a sieve for sifting flour (along with other dry ingredients, because it mixes them a bit), dusting deserts with stuff like powdered sugar or cocoa and squeezing fruit (especially lemons) into sauces.  I broke down and bought a colander because I usually washed a lot of vegetables.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Aimless on 21 Sep 2009, 17:08
Guys, this my sixth semester at uni is the most relaxing ever!

The first half of this semester is for a research project, which I started working on in the beginning of this summer as a summer-job, and the second half is an introduction to internal medicine, surgery, and various clinical skills. This is the semester between a murderous pathology course and a murderous internal medicine/surgery course, and it feels like heaven :) feels like a very very long summer break.

Here in Sweden, courses in med-school are pretty much all pass/fail, although you have to pass everything. It's a nice system. As has been demonstrated elsewhere, a pure pass/fail system doesn't have to have a noticeable negative impact on students' performane on exams and the like, and makes for far less stressed students.

When it comes to exams, we tend to have one or two every semester. Once upon a time, they had more exams and other evaluations, thinking that more and smaller would be better than few and larger... but that began to change a while back. This current design, with few but large exams has a number of advantages, not least for students that end up falling behind for various reasons (this is in addition to benefits like being able to write really good comprehensive exams for every course :)).

I've had many strong opinions about the way education is handled in Sweden, on various levels... but in the past few years I've developed a greater understanding for why it is the way it is. I've also got several personal reasons for really appreciating the way eg. my programme is set up, and for the way those in charge work with us students. I had a really rough time of things for a few years, from the last year of highschool on. If I'd been living or studying in another country, I think I'd still have been an unhappy wreck. I don't think I'd have found my way to this path, to the point where I am now... a path and a point I am very very happy with :)

the system here seems designed to adjust for... well, for "life". On every level there seems to be a great deal of awareness... of the goals (eg. train a lot of good doctors and make sure they're happy while they're here), of everyone's roles and identities (eg. students are adults that have their own lives, lives which affect and are affected by uni studies and which must be taken into consideration)...

okay, I'm a little drunk and very very tired so I'll just stop this post right now. thank you for your charitable reading of my post :o :o
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: michaelicious on 21 Sep 2009, 17:36
during my first year of uni in guelph we had a small stomach flu epidemic going around campus which was so bad classes were cancelled for weeks and certain sections of residence were quarantined. we made it onto the cbc news too. i was one of the 3 or 4 very first people to come down with this flu which was utterly terrifying as i had absolutely no idea what was going on when i suddenly woke up at 3 in the morning and proceeded to vomit the entire contents of my stomach over the side of my bed for the next several hours. the residence staff has to call a cab to rush me to hospital where a whole bunch of tubes and needles went into my arms because i couldn't walk and in between the vomiting i was collapsing and blacking out a lot. it's the one time in my life where i really thought i was going to die. then of course everyone else got it and i couldn't anymore because i was immune on account of having already had it, but at that point classes were essentially cancelled so i got to defer all my exams and enjoy a couple of weeks off anyway.

anyway it was eventually deduced that the most likely explanation for this was that someone forgot to wash their hands after taking a dump. that's my advice to you, freshmen. wash your hands after you shit. a little bit of soap and water goes a really long way, trust me on this.

I remember that! I didn't get sick. I don't remember classes being cancelled. I remember they were handing out those surgical masks at the entrances of South (I still have one that I kept, actually) and that the walk-in clinic was basically jam packed with people all day every day for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: MrBlu on 21 Sep 2009, 17:51
So I am asking, people in upper years, is it normal to feel like everything you do is really really shit, and basically be super disorganized and suck at everything the first little while?
Yes...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 21 Sep 2009, 20:46
Here in Sweden, courses in med-school are pretty much all pass/fail, although you have to pass everything. It's a nice system. As has been demonstrated elsewhere, a pure pass/fail system doesn't have to have a noticeable negative impact on students' performane on exams and the like, and makes for far less stressed students.

In med school in the US, the system is pass/fail the same way, as far as I've been aware (my undergrad institution was basically a feeder school for a local med school, and as such I will never trust doctors ever again).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Sep 2009, 07:58
blinded by science. Science is represented by acid.

I want this on a t-shirt.  As in:

front - They Blinded Me With Science

back - (Science is represented by acid)
pictured - the goofy eyewash station logo
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: chowburger on 22 Sep 2009, 10:36
Here in Sweden, courses in med-school are pretty much all pass/fail, although you have to pass everything. It's a nice system. As has been demonstrated elsewhere, a pure pass/fail system doesn't have to have a noticeable negative impact on students' performane on exams and the like, and makes for far less stressed students.

The term I spent at university in Sweden was an amazing, amazing time. Curse you and your wonderfully organised country!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Aimless on 22 Sep 2009, 13:25
The term I spent at university in Sweden was an amazing, amazing time. Curse you and your wonderfully organised country!

Ooh! Where did you go? What did you do? AND WHO???
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Sep 2009, 15:27
anyway it was eventually deduced that the most likely explanation for this was that someone forgot to wash their hands after taking a dump. that's my advice to you, freshmen. wash your hands after you shit. a little bit of soap and water goes a really long way, trust me on this.

Today I learned that pinkeye is caused by fecal matter.

Note: This information comes from a scene in Knocked Up. That is how I know it is definitely true.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: chowburger on 22 Sep 2009, 15:33

Ooh! Where did you go? What did you do? AND WHO???

I was in Goteborgs Universitet, doing a bunch of English lit. classes and a Swedish language class. Sadly, the only piece of Swedish I've really retained is "DU! VAR FINNS BLODPUDDING?"

Who did I do? I was with my bf, so my options were rather severely limited :P
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 22 Sep 2009, 18:05
Yes, I am going to be that guy again.

Joe, pink eye is just a description of the symptoms, and can be a result of a lot of different bacterial infections of the surface of the eye. That can include fecal contamination, but can also be normal commensal organisms.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Marauder_Pilot on 22 Sep 2009, 18:30
I'm in my final year of Business Administration and Computer Science. I have 6 courses a semester, and realized I hate the majority of my options for careers after graduation.

Fuck this shit, I'm joining the military.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: phooey on 22 Sep 2009, 19:30
"Discuss the 17th century German concept of Bildung and the student's role in defining it through the humboldtian university tradition."

Humboldt is so awesome, I really hope you know how lucky you are.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Sep 2009, 19:33
sorry reed

Note: This information comes from a scene in Knocked Up. That is how I know it is definitely true.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 22 Sep 2009, 19:39
No, I know you didn't think it was actually true. The problem with devoting your life to microbiology is that you wind up having this strange desire to make sure everybody knows the correct information about stuff like that.

It's why we don't have many non-microbiologist friends.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 23 Sep 2009, 08:59
I don't remember classes being cancelled.

ah yeah i use "cancelled" in it's loosest sense, more like "all of my classes were at least 50% empty and professors encouraged students not to come if they were sick in any way" so i just stopped going to any of them. before my midterms and when i'd already recovered a long time ago i called up each of my professors with an extremely half-assed "uh i am sick, do i have to write the midterm tomorrow?" to which they just responded "yeah yeah just write it in 3 weeks like everyone else" so instead i spent a couple of weeks sleeping in and watching tv every day while everyone else on my floor who was actually violently ill hated me. it was pretty great.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: WestEnder67 on 26 Sep 2009, 06:01
I started again at a different university this year because last year was just an enormous waste of my time.

So far 'tis rather awesome - although the mythical Freshers flu was and is very much real.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Spluff on 26 Sep 2009, 08:03
Hey guys, what sounds like a better idea - Aerospace Engineering/Law or Commerce/Science?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nobo on 26 Sep 2009, 09:42
Aerospace engineering is a very narrow field. You end up working on airplanes, shuttles, jet engines, satellites, etc. Not very many companies deal with that.

HOWEVER, before the recession hit there was lots of talk about commercial space tourism taking off.  There were talks about allowing private and public companies to launch into space. So, if things pick back up again you can be at the forefront of a field that could really expand and be very profitable.

I was faced with a decision between mechanical engineer and aeronautical engineering and chose mechanical because the field was broader.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 26 Sep 2009, 10:12
Also, with aerospace engineering, you will be moving all over the place.  My friend's dad was an aerospace engineer, and they moved every few years because of his job.  There just usually isn't a place to find stable, long-term employment.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 26 Sep 2009, 10:23
(unless you're good enough for NASA)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 26 Sep 2009, 10:47
reassessment of college, now that I'm happier:

still don't really have friends, but I have people that I like and I'm mostly satisfied. there is so much work and so many things to do but I feel like this is a very good community for me. there's actually a football game outside (I didn't realize that these happened) and there are a lot of people screaming, but it's juxtaposed with the soft sweet melodies of the boys upstairs makin' music. I'm pretty pleased that the past two nights have been good, so if I don't drink too much and fuck up tonight, it'll be the hat trick (oh I think we just scored everyone sounds excited). first exam next week so I need to shower and then hit the libraaary. I feel at peace. it's fun to figure new things out.

I do, however, miss dogs and children.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 26 Sep 2009, 11:18
See?  College can be pretty awesome if you try to do what you want to do, and not what other people want you to do.  You'll find people who enjoy the same things as you and subsequently make friends with them, especially when you get more into your degree classes.  It'll be awesome.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 26 Sep 2009, 12:47
Golly gee, Bassist, what school did you go to? Can my college experience please be seen through the same rose coloured glasses kthx.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 26 Sep 2009, 13:00
My college experience ended a couple of years ago, and I think that really helps.  It also helps that I'm quite unhappy with how things are going now.  If you want to love your college experience, go get a PhD in Rochester, NY.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 26 Sep 2009, 13:59
"If you want to feel better about your life now, go do something even worse so that you'll look back on the present as fond memories."

timeless advice
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 27 Sep 2009, 20:44
hey who here has gone to graduate school or is planning to?

i've finally started putting together everything i need to apply for grad school this february and it's scary as heck! how do i come up with a really good research proposal and statement of intent that will totally blow any prospective supervisor's mind away? is it appropriate to e-mail my old professors and ask "hey, tell me what to do research on" if they are the same professors i need to ask for letters of recommendation from (i have a pretty basic idea already i just need to fine tune it into something that is a real research question with variables and stuff)? what should i do first, the asking for letters of recommendation part or the asking for thesis proposal help part? also what the heck am i supposed to put under "academic experience" on my cv, i don't think i have any and it's kind of freaking me out.

any advice here is appreciated! i know the application process really varies depending on what program you're applying for, but still, any guidance at all would be helpful because i live far away from my professors now and can communicate with them only via excessively formal emails and i am terrified of accidentally being rude to them cos i don't know anything about talking-to-professors etiquette, also i am curious to hear other people's experiences because i don't really know what i'm doing and i know most people don't know what they're doing but gosh, i really don't know what i'm doing and i just want to get into school so i can turn my totally useless degree into a semi-useful degree and maybe get out of retail finally.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 27 Sep 2009, 20:57
One of my professors who wrote a letter of recommendation actually reviewed my essay before I sent it in and suggested a lot of changes.  Thing was, I think he wanted me to get into grad school more than I wanted to, so there's that.  Under "academic experience," I'd put any significant research project you did, even if it was just for a class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 27 Sep 2009, 21:29
Yeah, I didn't have to propose a specific research project, but one of my professors went over my personal statement and helped me a lot with it. Most professors will be really helpful with giving you advice and helping you out with such things if you just ask them. Don't try to be excessively formal, more friendly (that has worked in my experience, I can't guarantee it for yours).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tyler on 28 Sep 2009, 00:18
Reed is lazy and drinks with the internet instead of paying attention to his melting lab.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 28 Sep 2009, 07:34
I'll have you know that I returned to Ted's 2 more times on Friday.

Because I'm such a dedicated grad student.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 28 Sep 2009, 13:00
I think I need to live on campus. I am pretty sure the sort of normal college community that has been so lacking exists in a teeny tiny bubble in this one contingent of on-campus apartments. I sort of stumbled across it today when I went to someone's place to study for a history test.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 29 Sep 2009, 10:10
I love that my school has 24hrs/7days a week all access but like, I was there til 3am last night. After getting up at 8:30am that morning and only getting home(the buses stopped running) at 1pm today. Oh jeez, hello next four years of my entire life jesus tits.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 29 Sep 2009, 10:38
All of my friends talk to me about how awesome it is that they get to go into their labs whenever they want.  Unfortunately, working at a government lab, you have to have someone with you if you're in the lab after hours, which means I'm limited to working 9am-5pm weekdays in the lab, which is exactly when I have to do everything else.  As a result, my weekends are boring as fuck but my weeks are crazy!  Well, that is, if I can actually figure out how to do anything or get to talk to anyone I need to learn how to do anything...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 29 Sep 2009, 13:29
The informatics labs at our school get busiest at 3 AM.

I've had days where I was in the labs for days. Crunch time isn't so cool.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 29 Sep 2009, 13:29
Also, we have showers in our labs.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 29 Sep 2009, 13:31
Oh man, that's what those are for everything makes sense now. So do the couches, oh god end of term must be scary.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 29 Sep 2009, 14:44
One of the end-of-semester comments on a class I took as an undergrad (it was a cross-disciplinary class drawing people from multiple departments):

Pro: it was awesome
Con: now the art building smells like the computer science building
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: vegkitkat on 29 Sep 2009, 16:39
Tania, I'm in the process of applying for graduate school and for my research proposal. I'm currently contacting all the professors I would possibly like to do research with, and getting them to send me more information about their labs and what I might expect to be doing if I were to work for them. So far, I've got some ideas and now I just need to start working on my NSERC application for reals.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 29 Sep 2009, 17:54
Also, we have showers in our labs.

We have showers, too.  With how much time I've been able to spend in the lab recently, I'm starting to think that it'll take me approximately seven years to finish my PhD.  Maybe I'll just grab a master's and hit the road (I'll probably end up grabbing the master's and staying, because I want to end up with four degrees, damnit!).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: The Cheesinator on 01 Oct 2009, 18:16
I'm in Life Sciences at the University of Toronto (living at home, yeah!), and all the science and calculus courses are suspiciously easy. All stuff I learned in high school...but I figure the shit will hit the fan sooner or later. Going for a Honours B.Sc in Materials Science somewhere down the line, don't want to be a doctor of medicines.

On a side note, I find it a little ridiculous that some Arts students have 13 hours of school per week. I have 22, and I know that engineering students have upwards of 30.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: supersheep on 01 Oct 2009, 18:19
yeah in my final year of my history degree i had five contact hours a week

this year (for my masters) i'm back up to about seven
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 01 Oct 2009, 19:38
I'm in Life Sciences at the University of Toronto (living at home, yeah!), and all the science and calculus courses are suspiciously easy. All stuff I learned in high school...but I figure the shit will hit the fan sooner or later. Going for a Honours B.Sc in Materials Science somewhere down the line, don't want to be a doctor of medicines.

On a side note, I find it a little ridiculous that some Arts students have 13 hours of school per week. I have 22, and I know that engineering students have upwards of 30.

I'm assuming you have to take Calc I and Calc II for Life Sciences, Calc I is a repeat of highschool until the last few weeks, but calc II gets very difficult very quickly. Can't say on the sciences because I'm an econ student, but I bet they'll get hard, the uni is just trying to make sure everyone is on the same page because some people went to crappy high schools. And living at home make sure you make some good friends in rez so you can crash on their couches/floors after the serious party nights, the best way to meet new people is getting hammered at rez parties.

First and second year for engineering students is just an attempt to fail out those that can't handle an insane workload, U of T and uOttawa are particularly rough on their engineers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 01 Oct 2009, 19:49
Res parties suck man.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Hat on 01 Oct 2009, 20:06
On a side note, I find it a little ridiculous that some Arts students have 13 hours of school per week. I have 22, and I know that engineering students have upwards of 30.

I have 9 hours of school a week but I also have a novel a week to read for four different subjects and by "novel" I mean something like the Brothers Karamazov or Ulysses and you gotta read the whole fucking thing and understand it which usually leads to me doing at least 40 hours of reading a week outside of that 9 nine hours of actual class time. And then as semester drags on I have assignments and presentations and a whole bunch of other shit. Linguistics is a little bit easier but I still probably do about 5-6 hours of reading each week on average across the semester for each subject (I haven't done any high level linguistics subjects yet) which as far as I can tell is about the same amount as most second year undergrad science subjects.

so while I appreciate that in some fields of arts might have a bullshit workload and even mine is not nearly as bad as some, looking at time spent in class is not particularly indicative of this

Also bear in mind that your hard work will probably get you a well paying job and my hard work will get me the ability to feel intellectually superior to my fellow food service industry drones
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 01 Oct 2009, 20:11
Res parties suck man.

Hey. Hey. Some of my greatest times of first year were the crazy rez parties, they're how I met a lot of my best friends. Maybe they're not your thing, but they totally worked for me and I would encourage all first years to give it a try.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 01 Oct 2009, 20:40
I lead a good life as a grad student.  I usually get to only worry about things that I'm not doing on Sunday, rather than actually do them, which is nice this semester.  Last semester I actually had to do work all the time.  I get to enjoy my football team play, and that's awesome.  I also don't generally have to do anything the rest of the day, so I can have beer on Sunday while I watch my team.  I really should do stuff, but I don't have to.  Maybe I should start going into the lab on the weekends.  I'm technically not supposed to, but I don't think they'll know.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Oct 2009, 04:26
I go tomorrow! I'm so excited and a tiny bit nervous even though I have no reason to be because I already have friends there and my tutor is pretty nice as long as you work really hard. Almost everything is packed and all the things still in my room are basically rubbish that needs to be thrown out.

In terms of teaching, I get 10 hours of lectures a week totalling 40 a year (I have no idea how that works either) and then fortnightly supervisions, which are like seminars or classes or something.

While I was looking to find out how many hours I get taught, I found a thing about the ERASMUS scheme which basically allowed 20 students who achieved Honours in their second year and are proficient in another language to spend a year studying abroad. It's free! And you get a small grant. This is double reason to work hard and keep up my german; it looks like an amazing opportunity.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: supersheep on 02 Oct 2009, 04:32
Everyone I'd heard from who's done an Erasmus year has been rather happy with it. Some places don't even require you to know another language - a friend of mine spent third year in Warsaw without knowing much Polish - but that depends on your college and your department, I guess. I didn't do one, cos I like Dublin, but it's well worth going for.

(Also in only seven years time you will be an MA. Woo for archaic university traditions!)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Oct 2009, 04:48
If I wanted to study in the Netherlands I wouldn't need to know Dutch (a "willingness to learn" is required) but since I already speak fairly good german and I want to keep it up anyway, it makes sense to go with that. I'm going to look into taking some language courses alongside my degree; the website is confusing but it looks possible.

Woo MA for free! Although I can't help feeling it devalues it a little.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: allison on 02 Oct 2009, 05:54
On a side note, I find it a little ridiculous that some Arts students have 13 hours of school per week. I have 22, and I know that engineering students have upwards of 30.

I'm at U of T too, and I'm an artsy. I have 15 hours of class a week, but about 30-45 hours of reading. Plus I'm working 30 hours a week at various jobs to pay for school. Less class time doesn't mean I don't work as hard.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 02 Oct 2009, 07:28
I have 20 hours of class time and about 10-15 hours of 'homework'* per class, one class I have twice a week so I have about 50-60 hours of planned homework as set for by proffs, I can usually shirk that down to about 40 hours but plus 20-25 hours a week at my job. I don't know about art(s) students but as an art student I actually have more hours of work than any of my friends in undergrad and more than several of my friends doing their masters(only the engineers are doing more school time). Also their classes are shorter and more managable but as I've stated earlier I have 4 and a half hour classes of emotional exhaustion.**


This is just a little rant that I have been getting used to because my friends quite often go,"Hey, come out with us" "Can't, drawing then analysis" "Oh whatever, skip it, you go to university to learn to colour" ">:CCCCCC RGRGRGR -click-"

Basically, oh my gosh I am so in love with my life.


*Staying at my school for over twenty hours and drawing pictures of fucking hats over and over and over til I can get the lighting perfect.

**This is an important thing to realize about any arts course(visual or otherwise), that analyzing and reading and creating and writing and being creative is very emotionally tiring and draining.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: supersheep on 02 Oct 2009, 07:57
Woo MA for free! Although I can't help feeling it devalues it a little.

Yeah no way am I gonna go for the whole buying an MA thing. I will earn extra letters after my name the proper way: paying a shedload of money and doing a shit-ton of work.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 02 Oct 2009, 08:21
In technical courses, if you understand the material, you don't have to do any work outside of class (I was a physics major).  With art (and music) classes, even if you understand, it requires practice and practice and practice.  For my 2 hour credit lesson classes (technical classes with labs were twice that) I would be practicing around 15 hours a week easy and that's not counting rehearsals and jam sessions (so that I could make money once the people I jammed with offered me gigs) that I had.  So, my music degree took far more work than my physics degree, despite the fact that my classes took more hours.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: The Cheesinator on 02 Oct 2009, 23:13

I'm at U of T too, and I'm an artsy. Less class time doesn't mean I don't work as hard.

This much is true. I'm not saying it's ridiculous that I should have to spend so much time in class and that you don't, but that that constitutes as a school week. I'm just a bit shocked, it's a fairly drastic change from the comparatively strict high school regimen of six hours at school day-in-day-out that I've been subjected to for the past four years. I feel like 22 is pretty slim as it is.
Admittedly I have little to read, just the textbooks in science and math, which I usually forgo anyway in favour of paying attention to lectures and doing the odd homework problem. Intro to Film Studies actually has a pretty interesting textbook, probably the only reading I look forward to doing.

I've got a part-time job, 16ish hours a week. Guess I'm saving off to pay my government student loan, if anything. Also, booze don't come for free.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 03 Oct 2009, 00:13
**This is an important thing to realize about any arts course(visual or otherwise), that analyzing and reading and creating and writing and being creative is very emotionally tiring and draining.

so is not doing this but not being creative. i think this is what "work" feels like
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 03 Oct 2009, 00:23
I just calculated and I only actually have about 16 hours a week but I'd estimate I have upwards of 40 hours of work depending on the week. I am constantly in the library ahhhh. plus I'm starting to get involved with like a ton of other things (doing an art collective, radio station, afterschool art program at the middle school, social committee, etc). I feel like here I'm turned to my highest setting 24/7. I have almost 0 downtime, except at 3:18 AM after turning in for the night. I'm enjoying school but oh my god boys please actually stop putting your hands on me ahhhh. except for one boy I actually like who I barely talk to :[

so inteeense.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: JD on 03 Oct 2009, 00:45
Man you guys are not making me feel good about whenever I go to college. (2 yearsssss)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Verergoca on 03 Oct 2009, 00:47
Soo, yesterday i found out that my boss actually kinda wants me to get a masters. Im currently doing a 1 day a week course on basic environmental law (as in, how do you write <piece of legislation>, what authority do i have etc), and after that, there are three more courses on soil, water and general environment they want me to go through. Should become interesting to see how many wildcards i can get based on my diploma :)

Just when you think your done with college/uni, the government sends you back!! :)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 Oct 2009, 02:15
I have eight hours of actual class every week.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 03 Oct 2009, 04:06
Dude, so do I. Is this just a Scottish Universities thing?

This week has pretty much been my first week of full term. My schedule works out so I have one lecture (or in Wednesday's case a seminar) every day so basically I have a lot of free time. Free time that I gotta learn how to use up that doesn't involve staying in my dorm all day.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 Oct 2009, 04:17
Free time you should have spent coming to see Fanfarlo.

Also, Glasgow University is really gorgeous. I mean, amazingly beautiful.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 03 Oct 2009, 04:22
I have 11 hours a week, and then like a bazillion hours of reading. Luckily, so far, all the reading is interesting so I am enjoying it!
There are two questions I am more-or-less guaranteed to be asked by anyone when I tell them what I am studying. Both of them I fear greatly and have struggled to answer when anyone has asked. The first is "What is Philosophy?"* and the second is "What jobs can you get with that?"


*It's everything, guys. It is whatever you study, but made more abstract.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 03 Oct 2009, 05:21
The first is "What is Philosophy?"* and the second is "What jobs can you get with that?"

I don't study that because of the second question. Actually, there is lots of stuff I decided not to study because of that, althoug I'm interested. But I still like to think I study math for the sake of studying math.

I have 29 hours a week, but nine of them are practice and often end an hour earlier. And two of them I had to choose from arts, social sciences, economy, and stuff. I chose music theory, which is quite relaxing. And physics is too easy atm, so we throw paper planes around and build paper ships that hover above some kind of long and narrow fan that's installed in front of the desks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 Oct 2009, 05:26
Actually, studying Philosophy is really good for getting jobs. If you've graduated with a degree in philosophy employers know that you've been taught to think and analyze properly, and usually that you're up to the challenge.

I hate having arguments (debates?) with people who take philosophy, cause they're so damned good at it usually.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ummmkay on 03 Oct 2009, 05:54
All these different ways of measuring hours are confusing! This semester I am taking 13 hours (breaks down to four real classes and one 1-hour class for fun) which is considered on the lighter end. You have to have 12 hours minimum to be considered a full-time student, and 15-16 is a normal semester. I have done 17-18 before, but it was pretty rough trying to juggle all those classes and labs, and keep my job too.

Someone said they had 29 or something- is that the way the university measures it, or your calculation of actual hours spent doing work? That number just seems absurdly high to me!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 03 Oct 2009, 06:49
Someone said they had 29 or something- is that the way the university measures it, or your calculation of actual hours spent doing work? That number just seems absurdly high to me!
It's supposed to be 45min-lessons, but they're rebels.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 03 Oct 2009, 08:59
I think mine is a little bit higher than normal cause I take 5 classes (most people do 4 or 5) and one is a 2.5 hour drawing class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 03 Oct 2009, 09:15
Actually, studying Philosophy is really good for getting jobs. If you've graduated with a degree in philosophy employers know that you've been taught to think and analyze properly, and usually that you're up to the challenge.

So, you're good for a job that requires no previous knowledge, but that tends to be very few.  With philosophy, it's easier to get into med school or law school and maybe a few others that don't require any previous knowledge.  However, when you graduate, it tends to be with very few marketable skills.  I'm not talking down to philosophy majors either.  I graduated with music and physics degrees.  The music is exceptionally useless, because you get the job based on how you play, not whether you have a piece of paper that says you're good at music.  The physics slightly less-so.  It tends to mean that I can do any technical job with a very small bit of training.  Unfortunately, I think most engineers were made fun of/shown up by physicists in school so they don't tend to hire us.  So, I'm getting a PhD in an engineering field.

*sigh*
Why am I in three bands?  Only one of them has any realistic hope of playing gigs (because we already have, and have more on the books), and none of them are music that I truly enjoy (jazz).  I need more time.  I motion to extend the week by a week.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Oct 2009, 02:17
I just arrived at uni and although my room is huge and has the best view (I picked the prettiest college and my window looks right out over the nicest gardens), there is no sink. It isn't a major problem because the bathroom is a couple doors one way and the kitchen a couple the other way, but it's kind of annoying to have to find my keys and go out the room just to wash my hands.

On the other hand: my room is awesome. I have a few pieces of antique furniture, a few pieces that look like they are antique, masses of book space and the world's smallest wardrobe. Tomorrow I'm going to speak to housekeeping about hanging some pictures because the picture hooks are about eight feet up and I can't reach them.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: SonofZ3 on 04 Oct 2009, 08:26
Actually, studying Philosophy is really good for getting jobs. If you've graduated with a degree in philosophy employers know that you've been taught to think and analyze properly, and usually that you're up to the challenge.

I hate having arguments (debates?) with people who take philosophy, cause they're so damned good at it usually.

I graduated with a Degree in Environmental Sciences, with Minors in English and Philosophy. That 5 years has done NOTHING for me in finding work since I graduated. The 5 months I spent in police academy has done a thousand times more than my 5 years in college. Really, the 8 months I spent doing GPS fieldwork and using GIS to create maps has done more for me than the rest of my college experience, as far as getting work.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Oct 2009, 08:46
i'm a little biased against philosophy majors, but admittedly this is based on the fact that the majority of people i knew who took philosophy in uni had parents who paid for every single one of their expenses and took anywhere from 5-8 years to finally get their degree just for the hell of it. i actually had the following conversation with one of my old roommates (one of the aforementioned students whose parents were paying for her entire education) a few months ago which was just a little bit shocking -

me: so what are you planning to do with philosophy after you graduate?
her: oh i'm going to get my master's degree in philosophy.
me: what are you going to do with a master's?
her: oh then i'm gonna get my phd.
me: no, no, i mean... what are you going to do for money?
her: oh. i don't know.

all judgments aside though, philosophy really is pretty tough and good preparation for a lot of other areas of study. just don't make plans to get a dang phd in it with your parent's money before you have at least some idea of what you want to do with your life.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: supersheep on 04 Oct 2009, 09:40
don't do philosophy

what i learned from my three years of philosophy:
a) you can basically never go to class and still get a 2.1
b) philosophy is bunk
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Oct 2009, 09:45
actually in hindsight i am in no place to judge when it comes to useless degrees because in april i graduated with an honour's degree in sociology and social psychology intending to find some sort of career in the criminal justice system and so far i have not one but TWO potential minimum wage retail employers look at my resume and issue the following comment - "oh wow, your sociology degree makes you just perfect for a job as a sales associate here".

 :|
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 04 Oct 2009, 13:14
I just arrived at uni and although my room is huge and has the best view (I picked the prettiest college and my window looks right out over the nicest gardens), there is no sink. It isn't a major problem because the bathroom is a couple doors one way and the kitchen a couple the other way, but it's kind of annoying to have to find my keys and go out the room just to wash my hands.

This setup is fairly common (in my experience).  I would have been surprised if there were a sink in your room.  Sounds much better than my room my first year, though.  I had a great view of the next building over.

all judgments aside though, philosophy really is pretty tough and good preparation for a lot of other areas of study. just don't make plans to get a dang phd in it with your parent's money before you have at least some idea of what you want to do with your life.

PhD's tend to not cost any money out-of-pocket.  Also, you get a stipend.  The humanities tend to have a smaler stipend, though (in my school, my program has the biggest stipend, which is awesome!).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 04 Oct 2009, 18:29
Christophe, what do you mean you are trying to figure out how to not stay in your dorm all day? Kelvingrove Park is right there. And the museum! And the Stand comedy club and the Uisge Beatha are not that far, and there are cool little hippie places like the Tchai-Ovna Tea House and museum of modern art and shit too! I mean if you are desperate go to the student union and get pissed on piss-beer. I have been to Glasgow all of four times in my life and I remember all this. If you can't come up with more shit to do than this I think maybe you are blind!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: MrBlu on 04 Oct 2009, 23:02
... I really hate this. I'm back in school and I'm up late doing homework. Except I'm procrastinating... Just like High School.

Anyways, I need to finish this because I love colleeeeeeeeeege but I'm going back to sleep, cuz' I have class at the beginning of the week... -_-
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 05 Oct 2009, 00:46
Katie I think it's more of trying to find people with whom I can do hanging-out stuff with. There's a show at the 13th Note I want to go to, but man that's like on the opposite end of town and most likely I'll need to find dudes with whom I could split a cab ride.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: scarred on 05 Oct 2009, 00:52
Urrrrgh fall quarter starts tomorrow, and I have a morning class (8am). Meaning, since I bike and take the ferry over to the city, that I have to wake up around 5:30 am. It's 1 right now. I may or may not sleep tonight.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 05 Oct 2009, 03:05
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! My first real class is in just under an hour, and cheerleading tryouts are tomorrow and Thursday, and I have to skip a class in my first week to make tryouts, but I really don't care because the uniform is purple and sparkly and made of so much awesome I am mad excited!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tyler on 05 Oct 2009, 18:43
Someone said they had 29 or something- is that the way the university measures it, or your calculation of actual hours spent doing work? That number just seems absurdly high to me!
It's supposed to be 45min-lessons, but they're rebels.

Most I ever did was 25 in a semester when I was majoring in Biomedical Engineering. Just about all of my classes were 4 credit monstrosities plus all these extra labs and the ethics of building bridges that won't fall and kill people 1 credit seminars. Now that I am in liberal arts, I am much better at planning homework over the course of a semester. For the grad classes I am taking, it is almost unthinkable not to not only be up on all of the readings, but to have done extra outside research on the topics at hand. However, for the grad classes, it is entirely conceivable to not do any readings until the week of an assignment or exam, and just cram it, exam it, forget it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 05 Oct 2009, 19:16
Tyler, I really want you to show up to Ted's on friday with that face paint.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: phooey on 05 Oct 2009, 19:17
what i learned from my three years of philosophy:
a) you can basically never go to class and still get a 2.1

Did you learn this from experience?  Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 05 Oct 2009, 20:12
I took 22 one semester and that was enough.  Of course, that included senior recital and senior research project.  I also had a long-distance relationship at the time.  I didn't even cut down on work that semester.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 05 Oct 2009, 20:13
Ummm....I spent an extra year at WSU because I never bothered to maintain the average 15 credits/semester that you needed to in order to graduate on time.


Some would call me a winner?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 06 Oct 2009, 02:36
Lots of the rooms here have a sink in them, but at the moment it is an issue dwarfed by the fact that there is NO HOT WATER IN THE WHOLE BUILDING and there hasn't been since yesterday morning.

Took a tour of the law library this morning. So many books! So much space to read! So many hours to spend there! I'm mad excited about using the enormous library.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 06 Oct 2009, 03:48
Class got canceled today. Now I basically have nothing to do!

Woo?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: supersheep on 06 Oct 2009, 08:45
Did you learn this from experience?  Tsk tsk.
hell yeah

i mean i was not as bad as my mate who missed 85% of classes in second year and still got a 2.1 (better than me too the bastard) but yeah that was largely my experience of philosophy.

also may you are extremely lucky that you go somewhere with a deposit library (or whatever they are called) because you basically have ALL the books.

apparently there are still around a hundred copies of the first edition of shakespeare's first folio still kicking around, which is quite a lot for a four hundred year old book
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 06 Oct 2009, 13:35
Just about all of my classes were 4 credit monstrosities
Only 4? The average of mine is 5.5 (6.2 if you don't count the completely non-math stuff). The biggest is analysis with 10. Is this that much or is it a different system?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 06 Oct 2009, 14:26
That must be a different system.  The maximum number of credit hours I've seen for any class has been 4, and his system seems to be the same as mine.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nobo on 06 Oct 2009, 15:32
credit hours = hours/week in class usually. so a MWF 1 hour class = TTh 1.5 hour class = 3 credit hours. MTWTh 1 hr class = TTH 2hr class = 4 credit hours.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 06 Oct 2009, 16:11
Or, a MWF 1hr OR TTh 1.5hr + 3 hr lab = 4 hours
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 06 Oct 2009, 23:40
So yeah, I've pretty much failed college this semester and life. I haven't turned in any homework so far and took a test that I couldn't answer a single question on.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 07 Oct 2009, 02:40
credit hours = hours/week in class usually.
That's the same with mine, but some courses have one additional point for homework.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 07 Oct 2009, 07:55
I've only ever encountered one class that has had more credits than the number of hours the class met per week and that was music lessons, but since I had to work at least two hours a day on practice for that class, I was okay with that.  Usually, the credits are fewer than the number of hours met per week (ensemble classes, also labs as I mentioned above).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 13 Oct 2009, 05:25
Took a tour of the law library this morning. So many books! So much space to read! So many hours to spend there! I'm mad excited about using the enormous library.
This is the thing that disappointed me most about my uni. A few minutes by foot down the road is the main Adelaide university (called, unexpectedly, Adelaide Uni) and they have a separate law library. The law library at my uni is a small section of one of four floors and is not very impressive to look at, even though it has far more than I will ever need to use and it's all online anyway.

And it is not that quiet.

Plus there is almost no greenery at my uni, just pavement and red light district.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 13 Oct 2009, 09:44
the people who ring the chapel bells at my school just played the lord of things music!!!! I must be the biggest nerd because this makes me so happy
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 13 Oct 2009, 09:56
they just did the harry potter theme and now they're doing the ducktails song (from the cartoon)
yaaaay college
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 13 Oct 2009, 12:36
I was once up until five in the morning with a lady watching duck tales smoking pot after having gone to a breakcore/hardcore club night.

True story.

University is awesome when you don't have assignments due in.

Oh hey 15 page report due on Thursday, how are you?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Oct 2009, 06:04
Funny things that have happened in lectures this week:


I'm enjoying this! Although our lecture halls are ridiculously warm and therefore wonderful breeding grounds for all the germs that are going around. Almost everyone is ill.

Last night was the law society cocktail party and it was awesome. I ended up walking back with three second-year lawyers from my college and one of their boyfriends, and all four of them at some point fell down (in the case of one girl, three times in a row). I hate to think what kind of state they were in during their nine o'clock lectures.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 14 Oct 2009, 07:22
i am having an incredibly hard time getting in touch with one of my professors in order to get a letter of reference because i think she has disappeared from the face of the earth for the next few months for maternity leave, and it's probably hell of rude for me to keep trying to contact her but i need her recommendation so bad because she's the professor who taught the course basically completely 100% related to what i want to do my thesis on and also i did really fantastic in that course and it would be immensely helpful to me to have her say good things about me pretty much.

should i just give up and leave her alone or keep trying to find a way to get in touch with her?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Oct 2009, 08:06
Providing she isn't actually hanging up the phone when you ring her, I think you're probably ok to keep attempting to contact her. What have you tried? If she isn't responding to a work email address is there any way you can get alternative contact details from somewhere? Maybe try writing to her; it's less invasive but more formal so might elicit an answer. Good luck!

Pee ess I have written fewer than 1000 words and I have run out of intelligent things to say, exhausted my ridiculously under-informed opinions about things I do not understand and am beginning to consider concocting an elaborate conspiracy theory about the influence of the praetor in the development of the civil law, involving dragons and chalices of poison.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: supersheep on 14 Oct 2009, 16:38
from what i remember of first year that is probably enough to get you a good two-one, maybe a first if you draw pictures of dragons in the margins
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 15 Oct 2009, 02:22
I'm transferring to Computer Science hell yeah!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 15 Oct 2009, 02:40
don't do it, just be a math major.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 15 Oct 2009, 02:41
don't do it, just be a math major.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 15 Oct 2009, 02:51
I'm transferring to Computer Science hell yeah!

Computer Science is good times. Don't listen to nay sayers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Puki on 15 Oct 2009, 02:55
I have to agree - I transferred from maths to computer science, and now I'm having much more fun.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 15 Oct 2009, 03:13
I don't like maths. Fortunately I only have to do one unit of maths so that's all good. Plus, Computer Science has 3D rendering and programming hell yes.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 Oct 2009, 03:43
Just had my first supervision (kind of scary) and it ran over almost half an hour so we've missed a lecture. Hopefully this won't happen every time or we will be missing a fair number of constitutional law lectures.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Oct 2009, 03:59
Last semester I took the first computer science class, it was easy, didn't need to study, and I got kind of lazy with the homework. Now I'm finding that two days really isn't enough time to do my java projects, especially when I have no goddamn idea how I am going to do what the teacher is asking. Why do good study habits have to be so much harder to get into than out of? Probably doesn't help that the language is just different enough from C++ that I can't remember what is supposed to be different for Java and what isn't.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 15 Oct 2009, 04:37
I moved to math from computer science because I learned a lot more computer science in math than I did in computer science. you'll learn a whole lot more about three dimensions in linear algebra/multivariable calculus/vector calculus than in any of your computer science classes. All you need to know about from those computer science classes is learning APIs. So, want to work as a software developer/game programmer or something, that's fine I suppose, be a computer science major. But all you need to learn is how to work with APIs and those design patterns and stuff. But if you want to be a real computer scientist then it's all in the math.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 15 Oct 2009, 07:21
So, want to work as a software developer/game programmer or something, that's fine I suppose, be a computer science major...

BINGO! :D
I'm so excited, even though my first class is monday at 9am and i have class from 9am-6pm on mondays :( still, EXCITING.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 15 Oct 2009, 09:27
I moved to math from computer science because I learned a lot more computer science in math than I did in computer science. you'll learn a whole lot more about three dimensions in linear algebra/multivariable calculus/vector calculus than in any of your computer science classes. All you need to know about from those computer science classes is learning APIs. So, want to work as a software developer/game programmer or something, that's fine I suppose, be a computer science major. But all you need to learn is how to work with APIs and those design patterns and stuff. But if you want to be a real computer scientist then it's all in the math.

Man, that's not true at all. Maybe not where you studied, but here I've had pretty intensive courses on algorithms, all the maths you mentioned, and computer theory in general as opposed to 'just learning the API'. I'm pretty good friends with some of the maths students here, and they've been shocked by the amounts of maths we have to do.

If your course is just learning the API however, then yeah, you'll probably not learn much, but this doesn't hold for the way Computer Science is taught around the world. With us, you're already expected to know the API.

Also, we usually do a shit load more writing than most Humanities courses at our University. Both analytical and reports.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, with Computer Science you're going to be learning a lot. Maths, how to write formally, how to deal with clients, team management, requirements analysis, effective algorithm solving, plus whatever else that you choose to study including the 3D animation. Of course, I guess this is all dependent on the way that your CS department decides to teach.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 15 Oct 2009, 09:32
I'm transferring to Computer Science hell yeah!

What from? The closest thing I have to a regret about a past decision is not studying computer science or art as an undergrad, and even that I don't really regret because I like biology.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 15 Oct 2009, 09:37
From Entertainment Technology, which is like loads of different kinds of media production. Not what I wanted at all.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 15 Oct 2009, 10:04
Ah, that's pretty much what I meant by "art" actually, media production courses. Since that's what I teach now, it makes it ironic that I never took classes in that stuff.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 15 Oct 2009, 12:06
I guess what I'm trying to say is, with Computer Science you're going to be learning a lot. Maths, how to write formally, how to deal with clients, team management, requirements analysis, effective algorithm solving, plus whatever else that you choose to study including the 3D animation. Of course, I guess this is all dependent on the way that your CS department decides to teach.

Some places teach it in preparation for people becoming code monkeys (which, let's face it, is the most likely job that people who graduate with their degree will get), but good places basically do turn it into something of an applied math degree.  Either way, it's extremely important to understand at least linear algebra and logic extremely well if you're actually going to be able to think critically about what you're doing, because that's how computers do things.  I have to write a lot of code, and the fact that I didn't give a shit about linear algebra (because the only reason physicists ever have to take that class is the concept of eigenvalues and eigenvectors) is really coming to bite me in the ass, because though what I'm doing is rather simple, I have to design and carry out all of my programs myself (even if I did trust real programmers with what I was trying to do with my program, I'm at the dead bottom of the heap here as a grad student.  Even undergrads take precedence over me).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 15 Oct 2009, 21:20
Yeah I pretty much feel that way. I am now trying to get into this post-grad course for the third year running. I didn't get in the first year because I didn't have the marks, I didn't get in the second year because I was told the wrong closing date for the applications and if I don't get in this year then I'm just going to try and get a job in a book shop, do a business course at TAFE (kind of like a community college kind of thing I guess but they do apprenticeships and stuff as well) and open up a comic shop maybe?

Try speaking to the other professors that you know, see what you can drum up. No reason to stop trying until you've exhausted all your options (or you stop caring, either one).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 16 Oct 2009, 01:40
Man, that's not true at all. Maybe not where you studied, but here I've had pretty intensive courses on algorithms, all the maths you mentioned, and computer theory in general as opposed to 'just learning the API'. I'm pretty good friends with some of the maths students here, and they've been shocked by the amounts of maths we have to do.

ok, what I was trying to say is that if you just want to be a software developer then all you need to learn is how to use APIs. your job will probably not involve some intense tree counting algorithm that you learned in your algorithms and data structures class.

What I'm saying is that if you're really interested in things like tree counting algorithms and the actual computer science bit of it, then really math is a more direct way to it and, as far as I've experienced, has given me more to build off of to make my own algorithms better.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 16 Oct 2009, 02:06
if you just want to be a software developer then all you need to learn is how to use APIs.

This also explains why so much software these days is complete crap.  Good programming requires understanding, guys!


And now Tommy's requirement, in an appropriately explanatory form:
(http://cassland.org/images/capybara_bw.GIF)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 Oct 2009, 04:20
Did you just happen to have that lying around in your computer, on the off-chance that it might come in handy?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 16 Oct 2009, 05:55
If the answer is no I will be thoroughly disappointed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 16 Oct 2009, 07:00
It's so passé  to keep everything in your computer - it's all about having stuff in the cloud (http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,5466,00.html)  these days.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 16 Oct 2009, 14:39
Oh god mid-term review Oh god mid-term review Oh god mid-term review. This is the point mid-term where everyone tells me I suck, I am going to need a heavy drink come friday.

(also, everything keeps going wrong technologically for me this week, :C!)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 16 Oct 2009, 15:10
(also, everything keeps going wrong technologically for me this week, :C!)

A few weeks before my junior standing juries (they're twice as long as normal juries, five times as hard and determine whether you get to become a junior in the music program or don't get to complete the degree) my bass broke.  Badly.  It ended up spending a month in the shop because people who had owned it before me had been stupid (wood glue instead of bone glue to put the top back on after it had been removed).  I ended up passing, but I freaked out hardcore before that jury.

Good luck on your mid-term stuff.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 18 Oct 2009, 11:18
What is a major in "video games"? I would assume you meant majoring in video game development, but that's not how your post sounds.

Also, if that was supposed to be a joke, sorry for taking your joke seriously.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 18 Oct 2009, 12:29
In that case, you need to realize that developing a game is a lot of work, and that just because you like playing games doesn't mean you'll like making them. I mean, if you already realize that stuff then great, but your post sounds a little like you want to major in game development in order to escape work and play games all day, in which case you might just be setting yourself up for a lot of failure. You could spend all your time playing games in class and nobody would call you on it since it is a game design class, but you won't accomplish anything and you will fail.

Also, if you aren't aware of the difference then make sure to look up the terms "game designer," "game artist," and "game developer." That last one is a bit of a pet peeve of mine; a lot of schools gets those words wrong, possibly on purpose to mislead students they are recruiting but more likely simply out of ignorance because the administration doesn't know the words. Hopefully I can get the game development program at Columbia College to change its name, because it's misnamed right now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 18 Oct 2009, 13:26
That's mostly correct, and it's correct in the important part, that game designers aren't game artists. A lot of schools seem to think game designers are visual artists, because they associate term "design" with graphic design, while Columbia College calls its program "game design" but it really ought to be "game development."

A game developer isn't a separate position from game designer or game artist; "game developer" is an umbrella term for anyone who has a hand in the creation of a game, so game designers and game artists are both game developers. This creates a little confusion for web design companies that want to get games for their websites since in the lingo of web design companies "designer" is pretty much a synonym for a visual artist, while "developer" is a synonym for programmer. It seems anal, and well it is, but these confusions of terminology also matter when you start having teams of people interacting and relying on each other to take care of different tasks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 18 Oct 2009, 13:31
So school is making me really depressed and is making me hate myself more than anything else in my entire life and I hate art and I am probably going to have to drop out because my loan came in and it's not even enough to cover my tuition so I'm fucked.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 18 Oct 2009, 13:41
Video game development actually seems like the worst field to get into.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dimmukane on 18 Oct 2009, 13:42
I resent that remark.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 18 Oct 2009, 14:36
Video game development actually seems like the worst field to get into.


:cry:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 18 Oct 2009, 15:20
In 1968, when I was at uni, I decided that computing (programming, whatever) would be a dead-end boring job for a career, so I went to join the BBC as a studio manager in what they called the music division.  Since 1970 my career has been in computing (and sound recording has been a big, big hobby too).

My point is simply that prediction of what will or will not be a good career is probably a mugs game, and you should go with what you most want to do now - as you will probably give it your best shot*.  For the future, I would bet that deep game development skills would be highly transferable into fields of computer use that haven't appeared yet.


* OK, but I won't take the blame if you make an idiotic choice.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 18 Oct 2009, 15:54
Video game development actually seems like the worst field to get into.


:cry:

I mean like it seems like it would be stressful and no fun at all for something that seems fun. to me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 18 Oct 2009, 18:22
that's very true.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 18 Oct 2009, 19:12
Oh, midterm tomorrow. Definitely shouldn't have spent the weekend with my sister getting drunk at oktoberfest... But I did get a bitchin' german hat. I can just wing for a labour economics exam right?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 18 Oct 2009, 19:18
That's probably about what I'm going to do on my waveguides mid-term on Tuesday.

If you take a physics course/course that involves physics, be careful with your work.  If your professor asks you to prove something and you've made a mistake along the way, don't get to the last step and just write the correct answer.  This will get extra points taken off.  A lot of my undergrads have done this.  It's getting really annoying around now.  Also, it's an easy algebra proof.  They're just substituting variables for other variables.  How do they make so many mistakes?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Oct 2009, 19:35
Ugh. I have two computer science tests this week, and I think the flu finally caught up to me. I actually hope it lasts long enough to keep me from my test on Tuesday, because I need to study for that one some, and if I get better Tuesday morning, that doesn't give me any time to study. At least I'm sure the teacher will let me make up the tests, since she has been out with various things twice this semester already, and she knows how bad an idea it is to test while you aren't completely recovered.

Game design is actually one of the worst computer fields from what I have heard. Lower pay than other fields, unpaid overtime near deadlines and it probably doesn't help that there are two dozen people just lining up at the door for your job if you aren't happy with it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dimmukane on 18 Oct 2009, 20:52
stop shitting on our dreams
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Oct 2009, 21:33
The more of you I discourage, the less compete with me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 19 Oct 2009, 04:34
Man I have so much reading to do for my supervision in two and a half hours but I cannot be bothered plus I have a ton of washing to hang up because I maybe kinda spilt orange juice all over my bed sorta so all the bedding is in the wash plus all my clothes cause hell I'm not paying £1.40 to wash twice in one week do you think I'm made of money?


ETA: I am going to have to wash twice anyway because half of the stuff didn't come clean anyway. GODDAMIT I DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE TWENTY PENCE PIECES. I've already been to the porters' lodge to get change once today, I don't want to go again!

Today I hate university.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 19 Oct 2009, 04:46
The more of you I discourage, the less compete with me.

Good call.

Don't do Comp Sci guys. It's a shit load of work, you won't learn anything useful at all, you'll become a giant stress ball, you won't ever get to socialize with anyone who's just a bit normal, you'll spend lectures on the QC forums having given up on understanding how to calculate canonical coordinates of each pixel in an image without using openGL, you'll hobble home at five in the morning after spending hours in the computing labs trying to implement a better algorithm than quicksort, all this along with the job you're doing to support all the fast food you've been eating because cooking takes up too much time which has as a result made you unbelievably fat, and eventually just turn to alcohol to solve all of your lives problems, give up on having a normal career because face it you're going to be a code monkey, get drunk while staring at a computer screen while trying to prove the balmer's peak, and eventually find yourself at the top of your eight story computing lab contemplating live's intricate moments.

Unless you get a kick out of all of that of course.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 19 Oct 2009, 08:07
The "don't do CS" bits reminded me of this (http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html).  Specifically the final line.  In undergrad, we asked our advanced lab instructor if he would give us a pity 'D' if we turned that lab report in (or one similar, obviously).  He told us we would get a pity 'F.'
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 19 Oct 2009, 11:50
YES GRANTS YES I CAN PAY FOR SCHOOL THIS YEAR YEAH
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 19 Oct 2009, 15:54
w00t!  Congrats.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 19 Oct 2009, 15:54
Don't do Comp Sci guys. It's a shit load of work, you won't learn anything useful at all, you'll become a giant stress ball, you won't ever get to socialize with anyone who's just a bit normal, you'll spend lectures on the QC forums having given up on understanding how to calculate canonical coordinates of each pixel in an image without using openGL, you'll hobble home at five in the morning after spending hours in the computing labs trying to implement a better algorithm than quicksort, all this along with the job you're doing to support all the fast food you've been eating because cooking takes up too much time which has as a result made you unbelievably fat, and eventually just turn to alcohol to solve all of your lives problems, give up on having a normal career because face it you're going to be a code monkey, get drunk while staring at a computer screen while trying to prove the balmer's peak, and eventually find yourself at the top of your eight story computing lab contemplating live's intricate moments.

Unless you get a kick out of all of that of course.

This post was like poetry to me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lunchbox on 19 Oct 2009, 16:30
Jens and Gemm:
http://www.gamasutra.com/

The reality is that making games is fun but a lot (a LOT) of hard work and very frustrating most of the time so you better make sure it's what you really want to do. Also there are so many varied roles in the making of a game it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 19 Oct 2009, 16:37
The way my teacher explained it to us was that you knew that computer science is right for you if your reaction to getting something to compile is to get up and dance, or at least want to. I'm pretty sure the exception is when you re-write half of your code over two days only to find a misplaced or missing semicolon. Yes, that has happened to me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 19 Oct 2009, 16:46
Haha, misplaced semicolon, that's cute.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 19 Oct 2009, 16:50
Oh, I'm only on my second semester, I'm sure there will be plenty more time to find tiny mistakes that I should have noticed with my first once-over after it failed to compile.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 19 Oct 2009, 17:10
My favorite is when you make a small mistake that results in the code going, but not working right.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 19 Oct 2009, 17:32
My favorite are segfaults.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dimmukane on 19 Oct 2009, 17:41
I somehow wrote a small mutator for Unreal Tournament 3 that did the exact opposite of what I wanted it to do.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 19 Oct 2009, 17:51
reversed relational at the beginning of the code?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: JD on 19 Oct 2009, 20:48
The more of you I discourage, the less compete with me.
ಠ_ಠ
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 19 Oct 2009, 21:09
application preparation update: nothing is okay and everything is horrible forever
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 19 Oct 2009, 21:14
sick and midterm week and ahhhhhh

on the bright side, I have a plan (studio art major with a concentration in architecture)

yaaaay

also here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJT66Zn6yOM) is a video about all the places to party at my school (my dorm is mentioned of course)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: JD on 19 Oct 2009, 21:28
Also there is a high likelihood I am going to Uvic. Hoorah bunnies
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 20 Oct 2009, 06:01
So after 4 hours of sleep Sunday morning, I woke up at like 2:30 and then proceeded to pull an overnight working on two midterms that I did not bother to do earlier in the weekend. I went to sleep at 4:30 yesterday.

It is weird that I haven't done this in so long.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 20 Oct 2009, 06:24
when you re-write half of your code over two days only to find a misplaced or missing semicolon.

I fucking hate it when programming tools don't tell you what line the error was on. Obviously there's no way the compiler can identify run-time errors for you, but it should be easy for the compiler to highlight the line it was on when it was confused by a missing token or whatever, so whenever a compiler doesn't do that it's just because the person who wrote the compiler is a lazy idiot.

Also, people who think compile-time errors are bad are sadly mistaken; for the reason I just pointed out above, that most compilers can easily point out where the compile-time error is located, the real horrors are run-time or logic errors since the computer provides no clue where the error is and simply does something other than what you wanted (ie. what bastardous bassist was referring to.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 20 Oct 2009, 08:03
I got an email back from the application people at the uni I'm applying for. They said that they didn't receive half the forms I sent through and that I'd need to send out new copies. I politely replied that it would be impossible for me to resend them by the closing date as I would need to get new original copies of the forms sent through from my old uni but that I sent the required forms in a separate envelope to a different section of the uni because that is what it said to do on the forms. I just got a reply today. Before I tell you what they said, know this: all the uni admin people I have ever spoken with over the last four years have either been rude, stupid, inefficient or a horrid combination of all three. The email I received in reply said "Oh, I'll check with the faculty to see if they received your forms. I'll let you know if there's anything you need to resend."

This is the fastest and most reasonable interaction I have ever had with an admin person. So long as they actually do what they say they will I might have to find them and hug them personally.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Oct 2009, 08:09
Jimmy, it sounds like things are maybe working out your way! I hope they keep up until you have finally managed to take the degree and do awesomely in it!

I have to send a bunch of stuff to the ice hockey team captain so that she can register us all for the game on Saturday, so I went to scan my driver's licence and college ID. It came out as an illegible black smudge but I've sent it anyway as you can just about see my name on both of them and there is no other option. I also need a letter confirming my attendance at the college, so I had to go to the tutorial office where the lady is up to her ears in passports and visas (we have a lot of international students) and ask her to write me a letter by tomorrow. I felt kind of bad but I need it by tomorrow and we were only told last night.

Today is a kind of grey day, both in weather and in mood. I think I'm still recovering from last night when I was really miserable and crying a lot (partly sleep deprivation). Hopefully sprint training and dance tonight will cheer me up completely! Also I've given myself the day off from work to get stuff like paperwork and shopping sorted, so that's nice. I might even watch a film later.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Oct 2009, 11:28
I fucking hate it when programming tools don't tell you what line the error was on.

I don't know if this sort of thing is common, but matlab tells you on what line it encountered an error (chronologically), not what line gave the error, so if you call a function from earlier in the program that is completely fucked up, the call to the function is where it says the error is, despite the fact that the function is creating the error.  It's lots of fun when you're trying to numerically solve some crazy equations and you make a mistake in one of the equations.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 20 Oct 2009, 13:01
I don't even know why I'm studying for this test, I've not turned in any homework in the class so far and I made a 0 on the last test, you'd think it'd just be futile by now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Oct 2009, 13:51
I fucking hate it when programming tools don't tell you what line the error was on.

I don't know if this sort of thing is common, but matlab tells you on what line it encountered an error (chronologically), not what line gave the error, so if you call a function from earlier in the program that is completely fucked up, the call to the function is where it says the error is, despite the fact that the function is creating the error.  It's lots of fun when you're trying to numerically solve some crazy equations and you make a mistake in one of the equations.
If you are saying what I think you are, Eclipse and Visual C++ do that too, I haven't used any others yet. Lots of fun for first semester me trying to figure out what the hell was wrong with a line that was nothing but an open brace, when the problem was really with the line above it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Oct 2009, 14:04
Dear Uni/College thread,

I am in the midst of what is probably my worst week so far in the first semester of my first year at college.  I'm almost two months into freshman year, and I still haven't figured out how to handle the ridiculous amount of academic work that I've been saddled with.  I thought that I would finally be able to really start working at my academics (unlike in high school, when I didn't work at all), because I would be motivated by subjects I was interested in.  I guess I thought wrong.  I find myself more and more reluctant to even start the readings for all my classes, I never do the practice problems for my calculus course (which are ungraded, but would probably be helpful, considering how bad at math I am).  This week I have a philosophy paper due and a midterm in my theater course, and I haven't started writing the paper or studying for the midterm.  And I'm planning on majoring in theater and philosophy, so I feel like if I should be motivated in any courses it is those courses..  Instead of doing work, I just seem to sit around all day and waste time on my computer, listening to music, or cleaning my room and doing laundry.  The only things that I get really excited about are rehearsal for the play I'm in and rehearsal for my a cappella group.  My weekends are taken over by socializing and more sitting around in anticipation of socializing.  I feel like I really need to step up and kick my own ass into gear, but every time I try I end up relapsing back to my previous state of stagnation.  The worst part is that I really do care about some of my courses (I really want to do well in philosophy and theater), but I can't get myself to put in the effort to make them rewarding.

Poop.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 20 Oct 2009, 14:16
try going to the library and sitting in a visible place. knowing other people can see you makes it harder to procrastinate, and usually the urge to clean takes over in your room. in faaaact I'm going to go RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 20 Oct 2009, 14:29
So out of curiosity, what sorts of jobs is uni supposed to be preparing us for? I mean, what job out there requires 40 hours of extra stuff on your own time? I know English professors have to be published every few years to keep their tenure at some schools, but I can't think of anything else that requires this sort of personal dedication and sacrifice outside of the workplace. Office bitches don't usually take anything home with them, and neither do mechanics, or airline pilots, or computer analysts, or restaurant managers, or Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, or any sales or retail or food-service job I can think of. So what, then?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: evilbobthebob on 20 Oct 2009, 14:35
I find university a slightly depressing prospect because of this. Mostly it seems to be preparing you to become a researcher/lecturer in the field you study, at a university. Of course this is only likely to happen if you go all the way to a doctorate.  :|

In fact at one university I visited, a professor there had originally been a student, and never left. He's been there for over 40 years.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Oct 2009, 14:49
I think in theory it is meant to be learning for learning's sake, but obviously people are very career-driven. It depends what you're doing; I'm taking law so there's an assumption I will be a lawyer (in which case of course I will have a lot of work to take home with me), and if you do medicine then ditto, lots of hours. For less specific subjects I guess it is about study for its own merits.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lunchbox on 20 Oct 2009, 14:57
My manager is on a holiday in LA right now and still instantly replies to the millions of inter-office emails we cc him in on. But I guess that's just him, and not really a requirement of his job.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 20 Oct 2009, 15:00
So out of curiosity, what sorts of jobs is uni supposed to be preparing us for? I mean, what job out there requires 40 hours of extra stuff on your own time? I know English professors have to be published every few years to keep their tenure at some schools, but I can't think of anything else that requires this sort of personal dedication and sacrifice outside of the workplace. Office bitches don't usually take anything home with them, and neither do mechanics, or airline pilots, or computer analysts, or restaurant managers, or Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, or any sales or retail or food-service job I can think of. So what, then?

Well three responses. One, it varies a lot by the field of study. For example, what evilbob said is kind of true of a lot of fields of study (eg. Art History.) There are other fields like, say, business school which are more directly about training people to excel in office employment. What you think this says about the various fields of study is a different matter, but there you go.

Two, while it is true that your average office bitch isn't continuing to think about work outside of work, it is also the case that nobody considers "office bitch" a desirable end goal for a career. As for airline pilots, computer analysts, restaurant managers, or (especially!) software entrepreneurs (and remember, while once they became mega-billionaires life become a lot different for them, at first Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were hungry software entrepreneurs,) they most certainly are exercising a great deal of personal dedication and sacrifice outside of the workplace. I can't imagine a restaurant manager (again, here I'm thinking of something more demanding than simply a manager at TGI Friday's) who doesn't love the restaurant business and spend huge chunks of time constantly learning new things about their business, keeping on top of the latest trends in their business, networking with other people in their business, etc. Guess what? They probably aren't doing all that while actually at the restaurant.

Finally, studying at university isn't supposed to be job training. A lot of people think that it is/should be for various reasons (some good and some bad) but the fact remains that it is not job training, anymore than the point of making everyone study algebra in highschool is because everyone is going to use algebra on their eventual job. If what you want is job training, well that is what vocational schools are for (and community colleges, which is why Obama's administration has been pushing community colleges as a key to getting our economy moving again.) University study is not about job training and more about things like developing your breadth of knowledge and enriching how good you are at thinking and reasoning. Again, what you think of how well they accomplish that goal and how necessary that goal even is is a different matter.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 15:04
Not really a big fan of universities due to some of the things Jhocking just mentioned, to be perfectly honest.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lunchbox on 20 Oct 2009, 15:06
Quote from: jho
University study is not about job training and more about things like developing your breadth of knowledge and enriching how good you are at thinking and reasoning.

And time management!
Nicely worded, Hocking.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 20 Oct 2009, 15:09
I would say I'm good at answering that question because I actually teach in college, but the fact is that an alarmingly large number of my colleagues would not be able to come up with an answer to that question other than "shut up, I'm the teacher, do what I tell you!"
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 20 Oct 2009, 15:12
This is a subject that has come up a lot lately because people always ask me what I plan on doing WITH my Art Degree. I really dislike the idea that most people only go to university for the following reasons: Job/career, they're expected to, party, or fear of not doing it. I would elaborate on what I mean, Joe has explained most of it but there's a few other things that I think are important to bring up.

But I am just too tired from ALL THE LEARNING
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thomas Edison on 20 Oct 2009, 15:28
Doing my UCAS application wheee.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 15:54
In a vacuum I'd be a bigger proponent of learning for learning's sake, but when you add in the level of bureaucracy and stress that is part and parcel of the university experience I become a bit more critical of it, particularly since society does expect people to work and there's some real social consequences attached to the cost of attaining the credentials needed to do so. In all honesty, I wouldn't really be enthusiastic about my kid wanting to go to art school with the world being what it is. I also believe that it wouldn't really be my call, and that I'd wish them well, but it's not really a path I'd recommend if you have a passion for other fields. Then again, you can't always choose what you love, I guess.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: SonofZ3 on 20 Oct 2009, 15:56
This is a subject that has come up a lot lately because people always ask me what I plan on doing WITH my Art Degree. I really dislike the idea that most people only go to university for the following reasons: Job/career, they're expected to, party, or fear of not doing it. I would elaborate on what I mean, Joe has explained most of it but there's a few other things that I think are important to bring up.

But I am just too tired from ALL THE LEARNING

College is such a huge financial burden on most people that they (rightly) expect it to pay off monetarily down the road. Some majors appear to certain people to be less likely to afford them that monetary security, so they wonder why people choose that major. If you realize that a lot of students spend 12 YEARS paying off the debt from their schooling, you can understand why that aspect of their education is more pressing  than personal growth.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 20 Oct 2009, 16:09
The way universities and colleges are set up in the US, I would never want to be a career student, even if it were free. I do not want to go for a grade and a piece of paper, either, but that is what they want. Those grades and pieces of paper are apparently necessary to get a job (even unrelated to my degree, but that is a different can of worms), so I am doing that to get a job so I can pursue studies in my own fields of interest without all the administrative and bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 20 Oct 2009, 16:21
Dear Uni/College thread,
...rant...
Poop.

This sounds a lot like my freshman year in college, the way I have finally decided to deal with it after 3 years is to quit college.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 20 Oct 2009, 16:22
This is a subject that has come up a lot lately because people always ask me what I plan on doing WITH my Art Degree. I really dislike the idea that most people only go to university for the following reasons: Job/career, they're expected to, party, or fear of not doing it. I would elaborate on what I mean, Joe has explained most of it but there's a few other things that I think are important to bring up.

But I am just too tired from ALL THE LEARNING

College is such a huge financial burden on most people that they (rightly) expect it to pay off monetarily down the road. Some majors appear to certain people to be less likely to afford them that monetary security, so they wonder why people choose that major. If you realize that a lot of students spend 12 YEARS paying off the debt from their schooling, you can understand why that aspect of their education is more pressing  than personal growth.

Personally I find the idea of money taking precedence over humanity/learning in any case revolting, whether it's by choice or circumstance. It's fair to want to pay off your debts(I should know, I will probably take about 25 ears), and it's fair to want a stable job, but I think that universities are too focused on the career/money aspect of education lately, it makes it very shallow. When you focus on the career/aftermath/monetary cost of your education more than actually what's going on you lose out on a lot.

This makes no sense right now, I might come back later.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 16:38
Knowledge is a beautiful thing and all, but people have families to feed and a lot of universities run in part off of public funds. That some people value education enough to decide that they are within their rights to require people to cover multiple areas of study despite primarily being interested in the pursuit of a specific degree and field hits me as frankly rather arrogant. I don't mean to come off as the defender of ignorance here, but I question whether it's really the best way to help the most people.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 20 Oct 2009, 16:53
Go to Germany and be railroaded into your field of study in 6th grade, then.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Eris on 20 Oct 2009, 16:55
I think that was one of the major issues I had when I was at uni, and why I got less and less enthusiastic about it. I was essentially going there for the sake of learning, because it was a degree that probably wouldn't get me a good job anywhere, so I could choose things that interested me, and that seemed great! But the reality of it was that I was unemployed and had very little money and going to uni to jump through hoops to get a piece of paper made me not care about any of the subjects. I had to do a certain amount of specific subjects to get my majors, so I ended up doing classes I didn't want to, which also didn't help, and I ultimately felt like I had to go to uni, rather than wanting to be there, and it was just going to result in my having a fairly large debt on my shoulders.

Talking to fatty about it she said something which made a lot of sense to my head, which was "You seem to be interested in these things, it's just the way uni went about teaching it isn't good for you." And she was right. All the time I felt like I had to rush through topics that interested me to do assignments that didn't interest me; I just wanted to go back and learn more about the little parts of it. I think if I do something like Open Universities here (it's a correspondence course, that you can do one subject at a time if you want) then I might not feel so incredibly stressed to try and get everything done at once, because I have left everything to the last minute because I just don't care.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 20 Oct 2009, 17:06
One of the things I need to look into is whether I'm just going to get a technical certificate in TV production at this community college, or if I want to try for the AA. IF I can transfer the majority of my general education classes from many years ago when I attempted physics at university, I may go for the AA since I might only need to fill in a couple of general ed classes. If I can't, then there's no way I'm sitting through all that again. The chances are good since both are state schools here.

I must say, I did mostly enjoy the general ed classes the first time around, and I really do think they helped me understand more about the world, but right now I have more immediate goals in obtaining a job out of all this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 17:09
Go to Germany and be railroaded into your field of study in 6th grade, then.

False dilemma.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 20 Oct 2009, 17:24
I think y'all need to get more friendly with your profs, most of them do what they do for the love of knowledge. They tend to hate the monetary and bureaucratic bullcrap as much as students, but the bullcrap is necessary to make the education system work. Is the whole education system busted? Maybe, but that's a whole other debate. If you're in university fighting the stress, and insane workloads, and finding yourself totally unmotivated for things that you should be loving, spending time with your profs can really help pick you up. Profs are people too, students in a lecture tend to be faceless, but one on one you can connect with people on another level. Get a faculty bar night going! Go into their office for help with a problem and turn it into a larger conversation about your field of study and life and whatever. Forget about the grades and the piece of paper you're working for, it's the smart people you meet and get to know along the way that really give you the skills you need in life and your profession, whatever it ends up being.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 20 Oct 2009, 17:51
(Or swooning at how handsome they are in their Sonic Youth Tee)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 20 Oct 2009, 17:54
note to self: buy sonic youth tee
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 20 Oct 2009, 18:00
Joe I would probably have a crush on you if you taught my Video Class too.

You'd need more tattoos though. Work on that.

(I have always been hot for teacher, I seem to keep getting at least one attractive teacher a year. Yeaah.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 20 Oct 2009, 18:06
I went to a boys school for junior high school. Any female teacher who was not a complete uggo was automatically an attractive teacher on account of the fact that they were the only women we'd come into regular contact with.

So far with uni I just tend to get crushes on the hot goth chicks I see around campus.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 20 Oct 2009, 18:17
I get crushes at least 10 times a day.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Spluff on 20 Oct 2009, 18:35
quit hogging all the crushes andy
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Oct 2009, 18:38
(I have always been hot for teacher, I seem to keep getting at least one attractive teacher a year. Yeaah.)

I have yet to have a teacher I have found attractive, and that's extremely likely to continue.  There was one history teacher who wasn't completely unattractive, but that's it (there were a number of attractive teachers at my undergrad institution, just none of them taught my classes).

On the subject of Universities, I have an interesting point of view.  I got two undergraduate degrees: physics and music.  Neither is particularly useful for a job, but both teach things that are useful to get a job.  I've made a living for several years applying what I learned in music school and now I am going to graduate school for a PhD using knowledge acquired from my physics education.

Now, I also had general education requirements.  My college had more than the average, because they called themselves a "liberal arts" school.  Why should I pay money to take classes that have no value when it comes to getting a job?  Well, my general education classes help me be a person who can have an intelligent conversation about multiple subjects.  They also help me be an informed voter when it comes time to cast my ballot.  Both of these result in me having a life that is more enriched, which has value to me.

Now on to my PhD.  I am not going into academia.  I am going into industry.  "Why are you getting a PhD?  That's just going to help you do research!" I hear you exclaim.  Actually, it teaches me to solve problems in my area of expertise.  It teaches me to think fundamentally, so that I know what sort of results I'm getting.  It also teaches me the fundamentals so that I can apply them in a way different from just "attach these things together and this happens because that's what I was told."  Both of these combine to result in making me able to do things.  As a result, people with PhD's are given more responsibility and cooler assignments than people with only a bachelor's or even with a master's.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 19:42
I just wish there was more middle ground between votechs, community colleges and universities, that's all.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: JD on 20 Oct 2009, 19:43
I quite liked my old history teacher. She read Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman books, and had half naked photos of herself on Facebook. We also went out drinking with her when we finished the school year!
Pretty sure she couldn't get a job in the states if she had photos like that on public domain.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 20 Oct 2009, 19:46
Depends on the district. They won't check for shit like that in a low-income district, but for middle class and up there is no chance she would have been hired.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 20 Oct 2009, 20:02
Go to Germany and be railroaded into your field of study in 6th grade, then.

False dilemma.


Ok, sorry. Go to Germany and take an aptitude test in 6th grade, then be placed by what you're like and what you're good at at 13 or 14 and possibly be working an apprenticeship in your career by 15 or 16. Do I need to go through Hauptschule and Realschule and Gymnasium and cross-overs individually? I am pretty sure that would be boring for most people.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 20 Oct 2009, 20:05
Pretty sure she couldn't get a job in the states if she had photos like that on public domain.

That's because America is ridiculous. It's naked skin, which is less than ten seconds away on google whenever you're seated at a computer with an internet connection.

Yes, but we Americans like to think that if you are willing to show a little skin online you have no problem having sex with all of your students!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nobo on 20 Oct 2009, 20:13
I really dislike the idea that most people only go to university for the following reasons: Job/career

I know I'm a bit late to the game here... but why else go to college if not to further your future career?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Oct 2009, 20:16
To add value to your life?  Important points to remember about college:

1)  A large percentage of people get a job completely unrelated to their degree.

2)  Just having a degree makes someone more employable.

3)  There are some degrees that people actually enjoy working their asses off to complete (I got a music degree despite the fact that there is really no conceivable tangible benefit for me to complete that degree).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 20:24
I wasn't questioning your statement, Calenlass, I just don't care about the German system. Changing the model employed by US universities doesn't mean that we must adopt Germany's model, which is why I shrugged off the comment with the admittedly dismissive "false dilemma" post. My issue with the German system actually stems from my same central complaint about the US model: the curriculum is more rigid than I would like to see. The German system tends to funnel people into a narrow career trajectory at a young age. On a personal note, I was a troubled child in many ways; I'm sure they would have found a nice McDonald's for me to flip burgers in, since what little potential I have certainly wasn't on display back in junior high. I wouldn't have been very happy with that setup either. But the US alternative of having to take a broad array of course work at great financial cost isn't a good for fit everyone and in some cases isn't even financially plausible. As Jhocking pointed out, this is mitigated somewhat by vocational schools and affordable community colleges, but over all I still think it'd be nice to do some tweaking here and there. I'm not really against universities, I'm just of a rather progressive bent, that's all. I always want to saw off some rough edges.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: the_shankmaster on 20 Oct 2009, 20:42
I am graduating in March.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Oct 2009, 20:44
As far as universities go, there are usually need-based and merit-based scholarships to help defray the cost to a large extent.  My family made enough to not qualify for need-based, but were unwilling to pay enough for me to go to anything but a state school with the aid of scholarships.  One place I actually turned down offered me an education for just the cost of food and books (I can't remember if I needed to pay dorm costs), but their physics program was kind of a joke.  Plus they'd given that large a merit-based scholarship to me, which didn't reflect well on them.

One of my friends qualified for need-based scholarships.  They paid for his tuition, living arrangements, books and meal plan.  He ended up losing them because he couldn't be bothered to actually work on anything that would result in him getting halfway decent grades, but the fact remains that they exist for state schools.

Furthermore, I have a few friends who have done ROTC.  They get their degree, and also valuable (CV-wise) experience as officers in the military.  Both of them ended up with terrible jobs, but one of them actually wanted that job (nuclear submariner).  This provides another option, and only requires a four-year commitment after school.

Sure, most people who go to college end up paying large amounts of money (either immediately or through loans) but just having a college degree usually makes up for the costs.  Plus, at least people who go to college have experienced a culture of learning.  Whether they have actually absorbed anything really depends on what they were hoping to get out of it.

I strongly believe that enough value has been added to my life to justify the expenditure and work that went into earning my degrees, but you're right in that this result is not experienced by all consumers of higher education.  I've met people who have earned a degree who went on to work in an industry that would have treated them exactly the same way without a degree (one of my friends works in the hospitality industry, and another one is likely to work in a kitchen).  I think both of them enjoyed their college experience, but whether they got enough value out of it to justify the large expenditure of money is certainly open for debate.

That said, I agree with the sentiment about how ridiculous it's gotten about how you have to go to college these days.  It seems that you either go to college or are considered a failure by much of society.  Two of the smartest people I've met have actually never gone to college, and didn't need to, but they'll always have that social stigma.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nobo on 20 Oct 2009, 20:54

1)  A large percentage of people get a job completely unrelated to their degree.

2)  Just having a degree makes someone more employable.

3)  There are some degrees that people actually enjoy working their asses off to complete (I got a music degree despite the fact that there is really no conceivable tangible benefit for me to complete that degree).

1) Maybe in liberal arts. The vast majority of people that I know who have studied engineering and the sciences have gone into their field, or a related field. The only one I can think of right now that didn't was a girl who studied PoliSci and Spanish, but used that degree to get into Law School aka further her career.

2) This point just confirms my original statement, that going to college furthers your career by helping you stand out among people looking for jobs. Maybe its in an unrelated field, but the critical thinking skills and life experience you get through college def. helps later on in the job market.

3) I would hope that most people study what they enjoy. I did it a bit differently, I studied what I was good at (engineering design) and as a minor studied what I enjoyed (psychology).

Anyway, I just don't understand why someone would go through the trouble of going to college if it wasn't going to help them with their career in some way later on, be it life experience or actual vocational experience.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 20 Oct 2009, 21:06
My point was that people don't only go to college to further their career.  That was the point you seemed to be unhappy with.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 21:32
Yeah, see, I want to give college an extended try again, but only for my career. It's rather too bad that I'm wildly uneducated too; that doesn't really help much in the scholarship area. At the end of the day it just runs counter to virtually everything else I want to actually do with my life.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 20 Oct 2009, 21:39
So is anyone doing it right? Is there anywhere we know of where people are going to uni for personal enrichment and it is actually beneficial to their lives, or maybe sometimes fun?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 20 Oct 2009, 21:45
Oh, I'm sure there's people for whom the current system fits like a glove. That doesn't mean they are the only ones who should be catered to, however. After all, many colleges openly consider it a point of honor that they drag you kicking and screaming into becoming their definition of a more well-rounded person.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 21 Oct 2009, 02:47
I like going to uni, and if I could study for the rest of my life I would be extremely happy.

Learning stuff without having to worry too much about income is great, and I honestly think it's a real shame that won't go on forever.

But to me going to Uni isn't just about learning textbooks or code, it's also about learning and exploring the rest of the world. I'm loving being a part of the student radio station, and recording podcasts, and constantly meeting new people and hanging out with people I like outside of class. I think all of these are learning experiences, and I'm afraid that they'll go away once I have to enter the 'real world'.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nobo on 21 Oct 2009, 04:21
My point was that people don't only go to college to further their career.  That was the point you seemed to be unhappy with.

No, I'm not unhappy with it, I was just confused by Andy's original statement. I always thought of college as a career move, the experiences and fulfillment that come with it are an added perk that come with the territory.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Oct 2009, 05:46
For my part, my motivations to be here are as follows:


I suppose I am also here because it is necessary in order to get a decent job, but I'm not concerned about my career at the moment. I assume (possibly arrogantly and incorrectly) that I will have very little difficulty getting a job once I've graduated providing I do reasonably well in my degree. True, there are a lot of graduates and not many jobs, but I'm at one of the world's top unis doing one of the hardest courses so if I come through it I'll be very employable.

But to be honest I've always wanted to go to university because I've always wanted to be in an environment where interest in studying is encouraged and normal. I love that I can have a conversation with someone in the kitchen and use words like "antithesis" or "cathartic" or whatever without worrying that the person will think I'm a pompous ass. I'm not saying that there is no other place in the world where this can happen but my automatic presumption is that everyone here accepts that everyone else is smart and also everyone acknowledges that we're here to study and learn.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ackblom12 on 21 Oct 2009, 05:55
So is anyone doing it right? Is there anywhere we know of where people are going to uni for personal enrichment and it is actually beneficial to their lives, or maybe sometimes fun?

Not since degrees started becoming a requirement for jobs and opened up to the more common folk, who go into crippling debt and need to pay it off, has this been a luxury for most.

Not to say it isn't something that is a nice part of going to Uni when you go, but I don't think I've ever known a single person who wanted to go to Uni for just personal growth and fun. There are plenty of other things you can do for personal growth and fun that don't involve going tens of thousands of dollars into debt if that's actually something you want to do as long as you are okay with not being in the Uni environment.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 21 Oct 2009, 17:18
I am at university fully expecting to get a job that is not in my field of study. I am at university studying exactly this because it is what I am passionate about, what I love, and will help me improve, however the reality is that Arts isn't a big field to get into and if I wanted University As A Career Move, I'd be doing nursing or engineering.

My original point is basically that I really dislike that university is more focused on the piece of paper/the job you get afterwards, rather than a place for academia and growth.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ackblom12 on 21 Oct 2009, 17:42
Fair enough, I know one person.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 21 Oct 2009, 20:02
My original point is basically that I really dislike that university is more focused on the piece of paper/the job you get afterwards, rather than a place for academia and growth.

Bull. Sure the administration and bureaucrats focus on the paper and the bottom line, but that's not what the people are about (well, some students only focus on their career goals, but screw 'em. There's lots of students just looking to learn.) University is what you make of it, most profs love having the oppourtunity to share what they're passionate about, but you have to be the one to initiate it. A prof can't look at a lecture hall full of 200 people and be able to tell apart the students that are just there for their future job and those that are there because they're passionate. If you're the one that approaches the prof you'll find more academia and growth potential than you can possibly imagine. People need to stop bitching about the system and just dive in, take what they want from it and ignore the rest.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 21 Oct 2009, 20:13
From her previous statements, I'd guess that she's not bitching about the system (she seems to be enjoying all of the stuff she's learning) but rather the people involved in the system.  All of the people who just go through the motions at university so that they get a pretty piece of paper at the end that will help them find a job.  I don't think very many people would argue that it's tough to learn at a university.  It's just not really required.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 21 Oct 2009, 20:25
Yeah more like that.

Also, Social Bacon, part of it is that when you have people who are there that aren't actually there to learn it dilutes the system and generally waters down the education. Most profs will admit to not being able to spend as much time as they would like with every student(at least the good ones). I would rather be in a class of passionate individuals who care about the course and will be able to help the class and the community thrive and make progress in the ideas developed in the class. Contributing rather than just leeching and copying to memorize the information just to pass the course.

(I am lucky because this is what my classes are generally like)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 21 Oct 2009, 20:36
In graduate school, this is also how it is, especially for a doctorate.  Classes don't really matter, so the only reason to go is to learn and furthermore, the only reason to get a doctorate is to learn, because at least in technical fields, it's been shown that a master's degree nets you more money across your entire career.

Also, probably in most artistic programs (in my music department it was, except the vocal people didn't give a fuck), because those degrees have very little value career-wise, and you have to work far too hard to choose it as a degree in "Anything."
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Social Bacon on 21 Oct 2009, 20:53
Sorry, my post wasn't really meant to be a personal attack on Andy. I know it kind of came off that way, I just get a little frustrated when I start talking about uni and tend to rant. I really agree with you on all counts, but the point I'm trying to get at is that it's impossible to knock the leechers out of the system. It's their prerogative to leech if they so choose. As such, for those of us who are passionate about our studies, we have to work with what we have. I'm saying that we can cut ourselves apart from the losers with no real interest in learning and get the full value from our profs and the time we spend there. I don't think focusing on the problems and inept individuals is really useful when there's so much to be pleased with. (Again, this is not meant to be an attack on you, but this thread has spent forever talking about these issues.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Oct 2009, 21:21
Most profs will admit to not being able to spend as much time as they would like with every student(at least the good ones).
This is what I love about my community college. My computer science classes have ten or eleven people in them, the basic one last semester had more like 20, but that is probably what a lot of people that just need to fill an elective and think it will be interesting take, the teacher has plenty of time to help the students. My biggest class has had probably 25 people in it, honestly it is going to be a pain in the ass going from this to crowded lecture halls, hopefully I can transfer enough of my computer science classes over to the university I go to that I will be able to skip a lot of the more crowded classes.

Also, I just got a program back that I had handed in not working, and I couldn't figure out why. I was filling an array with names, and instead of sending the names to the array, I messed up and just assigned them all to the variable name. I don't feel quite so bad about not catching that, though, it took my teacher forever to find it as well. I wasn't even looking in the right spot. I should probably stop rushing the assignments, just because I could do them in one afternoon last semester.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 21 Oct 2009, 23:05
Social Bacon I think that perhaps all the people who are just there for their jobs are there because they have been told that, essentially, they have to be. I can honestly tell you that if I was not under the impression that I would be making enough money (thanks to that piece of paper) to make up for all the bullshit, I would skip out on all of it and go hang out somewhere I could learn cool stuff on my own time and of my own volition. I would make up my own majors and graduate in them all, AND I would take 20 years to do it if that's what I felt like doing. Most of it would be free, and all of it would be engaging and entertaining. I am passionate about learning, but the university system, at least in the States, is more of a suffocation of education than the promotion of it

Those of us that are in university programs "for our degrees" cannot afford to pay for university just for the hell of doing it. Some of us wouldn't want the chokehold that is more about essays and book reports and grammar exercises and busywork just for fun, even if we could afford it. But we are here because we must be, because our society has dictated that this sort of education makes for a well-rounded individual who is more interactive and financially successful. In industrialised nations, those are the keys to our survival. So, in this light, I ask you who is ultimately worse off: the one who struggles against The System but cannot change it, or the ones who fight to learn to survive in it?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: MrDorman on 21 Oct 2009, 23:21
I go to community college and live with my parents.

eheu  :cry:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Oct 2009, 23:41
Me too. It's a lot cheaper than a university, even an in-state one, and I don't have to pay for rent or food. The more money I don't spend on that stuff, the more I can save and invest. Especially nice when I can't find a job, because apparently nobody wants to hire a part-time student with no prior professional experience.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 21 Oct 2009, 23:54
Sorry, my post wasn't really meant to be a personal attack on Andy. I know it kind of came off that way, I just get a little frustrated when I start talking about uni and tend to rant. I really agree with you on all counts, but the point I'm trying to get at is that it's impossible to knock the leechers out of the system. It's their prerogative to leech if they so choose. As such, for those of us who are passionate about our studies, we have to work with what we have. I'm saying that we can cut ourselves apart from the losers with no real interest in learning and get the full value from our profs and the time we spend there. I don't think focusing on the problems and inept individuals is really useful when there's so much to be pleased with. (Again, this is not meant to be an attack on you, but this thread has spent forever talking about these issues.)

This troubles me somewhat. Not everyone with issues with the system are necessarily leeches. That the system is tailored in such a way that you do not chafe from its fit is a blessing for you, but for others some of the structure and general education requirements involved are an expensive and frustrating stepping stone on the way to pursuing their interests. As Jhocking said, universities generally dismiss this as a problem because they do not really consider job training as part of their mission statement; personally, I'd like to see that change a tiny bit, and I'm not really convinced that learning for learning's sake would necessarily just die out or something just because we finally got around to acknowledging a lot of the pragmatism involved.

Really, I find it funny that Calenlass and I seemed to be disagreeing earlier, since her last post makes me think that we have essentially the same attitude on this subject just with perhaps different points of emphasis when actually discussing it. I'm not really struggling against any system, I just have an opinion of it that isn't entirely complimentary. It'd be a real stretch to say that I have an ax to grind.

The way universities and colleges are set up in the US, I would never want to be a career student, even if it were free. I do not want to go for a grade and a piece of paper, either, but that is what they want. Those grades and pieces of paper are apparently necessary to get a job (even unrelated to my degree, but that is a different can of worms), so I am doing that to get a job so I can pursue studies in my own fields of interest without all the administrative and bureaucratic bullshit getting in the way.

Also, this gem. That's basically me. I got enough formal education to get my paramedic cert and then I got the fuck out (too bad the money sucks though). This does not mean I am uninterested in learning or would even being opposed to taking classes on a more ala carte basis. I actually enjoyed some of the classes I took on other subjects while I was in there. But it was also a more costly and at times frustrating experience than I would like to go through again.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Oct 2009, 06:00
the ones who fight to learn to survive in it

lol what

the ones who fight to learn to consider to believe to suggest to interpret to imply to mutter to agree to disagree to sermonize to settle to blather to prioritize to categorize to filibuster to debate to desire to clarify to exclaim to decide to survive in it

hee hee that amused me
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 22 Oct 2009, 07:23
22 October 2009: jhocking discovers marijuana.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 22 Oct 2009, 07:34
I am passionate about learning, but the university system, at least in the States, is more of a suffocation of education than the promotion of it

I always found that learning was most stressed in both of my degree departments.  In both of them, what you actually learn does matter.  In physics, you either teach physics in high school, or go on to graduate school (which is the opposite of the financial burden where you don't learn anything).  In music, you either teach music, go on to graduate school or play music.  For all of those options, you actually have to understand what's being taught.  And in both of those degrees, you have to want to do them, because they're too hard for people to just coast through by going through the motions.  So, I guess it's really what department you find yourself in combined with what university you find yourself in.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: SonofZ3 on 22 Oct 2009, 11:17
Ok, I haven't been in this thread for a little while but I'd like to respond, in general, to the last two dozen or so posts. In my original post I wasn't trying to say that a monetary payoff should be the ONLY reason for being in school. Personal growth and learning for the sake of learning are wonderful, but I don't fault people for putting money right up there. This is why my minors were literature and philosophy, and not a major. This is why I used up all my electives on Russian culture and film courses, because I have a passion for them, but I fully understood that I NEEDED my degree to pay off when I graduated. I went to a State School, worked through college, and I'm still going to be in debt for the next 8-10 years paying off my education. Now that I've graduated, and shell out 1300 a month in bills before food or gas (I'm saving on rent by living at home), I'm glad I didn't major in philosophy or literature. In fact, I wish I would've went to school for nursing, or an associates in criminal justice instead. Long debates with my philosophy professors, or nights at the bar with my Russian Lit prof talking about War and Peace are some excellent memories, but are they worth my debt? No.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 22 Oct 2009, 12:20
Jesus fucking shitting dicks I am about to have a conniption fit about the shitting group leader for my fucking entrepreneurship fuck-damn project. All being all "no this is the way to do it" while everyone else in the group is all "hey how about you let us have your say as to why you might be wrong" and him being all "no but I'm the one who came up with the project" and everyone else being all "but it's a group project now and you have to let us have our say" and fucking hell if you didn't want people to come up with other things for your fucking pet project then you shouldn't have shared it with the group you fuck. I did not cross the shitting 48 contiguous states and the bitch dicks Atlantic Ocean to get into a wang-biting argument about fuck all. All for a piss-dip five minute presentation that frankly could have been dusted off in a Goddamn hour.

TL;DR: AHHHH C'MON, FUCK A GROUP PROJECT
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 22 Oct 2009, 12:31
Holy shit you guys, experimental design for the life sciences is such a pain in the ass. Pseudoreplication, confounding factors, background variation, correlational vs. manipulative studies, proper randomization, within-subject vs. between-subject designs, observer drift, and ethics that mess your shit up... This science will make you its bitch. So damn many things to take into account, and if that wasn't bad enough, the test questions are really mean too. Urghh.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Reed on 22 Oct 2009, 12:40
Wait...you actually have to take a class on that? I've had to go to ethics seminars, but for everything else we just learn it in the lab as we go.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 22 Oct 2009, 12:41
TL;DR: AHHHH C'MON, FUCK A GROUP PROJECT

It's even better when they insist on doing it their way despite not really understanding exactly how they should go about doing it their way. If you're going to willfully commandeer the group leadership role and not take "no" for an answer you better know exactly what the fuck you're doing. I've done it on presentations before, but only in cases where I felt like I could reasonably acquire a full page of talking points and a half page of citations in under 40 minutes. It also helped that I was working with mouth breathers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Oct 2009, 13:21
When my fiancee had an ugly group project situation back in business school, she ranted to me about how pissed off it was making her. At first I nodded along because, well, I hate it too when shit like that happens. But then at the end she finally took a deep breath and asked me what I thought she should do about it, and I kinda blinked in confusion for a moment and said, "Well, you should do the work."

My point then (and my advice to you now) was that there's no way to change the shitty situation halfway through the project, so she should just make the best of it. Definitely bear this in mind for the future (eg. don't be in another group project with that asshole) but as for the current project her main focus should be on doing what will help her, rather than wasting time thinking about how to get even or whatever.

In her case she should do all the work to get the project done (the problem she was having was lazy teammates who weren't pulling their weight,) while in your case I would advise don't waste any more time arguing with your stubborn "leader" and focus on making the presentation of his idea look good so you come off as a great presenter. Unless this is some special contest where you're presenting business plans to actual investors, nobody really cares about the ideas being presented, they only care about how good you are at presenting the idea.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 22 Oct 2009, 13:37
Yeah after the huge argument I think everyone had a sit-down and got relatively calmed down. Thankfully everyone in the group actually submits their own business plans (has to do with the way the course is graded and stuff) but seriously it was like being in the worst episode of The Apprentice. Yeah I'm gonna buckle down and make sure the presentation goes well and stuff but after today I am not feeling good about it at all (whereas beforehand I was quite ambivalent about it and just happy to do the work and research). We meet again on Tuesday and the presentation is in a week so either we get it done or we're at loggerheads indefinitely.

And since I go back to my home university in the Winter (and I shouldn't have to take any more management courses after that) I'll definitely not be in another group with the dude.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 22 Oct 2009, 15:04
Wait...you actually have to take a class on that? I've had to go to ethics seminars, but for everything else we just learn it in the lab as we go.
Yeah, but my knowledge of scientific research is zit. After high school we needed to do research on a subject in our profile, and mine was FUBAR so it's really quite helpful. The author's of the book themselves say that it would have saved them a lot of time, money and trouble if they had a book like this back when they were starting college. It's not a large book, and it primarily deals with setting up a good experiment rather than statistically analysing your data, and there's only a page or two on ethics. I've got a test for it tomorrow, but the thing is, this is a book that was not written to make you do a test on it. It was written to give you a guideline to use on your scientific research to keep you from screwing up, a manual of sorts, not a studybook. It's actually pretty easy to understand, only there's a lot of jargon to deal with, as well as demanding a high amount of insight into experimental design. But then they start asking questions like "If you go to a supermarket and ask every third person who comes out to fill out a questionnaire, what kind of sampling are you using?" and it comes down to a test of your vocabulary. I hope I don't get screwed over too bad on those questions.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 23 Oct 2009, 16:29
And in fact I didn't! Test went really well, when I was done I was sure I made no mistakes, but after discussing it with people I saw I made a few, and after checking the answers I saw that I had eight (out of 30) and two of them have to be corrected, so that's 80% scored. Nice!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Oct 2009, 17:09
I've just had ice hockey initiation and it was awesome  :-D Not just the initiation thing although it was hilarious, but also the fact that there was no fuss at all about me not drinking, everyone was cool with it and just accepted it and I still had a great time and did all the games and stuff. I've never seen so much alcohol disappear so fast... the guy opposite me at dinner drank fourteen glasses of wine, ten of which he chugged. It was completely insane and totally hilarious.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 27 Oct 2009, 09:35
Holy shit I passed the course with a 6.333333333333333333333333 average. Kickass.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 27 Oct 2009, 10:43
90% on my first midterm of the year (Neuroscience of Language)!

Two more today though.  Oh Shiiiiii
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 27 Oct 2009, 16:41
Yay!  I'm not doing nearly as badly in my second course from this professor as the first!  I got my waveguides test back and I got a 23/30 (that's actually pretty good for how hard his tests are).  I might actually pass the course.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 08 Nov 2009, 18:40
Smells like the first all-nighter of the year!

I am writing a web crawler, and it's parsing 261 pages of html to find where the actual relevant content of the site is. And it has taken 45 minutes to do just the first 50 pages. This sucks, cause I can't really work while this is running. And if I do it's staggered, so I lose track of the changes I've made since the beginning of the first run. It's a hazard. 

I'm on my second cup of coffee.

Tomorrow I have to do a bunch of stuff for the student radio station. I might have to member other committee members and see whether they can do anything, cause at the moment it doesn't look like I'm going to be getting any sleep.

I should not have watched that marathon of 30-rock last night. I should have been working instead. Oh well. Living life on the edge!

Wooo!

(man, I am wired)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yayniall on 09 Nov 2009, 11:10
My first piece of coursework was easy like a wolf.
Computing but for bitches.
Fuck yes Matlab.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 09 Nov 2009, 11:21
Matlab is the worst best program ever.  It can do everything, but my God if it isn't super sensitive to what you're actually telling it to do (the built-in commands rarely do what one would expect them to do).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yayniall on 09 Nov 2009, 11:22
It's programming for people who really can't be arsed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 09 Dec 2009, 17:38
Oh hey I got my first final mark back and I got an over Aish A+ish depending on where you are


eeeee
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Avec on 09 Dec 2009, 18:42
This may be slightly off topic but I was curious if anyone here has applied for a summer college session as a high school student. Any advice is really appreciated; I'm interested in writing, chemistry, and philosophy if that helps any.

Thank you.  :-)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 09 Dec 2009, 19:07
I did, but it was during my senior year.  The class started before my senior year ended, but continued after it ended.  It was a rather normal thing.  They're really fine with stuff like that as long as you meet the prerequisites (I think).  At least in the USA.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: öde on 09 Dec 2009, 19:28
I'm pretty certain I'm going to start an access course to hopefully get onto an Anthropology degree. My other option is to take a Higher National Certificate in Electronics and Computer Engineering but I think I'd rather go for an academic degree and then move into that area because I want to work in that field but I definitely want to study anthropology.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Avec on 09 Dec 2009, 19:38
Was it expensive? and I guess in your case it really wouldn't change your transcript but I was considering a six week course of philosophy at U-Penn for roughly $2,000 as the sticker price.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dimmukane on 10 Dec 2009, 13:27
Agreed, I wish I had done that, writing classes are really annoying when you've got a full courseload and are working 30+ hours a week.  Two of them in one semester is even worse. 

Unloading my textbooks and using the money for beer, alright.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Dec 2009, 15:00
Just got a 95% on the first portion of the final exam for my worst class. I'm feeling pretty damn smug about that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 10 Dec 2009, 15:14
Since my final projects for my classes were videos, I get to share.  :-)

Single Camera class (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeL1vwAIU9c). Feature piece on local musician.

Video Editing class (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwiVdgZMV-Y). Movie trailer for "Once Upon a Time in the West".
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 10 Dec 2009, 19:25
just do some community college over the summer dogg, you can get required credits out of the way, they're shorter, and most likely easier! that's what i'm doing to get writing comp etc. out of the way. they should also be less than 2k

I was going to say just this.  Just make sure that the class can be transferred.  Nothing sucks more than having to do work over again just because whatever college doesn't agree with the course as you took it.  That almost happened with my calc 3 class, but I just had to do a little bit extra because the guy responsible for that stuff was extremely awesome.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Dec 2009, 04:40
For my part, my motivations to be here are as follows:

  • Study the law (I am interested in it, but do not want to be a lawyer)
  • Learn to be independent whilst still having the safety net of my college to help out if I trip up
  • Get the chance to try new things (ice hockey, ballet, stage management) that simply wouldn't be available elsewhere


Ahahaha. I just re-read this and realised how quickly things have changed. My motives now run something like this:


University has been really bad for my academic ambitions.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 17 Dec 2009, 08:01
Man May that happens to so many folk is crazy!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 17 Dec 2009, 18:06
Hey so I told my dad that my back up plan if I don't get into uni is to do a small business course at TAFE (kind of a technical college?) and open up a comic book shop. His reaction was way more positive than I expected! "... Yes, well let's just hope you get into uni then." When I told my mum she pretended not to hear me. Woo supportive parents!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 19 Dec 2009, 16:15
I was just reading an interesting article about choosing a college:
http://www.sloperama.com/advice/lesson25.htm

The funniest part is how in the made-up decision spreadsheet it includes the category "Pretty Coeds?" and one school is rated "As seen in Playboy." And then the hypothetical student's mother has a fit when she sees that category on the grid. lol
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 20 Dec 2009, 01:21
Decision matrixes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_Matrix) are really useful in general, actually.  I've used them to make all kinds of major life decisions, from "should I skip high school?" to "which boy of the two who've asked me out should I accept?"  Making one helps me feel confident that I've actually weighed all the options I wanted to weigh--and then, if I disagree with the answer that comes out, I realize that I actually do have a strong feeling in one direction (which makes it easy to make the decision for that reason).

So if you're picking between some colleges, I second Joe's recommendation.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 20 Dec 2009, 01:37
I usually flip a coin for that kind of thing. If I'm not happy with the result I know what it is I really want. This has never failed me. I assume this will fail me when I am presented with more than two options.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 20 Dec 2009, 05:53
"which boy of the two who've asked me out should I accept?"

show-off
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 20 Dec 2009, 07:02
I assume this will fail me when I am presented with more than two options.

First you need a three-headed coin...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 20 Dec 2009, 11:42
The third option is when the coin falls on its edge.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 20 Dec 2009, 12:35
college on a saturday night: paint a mural in the lounge, drink spiked hot chocolate and home brewed beer, acoustic guitar sing along. go drunken sledding on trays and trash can lids on the hill at midnight. fall asleep on two beds pushed together with four other people, watching wet hot american summer and swigging whiskey every time someone in the movie makes out.

college on a sunday morning: oh my god study for chem final, drop people off at hartford airport, need to finish greek history paper, need to pack clothes up, need to clean my room and dishes, need to call physical plant, need to dig out car (ahhhrgh snow) fuck fuck fuck
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 28 Dec 2009, 13:07
Just checked my grades online. Straight A's in all 3 classes.  :-D

Plus I passed the Apple Certification exam for Final Cut Pro 7, which will make nice resume fodder.

Have the rest of the classes I need next semester to complete the TV Production technical certificate. 2 classes in the TV studio, and a class on advanced DVD authoring.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Sythe on 29 Dec 2009, 04:24
My sweet ass shotglass final project dealio is still locked in the glass shed at my school. I fucking neeeeeeed it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LeeC on 08 Jan 2010, 06:36
anyone here attempting to go into medicine?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 08 Jan 2010, 07:53
I am just starting to realise how absurd some of the stuff I have to learn for my degree is. I'm doing Philosophy, so that's kind of par for course I guess, but when I get exam questions like "How fast does time pass?" and "Present and assess one argument to the effect that nothing changes" I can't help but feel that my lecturer is taking the piss.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pilsner on 08 Jan 2010, 23:03
Q: "What is courage?  Please answer in 500 words."

A: "This."
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 09 Jan 2010, 00:20
Took me a moment to get that.

My favorite answer came from a classmate in chemistry. The question was about the method of reducing bauxite ore to aluminum metal. His answer: "Zap the bejeesus out of it." Full credit.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pilsner on 09 Jan 2010, 05:07
Awww, TAs should have a sense of humor, Jens.  It qualifies as a survival skill, at the very least.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 09 Jan 2010, 05:49
You have correctly described idiocy, which was not part of your exam question. 0%

Some say courage and stupidity can be the same thing. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e/erwinromme164858.html)

cue many many examples on youtube
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 Jan 2010, 16:09
Ever so often, I come across an article on my reading list and the name of the author rings a bell.

Then I google them and realise they are my lecturers.

When I say "ever so often", I mean at least once a week.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 17 Jan 2010, 00:50
I once used my lecturer as my main source for an essay. They were ambivalent, mostly because they're one of the more prolific writers in taht area (Australian bill of rights)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 17 Jan 2010, 05:06
When I was at uni (shit I'm old!) my lecturer told me never to use one of your lecturers as a source for an essay, even if they're the best one. It looks like you're toadying up to them and any lecturer worth their salt won't like it. If they do like it then they're probably not a good lecturer.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Jan 2010, 05:28
The good thing for us is that in general, our lecturers are not the people who set and mark our essays. We have two generally separate systems: the university faculty organises lectures, and the lecturers are the top academics drawn from the colleges. Then the colleges organise supervisions, where our work is set. It's got good and bad points (I could go into more detail if anyone wanted me to but it would probably be quite boring).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 17 Jan 2010, 05:54
back in college
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 17 Jan 2010, 10:16
Turns out my programming project was due in on Friday. I was adamant it was due tomorrow. My maximum mark is now capped at 40%. I had an honest chance of getting a First.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Jan 2010, 10:19
That is so crap! Is there no chance at all they'll let you give it in tomorrow? Good luck!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 17 Jan 2010, 10:44
Well I'm gonna give it in tomorrow anyway, then email the prof. and see if he'll not cap me because I got muddled up and genuinely thought it was due in on Monday, not Friday. It was due last Monday but then the snow fucked everything up. If he decides he's still gonna cap me, then I'll try and get a resubmission for the end of semester 2 and see if I can get a decent mark out of this. Either way I want to drink all 3 bottles of wine I have in my house right now and cry all night because I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 17 Jan 2010, 10:56
Turns out my programming project was due in on Friday. I was adamant it was due tomorrow. My maximum mark is now capped at 40%. I had an honest chance of getting a First.

Sorry for making a joke at your expense, but this is great av/post synergy. Is there a programming class at the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Jan 2010, 13:40
Nah, just Forge. You don't need to learn programming when you are Forge.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 17 Jan 2010, 15:05
:'( </3
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 18 Jan 2010, 16:54
Oh hey I got a High Distinction for evidence law, which is great because I really thought I fucked up the exam by spending way too much time on one question and rushing through the ones that were worth more marks. Maybe I just gave the answers straight without the usual fucking around I usually do - it's mostly statute so there's not much debating to do.

Also, a distinction in Administrative law. That brings my GPA to a Credit, which was the aim. If I can finish over that I'll be delighted.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 18 Jan 2010, 19:27
waiting for my third reference letter to arrive safe and sound at the schools i have applied to, i have contacted my professor like five times about this and now he's finally entered irritated "jesus tania will you just relax about it i promise i'll mail them out before the 31st" mode but i am still anxious because i want to get into these schools so bad and i really don't want him to forget. life is going to become so much easier if/when i finally get an acceptance and can just chill out, but the next couple of months are really going to suck. i have no patience, i really don't know how people can do this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: E. Spaceman on 19 Jan 2010, 13:36
Accept that everything you can do about it is done and that worrying too much about it just makes you seem neurotic and unlikeable.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 22 Jan 2010, 06:47
Wow I want to punch the guy sitting next to me. He is just way too keen. He also vocally agrees with everything the lecturer says. "mhm" "yeah" "yeah" "mhm". God fucking damnit.

Fuck Masters students. Nay, fuck Comp Sci Masters students. You are taking an undergraduate course. Get the fuck out of my undergraduate course.

This may be cross-posted to the vitriol thread.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 22 Jan 2010, 06:53
Ugh there's a guy in a couple of my classes that does that, but he's not a Master's student. It's worse.

He's a mature student.

He's so irritating and almost always wrong.

Sidenote: 2/3 exams done, 1/2 courseworks done. Fuck python.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Jan 2010, 06:56
Fuck python.

I wish I could program in Python all the time (as opposed to barely ever.)

Also, I still haven't written the syllabus for the class I teach starting Monday. I should probably get on that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 22 Jan 2010, 07:01
Why? Python is horrible and it gets so angry whenever you get anything wrong. :(
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 22 Jan 2010, 07:03
I only see any Python because Plone is written in it.  I have nothing against Python except that Plone is written in it.  Plone should not exist; any CMS in the world is better to work with than Plone (when I have a choice, I install Magnolia).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 22 Jan 2010, 07:10
Python is the best. Plone is overly complicated.

But yeah, every chance I get I code in python. A pretty common joke around these here parts is 'import finishedAssignment'. Last semester that was actually an option (we had to build a web crawler) but then the professor was like 'no! do it from scratch'. There was grumbling.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 22 Jan 2010, 07:16
I only see any Python because Plone is written in it.  I have nothing against Python except that Plone is written in it.  Plone should not exist; any CMS in the world is better to work with than Plone (when I have a choice, I install Magnolia).

Recently I had dinner with the guy who invented Django because a mutual friend was visiting town. I don't do backend programming so I didn't even know what Django is until some web developers I work with were kinda surprised that he lives around here.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 Jan 2010, 09:55
Today is the first day of a new era in which I do all my supervision work in sufficient time.

To this end, I am going to start on my criminal work even though it is Friday night and I do not wish to.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 22 Jan 2010, 10:14
In fact, to prove my point, I have just added a built-in function to Links (http://groups.inf.ed.ac.uk/links/) that lets me execute python (well, it lets me execute any script, but it's intended to execute python).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thomas Edison on 17 Feb 2010, 12:17
I am going to Salisbury to study Film Production and Cinematography! wheeeee
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 17 Feb 2010, 14:12
Holy damn I passed neurobiology and immunology! Un-freaking-believable! Good thing too, otherwise it would look a bit weird to switch from biology to psychobiology.

Heh. Psychobiology sounds a lot different in English, doesn't it? What do you think people learn in psychobiology?

Embryology assignments tomorrow. Can anyone explain to me why those plastic anatomic models cost €500 and up?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Feb 2010, 17:38
IT IS TOO LATE TO BE WRITING AN ESSAY.

Why did I go to the cinema tonight? Why?! Why did I go to watch the winter olympics last night?

I've been telling myself that I did those things because hanging out with the team and destressing makes me more productive, but that's got less and less convincing as the night has gone on.

More toast and juice is called for. No coffee tonight or I'll never sleep at all.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 26 Feb 2010, 13:17
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/LaurensK90/hoofd.png)

Head of a human fetus, 46 weeks old. Embryology is fascinating, isn't it?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 26 Feb 2010, 13:21
Batman?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 01 Mar 2010, 03:11
Started again today. Going from my admin course of a whole six people last year to an accounting class of like a million people (probably more like 500) is really quite strange. I know that the big class is probably the norm for universities, but for me it was a huge shock; the biggest lecture I've been in before now was my first and that was only about 120 people.
Plus it was shit boring. I'm a fourth year law student and I'm going back to do intro subjects because it's all that I can do (prerequisites and assumed knowledge and all) because the uni forces me to do non-law subjects, so both of todays lectures outlined all the expectations and uni sales pitches and went over how the courses worked and all that, and I guess it's necessary but had I known I just wouldn't have rocked up today, except I wouldn't have been given the course outline. Is it so hard to put that up on the net a week before so I can buy the books and do the stuff before the morning of my tutes please?

On the plus side, sat next to a cute girl and discovered she's on exchange from Purdue in Indianna. Showed her around town a bit while we went to buy the textbooks. Also, she's rather unsure what she wants to do at uni/college so she's doing Accounting, Spanish, Chemistry and Radiology.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 07 Mar 2010, 16:41
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

stress
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 07 Mar 2010, 18:16
Dropped two subjects, enrolled in a law one. Can you imagine being so bored that you would deliberately enrol in a forth year ten week law course two weeks in? I was more bored than that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Verergoca on 07 Mar 2010, 22:00
Whoo, a 8.3 (with 10 as a max) for my administrative law exam! Now there are just some courses on communication and such to do, and i gets halfway to a masters!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: RedLion on 08 Mar 2010, 17:36
Jeeeesus christ, my first day back from break and I get hit with a bunch of weighty (but long-term) stuff: a 25 page paper on democratization in west Africa, A project where I have to observe a native animal in its habitat over a period of 2 weeks for Zoology (I live in southern Wisconsin, so I'm kind of limited to stuff like squirrels, raccoons beavers..maybe a badger if I'm lucky), and writing a 3-page four-part voice choral piece for music theory. On top of that a professor nominated me to give a 30 minute student symposium on a paper I did last semester about ethnic conflict in the former USSR so I have to get maps, prepare a speech, blah blah.

Overwhelmed now!

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 09 Mar 2010, 02:04
Holy shit fuck it's 2nd week, how the fuck did I get here!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: kemon on 09 Mar 2010, 02:22
literally nothing happens week 1.   it's easy to miss.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 09 Mar 2010, 06:41
My only real problem with the first two is that I have to boil down like crazy
I wish I had that problem. When I had to write four page essays in high school, it was generally between 2.5 and three pages long. Now I have to write one of 8-10 pages for philosophy and I don't know how I'm supposed to fill those pages.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 09 Mar 2010, 10:07
The more you read beforehand and the more you prepare yourself, the easier it gets. For my lit class last year I had serious problems writing five pages in three days about a book I barely read through and didn't give a shit about, but for my art history exams I usually write 12 - 15 pages in four hours (those exams are in handwriting, I'm not that good). Also remember it's usually not about how much you write, but what you write.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 09 Mar 2010, 11:06
What really took me from a "struggling-to-get-to-the third-page" writer to a "goddamn-I-can't-get-this-down-to-seven-pages" writer was the realization that every point I make / source I bring in / example I cite needs to be (1) introduced and connected to what I've said so far, (2) explained, (3) analyzed, (4) connected to my major point(s) in terms of the overall progression of the paper, and (5) related to the stuff that comes afterward.  That's development.

And it makes it really easy to fill space with meaningful stuff that isn't just fluff.

Of course, reading a bunch and preparing and whatnot helps too, but it's not everything.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dliessmgg on 09 Mar 2010, 11:24
The more you read beforehand and the more you prepare yourself, the easier it gets. For my lit class last year I had serious problems writing five pages in three days about a book I barely read through and didn't give a shit about, but for my art history exams I usually write 12 - 15 pages in four hours (those exams are in handwriting, I'm not that good).

We were always able to choose from five or so topics, so yeah. YM usual preperation was paying attention during class and going the stuff through again the days before.

Also remember it's usually not about how much you write, but what you write.

That's why I didn't fail high school.

every point I make / source I bring in / example I cite needs to be (1) introduced and connected to what I've said so far, (2) explained, (3) analyzed, (4) connected to my major point(s) in terms of the overall progression of the paper, and (5) related to the stuff that comes afterward.

I'm writhing that down, but it might be that some of that stuff happened automatically.

THanks for the help.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 09 Mar 2010, 12:54
A good point; that shift came about over the course of doing a whole shitton of writing, so it's hard to say what was "conscious realization --> improvement" and what was "improvement --> conscious realization."

Either way, though, I don't think being aware of the principle can hurt your writing...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 09 Mar 2010, 14:09
Jeeeesus christ, my first day back from break and I get hit with a bunch of weighty (but long-term) stuff: a 25 page paper on democratization in west Africa, A project where I have to observe a native animal in its habitat over a period of 2 weeks for Zoology (I live in southern Wisconsin, so I'm kind of limited to stuff like squirrels, raccoons beavers..maybe a badger if I'm lucky), and writing a 3-page four-part voice choral piece for music theory. On top of that a professor nominated me to give a 30 minute student symposium on a paper I did last semester about ethnic conflict in the former USSR so I have to get maps, prepare a speech, blah blah.

Overwhelmed now!

Having just been through a phylogenetics course, let me remind you that native animals includes just about everything that you can see moving. Honeybees, ladybugs, sparrows, ducks, rabbits, humans...

I wonder if anyone ever got away with studying humans for zoology? Native animal, well, we're not an imported species, so: check. Habitat, seeing as you're here, anywhere you go is your habitat: check. And I suppose one could argue that being of the studied species contributes to greater understanding of their behaviour. I'll keep this in mind...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 15 Mar 2010, 15:02
I've been looking into universities, and the one in Oslo has some pretty nice studies that I've applied to.

So, hey, Jens, your don't have an apartment up for rent in the basement? it's not that long to train from your shit hole to Oslo, right?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 15 Mar 2010, 15:27
holy crap guys, i've written 25 pages of solid text (50% there oh yeah).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 15 Mar 2010, 16:18
Hey Baste, you can have my apartment at Bjølsen Studentby if you want, I move out sometime this summer after I've finished my stupid BA. It's 4100-ish kr per month, so not bad if you want your own kitchen and bathroom!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 16 Mar 2010, 13:42
Hail Satan, girl!

4100 isn't bad at all, that's for sure, depends on what extra costs there are. It says available internet, is that for free? Is there any central heating? Furniture and stuff included?

And, Jens, if I'm moving somewhere, I'll probably not want to go over 4,5k a month including travelling costs. Is that apartment in your building or somewhere randomly else? I'm thinking that living in the same house as someone I semi-know is a pluss. How long is the train time? More than 2 hours both ways? I'm thinking that a little while isn't a bad thing, since IKT studies has a loooot of math, and a train will be somewhere good to read, but approaching 4 hours of travel time a day is a bit too much. I'm already doing 1,5-2, so that wouldn't be any problem at all.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nufan on 16 Mar 2010, 13:45
So my dissertation which involved me randomising Philip Glass pieces and Oscar Peterson piano licks and other groovy stuff got like 85% and they offered me a job to carry it on next year. I could not be happier about it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 16 Mar 2010, 15:55
4100 kr includes internet, tv and electricity (the price is actually 3700 kr, with 400 kr a month for electricity during the winter half of the year, and then they adjust the price a bit down during spring and summer). No furniture included, but there's a stove, fridge and freezer. If you want to go cheaper it's always possible to live somewhere with shared kitchens and/or bathrooms. Student apartments in Oslo are actually not that bad! A lot of students in Oslo also live in Lillestrøm, which is way cheaper and only 10 minutes away by train. The downside is that once you're 20 you have to pay 800 kr for a 30 day ticket since you need one for Oslo/Akershus instead of just for Oslo, which I think costs 300-400 kr or something. Also Lillestrøm kinda sucks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 16 Mar 2010, 16:49
Thanks guys! Some opportunities like that makes Oslo much more of a possibility than it was. The studies seems like more fun there - more java and less algebra.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Mar 2010, 04:31
I wish I lived in an apartment :( Or a house. Or just one tiny room, providing I didn't have to move out for holidays.

Next year! NEXT YEAR I will have my room for 39 weeks of the year. No moving after ten weeks! No packing every two months! It will be bliss.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 18 Mar 2010, 16:06
Fucking students can't even fill out a questionnaire right, how the hell am I supposed to analyse this when half the subjects didn't even provide an answer? BLANK does not mean ZERO.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 24 Mar 2010, 10:42
god damnit I am so bored of this assignment.

So fucking bored of it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 24 Mar 2010, 10:59
I have been sat in the library all afternoon, convincing myself that I am working hard when in reality all I have achieved is a list of things I have not done, a list of topic areas we have covered in supervisions, a list of supervisions which I haven't done any work for and a very small amount of substantive work towards those supervisions.

Basically here is the thing: I am utterly screwed, because we haven't covered everything in supervisions and I missed far too many lectures. Even if I had actually done all the work set, I would still be missing some topics.

On the plus side, I can probably still catch up on the work I didn't do in the past two terms. Hopefully the missing topics won't be critical for the exams.

A bit of a worry is that my criminal law supervisor isn't actually a criminal law specialist at all, so she isn't a lot of use when you have problems or need to ask a question. I've been defending her against this accusation all year but I have to face the fact that it's true. So I've got no way of knowing whether I've got things right or not.

ARGH why am I doing this degree? I like having measurable, achievable targets so that I can track my progress. How can I quantify whether or not I know everything that I'm supposed to know?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: kemon on 24 Mar 2010, 11:11
remember that you're paying for the education.  if you don't feel you're getting out of it what you pay for, then you should talk to someone about it.  see your department academic advisor or another supervisor.  even just another professor in your field can help you make some sense of it if necessary.

i've always found that it's better to tell someone when there's a problem.  they can't help until they know something needs to be done.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 24 Mar 2010, 15:44
Yeah, I know that really but I like our criminal supervisor and she isn't completely inept, she's just a bit wishywashy. If I'd actually gone to lectures, which are technically compulsory, I wouldn't be having a problem so it is really my own fault.

Not sure I'm really cut out for academia but I am definitely cut out for university life.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 24 Mar 2010, 16:21
Man, I hate it when they lop a statistics exam and a biology exam onto a Friday and the next Monday like that. It doesn't help that there are eight and ten chapters of material, respectively.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yayniall on 24 Mar 2010, 18:17
My exam timetable for my last exams (ever?) is pretty nice. Monday, Thursday, Monday Wednesday Friday.
Beats the two on one day I had last time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 25 Mar 2010, 15:30
What the hell guys, I seriously don't know anything.

How can I have spent seven months at one of the best universities in the world and not know anything?

The obvious answer is that I am a moron who does not go to lectures.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 25 Mar 2010, 16:07
I'm an even bigger moron, because it's midnight, I'm sorta drunk, aaaand I have to finish my essay which is due tomorrow morning. Yay.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: SonofZ3 on 25 Mar 2010, 16:56
I'm an even bigger moron, because it's midnight, I'm sorta drunk, aaaand I have to finish my essay which is due tomorrow morning. Yay.

Yeah, thats pretty standard for college. Go to the library hung over tomorrow and knock out an essay. This will become pretty normal procedure, especially for classes you don't like doing assignments for. Take solace in the idea that even your mediocre effort will be better than the idiot's best effort, so you're still doing a relatively good job (at least thats how it works at state schools here in PA).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 25 Mar 2010, 17:16
What the hell guys, I seriously don't know anything.

How can I have spent seven months at one of the best universities in the world and not know anything?

The obvious answer is that I am a moron who does not go to lectures.

May this is just first year finals yitters, I am pretty sure - it sounds like you have worked pretty hard, even if you have missed a few lectures, and I'm sure you'll do fine. Even if you only scrape through it's fine anyway, right? I'm pretty sure that your first year's results don't count towards your final degree at Cambridge? I mean, in my first year I got 42 in a module writing about a roughly similar topic to an essay I wrote in my third year that got a 90 - so, like, don't stress too much about year 1 ok? You're obviously very bright and I've no doubts that you'll end up doing really well!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 25 Mar 2010, 17:25
Sonof, this is cold calculation, I'm on my last semester and I'll have my BA in less than two months. I just feel like shit today, but yeah, it'll be fine. Also I write best at home, and since it's handed in over the internet I'll just finish it now and send it off before I go to bed, yay technology!

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 25 Mar 2010, 20:10
Several people have said that to me (about it not counting) and I'm not sure whether or not it's true. Certainly it's your first year grades that affect whether or not you can get a vacation scheme in second year, you have to get at least a 2:1 to get a decent one, and I'm pretty sure it does count since two of the subjects are compulsory to qualify as a lawyer. But they're keeping it very quiet! I'll have to look it up. It depends what subject you do, I think.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though :) I'm swinging wildly between thinking I'm going to fail miserably and thinking I've got plenty of time to get it sorted, and I really don't know which is more true.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 26 Mar 2010, 01:17
The way it works in Edinburgh (but Edinburgh ain't no Cambridge) is first and second year don't really matter as long as you get above a 50% which determine if you go into honours or not. Then in third and fourth year those grades determine whether you get a 2.2, 2.1, or 1.

But Edinburgh ain't no Cambridge.

Guys, my dissertation is due on Wednesday and I have a friend coming over from NY tomorrow, and today I have to do a presentation on another subject. When am I going to have time to finish my dissertation?

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Drill King on 26 Mar 2010, 08:41
Going to class drunk provides better results, alcoholism here I come.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 30 Mar 2010, 07:02
I'd say political, with emphasis on the semi-autonomous status of the non-England parts with their own parliaments, courts, currencies and such when appropriate, and various attempts at full independence and the resistance to that happening. Lots of material to fill out the essay because you can hit each region in turn, provide history then current events. Bonus points for talking about Northern Ireland's controversial past. If you need more you can throw in the Channel Islands which have a completely different setup.

All that just from what I can recall off the top of my head from stateside.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: evilbobthebob on 30 Mar 2010, 07:12
Haha. "What problems?" We do have quite a few. As Jimor mentioned, the tension in Northern Ireland has always been an issue. The manufacturing sector that we were previously known for has declined to a state of almost non-existence, leaving many people unable to find jobs because they do not have the skills (see: closure of the mines in the 80s). The financial sector has collapsed, of course, leaving us with an unprecedented national debt, which is probably the biggest current political issue. We're still involved in Afghanistan. We have a legacy in Iraq.

I'm sure other UK forumites will provide many more salient points, I don't follow UK politics as much as perhaps I should. It tends to make me very angry or very depressed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: allison on 30 Mar 2010, 07:13
So this is the last week of classes and because my professors do not want to deal with final exams I HAVE THREE FINALS AND A PAPER DUE BY TOMORROW WEEEEEEEEEEEEE


FUCKING KILL ME
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 30 Mar 2010, 13:57
Looking into trade schools to become an electrician. If I go to canada I don't start until next year, but I fear that if I wait another year I just won't go at all and will be stuck as a manager of a mcdonalds.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Mar 2010, 15:50
Jens, a political issue that is quite big is devolution.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Slick on 30 Mar 2010, 16:26
Why Canada, Jace? Are you thinking of moving here?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 30 Mar 2010, 19:25
Yes actually! I am quite unhappy with America overall and I have heard some good things about Canada, also it is pretty close to America so I wouldn't have to deal with a huge change (except for the maple taffy based legal system allison has told me about). Also, albeit very unlikely, I'd like to hope that I could get a grant from Canada to go to school and then work there.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 31 Mar 2010, 04:41
I have just submitted my dissertation. It is 72 pages long, of which 52 are solid text. That's 18,000 words. Alongside this I have submitted about 2,400 lines of code.

Man, this is a relief.

Next up: 7 exams!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 02 Apr 2010, 04:55
I'd say go for the unfairness and suffering. It sounds like an amazing experience, and it's only one year. The bachelor will be there waiting for you for how long as you want.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 02 Apr 2010, 10:52
Yeah man, considering that a few of your posts have suggested you're pretty ambivalent towards your uni course right now, the UN thing sounds perfect. Heartbreaking, perhaps, but it'll be great experience and you'll learn an awful lot I'm sure. I have a friend who did something similar with the UN (perhaps the same thing?) before I met her and she:
a) is awesome,
b) loved it and has no regrets about spending the time and energy (both physical and emotional) required,
and c) has had loads of doors opened for her.

She is an incredibly compassionate and thoughtful individual and I'm sure her experiences doing UN-stuff helped foster that. I think you're just the kind of person who'd similarly get an awful lot out of it (in the sense that you have an awful lot of decent qualities that this could help build on), so fuckin' do it!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 04 Apr 2010, 05:17
My next assignment for basic academic skills is a research proposition. I was given ten subjects to choose from and I picked synesthesia and memory, so now I'm going to have to collect literature on the subject and see what questions haven't been answered yet. But it was also a possibility to submit a subject of your own choice, so I was considering doing the assignment on hypnosis. Although I'm not sure if that's going to work, since hypnosis seems to be a difficult and controversial subject in science. On the other hand, it's also really amazing. So what do you say, should I go with synesthesia, which is easier to work with but less amazing, or hypnosis, which will prove difficult but might also produce a better end result?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: IronOxide on 07 Apr 2010, 13:53
Yes actually! I am quite unhappy with America overall and I have heard some good things about Canada, also it is pretty close to America so I wouldn't have to deal with a huge change (except for the maple taffy based legal system allison has told me about). Also, albeit very unlikely, I'd like to hope that I could get a grant from Canada to go to school and then work there.

Jace, if you spend too long in Canada, we may not even be able to make fun of Allison's accent together!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: vegkitkat on 20 Apr 2010, 19:58
I just got my recommendation of acceptance to Dalhousie University today.  As of this fall, I'll be working on my M.Sc. I can't stop smiling.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 20 Apr 2010, 21:22
I'm trying to decide if I should enroll in a graduate course next semester, "Women and the Law". Several hundred pages of reading per week, huuuuuuuge papers - I might not be cut out for it, but I was planning on going to grad school anyhow, maybe it'll be good for me? I'll learn to adjust. On the other hand, far less time for trifling things like bloggin' and music.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 20 Apr 2010, 23:13
I've got a 5 page paper to write and I can barely find any information on the topic, I've got a final project for C++ that I have just barely started, and two computer science tests in one day for two days next week. Finals time again.

I shouldn't be this excited.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 21 Apr 2010, 00:38
Hey, nothing important happening today, just... defending my dissertation, that's all.

You know, that thing that basically decides whether I graduate or not.

Woo!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: scarred on 21 Apr 2010, 00:50
i might go to class tomorrow
d
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Apr 2010, 03:56
Good luck with the defending! Do you get to wear a little shield and brandish a sword of learning?

Guys, I thought university was meant to be where you studied something you really cared about, something you're so passionate about that you'll happily get into thousands of pounds of debt in order to sit at the feet of the world's leading experts, soaking up their knowledge and wisdom on topics that light a fire in your imagination?

If that is the case, why am I reading about the Roman civil law remedies for insults?

And if it is not the case, why the hell am I here at all?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Apr 2010, 12:08
Because they feel like they need to release "Well-rounded" students into the world, rather than ones that know what they need to know for their job. Vo-tech colleges avoid that idea, but if you are doing something that isn't covered by a certification, you are out of luck there.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Apr 2010, 15:18
Well-rounded? There are only two universities in the country who make Roman law compulsory , which suggests it is not necessary in order to be well-rounded. I don't want to know what I need for a job, I want to study what I care about! Which is not the muddled, messy, obselete law of people who have been dead for centuries.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 21 Apr 2010, 15:34
I spent today learning about Eeveelution, when I should've been taking notes on scientific thinking, and the history of Microsoft since 1981. Day well spent.

Ooh also I totally pulled a 2:1 in my maths when I was expecting to scrape the barrel thanks to logarithms, apparently I understood them a lot more than I thought i did because holy shit I was not expecting that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Dimmukane on 21 Apr 2010, 16:55
Sweet, I'm done next spring and not next fall like I originally thought.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 21 Apr 2010, 23:09
Well-rounded? There are only two universities in the country who make Roman law compulsory , which suggests it is not necessary in order to be well-rounded. I don't want to know what I need for a job, I want to study what I care about! Which is not the muddled, messy, obselete law of people who have been dead for centuries.
Then it's for the "prestige". At least you don't have to learn Latin.

Whereas I'm stuck here trying to work out what the fuck your common law did to the rules of equity.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 22 Apr 2010, 02:23
I wouldn't be surprised if May's response is that she's also learning Latin.

The presentation went okay I think! There were some grilling questions, but also some, "yeah that's true" head nods, which I thought was a good thing.

Now on to pass 7 exams and I should be able to snatch a 2:1
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 22 Apr 2010, 03:20
Out of all the lecturers I have had, all bar one have actively discouraged us from using any Latin at all ever, something I find a bit annoying considering how important stuff like the equitable maxims are and how courts still drag out from time to time.

The other demanded that we know all the Latin phrases he taught us, and included them in questions in a closed-book test to make sure. I liked that guy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 22 Apr 2010, 04:40
I don't want to know what I need for a job, I want to study what I care about!

At least your objection is the right one.  One of the saddest things in a university these days is seeing how it's now becoming commonplace for students when given an assignment to ask: "is it assessed for credit?"; they don't care about learning, just getting a qualification.  But sometimes in later life you discover that things you learnt which seemed useless at the time do in fact have some benefits; not always, though!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 Apr 2010, 07:22
I'm not actually learning latin, because the lecturers assume we already speak it. We have one guy who lectures half in latin, half in English without translating, so I'm learning it by osmosis out of necessity :(
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Apr 2010, 10:55
I wonder how many students eventually go mad, yell "It's a dead language for a reason, you fucks!" and go running out of the classroom screaming.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 Apr 2010, 11:52
For me it is not merely a dead language, it is a dead civilisation and as such I do not care about its law. I do not care. I DO NOT CARE. I don't care if it formed the building blocks to our civil law; if it is particuarly interesting or relevant then it will assuredly be present in one of my other (MODERN) law modules (and I'm told it does rear its head in land law).

I think I'd actually enjoy it with a decent teacher. I was thinking about that earlier - I just had a constitutional law supervision on freedom of expression and the right to privacy, and it was really enjoyable not just discussing the topic but also doing the reading for it beforehand. That's because I'm passionate about this subject, I really care. And that's due at least in part to the fact that my supervisor encourages us to discuss and think about it; she brings it to life. She does not, as my Roman law supervisor does, merely talk for an hour, telling us things that we already know from the reading. There isn't a lot else to do with Roman - lord knows it isn't a developing area of law - but still.

GAH it's so frustrating, once every fortnight I get a taste of how it can be with constitutional, and the rest of the time it is a long, cold slog up a hill in pouring rain, knowing perfectly well that when I get to the top I will just have to slide down and climb it again with another set of subjects next year.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 23 Apr 2010, 07:11
So I've totally spent the past few weeks researching and writing a paper on "The History of Microsoft Since 1981", and after reading through my essay today and seeing that it's already 500 words over limit, and unfinished, he's forcing me to cap the dates in my title. I now have the choice of either:



So I've either done 10 years extra research, or 15 years extra research. I'm actually undecided which title to roll with though, with the latter I get to include Me and 2000, if I go for the former I'm missing out Windows 98, but I can do huge amounts on the NT system, and include more things about the kernel changes.

DON'T KNOWWWWWWW
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 28 Apr 2010, 05:21
I got a conditional offer of 2.1 for a masters in media and design here. This should be achievable I hope.

Yay!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 28 Apr 2010, 13:30
Oh god, exams from Monday to Friday next week, I'm going completely insane trying to grasp all the words in the books and compendiums, this is too much at once! Couldn't they just have spread the exams out a little? On top of everything the prof decided to give us the translated versions of rather large essays to read, which would have been okay if only they were translated to Norwegian, but they're translated to Swedish! From English! First of all, if possible: Read everything in the original language (which is no problem in this case, everyone knows English). Second, Swedish is really hard to read! I don't know a single Norwegian who finds Swedish easier to read than English. In other words: The professor here managed to make it more difficult for the students to study while at the same time lowering the quality of the studying material, way to go.

On the bright side I'll be done with my bachelor as of Friday next week at 1 pm. Woo!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 28 Apr 2010, 14:32
Sounds like a really stupid move on your prof's part, Metope. Do you have any way of accessing the essays in English? Anyway, go for that end sprint!

Unbelievably enough, I scored a 35/40 on the mutliple choice test about neuroanatomy and physiology of last Friday. It had a lot of dry facts to go through, most notably all the neuron and brain structures and their functions in both human and rat, and I hadn't memorized nearly enough of them. Fortunately, the student's association has the exams of previous years posted online, and they appeared to recycle about 80 questions over the past three years, so that made me pretty confident I could get the 25 correct questions needed, but I never expected to only get five of them wrong! The next course is about 'perception and visual consciousness', whatever that means, but it's bound to be more interesting than this one. Woo, brains!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 29 Apr 2010, 02:23
Out of all the lecturers I have had, all bar one have actively discouraged us from using any Latin at all ever, something I find a bit annoying considering how important stuff like the equitable maxims are and how courts still drag out from time to time.

The other demanded that we know all the Latin phrases he taught us, and included them in questions in a closed-book test to make sure. I liked that guy.

I'm guessing that the first group of lecturers didn't share tables with the last one.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Durin on 30 Apr 2010, 16:19
I just denied my offer to University of Texas.

University of Illinois, here I come. I love corn fields! I love them so much!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 May 2010, 08:02
So this morning I sat an exam which was identical to the December diet exam that the foreign exchange students sat. I'm cursing a little bit because I looked at it but didn't thoroughly go through all the questions. On the other hand, I thought I was going to fail that exam, so it was a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 03 May 2010, 09:36
I've got a meeting with an academic advisor at the school I'm heavily leaning towards today. Oh god, I'm actually going back to school.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 09 May 2010, 21:07
Hey guys, I graduate this Saturday! (If I do well on my finals, of course.)

Congrats to all those who already have this semester!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ForteBass on 20 May 2010, 20:43
Guys, I am in a bit of a quandary. See, I've been trying to graduate for years. I couldn't afford full time classes anymore and took up a full time position at the university I was attending. I've been reaping the benefits of taking a free class per semester, slowly working my way towards being able to graduate. This plan has been going fairly well, but a class I am taking right now has me pondering taking up a minor in history. This would mean it would take me even longer to graduate. What do you think, oh mighty interwebs?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 21 May 2010, 04:56
JAVA!

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs263.snc3/27821_519780900599_284800234_1037772_4133388_n.jpg)

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 May 2010, 05:08
ForteBass, if you're happy with your current situation then go for the minor! A year or so extra in a job you like, studying something you enjoy, should be fun. But if you're itching to graduate and do something different, then don't do the minor and you can always come back to it in the future if you still want to study it.

Internets, I am swinging wildly between thinking that I'm absolutely fine for my Criminal law exam, because there's a lot of stuff I know very thoroughly from A level, and thinking "oh crap I haven't done any revision for this at all!". I've focused mainly on the subject I really care about, and I've put off the ones that are later on, but Criminal falls throug the gaps. Eek! I don't want to do badly, but I also don't want to panic and stress about it...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thomas Edison on 17 Sep 2010, 05:44
I move into halls in 2 days and I have just found out my room mate is a Malaysian student who goes by the name of 'Edison'.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Spluff on 17 Sep 2010, 05:48
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 17 Sep 2010, 06:11
FIGHT TO THE DEATH
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Allybee on 18 Sep 2010, 14:32
using an empty pbr as an incense holder. COLLEGE
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 18 Sep 2010, 19:44
hey tania, remember when you said you would quit smoking and start exercising and eating well every day during grad school cos life was going to get real nice and easy

now that you work constantly and do hundreds of pages of readings every week and never go to sleep earlier than 1am i bet you feel pretty dumb, don't you
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Buttfranklin on 18 Sep 2010, 21:35
First college exam this Tuesday!  I'm not concerned at all!  Wheee
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Sep 2010, 09:19
Guys guys guys guys this time next week I'll be back at uni arranging my NEW CUSHIONS and NEW PICTURES and NEW CAKE TIN in my NEW ROOM. And then I'll go meet my college children! Well, the one who will also be moving in that early. Then I'll go to London for a day, then go SKATE AGAIN and then have dinner with the aforementioned children and then go to a drinks party and then maybe start a tutoring job and then man I am going to be just as busy this year, aren't I?

I'm so excited. I almost wrote sexcited and actually that wouldn't have been far off how excited I am about going back except that it will be better than sex because I won't have to clean up afterwards and hope for a phone call the next day.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 23 Sep 2010, 11:37
dang man. My course don't even have like... exams.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 23 Sep 2010, 15:22
clean up afterwards

Exactly what the hell kind of sex are you having anyway?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 23 Sep 2010, 18:01
clean up afterwards

Exactly what the hell kind of sex are you having anyway?

The good kind.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 23 Sep 2010, 18:35
Exactly what the hell kind of sex are you having anyway?

Do you really want an answer?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: greenMonkey on 23 Sep 2010, 21:12
College.  Too much work.  Five pager on Kant due this weekend.  No fun.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 24 Sep 2010, 07:21
Been back a week.

Over it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 24 Sep 2010, 08:20
Today is my third day. I can tell I'll like my teaching classes. However, having my loans come in would be nice, so I could buy books and stuff. Also some girl in ceramics yesterday was confusing the shit out of me. I think I took "her table", but I took an empty shelf and she kept trying to get me to take "her shelf" which was full of her stuff. Which I don't really understand. She didn't ask me if she could have had the table she had last quarter (which I would have let her have), she just kept trying to convince me to take a shelf that had all her shit on it. College kids! I do not miss their weird ways!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thomas Edison on 24 Sep 2010, 10:24
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs340.ash2/62047_1508760572534_1639945735_1222873_6542203_n.jpg)

University.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 26 Sep 2010, 03:29
i am coming to party with you
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Sep 2010, 07:39
clean up afterwards

Exactly what the hell kind of sex are you having anyway?

You're probably right, unpacking all the boxes and suitcases will take far longer than changing the sheets.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 11 Feb 2011, 20:56
So I got a call today from a rep of Northwestern University's Continuing Ed department. He had heard that I was expressing interest in a Masters of Public Policy and Administration and we set up a time next week to talk about possibilities.

I'm excited! Living in Chicago would just be a dream. There are a couple of issues: For one, my mom says this isn't "real grad school" because the people who called me were from continuing ed (meaning if I signed up I'd be taking night classes, or something). I don't know if she knows what she's talking about. I assume she must because she's been a grad student a number of times.

There's also the issue of just how exactly Northwestern knew to get in touch with me. I got an email saying the "process had started" but I hadn't contacted them, and my mom denied having done so on my behalf. We suspect that one of my mom's old boyfriends had intervened on my behalf - she had contacted him, the head of the Poli Sci department at some private university, to inquire about what I could do with a Poli Sci bachelors and where I could take it, grad school-wise. It was he who suggested the MPPA program at Northwestern.

So that's exciting! At this point I have no idea if I meet the requirements for enrollment (3.76 GPA, hopefully 3.8 by semester's end) but I guess we'll see!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 13 Feb 2011, 16:42
Turns out ex-BF guy did not contact Northwestern. (http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-iiam.gif)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Buttfranklin on 13 Feb 2011, 19:20
Could be a phisher?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 13 Feb 2011, 20:12
If it is a phisher he's working pretty hard - calling me on the phone, maintaining a number of official-looking email addresses that all link to Northwestern websites, sending me brochures from "[email protected]". I would be pretty impressed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 18 Feb 2011, 14:46
IT IS A SIGN. TURN TO GOD, MY CHILD.  :angel:  8-)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 25 Feb 2011, 14:03
Right! So I met with the PA bro at my school and she really hammered home the importance of accreditation (http://naspaa.org/accreditation/NS/Roster.asp) in choosing a program. There are a lot of guarantees that go along with accreditation (at least 6 faculty members committed full-time to the program, internship placement, job placement statistics published yearly, etc.) plus Federal appointment is tons more likely given that they specifically look to accredited programs for staff. That eliminates Northwestern, unfortunately. Here is my prelim list:

San Francisco State University
University of Colorado Denver
The University of Illinois at Chicago
Northeastern University
Syracuse University
Portland State University
Carnegie Mellon University
The University of Texas at Austin
University of Washington

After my mom did some snooping, it looks like Northeastern may be phasing out its program (?) and she pointed out the John Jay College of Criminal Justice has an accredited program focusing on, you guessed it, Criminal Justice Administration. That sounds really exciting to me in general, plus it would be an opportunity to further my WS focus, or at least allow me to provide a strong personal statement for admissions. That's in NYC. U of I is obviously in Chicago and I love Chicago, plus it is a bit cheaper than NYC, living-wise.

My mom also discovered that UT Austin requires Calc-level math skills, which I lack, so that's out. So here's what I'm left with after a day of investigation, with the ones I'm looking hard at bolded, and others struck out.

San Francisco State University
University of Colorado Denver
The University of Illinois at Chicago
Northeastern University
Syracuse University
Portland State University
Carnegie Mellon University
The University of Texas at Austin
University of Washington
John Jay College of Criminal Justice
Columbia
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 25 Feb 2011, 16:40
BE A CRIMINOLOGIST
BE A CRIMINOLOGIST
BE A GOD DAMN CRIMINOLOGIST
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 25 Feb 2011, 16:43
think about all the conversations about criminal justice policy reform we could have!!

we could have so many conversations about that
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: imagist42 on 25 Feb 2011, 16:52
Man don't rule out UT just because of Calculus, Austin is a goddamned fine place to live.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 25 Feb 2011, 17:36
Oh hey you guys guess what happened. So I applied to go back to uni for post-grad studies. Apparently due to system errors they didn't send me my offer to let me know I got in but I called them yesterday just to make absolutely triple fucking sure that I didn't get in and I fucking did. Classes start on Monday and I have to quit my job immediately and have no money ever again all while we are applying for new places to live. This is simultaneously the best and worst thing that could happen right now. I can't even get into the uni website to choose my classes because I won't get my offer until AFTER semester starts so I just have to show up to shit next week and explain repeatedly why I'm not on the student lists and shit.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Cernunnos on 25 Feb 2011, 17:38
holy shit congratulations jimmy!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 25 Feb 2011, 17:44
My grad app is due Monday. I still haven't asked people for letters. Why? Because of shit piling up and me being too afraid to ask. Don't do this people. Don't ever do this. It is bad. I am freaking out right now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 25 Feb 2011, 17:51
think about all the conversations about criminal justice policy reform we could have!!

we could have so many conversations about that
Technically I'd be a student of Public Administration with a Criminal Justice Policy focus. So I'd probably just tell you all about how your methods are unfeasible.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 25 Feb 2011, 18:12
I would imagine it's more likely that a stats class would be required for criminal justice, even though I think everyone who has a four-year degree should have at least one semester of calculus.

Quote
Note: The successful completion of undergraduate-level calculus and statistics (or validation of proficiency through testing) is required of all LBJ School students prior to enrollment in the quantitative sequence of the core curriculum. Students who have not completed formal undergraduate coursework in calculus and statistics are required to pass validation exams offered by the LBJ School prior to the beginning of the semester. Two separate exams are offered, one on calculus and the other on statistics. Students have to take only the one for which they have not taken an undergraduate course.
No fucking way am I taking calculus. I burned myself out in College Algebra (even though I got an A, somehow). UT Austin seems particularly statistics-focused, so that might be why. John Jay has a stats requirement but not a calc one.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 25 Feb 2011, 18:13
Technically I'd be a student of Public Administration with a Criminal Justice Policy focus. So I'd probably just tell you all about how your methods are unfeasible.

i'll take what i can get! join ussssss
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 26 Feb 2011, 10:27
The more and more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that I'll want to go into some sort of english/cultural studies program, or into philosophy, probably philosophy of science. Not going to be right around the corner either way, since I'm definitely going to take at least a year off after I get my bachelors this May, but it's making me conscious that I'll need to keep in touch with a few of my professors, so I'll send off some emails this week, try and schedule a meeting or something to discuss this sort of transition. I have no idea how common or acceptable it is to make that sort of transfer, and I really would like to go into a masters program or something right away, rather than having to deal with getting a second bachelors degree.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 26 Feb 2011, 13:21
I start my second year of uni tomorrow. Everyone I've talked to about it says that histology is such a bitch (8 hrs a week of classes, 50:50 lectures and labs) and totally hard. I'll also be at uni from 9-6 5 days a week, due to these really annoying three hour breaks between some classes. Unlike last year, I won't have to run from the bottom to the top to get to consecutive classes because my classes are all up the top near the Wallace Wurth.

Additionally, hooray for gov't and corporate rebates! In the end the cost of my replacement Mac and iPod is mostly nothing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: McTaggart on 26 Feb 2011, 21:55
I'm starting my second second year tomorrow too. Oh god I've been at this so long and have nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Spluff on 27 Feb 2011, 15:40
got sick for the first time in almost 2 years, missed my first three lectures

all in all, a good start to university life
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 27 Feb 2011, 15:45
Hey, that's how I started too a few years back! Got mono/glandular fever two days before first day of uni, and spent the next month and a half in bed. Missed out on all the social stuff of being a fresher and had to do a whole semester's worth of work in a month, good times.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 27 Feb 2011, 16:38
Eh, nothing really happens in the first week it's all introductions and shit.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2011, 17:38
The more and more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that I'll want to go into some sort of english/cultural studies program, or into philosophy, probably philosophy of science. Not going to be right around the corner either way, since I'm definitely going to take at least a year off after I get my bachelors this May, but it's making me conscious that I'll need to keep in touch with a few of my professors, so I'll send off some emails this week, try and schedule a meeting or something to discuss this sort of transition. I have no idea how common or acceptable it is to make that sort of transfer, and I really would like to go into a masters program or something right away, rather than having to deal with getting a second bachelors degree.

English/Cultural Studies (which I assume means lots of critical theory) and Philosophy of Science are both mad interesting, but seemingly very distinct fields.  What are you getting your bachelor's degree in?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 28 Feb 2011, 08:26
2 out of the 3 professors I emailed Friday about rec letters have responded with a yes, thank goodness. Now I'm only worrying about the last one (the retired one), so if I don't get an answer after my next class, I'm going to the office to see if there's another way of contacting him. Granted, I have no idea what he's doing, so I may have to ask another faculty member which would be pretty bad. (Sanity wise.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 01 Mar 2011, 21:45
English/Cultural Studies (which I assume means lots of critical theory) and Philosophy of Science are both mad interesting, but seemingly very distinct fields.  What are you getting your bachelor's degree in?

Neuroscience, with a minor in Linguistics, at McGill. I spend more time reading and discussing things which are far outside the scope of those fields than I devote to my schoolwork though. I read far in excess of anyone else I know, in my everyday life, and am pretty well versed in a large variety of fields as a result (try me if you really want). I'm helped further by the fact that the majority of my friends study things like cultural studies, philosophy, and political science, and are generally involved in radical politics and actions. Of course, a lot of this cultural literacy is not something which will show up on a transcript from McGill, though I have managed to get A's in an upper level philosophy class, an Italian cinema classes, and decently complex modernist poetry class which I've taken, and in each of those classes was mistaken for someone who was specializing in the particular field, and when the course was over told that I should continue my studies in that direction.

I'm by no means settled on what it is I want to do later, I just know it is going to be at least a fair bit disconnected from what I'm studying now, and I really have very little idea how graduate programs would react to such a complete turn around in subject matter, even if I got references.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 Mar 2011, 03:14
As far as I know most graduate programs let you do a pretty big change around in direction. My flatmate did his undergraduate degree in Philosophy and came here to do a Masters in Computer Science.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 03 Mar 2011, 03:26
Yeah, my uncle got a bachelor's in some sort of music-related degree, and then went on to get an MD.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Mar 2011, 05:28
I just found out that since I left this year, I've been bumped off the room ballot and will be allocated a room as if I were an incoming first year. This is absolutely shitty news so I'm considering moving out. My own flat! Eeeeeeeeeeeee! And it seems financially viable because college rent is ridiculous.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Gemmwah on 03 Mar 2011, 08:36
Nominations for the student board close in less than 24 hours. My manifesto is written, all questions asked have been answered, my publicity has been designed and printed, and all I need now is a thumb drive to save it all to, a couple of passport photos, and a tenner. Then I will officially be a candidate for the UPSU student elections this year and I am going to kick so much ass WOOOWOWOWOWOWOOOOO!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 03 Mar 2011, 10:51
So it turns out I need a stats class to get into most / all MPA programs, and in order to graduate I need to take a 300-level course. Which means I'll probably have to take "Introduction to Statistical Methods" over the Summer. It will probably be grueling! But it's necessary.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 03 Mar 2011, 13:16
English/Cultural Studies (which I assume means lots of critical theory) and Philosophy of Science are both mad interesting, but seemingly very distinct fields.

In visiting the Rhetoric and Technical Communication program at Michigan Tech last month, I met a lot of people interested/working in the rhetoric of science, which is pretty much cultural studies OF the philosophy of science.

One woman, for example, was interested in the understanding/rhetorical presentation of breastfeeding methods.  Another had done his master's thesis on pamphlets about treatment of diabetes throughout history.

The cool thing about the Michigan Tech program is that their humanities department combines English and Philosophy and Communication and Cultural Studies and so on; so you can have professors from Philosophy AND from English on your committee.  It might be worth checking out, Joseph, if you're interested in that sort of thing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Christophe on 03 Mar 2011, 13:30
Hey Guys,

So my B.S. is in the field of Management. Yadda yadda it was an okay show for four years but I think that somewhere along down the road I'd want to start going to school again for things that either interest me or would be helpful in a field I actually want to work in.

The concentrations that I want to look into are either Electrical Engineering and/or Acoustic Engineering or basically something like a Full Sail-type recording school, but accredited. The thing is though, I totally and utterly fucking suck at anything math and science related. The fields I'd be interested in studying probably have a lot to do with those things.

In the future I'd really love to work as a recording engineer in a studio or as a live sound engineer at a concert venue. Currently I run sound at the local bar in town for live music and while I've learned a lot, I'm sure it pales to what I could be learning about at an actual institution.

Uhh... so where do I go from here?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 03 Mar 2011, 21:39
Out of curiosity, clownshoe, why exactly does it sound like a joke?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 03 Mar 2011, 23:45
Ah.  So it's the old argument about the importance of the humanities in general (emphasis on the "old": Plato banning the artists from his Republic, etc.).  Not something I want to get into here, really.  I only asked because I thought you might have taken some particular umbrage with the diabetes studies comment.  Suffice to say, most people agree with you.

For the record, though, the field that I'm going into boasts a 95-100% tenure-track placement rate of PhD graduates, which is significantly better than the placement rate for law school grads (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11038/1123010-499.stm), into jobs that pay at the higher end of the academic pay scale.  These jobs do, at least in my obviously biased mind, contribute to the "betterment of society": writing program administrators design curriculum for first-year composition courses, train teaching associates, and direct writing centers, in addition to their duties as professors.  The things people say about English majors' job prospects--I can't tell you how many times I've heard the Starbucks-barista-for-the-rest-of-your-life crack--simply aren't true of people going into Composition and Rhetoric.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 03 Mar 2011, 23:47
So John Jay is out - heard from my department chair that their program, while accredited, is not particularly well regarded. And he knows the assistant dean of admissions at Northeastern who says the MPA program is definitely still in, so Northeastern is back on the table.

Oh well!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 04 Mar 2011, 03:37
Nominations for the student board close in less than 24 hours. My manifesto is written, all questions asked have been answered, my publicity has been designed and printed, and all I need now is a thumb drive to save it all to, a couple of passport photos, and a tenner. Then I will officially be a candidate for the UPSU student elections this year and I am going to kick so much ass WOOOWOWOWOWOWOOOOO!
I hated my LSS the first year I was involved but this year I am in charge of the sponsorship portfolio and it's pretty fantastic.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Mar 2011, 06:29
lucrative career.

grad school is lucrative? where are these money-making programs and why didn't anyone tell me before i signed up for this bullshit

also speaking of "useless" humanities here is a fun email i got from vancouver island university a couple of weeks ago which actually made my blood boil (these specific parts are highlighted)

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Dear Colleagues,

I apologize for the length of this e-mail, which details devastating budget cuts to the Department of Sociology at Vancouver Island University (VIU).

The Sociology Department has been directed to cut $160,000 from our operating budget. We have yet to crunch the numbers, but this reflects in the range of 12 to 15 sections out of our "magic number" of 30 sections (the total number of sections we can offer). We have three part time and three full time faculty members in the department of Sociology.

If this cut goes through as presented, it will leave us with between 15 and 18 sections in total. We will immediately lose two faculty members, and the workload of a third member will likely be greatly reduced (this will depend on the number of sections cut). We will immediately lose our Major, and it is not clear that we will be able to offer a Minor. These cuts are particularly troubling given that we, like every other department in the Social Sciences, are operating at or near capacity. Given the very high demand for all Social Science courses, we find this targeted cut perplexing and deeply disturbing, particularly because we have not been presented with a rationale for why the Sociology department was cut so deeply.

We, like other departments, were expecting that the budget cuts would affect us, but we were not prepared to have our program essentially cancelled. We are trying to absorb the news, working together to strategize as to how to respond, and plan for the effects on our students. With the potential lay-off of three of our faculty members, and with one member on leave, this very difficult work falls in the hands of a few people. We are deeply concerned that a department of 15 to 18 sections is simply not viable, and that our remaining faculty will be vulnerable in the next round of budget cuts.

In addition to our Major and Minor, we play a key role in the Global Studies program, provide electives for the Criminology program and upper level courses for the Women's Studies program, provide courses for the new Political Studies Major, and support to a wide range of programs across campus. We feel that this proposed cut greatly devalues the hard work that we have been doing in the Faculty. We are greatly concerned that the discipline itself will disappear from the intellectual landscape in the Faculty of Social Sciences, and at VIU. In essence, it suggests to us that our department is not of value to the university as a whole, or to the Faculty of Social Sciences.

In this fiscal climate, we do not see that recovery from this kind of cut would be possible, and indeed we believe that the cuts will make it impossible for us to do anything other than service other departments at the first and second year levels. As you might expect, this dramatically alters the working lives of those few department members who have not lost their positions.

Given the discipline's often low public profile, we feel it is important that our colleagues at other institutions know what is happening to Sociology at VIU. In most universities Sociology departments are highly valued and play a key part in the intellectual life of the academy. We are more than saddened that this voice may be silenced at VIU, worried that it may happen at other institutions, and we would appreciate any insight, perspective, or help you might have to offer. Outrage works too.

If you're still reading -- thank you for your patience and support.

nnnggghhgghhhhhhh
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Mar 2011, 06:36
Oh dear - I thought that sort of thing was a UK special, right now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 04 Mar 2011, 07:56
As far as I know most graduate programs let you do a pretty big change around in direction. My flatmate did his undergraduate degree in Philosophy and came here to do a Masters in Computer Science.

I hear about that stuff from time to time, and would love to do that myself.  I'm getting a Polysci degree next year, and am trying to figure out what undergrad CS classes I would need before a program would even look at me with a BA background.  I'm interested in medicine and computers (neural engineering type stuff) and was just considering trying for another bachelors degree in BME and moving on with that.  If I could skip a lot more undergrad stuff and move on I would absolutely prefer that.  Does anyone know much about doing that kind of thing?

Unrelated university thing.  My state legislature is voting if we(students) should be allowed to have guns on our campuses today.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Coward on 04 Mar 2011, 08:43
That doesn't sound too good.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 04 Mar 2011, 12:30
I wrote some long thing about why humanities are important, but whatever. They give you a chance to use the other side of your brain and help your education to be more well rounded. And considering there are so many of them, suck it up and find something that interests you. (This "you" is a a general "you", not anyone specific.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 04 Mar 2011, 12:40
I didn't mean to sound combative, clownshoe; I'm sorry if it came across that way.  And I don't think it's at all irrational to choose computer science over the humanities.  My boyfriend's getting his bachelor's in computer science, and he can make up to $100/hr coding blogs for people... with a Master's in English, I make about $12/hr.  I am trying to teach myself php so I can get small coding jobs on the side, because it's incredibly lucrative. If you choose to go into a field because you love it, you have to acknowledge the fact that you may not make as much as someone who does a trade that's in high demand. 

It was only your "betterment of society" comment that irked me, but I realize that you're simply parroting things you've been told.  And it only irked me because I've been told the same thing, many, many times.  So if you detected any bitterness in my tone, it was not directed at you but at thousands of years of people claiming society would be better if all those pesky artists and writers and actors and musicians would stop farting around do something worthwhile for once like fighting in a war or making Wordpress themes, goddamnit.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: horsefish on 05 Mar 2011, 10:01
I'm currently working on a post-master's degree, mostly because at my current salary, I can't afford the payments on the student loans from my bachelor's and master's, and I don't have to make those payments as long as I am enrolled in school at least half time.  Of course, I'm taking more student loans to finance this degree, which will do little or nothing to enhance my salary.  :psyduck:

I'm basically a one-man academic pyramid scheme. 8-)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 05 Mar 2011, 13:16
My attitude about college is getting rather muddled. I'm very glad I went to not only undergrad but grad school, but I wonder to what extent all that schooling actually improved my life. Like, I don't regret any of it but at the same time I have to take stock of the fact that I earned a bachelor's degree in biology, a master's degree in fine arts, and now I spend most of my time doing computer programming. huh?

Although I'm maybe better off not having studied computer science, because I see so many people whose minds are warped by Java.

Unrelated university thing.  My state legislature is voting if we(students) should be allowed to have guns on our campuses today.  :psyduck:

Colbert had a funny bit about how if that law goes through then everyone will get all A's.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 05 Mar 2011, 13:27
Michigan Tech, which I mentioned earlier in this thread, actually has a firing range on campus (in the student union).  Bizarre!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: horsefish on 05 Mar 2011, 14:43
When I went to U. of Arizona, there was a firing range in the basement of the old gym, right across the hall from the Student ID office.  (this is the same gym that served as the ad-hoc nerd barracks in the original Revenge of the Nerds, which was filmed there :-D)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 05 Mar 2011, 15:07
When I went to U. of Arizona, there was a firing range in the basement of the old gym, right across the hall from the Student ID office.  (this is the same gym that served as the ad-hoc nerd barracks in the original Revenge of the Nerds, which was filmed there :-D)

Amurrka.

(edit: quote added for pagebreak)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 05 Mar 2011, 20:08
Radical, I would imagine that each school would have different views on admitting someone into their CS grad program with little to no experience. I imagine most schools that would accept a non-CS grad would want a couple intro programming courses, and a data structures/algorithms course. This would allow you to have some experience with the method and logic of programming. A good start would be to sit down with someone in the CS department at your school.

That's really good advice.  I've been looking at other programs because I plan to move when I get my BA, but never considered talking to an advisor for the programs I have here. Thanks.

I know Utah is currently the only state (it is in their state constitution) where you can CCW anywhere on any of their campuses.  Arizona and Texas are looking at a similar law to, where I am, Idaho.  I just don't see how all the upperclassmen being armed would enhance my university experience.  I guess Revenge of the Nerds would have been a lot shorter if they took their revenge with guns.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 06 Mar 2011, 15:08
I completed that 3000-word paper on connectomics today, and in celebration, I killed a thousand demons in Painkiller: Redemption.

Now all that's left to do is to complete the data analysis assignment I'm doing with four other people. It turned out pretty okay, seeing as the tasks could be distributed easily, but I still get a bad feeling every time we need to do a group project.

With every assignment that you're doing with three people or more, one person (or more) is inevitably going to slack off and have the other two (or more) people do all the work. I've had projects where I was the slacker and projects where I was doing all the work, and I've found that the hard workers can often facilitate others slacking off by leaving them no work to do because 'they will mess it up anyway'. It sucks both ways.

For me, the ideal collaboration is between two people, so that both involved feel that they have responsibility towards the other, and that it will inevitably go wrong if they go behind each other's backs. It's better than working alone, when you have no one to tell you off when slacking.

So how are your experiences with group projects? Good, or bad?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2011, 16:37
A lot of colleges that have been around for a while have/had a firing range. It was pretty common to have a competitive rifle team up until later in the 20th century. Some colleges still have competitive shooting teams. Colorado State has a shotgun team that goes around the country for competitions. They don't shoot clays on campus, though.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 06 Mar 2011, 17:35
A lot of colleges that have been around for a while have/had a firing range. It was pretty common to have a competitive rifle team

Yeah my highschool had a riflery team. The new law under scrutiny isn't just to allow guns on campus but to allow students to carry around concealed handguns:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/22/texas-weighing-concealed-handguns-on-campus/
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2011, 17:56
Yeah. I didn't want to get into another goddamn gun debate, though. It always turns into "Well I feel" this, and "Well I feel" that.

CSU has allowed guns on campus for a long time, and most of the community colleges in Colorado were forced to as well, by a lawsuit last year. It's to allow people that already have concealed handgun permits to carry on campus. Practically, that also means they can carry to and from campus, while previously they would have to leave it at home since there are no private gun safes on the edge of campus.

Fun fact, pretty much the same bill was going through Texas legislature in '09. It was looking like it would pass, but then a filibuster of a completely unrelated bill ran the rest of the bills out of time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 07 Mar 2011, 00:35
So how are your experiences with group projects? Good, or bad?

I've been pretty lucky with group assignments so far as most of the time I've gotten to be in groups with people who I am friends with and who are not shit at the class. My thesis this year is going to be based on group work though and as far as I know the groups are allocated based on people living near each other. I live an hour and a half away from my university so I don't know how this is going to go.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Mar 2011, 00:51
I haven't done a group assignment since I was sixteen, unless you count the intra-college mooting competition we had to do in first year and even then we just divided up the work and got on with it alone. I don't understand why a university degree would include group work in its assessment, since it is so easy for someone else's work to influence your grade. Then again, I don't really understand how the American and American-style university system works at all.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Eris on 07 Mar 2011, 00:57
When I did group work you had the individual's mark and then a mark for the whole presentation. This was good because one guy was supposed to be in another group but didn't go to it and got shoved into ours, and never came to any of the meetings we had. The rest of the presentation was good, but his part rambled and went off topic and we had to try and fix it on the fly. I think we might have gained some marks for showing we knew enough about the topic to cover for this idiot, but still.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 07 Mar 2011, 05:27
I don't understand why a university degree would include group work in its assessment, since it is so easy for someone else's work to influence your grade.

Well the counter argument is that in the real world everything you do is group work and you are never judged in isolation of the influence of your colleagues.

I mean, I suppose it depends on the discipline, so saying "everything is group work" is hyperbole.

I think we might have gained some marks for showing we knew enough about the topic to cover for this idiot, but still.

Good teachers will count highly a smooth recovery from disaster. Life is a series of mishaps after all, and what's really important is how you recover from them. I once received praise after a presentation where my slides got corrupted so I just went to the blackboard and drew them.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 07 Mar 2011, 05:42
I hate group projects and always have. I was REALLY lucky to have been grouped with very good people for my teaching this quarter (we were excellent and completely rocked our unit), but even though all the grad students are very smart in my program, there are some who I don't want to work with. Some people are FAR too pushy or too emotional and when shoved into a group together, this creates a ton of problems. One of my friends got put into a group like that and his group is doing horribly. I feel bad, because I know he's an excellent teacher, but he's not a confrontational guy and his group can't stop fighting with each other. (He also got thrown under the bus by a group member because she's terrified of our professor, which honestly I do not get.)

Also I was about to kill some people for a group presentation for putting off meeting for so long, but we cranked it out and did a great presentation, so I don't want to kill them anymore. But I sure as hell don't want to do that ever again. (We put an hour long presentation together in two days and one of the members didn't even contact anyone until the night before it was due, so we had to insert her into part of it, even though she did no work.)

I mean, I completely understand that working with other people is important, but doing it ALL THE TIME (like I have with one of my classes) is not cool. We're adults with different work schedules and heavy course loads and having to find the time between class, work, and actually doing homework to meet with people who also have these constraints and probably families, too, is just too much. I'm tired of group projects. I want to do stuff on my own. Also I hate that some of my classes are mixed with undergrads. Some of them are lazy or just don't care and I don't want to work with them, but sometimes I have to. Some of them are super cool, but most of them are not. (The undergrads are just getting a teaching license, which are dual or grad level courses they're taking for undergrad credit.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 07 Mar 2011, 05:43
i haven't had any problems with group work during the course of my grad studies because, in massive contrast to my undergrad experience, every single person in my program is really smart and really, really wants to be here. if anything, the level of hard work and determination to achieve that is demonstrated by everyone on a near constant basis is pretty intimidating. grad school in my experience tends to attract a much more serious breed of student because it demands so much more effort and quality in student work. the programs and coursework are designed so that it's near impossible to just cruise through on mediocrity - you can't really succeed in any capacity unless you're actually committed to your research in some way or another. if i get anything less than a B+ average, i actually fail out of my program, a prospect that most students here do not take lightly at all because almost everyone in my program (including me) isn't actually from vancouver at all but moved from much, much further away just to attend the school. however, i'm also speaking from experience in my own program which has a reputation for being fairly selective and competitive, so the types of students you find in grad studies probably varies based on school and program.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 07 Mar 2011, 19:31
Yeah, I took a few college courses in high school via a local community college and on a couple of occasions group work just meant that I did the entire thing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Alex C on 07 Mar 2011, 19:34
Admittedly, it may have been because I was an absolute tyrant at 17.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 07 Mar 2011, 19:41
I straight up told a group once that I didn't want to meet with them. But I was a sophomore, didn't live anywhere near campus, and generally hated my entire class. Yay electives! I think this was the same class that nobody except me and one other lady would answer any questions. And I mean nobody. The only reason I'd answer was because silence was unbearable and I hated it more than I hated my classmates.

But it was an interesting class! We read adventure novels! (Treasure Island, King Solomon's Mines, The Sign of Four, and The Moonstone.) We watched movies and had interesting assignments and...nobody gave a fuck. It made me sad.

This makes me sound like I hated undergrad, which I didn't. I had a good time. My major classes and most of my electives were quite enjoyable. This was just one of the bad ones.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Mar 2011, 23:01
I have always had good results with group projects in college. Granted, this might be because they have all been in my Computer Science classes. Nobody's taking a 3 to 4 credit class that sometimes requires 20+ hours of work per week unless they are really into it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 08 Mar 2011, 05:35
My cohort is really, really small so by the time group work really became a thing that was assessed everybody knew each other so groupwork wasn't something that could be weasled out of. Then again there are some people in the course that nobody wants anything to do with which makes it complicated.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jhocking on 08 Mar 2011, 05:46
I want to relate here the time back when my fiancee was in business school. One night she vented to me about how her partners for one group assignment were slacking and the assignment was due soon and they were behind, and I nodded along because yeah that's an annoying situation. At the end she took a deep breath and asked "so what should I do?" I was mildly startled by the question because to me the answer's obvious: "do the work."

I know you can feel resentful of lazy partners who are making you do more than they do, and you feel resentful about someone else getting credit for your efforts, but ultimately you need to stop worrying about them and do what's best for you. Yeah they'll get some credit, but the important thing is so will you.


Also, if it makes you feel any better know that it's actually possible for your partners in a group effort to do worse than nothing. I was once involved in a project where I finally just went ahead and did the stuff other people were supposed to be doing, and they got mad at me for doing their job. So not only were they not doing their part, I wasn't allowed to do it either.

Fortunately this wasn't a group assignment but rather a project outside of class so I was able to simply dissolve the team. Note that these were very talented friends of mine, guys who went on to work for Google and Microsoft, but the project was simply a lower priority for them than it was for me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 08 Mar 2011, 19:50
Writing a recommendation letter for myself is weird. Especially for a professor who is an eccentric underground comics nerd. I'm so tempted to write, "Lindsey is awesome and knows her shit. The end," but that doesn't make a good letter. I wish it did though.

Also writing formal letters suckssssss. Do not like, this isn't what I want to do, I just want to make pretty things and stuff.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 08 Mar 2011, 19:59
I've got two letters of rec lined up, strong possibility for a third, but I need to narrow down my grad school options and get some sort of template going.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 08 Mar 2011, 20:15
Seriously, google how to write/plan rec letters. It was really helpful and I wish I'd done it a long time ago.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 08 Mar 2011, 21:05
when i asked one of my professors for a recommendation letter for grad school back in 2010, he quite literally responded with a "oh, okay, what do you want me to say about you?" and then sat down and pretty much wrote it out right in front of me. about a week later he mailed me an extra copy of the letter in addition to the ones he sent out to the universities because for some reason or another he felt it was really important to be transparent and honest about the process, even though my other professors did no such thing and i never found out what they said about me and i don't think this is really a thing professors do. either way, it's been handy as a draft in case i ever need to write another one for any reason... that and it's just kind of cool to have a formal letter on hand telling you how awesome you are whenever you need cheering up.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 09 Mar 2011, 12:13
I hadn't realised it was standard practice to sign over the envelope when you write a reference, so when I asked my DoS for one and she not only did that but also posted it herself, I was really worried that she had written "May is a total psychopath who is utterly employable and I can't bear to spend a minute in the same room as her, hire someone else" or something.

I mean, there is no reason why she would have written that as none of it is true, but still. It seemed like you wouldn't write a good thing and then go to such great lengths to hide it.

I got the job though, so whatever.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 15 Mar 2011, 11:20
Ok, so I got an email today from one of the programs I applied to, the one I want to got to most actually, but I don't know what it means and I am freaking out.  Help me oh wise internet. 
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You may have already seen this information in our Facebook group for prospective students (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/UM-SI-Prospective-MSI-Students-2011/177899965577604), but in a effort to ensure that everyone is working with the same information, I am sending this email with further information on SI Scholarship process.  This information can be found in a blog entry at:http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/sitrenches1/archives/2011/03/si_scholarships.html.

Our SI Scholarships are merit-based, and typically cover half of tuition (regardless of your residency status).

We go through 3-4 rounds of SI Scholarship offers (which typically cover 1/2 of tuition) throughout the term. We just completed the first round (late February/early March). Our next round will be in mid to late April, with the next round in mid to late May.

The first round of SI Scholarships are entirely merit-based. Subsequent rounds will always have merit as the primary factor for consideration, but we will also look at your motivation to attend SI and if there is anything in particular about the nature of your financial need.

These additional factors can be demonstrated by professional, consistent communication with us. You are welcome to submit an additional letter/email for the admissions committee's consideration. I've seen previous admissions committees look at your excitement about SI, your efforts in applying for external fellowships, anything particular about the nature of your need, the connections you make at Visiting Days, the professionalism of your interactions, and other things for the subsequent rounds of SI Scholarship.

Merit is still the primary factor, and by merit we mean the stregnth of your statement of purpose and personal statement, your letters of recommendation, your internship/research/work experience, your academic record including your GRE, demonstration of leadership, service, comfort with ambiguity, etc. It is NOT just your GRE/GPA.

If you have questions or would like to send a communication to the admissions committee, please feel free to email [email protected] or you can email me directly at [email protected] For more resources regarding finances and aid, please visit http://si.umich.edu/applying/fin-aid.htm.


Does this mean they have made their first offers and I didn't get one?  Should I be writing another letter to the admissions committee telling them I am awesome?  How does one even do that? I wouldn't know how to even frame a letter like that.  I think my "merit" is pretty good.  I have a 3.4 from a good university.  My GRE scores weren't awesome, but I think they were still plenty good for the program I am applying to.  (630 verbal, 610 Quantitative and only a 4.0 on the essay) But what if it is not?

Does this mean I might not find out if I got in until May? I don't think I can wait that long.  Is this completely separate from admissions, and if so how have they finished their first round of offers when offers of admissions were not supposed to be out until late March? 
also what the hell does "comfort with ambiguity" mean? does that mean this whole email is a test to freak me out? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 Mar 2011, 13:22
It sounds to me like they are just making sure everyone is aware of how they make the decision - rather than informing you of their decision, or even telling you when they will do so. The part about "professional, consistent communication" would suggest that if you write to them about something specific (such as an open day or for information about the course or something) they will rate you higher.  In fact it seems like that is an instruction for you to do just that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 15 Mar 2011, 13:42
It's mostly a, "Hey, this is how we're doing things, just so you know," not something that's meant to freak you out. Offers are usually sent via snail mail, so keep an eye out. If it doesn't show up in a week, write a letter.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 15 Mar 2011, 18:12
Re: snail mail, not the case for the schools where I got accepted.  I got rejection letters via snail mail, but acceptances/fellowship offers via email.

I agree though, that that email sounds like a "heads up" email, rather than a "we've already made all our offers" email.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 15 Mar 2011, 18:22
deadlines may be different in the states, but i didn't get my first offers until mid-march, and my final one (where i'm at now) until the end of april. don't worry yet.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 16 Mar 2011, 15:56
this just in: ha ha ha ha but seriously ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110316/bc_student_debt_110316/20110316?hub=BritishColumbiaHome)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 Mar 2011, 15:58
YEAH TANIA AND ALSO EAT LESS AND STOP HEATING YOUR ROOM, GAWD, DON'T YOU REALISE THERE'S A RECESSION ON?




I am getting cross because all the best, most affordable flats are just over the 3-mile limit from the University Church (meaning I could not live there and fill my residency requirement, which is a requirement to actually graduate). GAH. Some are literally 0.3 miles too far. THAT IS BARELY ANY DISTANCE.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 16 Mar 2011, 17:13
Is there any chance you could get an exemption if you talked to the person in charge of residency?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 16 Mar 2011, 18:41
this just in: ha ha ha ha but seriously ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110316/bc_student_debt_110316/20110316?hub=BritishColumbiaHome)
WTF? Yeah, like people on a tight budget buy coffee from coffee-shops in the first place! It's like "Oh you can easily afford to pay your increased tuition if you just buy one fewer diamond bracelets a year."
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: squawk on 16 Mar 2011, 18:50
I HATE COLLEGE ASHER ROTH LIED TO ME AND I HATE HIM TOO
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 16 Mar 2011, 19:42
I hate college students. College is not bad! Most of the students are pretty terrible, though.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 16 Mar 2011, 19:54
I still like college students more than the workforce I interact with.

Also, I'm going to take a compsci minor because I can still graduate on time in a year.

Also, and also, can you fudge the requirement and have a PO box or something?  It seems like such an arbitrary thing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 16 Mar 2011, 20:08
Guys I need your general tips re: Personal Statements.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 16 Mar 2011, 20:19
Introduce yourself. What have you done? What do you want to do? Why? And they're personal, so don't make them sound too formal. They're mostly an introduction to you as a person instead of you as a piece of paper.

Definitely keep it to one page if you can.

Basically just be likable and let them know what your goals are. It's only a problem if it's badly written, like poor grammar, is irrelevant, flows badly, etc, which I don't think you'll have a problem with.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 16 Mar 2011, 20:28
Tips:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 16 Mar 2011, 23:11
Thanks! I am much more intimidated, now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 17 Mar 2011, 00:12
i think i still have my statement, i could send it to you if you want. i really just wrote a bunch of bullshit about how much i rule
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 17 Mar 2011, 00:14
Do it
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Mar 2011, 03:49
Unfortunately the residency requirement is not something I can get round easily. My options at this point are: find a flat within the 3 mile zone; persuade college to give me back the room on campus which I picked out last year (and which according to their own policy I have a right to return to); accept the almost certainly terrible room they will assign me.

I guess I will have to try the second one, but I really badly want to have my own flat. The possibility has been dangled in front of me and now I just don't want to see it snatched away :(
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 17 Mar 2011, 16:31
May, it's quite possible that landlords know about the .3 rule and adjust their prices accordingly. Unless there's a law against that sort of thing, which wouldn't really do much to help supply in the long run.

This Personal Statement is harrrrrrrd  :cry:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 17 Mar 2011, 16:54
i just sent mine to you but upon reading it over super quick it's like, embarrassingly full of typos so i think i probably sent you a near-finished draft instead of the actual statement i included in my package (which i don't think i have anymore). oops. hopefully it gives enough of a jist of how to do this thing
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 17 Mar 2011, 19:23
I don't know if it would help, but I could send you mine, too.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 18 Mar 2011, 15:45
Update:  I got in to Michigan!! Still no word on financial aid, but I am going to the "visiting days" next weekend.  I did not get into Illinois, but I thought that might happen, weeks after I sent my application I noticed I had put the wrong university name in the closing paragraph of my personal statement :S  I'm not sure that is a mistake you can make up for no matter how awesome the rest of your application is.   I am super psyched though because Michigan was my number 1 choice.  I am waiting to here back from 3 more schools, but unless one of them offers me the most ridiculous funding, I will be going to Michigan.

WOOHOO!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 18 Mar 2011, 16:43
I don't know if it would help, but I could send you mine, too.
The more the merrier!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 18 Mar 2011, 17:20
I got offered a place in the honours program!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Mar 2011, 22:53
I do hope I wasn't expected to read the entire thread before posting (although I suppose I'll try at some point).  But I'm currently going for a masters program in elementary education, while getting certified to teach.  I'm finishing up classes in May, and I'll student teach in the fall.  The actual teaching is fun, but the classes are tiresome.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 30 Mar 2011, 05:42
Guys I think I have my honours question kinda worked out  and I am so excited about this because it is actually probably a really interesting area of law that is fairly recent. Here's to the next nine months.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 30 Mar 2011, 05:52
I have been given my thesis question by my supervisor (I don't get to choose the topic in my course). I have to try and figure out a hypothesis and stuff in about two weeks. Umm... Fuck..

Still, I only have to get through this year and then even if I don't get into Masters I can do a registration program and become a therapist.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 30 Mar 2011, 10:04
So, I went to a rather competitive college-preparatory military school for 12 years, right, and one of the things I have had the hardest time dealing with in my public-university career is how much people just don't care about your education. Now, tenured professors who don't care if you show up and just keep on teachin' because shit, son, they already got paid - that is a different story, but when people are looking for the easiest passing grade or a degree they're never going to actually use, just to have it, and professors care more about their mandatory attendance policy than whether or not the book they chose is actually a good source, it gets... depressing. One of the things I miss about high school is how competitive we all were to be the best in the class: some people were better at maths, some better at writing, yeah, so it was usually confined to each individual course, but there was always that pressure to do well. Sure, there was that kid who made a deal with Georgia Tech to take maths courses because he finished the highest level the high school offered in 9th grade, and there was the guy who got a scholarship for writing a book at 16, but we pretty much accepted that everyone was exceptional in their own way, so it wasn't discouraging when certain people left us so far behind. We still managed to make each other ashamed of failing.

I think I miss that peer pressure, guys, and I dunno what to do about that. Public school sucks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 30 Mar 2011, 10:09
Then turn that attitude around and be all fuck you people, I am far more awesome than your lazy asses and I'm going to fucking prove it. That's what I did in my electives. Mostly because all of my core classes made me feel like a shitty student half the time and I needed something to feel good about.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: WriterofAllWrongs on 30 Mar 2011, 11:10
So, I have a meeting with my English professor in twenty minutes about my paper, and I have written none of it.  I am confident that I can bullshit my way through the meeting, despite only having a slight grasp of what I'm doing with my paper.  I have done this twice already and gotten A's both times.  I fucking love college.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Mar 2011, 12:06
You are the embodiment of the above problem.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Mar 2011, 13:21
I think I miss that peer pressure, guys, and I dunno what to do about that. Public school sucks.
When I was an undergrad, I majored in Classics.  The problem is that other than my advanced Latin classes (and I only took a couple of those), most or all of my other classes (humanities and basic Latin/Greek) were people taking them as a general requirement.  Because of this, there was almost no participation, since they were there not out of interest, but simply for the credit.  It got frustrating after a while.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: benji on 30 Mar 2011, 13:55
I think I miss that peer pressure, guys, and I dunno what to do about that. Public school sucks.

I went to a private liberal arts school where most students were fairly studious. We ranked somewhere in the top 10 for "schools where students never stop studying" in one of those Princeton review surveys. I still had classmates who didn't seem too interested in being in school and who didn't try very hard. There are more competitive schools out there, but you'll generally find some slackers at every school. Private colleges usually just have smarter or richer slackers. You'll also always find highly motivated students everywhere, you might just have to look for them. I'm not sure where you are in school, but if you're still undecided about major, I recommend choosing a major that really challenges as well as interests you. Then, once you've figured out your major, pick the smartest person in your department and befriend them. You'll probably keep each other on your toes.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 30 Mar 2011, 14:50
Best thing about my degree is that, because graduate employment is so competitive and especially so now because we are the third law school to set up in our cosy little state, people who give a shit really give a shit. Even if they're not especially academically adept they are still trying to get work experience or participate in competitions or something to give them some sort of edge.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: allison on 30 Mar 2011, 16:12
On the other side of the coin are people who are annoyed that you judge their choices without considering the reasons that they might not be SUPER SUPER EXCITED about learning, like you are!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 30 Mar 2011, 16:28
I would imagine that those are mostly people getting a degree because they need one to make more money/get hired. I would also imagine that many of those people do not much care which degree they get, because their future employers don't care either.

catch-22
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 30 Mar 2011, 17:23
I guess because it is a law degree it is something you need to have a fairly decent level of academic achievement to even begin, so that cuts out a decent proportion of people who don't give a shit.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 30 Mar 2011, 23:28
On the other side of the coin are people who are annoyed that you judge their choices without considering the reasons that they might not be SUPER SUPER EXCITED about learning, like you are!

to be fair i really don't think katie was trying to be judgmental at all here, just commenting that it's frustrating when you're a determined person who wants to find like-minded people who enjoy learning as much as you do and apparently university is becoming less and less of a practical venue for that. yeah, of course people go to university for all kinds of reasons, but then where do you go when you want an intellectual challenge and an encouraging environment, if not university? i don't know what other options are available, that's really what university's supposed to be. her experience is/was pretty much my entire undergrad university experience as well and it really can leave you feeling pretty lonely and discouraged, sometimes overwhelmingly so. it's really expensive! also really hard and really time consuming! i mean, it really is such a substantial part of your life you're putting into it.

on the plus side: grad school still rules! the challenge and pressure are totally worth the fact that i'm almost literally killing myself with work. really! it is!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 21:19
speaking of which, someone please instruct me within the next 48 hours on how the fucking fuck balls you present a 30 page research paper in fifteen minutes or less. someone. help. help me
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 04 Apr 2011, 22:00
First sentence of every page!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 22:50
it's still five minutes over fffffff
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 23:17
goodbye, painstakingly assembled recommendations for youth justice legislative reform. goodbye
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 23:18
goodbye, 90% of my equally painstakingly prepared literature review
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 23:20
man this is so great, i love this 15 minute allotment because it's like the absolute perfect amount of time to completely and utterly misrepresent how much fucking balls shit work i put into this stupid dildo. fuck my balls forever
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 04 Apr 2011, 23:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt0WP9ZBNiY
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 04 Apr 2011, 23:23
i've requested extensions on literally every single final thing due
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 23:26
i'm watching that video/listening to that song all the way through instead of working because i just don't give a fuck anymore
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 04 Apr 2011, 23:30
i lied, i submitted my one final paper on time
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 04 Apr 2011, 23:30
it was about 3000 words plus a page and a half of single-spaced endnotes. i did this in about five hours
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 04 Apr 2011, 23:31
i'm not proud, i'm just saying that i basically did that because i punched my own card like a week and a half ago. fuck it. i'm done. a man physically threatened me today
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 04 Apr 2011, 23:31
holy
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 04 Apr 2011, 23:32
tania get on fb
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nufan on 05 Apr 2011, 04:26
So Manchester want proof of my bachelors degree to get into their masters program. This is despite the fact that:

1) I uploaded a scan of my degree certificate
2) I also uploaded my academic transcript
3) I FUCKING WELL WENT TO MANCHESTER FOR THE DEGREE YOU CUNTS
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 05 Apr 2011, 04:48
1. Make copies
2. Get a staple gun
3. Staple copies to the heads of the relevant heads/deans
4. Run
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Apr 2011, 05:06
That is so ridiculous I don't know what to do except laugh incredulously and offer you my useless sympathy. Doesn't it worry you that the same people who are failing to notice the deluge of proof you've submitted are also the ones who will theoretically be awarding you the masters degree certificate?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nufan on 05 Apr 2011, 05:28
Dunno, I figure like maybe they'll give me a phd by mistake or something
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Apr 2011, 12:20
My uni awards you a Masters degree automatically after a certain period from BA graduation, just for staying alive, non-arrested and non-divorced.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Apr 2011, 13:16
...non-divorced?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Edith on 05 Apr 2011, 13:19
Oh hey you guys guess what happened. So I applied to go back to uni for post-grad studies. Apparently due to system errors they didn't send me my offer to let me know I got in but I called them yesterday just to make absolutely triple fucking sure that I didn't get in and I fucking did. Classes start on Monday and I have to quit my job immediately and have no money ever again all while we are applying for new places to live. This is simultaneously the best and worst thing that could happen right now. I can't even get into the uni website to choose my classes because I won't get my offer until AFTER semester starts so I just have to show up to shit next week and explain repeatedly why I'm not on the student lists and shit.

Whoa I know I am really late chiming in on this but WAY TO GO JIMMY! Congrats!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Apr 2011, 13:32
Yeah you're not allowed to get divorced before you're awarded your MA.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 05 Apr 2011, 14:34
Why is that thing?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 05 Apr 2011, 14:42
oh hey this is cool, i thought tomorrow was the day i was going to finally present my research project to my classmates like in a classroom environment but it turns out i'm actually presenting it conference style and every single criminology student and faculty member is being invited to watch and comment on my research, fuck yeah

clarification: this is sarcasm and i am fucking terrified, goodbye any sleep i planned on getting tonight
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 05 Apr 2011, 14:54
I don't think anybody actually shows up to such things. Unless they're providing free food.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 05 Apr 2011, 14:55
i really fucking hope there's no food
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 05 Apr 2011, 15:36
If you know anybody who hates you / secretly wants to see your naked body, count on those people showing up too.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 05 Apr 2011, 15:37
Incidentally, remember to wear clothes!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 05 Apr 2011, 16:27
hopefully i'll just die instead
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Apr 2011, 22:09
i really fucking hope there's no food
If there's food, more people will show up, but if the food is good, they'll associate your presentation with the pleasant feeling of a full belly, and you'll get massive applause even if you tank.

(Not to say you'll tank, of course)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 05 Apr 2011, 22:36
Guys I'm writing a psychology report for my Assessment and Intervention class, can you remind me whether I should be using "clients" or "client's" when I want it to be a possessive? I tried to get onto meebo but that is not happening on the uni computers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 05 Apr 2011, 22:38
if you're referring to multiple clients, it's clients' with the apostrophe at the end. if it's singular, then client's.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Apr 2011, 23:00
Possessives only lack apostrophes when they are pronouns (and pronouns never have them).  There may be exceptions to this, but I can't think of any.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 06 Apr 2011, 09:33
I'm supposed to be submitting the paper that contains the results of my research from this semester on Friday, but I haven't done any of the analyses or even a halfway decent literature review. I've requested an extension due to Circumstances, and though my supervisor and the research course coordinator were both cool with it, they need to talk to each other to make it happen and though I've even drafted a note for my supervisor to send making the extension request I haven't heard anything back and it's really worrying because I need need need an extra two weeks to do this. And this is assuming that I can actually manage to focus enough to be halfway productive with those couple weeks, because I've basically survived the last two only by ignoring my schoolwork almost entirely (well, this is an exaggeration; I've spent tons of time trying to do schoolwork, but I just end up staring at things for hours on end without much in the way of comprehension happening) and spending far too much money on books and food and far too much time hanging out with friends instead.

Whatever though, I achieved my one real remaining goal as a student. I have all the books out of the school library right now that they let you have out at once: 80!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 06 Apr 2011, 12:59
Possessives only lack apostrophes when they are pronouns (and pronouns never have them).  There may be exceptions to this, but I can't think of any.

You must be thinking of the elusive "me's".
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 06 Apr 2011, 13:49
I'm a poli sci major, and the wealth of online scholastic databases our library has access to allows me to undertake academic research from anywhere with an internet connection. I only really go to the actual library if I need a place to really focus. I should be going more often, but, eh.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 06 Apr 2011, 14:17
I'm amazed that anyone can possibly need 80 books out of a library. I'm amazed any library can have enough books to allow everyone to take out 80 books. I'm amazed a student would have space to store 80 books.  :-o
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 06 Apr 2011, 14:36
80 books? Isn't that like one bookshelf? I think I can look into the university library from outside the building and see more than 80 books.

But 80 books is a lot to carry home with you. I was already struggling with the dozen research articles I needed for my midterm paper, nevermind actual books...

Speaking of that midterm paper, it seems I still haven't gotten any sort of grade on it. Hmm. I may need to bug my tutor about that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 15:13
I'm supposed to be submitting the paper that contains the results of my research from this semester on Friday, but I haven't done any of the analyses or even a halfway decent literature review. I've requested an extension due to Circumstances, and though my supervisor and the research course coordinator were both cool with it, they need to talk to each other to make it happen and though I've even drafted a note for my supervisor to send making the extension request I haven't heard anything back and it's really worrying because I need need need an extra two weeks to do this. And this is assuming that I can actually manage to focus enough to be halfway productive with those couple weeks, because I've basically survived the last two only by ignoring my schoolwork almost entirely (well, this is an exaggeration; I've spent tons of time trying to do schoolwork, but I just end up staring at things for hours on end without much in the way of comprehension happening) and spending far too much money on books and food and far too much time hanging out with friends instead.

Whatever though, I achieved my one real remaining goal as a student. I have all the books out of the school library right now that they let you have out at once: 80!

joseph – increasingly i find myself burned out by tuesday in a given week. i literally wake up on any given day and just don't want to do anything anymore. being productive is too exhausting. so i know how you feel. you've got this though. hopefully you get that two weeks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 06 Apr 2011, 16:04
With regards to the books:

I didn't take them out all at once; the McGill library system allows you to renew each book an unlimited number of times so long as the book isn't requested. The books are in various places around my apartment, occupying a couple shelves and intertwined in a few different stacks. Not a single one of the books is for a class. The majority are books of poetry, or books on poetry, so I haven't tended to read them through cover to cover (though many of them I have); many others are essays where I was primarily interested in only a couple of the essays in the original book (I could post the list of books if someone wanted. I already did so on Facebook). I also just tend to get books out of the library in spurts -- having read something I'll do research on the author, the genre, the style or whatever, and search for books which it seems I might be interested in based on that.

May, my apartment is home to well over a thousand books, I would imagine. The 80 books from the library certainly isn't a problem. Also, the library has 2,590,743 print books right now, not counting journals.

Anyhow, I found out this afternoon that I got the extension I needed, and I think I should be able to make things work out. Hopefully. Just need to push through these next three weeks and I'll be done with my BSci. Plenty of time to come to terms with Problems and stuff then.

JC, let's talk some time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 18:22
my presentation went well! except when i went three minutes overtime and toward the end asked my professor "am i overtime?" to which he responded "way overtime" and i yelled "SHIT!" really loud and my sudden panic sent my papers flying and by that point there were actually a lot of faculty members who had stopped by to watch and i think i really disappointed all of them with my cussing. i'm sorry, old criminologists, i'm sorry i cussed. but maybe i taught you something today. i hope i did. i said a lot of words in those 15 minutes and most of them were pretty fancy, like "resource lens" and "competency-based framework" and "community reintegration".

now i have a 30 page paper to write by (next) friday and i would like to start now but before then i have to pull yet another all-nighter tonight to make an exam review question sheet for my students which i guess i technically don't have to do but criminal law is fucking hard and most of them literally begged me to do this after i confirmed what a nightmare the final would be so i guess i really dug my own grave there but you know, you got to do what you got to do and then i can't even start this monster paper because i have to go to my supervisor's house for dinner because she invited me and i can't say no to anything she asks me to do because she is my supervisor and my degree is like 100% contingent on how much she likes me and she lives on an island and i have to take a boat to the island and i also have to bring her a pie and meet her kids and i haven't slept in like three or four or five days and what is my fucking life
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 06 Apr 2011, 18:41
That is what graduate school is like.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 18:45
You must be the most studenty student ever, Tania. I know I'm nowhere near as dedicated to anything.

i thought those were my qualities too when i first enrolled in this program but the more i examine the recurring themes in my most recent posts, the more i'm pretty sure i'm really just an incredible fucking moron who made a terrible, terrible life decision
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 18:48
oh and also an asshole
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 18:49
in my partial defense i have no money and am like actually starving 90% of the time i'm awake
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 18:51
it's also a little bit because i really need to keep getting TA appointments so i can afford my tuition and rent, and a big part of whether or not i get reappointed is how my students evaluate me  :|
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: squawk on 06 Apr 2011, 18:56
tania i just need you to know that i am both very proud of you and fearful for your life, but mostly just proud and impressed, and also that i am not going to grad school
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 06 Apr 2011, 19:29
You must be the most studenty student ever, Tania. I know I'm nowhere near as dedicated to anything.

i thought those were my qualities too when i first enrolled in this program but the more i examine the recurring themes in my most recent posts, the more i'm pretty sure i'm really just an incredible fucking moron who made a terrible, terrible life decision
I think it's telling that one of the more popular threads in SA's education forum is "Everyone else feels like an impostor too: The Grad School Bitching Thread"

You should stop by!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 20:32
My supervisor doesn't make eye contact with me when I see them outside of our scheduled meetings.
Augh I hate you supervisor!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Apr 2011, 20:46
Possessives only lack apostrophes when they are pronouns (and pronouns never have them).  There may be exceptions to this, but I can't think of any.

You must be thinking of the elusive "me's".
I'm fairly certain you meant... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNiR5ZTb_MA)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 21:25
Shit. I think I'm having an epiphany on what my hypothesis should be for my thesis...

Yeah definitely.

Thank you overly dramatic mordern classical music for making my cognitive processes more dynamic.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 06 Apr 2011, 21:27
Yr not-sharing is killing me, Jimmy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 21:37
Using a multivariate model of correlation it is hypothesised that there is a strong positive relationship between the utilisation of mental skills (goal-setting, positive self-talk, concentration/focus, relaxation and imagery) and student engagement (lecture attendence, homework completion and academic performance) in higher education. It is further hypothesised that mental skills such as goal-setting, positive self-talk and concentration will have a significantly stronger positive correlation with student engagement than relaxation and imagery. Finally, it is hypothesised that a multivariate regression analysis will show that a high score on whatever the hell scale I am going to have to design to measure mental skills use will be a strong predictor of scores on the damn fucking jerk arse scale I'll have to think up for measuring student engagement.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 06 Apr 2011, 22:06
Regarding positive self-talk, did you hear about that one study that experimentally measured performance on certain academic tasks? Basically they had one group of students tell themselves "I can do this." and the other group ask "Can I do this?" and turns out the latter group did better. Might also be useful.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 22:10
If my research area had not been chosen for me by my supervisor (my course is fucked up) then I would have really liked to do something with priming and other kinds of manipulation but as it stands I've been given a very specific topic of "the relation between mental skills training and academic engagement in higher education" so there's not much room there.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 22:19
dude get some exploratory factor analysis all up in that variable construction
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 22:28
KILL ME
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 06 Apr 2011, 22:28
hey me pick me i can be a test subject, jimmy, pick me


i have got no academic mental skill things at all, and yet here i am at uni
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 22:28
I can't, Tania! I don't understand anything you just said! My comprehension of statistical analyses is basically centred around correlation and regression. I basically can't wrap my head around anything else.

Besides I'm pretty sure the other people in my research group are just going to veto my idea anyway and do whatever the hell they agree on because they're a pack of cunts who have been not replying to any of my emails and when they do their tone is so fucking condescending I mean how dare I ask how they are going on a thing, being in a group project doesn't mean we should be working together clearly we are all in competition or some bullshit. Fuck I hate those wankers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 06 Apr 2011, 22:31
and I haven't got my bachelor's yet at 22

Dude, I am 23 and have at least two more years minimum before I finish my degree, and that is including taking classes during summer semesters. Most of my friends are older and haven't finished either. Ain't no rule that says you have to be finished in 4 years or less, and most unis make it so that it's almost impossible to manage less than 5 years, anyway, so they can take your money.


Jimmy, you know what I would do? I would keep emailing them. Like, once every one or two days, asking for status updates, letting them know that you took care of this little thing and you got two paragraphs written for the report that they might want to look over at the next meeting, and oh by the way we should probably meet every week to work on this, guys! and hey I found this really interesting thing researching the other day that I thought I'd share...

Seriously, it would annoy them so much and they can't do anything about it because like they should really be throwing themselves into the project just as much! You will make them feel bad. Do ittttttt
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 22:42
yeah you can jimmy! exploratory factor analysis is actually really super easy because the software pretty much does all the work for you. the basic concept is that you set up a bunch of questions that assess different behaviors or competencies or whatever and then the factor analysis does the work of identifying the latent variables for you. i could even like, okay i guess there's no way i can say this without sounding kind of patronizing (if it does i apologize and feel free to tell me to fuck off) but i took a grad level statistics course last year and did pretty well and i could like give you a run down on how it works because i really think it will not only reduce the amount of work you have to do for this thing but could actually even make it really exciting and fun and the overall results a lot more meaningful because it eliminates the bias that comes from doing confirmatory analyses with predefined variables. remind me in a couple of weeks though because i am like really insanely overwhelmed with papers and marking right now
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 22:49
also yeah i dd my undergrad in four years but like, look at me, dude, look at my life and my posts, i'm a fucking mess. achieving relative academic success as an introverted social misfit asshole with a diseased mind fit only for research is really not much to be proud of
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 22:52
Any help you are willing to provide would be hugely appreciated (can I send homemade brownies by airmail? Is that a thing I am allowed to do?), Tania. Sometimes I'm feeling like everyone around me is some sort of statistical/mathematical genuis and I'm hitting a gazelle in the head with a rock and screaming at the sky when there's a storm.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 23:00
yeah i honestly wouldn't mind helping you out at all, i used to think i was terrible at statistics and pretty much was really terrible at anything even remotely math-related up until last year, but i honestly believe that about 99.9% of understanding anything is just having people who are willing to take the time to explain it to you in a way that makes sense and i was lucky enough to have a really excellent professor last year who really did explain things clearly and easily cos i ended up really getting statistics in a way i never thought possible before and now i actually really like it a lot and think it is super cool and interesting. plus as you get to the more complicated stuff, the software actually does most of the work for you so you really only need to understand the fundamental basics of how the analyses work and then like, how to interpret results, which once you get the hang of is actually about 1000x easier than the calculus bullshit they make you learn in high school. if you want i could email you an assignment i did on this last year just to give you a rough idea of what i mean by factor analysis and how it can help you with your research and then i'd be totally willing to help you out with whatever else you need but like, my only request is that it's gotta wait until after the 15th or 16th cos i am kind of dying a slow death right now, like i can actually feel my body dying
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Apr 2011, 23:05
My thesis isn't due until October, totally wait until you are less deathy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 06 Apr 2011, 23:18
a lot of the people in my program are older students too. about 50% or so are my age and entered the program after they finished their undergrad in 4 or 5 years but there's also a substantial other 50% who are not just in their late 20s but beyond even their 30s and 40s who at some point made the decision to go back to school and nobody regards them as out of place at all. a lot of fields are also placing an increasing emphasis on accepting applicants who actually have some kind of relevant practical experience in addition to simply good grades from their undergrad, so depending on your field it can even be an advantage to your application to take those years off to work or volunteer instead of just going straight back to school without having actually lived a non-school life of any kind. personally the older students in most of my classes tend to be my favourite contributors to discussions because they offer a lot of unique insight and expertise in a lot of areas and, frankly, just come off as a lot smarter than the younger students who often think they're hot shit despite not really knowing anything about the real world. making the effort to further your education is always something to be admired, no matter what your age.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 07 Apr 2011, 00:25
As annoying as over-eager mature adults are, I'm actually happy for them.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 07 Apr 2011, 02:37
Jimmy (http://www.khanacademy.org/)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 07 Apr 2011, 23:03
following up on TA appointments and student evaluations, i came home this evening after another terrible day of work to find this email from the professor teaching the course i am TAing -

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Hello, Tania:

    I thought you might like to know that you received excellent evaluations from your students (I had a chance to look at them very briefly).

     Thank you very much for your dedication and hard work!

     All the best,
     Simon

 :-)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 07 Apr 2011, 23:10
They all just wanted to see you naked, that's the only reason
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 07 Apr 2011, 23:22
i highly doubt that, the last four months have arguably been the most unattractive and slovenly of my life thus far

however, that does remind me of an evaluation my friend received last year in which the student rated him excellent and then wrote "SEXY" in the comments section and drew not one but two giant cocks on the page. this is the stuff that makes it all worthwhile in the end, it really does
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 08 Apr 2011, 05:08
So that's what I've been doing wrong
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Liz on 08 Apr 2011, 08:52
however, that does remind me of an evaluation my friend received last year in which the student rated him excellent and then wrote "SEXY" in the comments section and drew not one but two giant cocks on the page. this is the stuff that makes it all worthwhile in the end, it really does

I would frame that and hang it in my house. Probably in the bathroom.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 08 Apr 2011, 11:22
I kinda want to do that on my teacher evals now.  Like probably not my professor that teaches women and the law because she would hunt me down.  But, I bet my 50 something political philosophy teacher would get a kick out of it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Elizzybeth on 08 Apr 2011, 15:22
I worked in the English department for a while last quarter when they had to fire a secretary, but still needed someone to go through student evaluations to prepare them for machine-reading.

On the comment page, one person had simply drawn a gigantic pile of shit with stink lines coming off of it (like this (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c2Paw1jq6n4/SNbvd-qujaI/AAAAAAAABps/NJsPYaQ1a1c/s400/turd.png)).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Buttfranklin on 08 Apr 2011, 19:55
In my public speaking class we have discussed: "skullets," bestiality, motorboating (not the kind involving water), homosexuality (one student asked a lesbian in class "how can you knock the wee wee before you've tried it?" << not mean-spiritedly, btw), abortion, our teacher telling us he hasn't dropped acid in 27 years, poisonous spiders, inception, how a woman was married to the eiffel tower, whether Adam named all the animals in one day or not in the Bible.  And those aren't the speeches.

God I love this class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Buttfranklin on 09 Apr 2011, 10:30
He said he only stopped because of he didn't like the bad trips.

He's also only missed 7 days of class in the past 10 years, and those 7 days were because he was paralyzed and he literally could not make it to school to teach for 7 class class periods.  He's kind of a badass in many ways.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Darkbluerabbit on 09 Apr 2011, 12:06
University Thread, with your wealth of experience and wisdom: What do people think about working during grad school?  I just got into a grad program and everything is happening very fast and I have decisions to make.

I'll have 12-13 credits my first semester, and the courses are structured in blocks so I'd only be attending classes three days a week.  This is based on the course sequence that basically every full time student follows.  I always took 17-18 credits as an undergrad, so 12 seems like a fairly light courseload, but I know grad classes are supposed to be much more demanding.  I know on paper it looks like I have four days off a week to do what I need, which could include going to work, but I figure I'll need time for all the reading and writing and projects. 

I've read that some grad programs actively discourage students from working, and some even forbid it, so maybe the very idea of having an outside job is foolish.  I don't know! I'd rather not work but I'd also like to reduce the amount of debt I need to go into.  Decisions are hard.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 09 Apr 2011, 12:29
I did it and so far I'm passing. But that is probably because my course is pretty easy because a lot of the technical stuff we covered in the MSc I covered in my undergraduate.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 09 Apr 2011, 13:41
I had a part time job my first semester, and this semester I substitute teach occasionally, but this fall when I student teach there'll be no time to work.  So in other words, if you must have a job, get something part time with flexible hours.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 09 Apr 2011, 14:58
Oh yeah, I guess that's true, my job is part time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 09 Apr 2011, 14:59
i've TAed since i started grad school and probably will up until i graduate because it's the main source of funding for students in my program, but i take only two classes a semester instead of the full-time workload of three. don't underestimate your workload because of what it looks like on paper - the expectation for your quality of work will be a LOT higher and you will find yourself working your butt off literally all the time. i never struggled that much with coursework during my undergrad and with my two courses a semester i am seriously like frighteningly near death basically all of the time. i'd say the general rule is that you shouldn't work if you're full-time, but if you're only gonna take a part-time workload, go for it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 09 Apr 2011, 15:38
I've been working about 20 hrs a week since I started grad school. Next year I may have to take a quarter off when I'm student teaching, but having a job and going to school is reasonable. My job is on campus, though, which makes things a lot easier, because the hours are really flexible.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 09 Apr 2011, 17:59
I am at uni (which takes three to four hours of travel time a day) four days a week. I stay at uni for an extra 3 to 7 hours after class to get work done before coming home. I work three days a week doing customer supporty type stuff. There is no way I could study and not work, despite the fact that all the studies show that working during higher education has a negative effect on your grades. I need to be able to pay my rent and shit and my parents don't want me to move back in with them (and I don't want to do that either).

One of my lecturers once said that there are three options open to you while you're at uni but you can only pick two.
Get good grades.
Have anything resembling a social life.
Work more than 20 hours a week.

I work 24 hours a week and the extent of my socialising is basically band practice (three hours a week). I think I'm going to be ok.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 09 Apr 2011, 18:12
yeah i also got to second the no social life at all outside of school thing. this isn't the definition of "no social life" that translates to "oh i only go out like once or twice a week", it means no social life at all. none. no weekends, no evenings. i work on average 7-8 hours a day, seven days a week, frequently much more to the point where it starts cutting into the AM hours, and i wake up at 6AM for class/work every day. out of curiosity, i started keeping an excel spreadsheet to record how many hours of sleep i get every day and right now my average for the last few weeks is four hours a night. the last time i took an evening off to go get some dinner and a couple of beers with my friends was mid-february. it has honest to god been nothing but constant work since then, even during reading week. not trying to spark a pity party here or put myself on a pedestal or anything, just saying the workload is seriously a challenge. don't underestimate how hard making time can be.

also i hope this gives a little bit of context into why i'm basically an asshole all of the time now, i am sorry i am an asshole now but if it helps sooth the pain at all that's basically my situation. that's my fucking life. also i hate myself and i want to die
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 09 Apr 2011, 19:59
The only time I went out last quarter was towards the end of it when I was stressed to a breaking point and decided that margaritas were a Good Idea. I actually saw people I hadn't seen in months. I was very happy by the end of the night. My only other "social" thing is a biweekly D&D game. The rest is me either working, being in school, doing homework, or procrastinating. The last one I'm getting better with, but it happens.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 09 Apr 2011, 21:33
I've discovered the best way to put off working on my thesis: Get all my other assignments done.

Productive procrastination: Get on it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 10 Apr 2011, 01:53
Shit guys I have 5 days to decide where to go to do a PhD and I have no fucking clue and it is stressing me the fuck out. Do I want to go to America for a graduate program? It seems kind of crazy because my research is in British history and I already have a Masters, but the program of classes and intense secondary lit reviews seem appealing as hell in the sense that it would undoubtedly make me better at what I do.

But I might have to leave my girlfriend behind for 2 or 3 years if she can't find work/get a visa under her own steam. Which would suck. And I would be half a world away from my friends, academic support network, and the sources for my research. Fuuck.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 10 Apr 2011, 02:18
This 10% lit review for Microbiology is almost 4 days late and still 3/5's done. What the fuck, Riley?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 10 Apr 2011, 04:22
I've discovered the best way to put off working on my thesis: Get all my other assignments done.

Productive procrastination: Get on it.

You may be interested in knowing that this is an extension of the Premarck principle: "A less preferred behavior can be used as an incentive for access to a more preferred behavior." Only in this case, access to a more preferred behavior is instead the avoidance of another less preferred behavior. The human psyche is weird. I catch myself doing this as well. Write a thesis? Gotta clean my room first. It's not procrastinating if you're doing something else productive, right?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 10 Apr 2011, 12:34
Oh yeah I definitely will, it's just a case of deciding if I want to accept an offer in the US or UK

Dilemma :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Darkbluerabbit on 11 Apr 2011, 00:45
Shit guys I have 5 days to decide where to go to do a PhD and I have no fucking clue and it is stressing me the fuck out.

The good thing is that sometimes when you are forced to make a decision quickly, you rely on your instincts.  Time to decide can be good, but it can also lead to a lot of thinking in circles that only leaves you more confused.



Thanks for the varying perspectives on the whole work/grad school balance thing.  I get the impression that a "manageable schedule" varies a lot depending on the program.  I think it'd probably be a good idea to get in touch with my adviser on the issue. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 11 Apr 2011, 07:58
Last exam ever tomorrow and studying for it sucks but it's ok because it's the last one ever!

Also, because I am awesome, in my one other real course this semester (I'm also doing an independent research project worth a bunch of credits), I got 100% on the first big assignment and 98% on the second (both of which were hour and a half long presentations in front of the class), so even though I ended up slacking off a bunch and missing class and small assignments because of Shitty Circumstances, I absolutely definitely have an 'A' in this course, which makes up for the fact that I'll probably do terribly on my exam tomorrow.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 11 Apr 2011, 14:40
Oh shit guys I officially got an offer of funding from Cambridge, making it a three-way contest between Cambridge, UCL and Stanford. What the fuck where do I even begin to pikc that one apart?

This is easily the best and yet most ridiculously hard decision I have ever had to make.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tommydski on 11 Apr 2011, 15:07
Shoot a PM to Rory (aka Blahblah on this forum) if you have any questions about Cambridge, he's been there for a year now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 Apr 2011, 12:25
Yeah you should ask him.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 13 Apr 2011, 17:14
words i have made up at some point for the purposes of my final term paper only to discover via spellcheck that they are not actually real words. also i'm not sure what they would have even meant if they were because i have not slept in a very long time
by tania arvanitidis

- degression
- tantamental
- inclusatory
- developmentalist

come on brain, less than 48 hours and we're done. enough bullshit. get your act together. we can do this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 13 Apr 2011, 17:25
they are the product of writing for so long that you've completely lost the ability to use basic english words to make your point and can now only do so via strings of frantic incomprehensible jibberish

a more fitting name for this thread might be along the lines of "so you made a terrible life choice"
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 13 Apr 2011, 17:26
Inclusatory - Inclusively Accusatory
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: WriterofAllWrongs on 13 Apr 2011, 19:04
I am so unprepared for this math test that I am sitting here trying to figure out how badly I can do on it and still get away with a B in the class.  I am so so bad at finite math.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yunior on 13 Apr 2011, 19:18
Is tantamental like tangential or tantamount to? Spellcheck is inhibiting the evolution of English, impo.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Apr 2011, 19:46
I figured it was fundamentally tantamount.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 13 Apr 2011, 19:47
who even knows
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Yunior on 13 Apr 2011, 20:01
That explanation was tantamentally poop
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 13 Apr 2011, 20:14
my short term memory seems to have all but disappeared in the course of writing this article and i discovered said words in the process of proofreading so unfortunately i really have no idea what was going through my head when i created them. i'm sure more will appear as i keep working on this thing. i think "inclusatory" was supposed to be "inclusory" which is only a couple of letters off so maybe there's still some hope for me
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Ozymandias on 14 Apr 2011, 00:52
- developmentalist

Oh I know this one, it's a TV show where a detective solves crimes by creating real estate.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 14 Apr 2011, 07:53
Tania: I kind of get what you mean, only I have to write all my papers in Dutch, so every so often I find Dutchified versions of English words in there that would make sense to me and other Native English speakers, but Dutch speakers just WTF at. I'd give some examples, but you don't actually speak Dutch so it'd be kind of useless anyway and I can't think of any.

Oh man I have this happen to me all the time, except it's often entire sentences that make sense in English, and do too in Dutch, but it's just kind of "that... isn't a thing". Happen pretty much on a daily (hourly?) basis when I'm there.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 14 Apr 2011, 11:44
Is tantamental like tangential or tantamount to? Spellcheck is inhibiting the evolution of English, impo.

all i know is it's far and away my favourite of the four
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 14 Apr 2011, 14:08
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffff


shit guys i am going to stanford oh god what have i done
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: allison on 14 Apr 2011, 14:09
congratulations! that is amazing.

re: my own education
ha ha ha ha ha ha


oh shit
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: calenlass on 14 Apr 2011, 14:12
Yeah, Dicky!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 14 Apr 2011, 14:24
be excited! you are obviously super smart and this is a really incredible opportunity.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 14 Apr 2011, 15:20
My dad got his masters in engineering at Stanford.  He was offered a job for $9 an hour and took one for $13 an hour (He makes way more now).  But yeah, congrats cause you had to earn it.  Enjoy it!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 14 Apr 2011, 15:40
I'M SO CLOSE I ONLY NEED TO CLEAN UP LIKE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR PARAGRAPHS AND THEN I AM DONE I CAN TURN IN THE LAST GIANT PAPER OF THE SEMESTER HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY. at 40 pages this is the longest thing i have ever written and it's been a fucking nightmare getting through it because of how particular i am about proofreading and making sure every sentence is perfect but i think i've finally figured out how to get it to say what i need it to say although this experience has left me increasingly more and more worried about the prospect of writing a full-length thesis if i can't even write 40 good pages without wanting to pull out my eyes. also as soon as i turn this in tomorrow morning i have about five minutes to celebrate before i have to go invigilate a final exam and then mark 70 final essays within 48 hours and nobody understands how criminal law works, including myself, and it is going to be awful. ghhgggl
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 16 Apr 2011, 22:58
I have a physiology mid-sem (30%) and a marked practical for biochem (14%) on Wednesday morning. I'm just going over the 3 possible tasks for the marked practical and I'm all like:

(http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5007602/FUUUUUUUUUUUUU.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Enraged-Spongebob)

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 17 Apr 2011, 11:51
Finished all the stats stuff for my research experiment stuff yesterday and it seems like everything worked out just fine! Now I just need to write everything and I'll be all graduated!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Apr 2011, 12:31
Congratulations, Dicky, but also noooooooooooo we could have had hangouts in Cambridge and drunk coffee in the UL and talked about things! Huh.

(How did you decide in the end?)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 17 Apr 2011, 14:47
Oh man Dicky, I'm so happy for you! Congrats! I was kinda secretly hoping you'd choose Stanford, because moving countries is so exciting and amazing. Good luck, I'm sure you won't regret it a bit!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tommydski on 17 Apr 2011, 17:38
(How did you decide in the end?)

I think he knew that if he missed the opportunity to go and live in California I'd have murdered him.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 17 Apr 2011, 17:39
west coast 4 lyfe
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Apr 2011, 18:14
I keep trying to get into university (well, community college), but I keep on having to wait for my parents to get their shit together and do their taxes. I mean, come on, maybe you could take a break with renovating the house for like 4 hours and get your tax stuff together so your son can try to not work shitty jobs for the rest of his life.
Also, no, I can't just get emancipated, I'm 21, and they'd have to have abused me.
The financial aid system is bullshit in america. This is so dumb, my parents live 3000 miles (142988km) away, how am I still a dependent?
if this works out I'm gonna say goodbye to everything because I'll be working all night and in school all day.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Darkbluerabbit on 17 Apr 2011, 19:40
I found this link that offers some ideas for how to get aid if you can't get your parents information. 

Blog (http://poorerthanyou.com/2009/04/13/how-to-file-the-fafsa-without-your-parents-information/)

The impression I get is that you have to jump through some hoops, and contact your financial aid office (which is a good thing to do anyway), and after all that you might not be eligible for as much aid, but every bit helps.  Luckily community college is on the affordable side, so even if you only get a couple thousand dollars, it should cover a good chunk of tuition at least. 


Another option that I always thought sounded terrible, but actually isn't is a private loan.  Some of the banks offering student loans have decent interest rates, and even offer the six month post-graduation repayment grace period like the federal loans.  You will have the issues with getting any private loan, such as higher rates if your credit score isn't great, etc.  I think it's worth looking into though.

Private Loan Info (http://www.finaid.org/loans/privatestudentloans.phtml)

All else fails, you only have to work crappy jobs for a few more years, not the rest of your life.  I went to undergrad with a guy who had to wait until he was 24 so he could file independently, and he said he's actually glad he waited because having those years off helped him figure out exactly what he wanted out of college.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: tania on 17 Apr 2011, 19:51
i also went the route of taking out a line of credit to pay for my MA rather than a student loan, which have always seemed like far too many hoops to jump through because apparently my parents make a lot of money (on paper). applying for the line of credit was a really easy process and i can manage it with all the rest of my online banking stuff easy schmeasy. it's also doing pretty excellent things for my credit rating because i am phenomenal at making payments on time. i'm like a shark. if maintaining good credit was an olympic event i'd be representing canada. maybe i'd take the gold. maybe i could even like, rent a nice apartment in this stupid city one day. you may still need a co-signer to apply, though.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 20:26
i honestly just want to sit down and hang out with bell hooks, she is such a cool-seeming person
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 20:30
whoa (from we real cool):

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Alexander Crummell in his address before the Freedman’s Aid Society in 1883 spoke directly to a program for racial uplift that would focus on black women, particularly on education. He announced in his address that: “The lot of the black man on the plantation has been sad and desolate enough; but the fate of the black woman has been awful! Her entire existence from the day she first landed, a naked victim of the slave-trade, has been degradation in its extremest forms.” Frederick Douglass spoke regularly on behalf of gender equality. In his 1888 talk “I Am a Radical Woman Suffrage Man” he made his position clear:

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The fundamental proposition of the woman suffrage movement is scarcely less simple than that of the anti-slavery movement. It assumes that woman is herself. That she belongs to herself, just as fully as man belongs to himself—that she is a person and has all the attributes of personality that can be claimed by man, and that her rights of person are equal in all respects to those of man. She has the same number of senses that distinguish man, and is like man a subject of human government, capable of understanding, obeying and being affected by law. That she is capable of forming an intelligent judgment as to the character of public men and public measures, and she may exercise her right of choice in respect both to the law and the lawmakers…nothing could be more simple or more reasonable.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Joseph on 17 Apr 2011, 20:43
bell hooks rules forever
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 20:49
real talk
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 22:02
also i'm back looking at outlaw culture and hilariously there's a chapter where she just shits all over naomi wolf. bell hooks rules
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 17 Apr 2011, 22:06
Oh man I want to read that.

Naomi Wolf sucks
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 22:08
yeah i mean ok i'm a white cisgendered dude and thus it's probably not really right for me to be calling out feminist writers but naomi wolf just like is completely sucky
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 17 Apr 2011, 22:11
You know who's worse tho

Camille Paglia
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 22:53
who bell hooks also shits on in this book
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Apr 2011, 22:59
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To begin with, I need to make it clear to those who don't know that the throwing-shade, dissin', "reading" style that carried Miss Camille to fame was a persona she assembled after years of ethnographically studying the mannerisms of vernacular back culture, especially black gay subculture, and most especially the culture of the black queen. And girlfriend ain't even ashamed about this background, not at all embarrassed to say shit like:

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My mentors have alwasy been Jews, Harold Bloom and so on, and they're the only ones who can tolerate my personality! But at any rate, when I got to Yale . . . whoa! Culture shock! Because I saw the way the WASP establishment had the Ivy League in a death grip. In order to rise in academe, you have to adopt this WASP Style. It's very laid-back. Now, I really can't do it, but I call it "walking on eggs at a funeral home." Now I'm loud. Did you notice? I'm very loud. I've had a hell of a time in academe. This is why I usually get along with African Americans. I mean when we're together, "Whooo!" It's like I feel totally myself – we just let everything go!

Naturally, all black Americans were more than pleased to have Miss Camille give us this vote of confidence, since we live to make it possible for white girls like herself to have a place where they can be "totally" themselves.

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Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 17 Apr 2011, 23:02
It would have been worth actually making that
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 17 Apr 2011, 23:32
Oh, god, I totally know now what I'm going to do with my end of session break.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 18 Apr 2011, 19:53
I got my Commonwealth Assistance Notice today, my student debt is currently at 7.2k. I still have a year and a half of this degree, as well as medicine which will take ages.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: october1983 on 20 Apr 2011, 16:19
(How did you decide in the end?)

Oh hey sorry I forgot to respond to this. I guess it was a mixture of realising which institution I would gain most from, where I would learn the most, and convincing my girlfriend to come with me if she can find work! Also, like Tommy said, who the hell passes up an opportunity to get paid to do what they love in California?

I am really excited - I realise previous posts might have sounded like I was whining about my incredible predicament, but man I know I am super lucky and now that the decision is out of the way I cannot wait to start.

I am sorry we won't be able to hang out all the time though, May.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Apr 2011, 11:57
So I might be transferring to CSU a semester early (Hi John)? Or maybe not?  :psyduck:

I don't have the prerequisites for my desired major, but I have enough credits and a high enough GPA to be a strong candidate, and I might have enough credits that continuing at community college until I have my Associate's would be a waste of money, since the credits wouldn't transfer. So, basically, I need to decide what I'm doing, and then if I decide to go for the fall semester, get my application and letters of recommendation in within a bit more than a month, and all my scholarship applications.

Finals is not a good time to have to think about something like this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 27 Apr 2011, 12:37
Cool! I will have graduated in the Summer, but I'll probably be in the area and can update you on all sorts of Fort Collins things.

When I was in your sitch I transferred in without an Associate's (at the time it was more of an effort thing, though now it appears that I may have been 3 credits short) and there were no problems. If you've got a good GPA they'll transfer you no questions asked.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Apr 2011, 13:16
Yeah. I've currently got a 3.25, although that's probably going to go down a bit this semester since I was sick for something like 3 weeks. Still should leave me above 3. I've got an appointment with the advisors to do a sort of dry run transfer, and I'll ask a bunch of questions there.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: celticgeek on 27 Apr 2011, 20:57
Why the fuck did I decide to major in physics? Why? And why the hell am I on here when I should be doing my quantum take home? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Because physics is just about as cool as it gets.  Keep up the good work. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 28 Apr 2011, 13:18
It's ok! No one works with more than two decimal places so you're fine!

(Does GPA come with its own maths class? I had enough trouble with my UMS grades and that was with a letter grade to help.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lunchbox on 28 Apr 2011, 21:42
From the thumbnail it looks like a puddle of glowing nuclear waste with muddy edges.
When you click for big it doesn't look much better, but it does look DELICIOUS.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Ozymandias on 28 Apr 2011, 23:30
Why is it so green?  :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 29 Apr 2011, 00:05
Probably avocado.  (I hate avocado)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: BlakeJustBlake on 29 Apr 2011, 03:53
Does anyone have any secrets for someone who is completely sick of school, but only has one semester left? I'm constantly fighting the urge to just drop all of the classes I signed up for in the fall and move.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 29 Apr 2011, 06:43
If you only have one semester left, just finish. Once you're done with that one semester, you don't ever have to go to school again if you don't want to. I guess try to take something fun to balance it out? I don't know, my motivation to finish was finally being free of school and not incurring the wrath of my mother. (Love my mom to bits, but she can be scary.) So yeah.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: richlitt on 29 Apr 2011, 09:40
I've had senior slump, too. Just take it easy, try and do what you can. If you know you're going to avoid work for a day, don't try - take the day off. Go to the hills and then work the next day.

If you can, cultivate a short hobby in something else, and see if you can do that for some of the day, and work the rest of the time. That sort of works for me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 29 Apr 2011, 10:02
Seconding the above post. The absolute best way I've found to motivate myself when my degree starts to drag is to find something else worth doing. Nothing makes uni more bearable than being happy with the rest of your life.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 29 Apr 2011, 17:05
If you're not going to graduate with honors or something otherwise (this guy right here) you might try and calculate out what you need to get done to get a passing grade, then just do that. I know people who've done well enough with all their busywork and essays that they're just outright bailing on finals week and taking the subpar marks they get. You know what they say - "C's get degrees".

Anyhow, I've got about ~35 pages to write and 2 presentations to give in the next week. It's more or less my last week, but it's also the most academically rigorous week I've ever had. Just bad luck, I guess.

Also I have a question for the people - Anyone ever taken a two weekend, full-day course before? I'm tempted to sign up for one and just punch out my degree as quickly as possible, but I've got another, easier class I could take in a month's time and another harder class (that I'll probably need down the road) over two months' time. Anyone have experience with krash kourse klasses?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Buttfranklin on 29 Apr 2011, 20:13
Grades?  Ha!  What are those!  Just a word.  No, not even that.  Letters!  That's all they are.  Letters.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 01 May 2011, 17:16
Also I have a question for the people - Anyone ever taken a two weekend, full-day course before? I'm tempted to sign up for one and just punch out my degree as quickly as possible, but I've got another, easier class I could take in a month's time and another harder class (that I'll probably need down the road) over two months' time. Anyone have experience with krash kourse klasses?
Never done a two weekend, full day course, but I've done a two week ASE class that went from 7:15 or so until 12:15. It really starts to drag sometimes, especially if the professor isn't good at keeping you engaged the whole time. Also, I assume the class is during this summer? What building is it in, and how is the AC? If you are struggling to not fall asleep all day because it's 90 degrees outside and the building was built in 1910 and hasn't been touched since, you are going to have a hell of a time learning enough to pass.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2011, 17:24
Awww shit Clark C. That's going to be hard
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 May 2011, 18:01
So I'm thinking of applying for an Ed.D in Mathematics Education.  Partly because I want to be a professor after teaching for a few years, and partly because I don't want to be done with school yet.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 01 May 2011, 21:55
I just got the marks back for my first uni assessment this semester. D for Distinction baby (80% exactly, I am fucking awesome)!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 01 May 2011, 22:13
Congrats, Squiddy!

o/
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 02 May 2011, 03:38
A D is a good grade? Dear God is everything in Australia upside down, shaken about?

Seriously though: congrats, that's awesome!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Eris on 02 May 2011, 03:53
the grades go:

HD (High Distinction)
D (Distinction)
C (Credit)
P (Pass)
F (Fail)? (I have never gotten anything this low, so I guess it is how it goes)

Sometimes there will be Credit+ marks, but I think they are more for assignments, and get averaged out for your end mark.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lunchbox on 02 May 2011, 17:05
You forgot T (Troll)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 03 May 2011, 15:00
Im so glad I wasn't the one to make that joke. I was thinking it so hard.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 03 May 2011, 20:14
If only everyones grades could be Outstanding, Exceeds Expectations, Acceptable, Poor, Dreadful, and Troll.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Durin on 04 May 2011, 14:41
Okay let's see...

Thermal Physics and Statistical Mechanics Final on Monday
Differential Equations Final on Wednesday
Intro Special Relativity/Mathematical Applications Final on Thursday
German Oral Final on Friday.

Good thing I have only basically started reviewing for Diff Eq
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 04 May 2011, 15:05
My exams are usually spread out, like 4-6 days apart. Last semester I had exams on the first and last day of the examination period.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 13 May 2011, 21:12
Timetable time!

Exam Timetable BAM!
Code: [Select]
Wednesday 15/06/2011 08:45 11:00 PHSL2101:Physiology 1A
Saturday 18/06/2011 13:45 16:00 BIOC2101:Principles of Biochem (Adv)
Monday 20/06/2011 Afternoon ANAT2241:Histology:Basic and Systematic
Tuesday 21/06/2011 13:45 16:00 MICR2011:Microbiology 1
Friday 24/06/2011 08:45 11:00 ANAT2241:Histology:Basic and Systematic
Saturday 25/06/2011 13:45 15:00 BIOC2101:Principles of Biochem (Adv)
 

2 1/2 of those are prac exams, uh, yay?

Although I can't enroll until Wednesday morning I made a mock up on rectangles (UNSW's premiere unofficial timetable planning web app) and it looks like I sort maybe get a day off (provided my Molecular Biology lecturer isn't a dick and actually makes us attend class in order to learn the content  :mrgreen:)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2w4bi54.png)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Buttfranklin on 13 May 2011, 23:02
I only have to take one final this semester (too high of a grade in my other classes) and even then I only need a 38.5% on this final to get an A in the class.

Too bad this isn't something I can get used to since I have a feeling college is going to be a bit harder after the intro courses...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: KvP on 13 May 2011, 23:39
Not as much as you'd think!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Johnny C on 13 May 2011, 23:40
guess who's researching for his honours thesis
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 13 May 2011, 23:41
Me. I am.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 13 May 2011, 23:48
I only have to take one final this semester (too high of a grade in my other classes) and even then I only need a 38.5% on this final to get an A in the class.

Too bad this isn't something I can get used to since I have a feeling college is going to be a bit harder after the intro courses...

(http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/059/143/original/Ohwow.jpg?1279065147)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: richlitt on 15 May 2011, 01:53
Finished all of the work for my undergrad. Now I'm debating what to do, where to go, how to do it, and especially what movie to watch and which book to read.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Avec on 15 May 2011, 08:44
So I'm in the process of graduating from high school and commencing the summer before my entry into my freshman year of college. I have so many things to do this summer, but I feel really guilty for wanting to speed through these months to reach college. Is this normal? I just woke up this morning and started thinking about what books I'm bringing with me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 15 May 2011, 09:08
Just you and everyone else who's starting a new level of school in the fall  :-) Totally normal.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Liz on 15 May 2011, 09:47
Moving out for college was great. I had never moved anywhere as a kid unless you count moving from bedroom A to bedroom B in my parents house when I was probably about two years old. It's exciting! It costs a lot of money because you have to pay for everything that your parents used to buy but I very much enjoyed becoming an adult. And, a few years later, becoming an actual adult (bills, bills, bills, work, work, work).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 16 May 2011, 17:30
Enrollments opened like an hour ago and everyone swooped down like magpies and stole all the really shiny class times. I've had to shift a few classes and send out a polite email but hopefully, I'll still get my day off.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 17 May 2011, 05:05
Got my first out of three exams this Friday - discrete maths. It's probably gonna be supah easy (compared to maths from last year where I got a D :c, gotta take that one again before I finish my BA), but I'm still a bit nervous. It's pretty fun to work with, and I've set aside the entire day for tomorrow and Thursday to crank out some exams, so it'll probably be great.

I'm considering changing my BA, though, from Informatics to, well, Informatics, dropping some low level programming (a course about assembly and shell scripts and OSs) in favor of more maths. Probably gonna have 80% of the same courses when I'm finished, but is this a good idea? What do I need most as a prospective programmer, low level operating system knowledge, or more relevant Maths?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 17 May 2011, 05:18
Go with what you enjoy most (and thus presumably expect to do better at).  I would say that maths is universal, whereas coding and low-level OS is more likely to be ad hoc  stuff you can get from manuals as required - but of course there's lots of underlying theory for OS operation which it is also good to have.  I'm sufficiently out of touch with IT education (let alone the details of yours) to judge how theoretical, and hence useful (in my book!), the low-level OS stuff in your course actually is, though.  But even so, make the most of what you do best, and you can cram the rest as required by real lifeTM
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Avec on 19 May 2011, 17:31
I've avoided having a Facebook all through high school and now I'm forced to do it so I can choose a roommate. What's worse is that it demands that I actually make an effort to make a page since I'll probably be judged from there.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: richlitt on 22 May 2011, 07:20
Facebook isn't that bad. It's worth having for university, because it makes you work on having an established network.

So I'm almost positive that I'm going to end up in Germany next year. I got rejected from 9 universities for PhD places, which kind of sucks. I got into New Mexico, but that's not funded. I tentatively got into Auckland, but I missed the deadline because their site was wrong, so I won't know until too late. I got into to MScs in Edinburgh, where I live, but they're hella expensive and just not really an option for me, financially. So it looks like I'm moving to Saarbrücken for a year, and then Malta for a year, because I got a scholarship to do computational linguistics there in a double masters. I can reapply to PhDs after that, and it's fully funded, so...

Still going to California for August. Ain't no way I'm missing that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 22 May 2011, 13:31
Why is my school so lazy? This was my last week of this academic year, I don't start again until late September. That's 4 months of no school! 1/3 of the entire year! No wonder a BA takes 4 years here, my last one was 3 years and even then I felt like I had a lot of spare time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2011, 14:47
That seems pretty standard.  The exams at my school usually start early-to-mid May, and then nothing until after Labor Day.  Also, 4 years is standard in the States (not sure where you're from).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 22 May 2011, 14:52
The standard for the rest of Europe (and for the UK except Scotland) is 3 years. I'm from Norway, and the summer break usually started in early June and ended in mid-August. 4 months is pretty insane I think, can't believe the year is over already.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 22 May 2011, 14:55
How's yr Winter break, mines barely a month but my Summer is roughly 4 months. I've noticed that a number of the Uni's that do that have a summer semester.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Metope on 22 May 2011, 14:58
There's a 3-4ish week Christmas break and a 3 week Spring break as well, plus a million Bank Holidays spread out over the year. My conclusion is that Scotland is lazy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2011, 15:05
How's yr Winter break, mines barely a month but my Summer is roughly 4 months. I've noticed that a number of the Uni's that do that have a summer semester.
Yeah, my school has a summer semester, but generally you just take 1 or 2 classes at a time for a few weeks each, and it's considered optional (and usually it's if you're a few credits behind)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 22 May 2011, 15:13
(Wrote this before MoM replied) It's pretty much the same in England, except we have three year degrees. A friend of mine from high school is at Oxford at the moment - terms are crazy there, he has more days holiday than he has days at home than he does at uni.

I have finished my second year! I have also done my last exam EVER! All of my assesments next year are through my dissertation and essays. This is SO GOOD! However, I do need to do enough reading over the summer to figure out what I want to do my dissertation on, so I can have it approved in september.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: nufan on 22 May 2011, 15:18
Got my first out of three exams this Friday - discrete maths. It's probably gonna be supah easy (compared to maths from last year where I got a D :c, gotta take that one again before I finish my BA), but I'm still a bit nervous. It's pretty fun to work with, and I've set aside the entire day for tomorrow and Thursday to crank out some exams, so it'll probably be great.

I'm considering changing my BA, though, from Informatics to, well, Informatics, dropping some low level programming (a course about assembly and shell scripts and OSs) in favor of more maths. Probably gonna have 80% of the same courses when I'm finished, but is this a good idea? What do I need most as a prospective programmer, low level operating system knowledge, or more relevant Maths?

I'd say Maths. When I was researching what degree to take (I wanted to be a website designer) I quickly found that no matter what profession I wanted to choose, general knowledge trumped speciality any time. Hence I chose straight Comp Sci over and Web based degrees.

This theory was pretty much confirmed when in my first week of comp sci we had a talk from a games manufacturer (can't remember exactly which one but it was a pretty major one - they did the Scarface game which I won for asking a question about something or other). They said straight up that they don't take people who do a "Games Design" degree as they prefer students who have a broader knowledge.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 May 2011, 15:44
So they're making the masters take twice as long?  What're they changing?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 May 2011, 23:59
The standard for the rest of Europe (and for the UK except Scotland) is 3 years. I'm from Norway, and the summer break usually started in early June and ended in mid-August. 4 months is pretty insane I think, can't believe the year is over already.

The standard for the UK is to finish in June and start again in September, but Oxbridge as Schimmy mentioned have very short terms - I only have about twenty weeks of classes, and then four weeks with revision lessons and exams. We start in October and finish at the end of May, so holidays are all very long.

Oh and you get awarded an MA seven years after matriculation purely for staying out of trouble. Very stupid.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: StaedlerMars on 23 May 2011, 01:44
I've always suspected that Oxford just did the whole "set really high admission standards and then do fuck all once you get there" thing. Sounds like I was right!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 23 May 2011, 02:01
Of course, it's never as simple as that.  Even when I was there as a student (Oxford, that is), "full term" (3x 8 weeks) was simply the period within which lectures and tutorials fell - but there was plenty of stuff that was required to be done outside those dates.  The weeks in full term are referred to as "1st week" - "8th week" (rather obviously), but these days calendars routinely have references to "0th week", "-2th week", "10th week" and suchlike;  and some schools now have formal "extended term" dates, with stipulations of the minimum number of weeks to be spent up each year (e.g. 38 for the first degree in chemistry).  And medics have crazy timetables.

The number of years varies.  My Engineering degree (a BA) took three years; but the same department now offers a four-year degree (M Eng) as the minimum available option. 

As for the MA - since I never went to a degree ceremony to be awarded my BA, I don't officially have it - and so the MA didn't follow either (both the degree ceremony and the subsequent MA involve paying fees, of course).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Tom on 23 May 2011, 03:31
13 wk semester plus for us plebs with a midsem break somewhere in between (Easter pushed the current one after the 8th week). This is followed by 1-2 weeks of stuvac and then 2-3 weeks of finals. Summer and Medicine remain weird.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 24 May 2011, 05:57
ten week semesters, with two weeks for exams, three times a year
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 24 May 2011, 11:05
Why is my school so lazy? This was my last week of this academic year, I don't start again until late September. That's 4 months of no school! 1/3 of the entire year! No wonder a BA takes 4 years here, my last one was 3 years and even then I felt like I had a lot of spare time.

Man what. I am glad for a long break. I can work and save money and also it keeps me from wanting to kill myself because I'm so stressed out. The only reason I completed my bachelors in 4 years is because I took a few classes ever summer, but there's no way in hell I'm taking classes this summer. I need a break before my head explodes. And next year will actually be worse than this year.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 May 2011, 14:27
My semester ended a couple weeks ago, which is good, because I can sub every day until the end of the public school year (which is the end of June).  After that, I'll have two months free (hopefully working part time if I can find something) until student teaching in the fall.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 12 Jun 2011, 16:11
Huh. I think my uni's Professional Ethics course is having exactly the opposite effect that was intended. Here I am studying up on the self-worth of humans, animals, and yes, even plants, and it's just getting me existentialistic. All I can think of is that every living thing on the planet is nothing but the result of a series of coincidences that happened to self-perpetrate, and the only reason that we know this and yet not all kill ourselves is because of the evolutionary discouragement of which we're all slaves.

So we are meant to care for humans because humans have feelings and desires like ours, and we are meant to care for animals because they are able to experience pain and pleasure like we do, and we are meant to care for plants because they are living things like we are. But the only thing that drives this caring for others is the feeling of empathy, and this feeling happened to be beneficial to our species by, again, pure coincidence. In fact, you owe nothing to no one, not to other living things, not to other humans, and no, not even to yourself. There, isn't that comforting?

They ought to put a warning label on this coursebook. 'Caution: May cause existential crises.'
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 12 Jun 2011, 18:23
I don't know about comforting but it's certainly cool as hell.

And who cares if this kind of thing is the result of evolution? Doesn't make the feelings and experiences any less real to the people feeling and experiencing them? Also again, cool as hell.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Jun 2011, 18:44
Well put, Mr. the Squid.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thomas Edison on 14 Jun 2011, 04:09
Failing my first year. Probably should have stopped partying like it's Freshers when Freshers finished.

Still, I can pass by handing in work I've already got typed up in a months time, so I guess I'm not really failing. It's a really weird system.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 14 Jun 2011, 17:01
I've never had to take ethics. Does it try to instill a proper system of treatment regarding others, or is there a lot of relative thought?  I'm pretty sure they do that for business ethics at least. </rimshot>

My computer science teacher tried to recruit me to his research lab when I went and asked about advising today.  I'm getting a CS minor and a poly sci degree next spring.  I started off as biochem and have that listed as my other major still, but want to finish it up somewhere else (better chance of getting into medschool).  He wants me there because of my chem experience.  I'm probably a little rusty in chem at this point, and am more worried about finishing up at this point, but you can never have too much research experience, right?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Avec on 14 Jun 2011, 18:50
I just had my orientation. I've never been so excited for something. I loved the campus, the people I met, and the stuff there'll be to do next year. I was really reluctant to make the five hour drive back.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Spluff on 15 Jun 2011, 02:48
it's actually astounding how impractical and utterly divorced from any sort of real world usage half of the shit they teach at university is
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 15 Jun 2011, 12:22
I've never had to take ethics. Does it try to instill a proper system of treatment regarding others, or is there a lot of relative thought?  I'm pretty sure they do that for business ethics at least. </rimshot>

Well, it's certainly not about learning a set of rules by which to live. We basically have to learn about the most notable schools of thought regarding consequentialism and deontology, worldviews, intrinsic and extrinsic value and self-worth of things and how they relate to the laws in place about animal and human experimenting and genetic modification of plants. It's a life science approach, after all.

Here's an interesting fact: In the Netherlands, some degree of experimentation on human embryos is allowed, in cases of abortions with the mother's consent. Any form of experiment on primate embryos, however, is banned. Unconditionally. On the other hand, there are no regulations whatsoever regarding the use of non-primate embryos for experiments. You're given free rein as long as the ethics committee approves your use of the parent animals. That's just a big mess.

And there's a lot of discussion involved in the assignments. A lot. I think I've said more words on the subject of the work at hand to my fellow students in this course than in the rest of the year combined.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Doctor Online on 26 Jul 2011, 12:01
I hope no one gets upset about me bumping this back, I need somewhere to rant considering this is driving me nuts.

I'm going to a community college, I'm 22, and live in South Carolina. I can't possibly afford more than one class currently because I do not qualify for FAFSA, or Pell Grants. I scheduled a appoint for the youth program a few months ago to meet with someone about some form of financial aid through the school, only to be stopped in the middle of my meeting and hear, "Oh.... you're 22? The cut off is at 21. We have an adult program at the unemployment office though!" I go today to meet with someone, only to be told "Ohhhh.... we work with UNEMPLOYED adults, the first step we do is find them a job... and then we help with their schooling." I just looked at the girls dropped a "f" bomb and said "I guess I'ma have to bite the bullet and apply for student loans."

The problem with FAFSA's is I'm classified by the government as dependent upon my parents until I'm 24, unless I'm emancipated or my parents are deceased. There is no way around that, they do not give a damn that I am living in another state, paying my own bills, and receive nothing from my family. My parents make "too much" money in the governments eyes, but never mind the fact that they are struggling to keep their heads above the water with their own bills. I just feel that the system is way to screwed up, preventing honest hard working people such as myself from actually bettering myself. All I want to do is to go to school and do better with my life. I don't want to be that bitter old woman stuck making sandwiches in a restaurant, I just want a good career, and to live as comfortably as possible.

I'm paying $480 completely out of my own pocket plus some for books for this one class per semester, and I'm getting scared because the program I want to go into has general studies I can knock out while on the waiting list, and it's over 10 classes. I have to either hope I maintain this one class per semester thing catching up, and then when I hit 24 hope that fafsa can help considerably so I can knock out all the general studies quick enough to finish before my name is at the top of the list for clinical so that I get at least one year off from school so I can work full time during that small break in school. I want to save a considerable amount of money so that I can become a full time student and quit my job while doing my clinical, I just have to make sure that I have at least a 3 month cushion to fall back on in my savings in case of a emergency with bills.

I really dislike the rules of financial aid. I think the only other way around FAFSA with my parents is if I get married, they then base it off of my spouses income. But my boyfriend and I are wanting to wait until after we're both through school to do that, and we really want to do it the right way.

Lots of rambling, my mind is in a ton of different places right now. So if my sentences are formed poorly, I really am sorry. I just came home a couple hours ago after my running around in the student services building being turned away, and told all this stuff.. and I just cried. I just want to be able to go to damn school. I don't need the financial aid department to be rude and cut me off in the middle of my sentences, I just want one damn person to be able to answer all of my questions. I don't want someone to cut me off and say "You're in the wrong department, go here." and when I go to that department they say "Now why did they send you to me? Go here." I'm tired of the chase and not getting results. Also, the class I'm taking now, I paid $160 for the book, only to be told later on "OH, you don't need the book." but the bookstore would not refund it. I'm just.... knjdksnjlsdkjkj dklsjf. It's a special edition book exclusively for that school only so I can't really even throw it up for sale for other people elsewhere... and NONE of the instructors in the college I attend actually use this book as I was being told by other students so trying to sell it locally is a joke.

I'm just frustrated, and this is the the college thread... and maybe just maybe some of my fellow American buddies can give me some advice on something if they've run into a similar situation.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Jul 2011, 12:44
That sounds like an awful situation :( We have a similar problem in the UK but it is not as bad because the student finance situation isn't as bad. I thought I had read something about a way of being declared independent of your parents (it sounded complex but worth it in a situation like yours) but sadly I can't find it again. What does "emancipated" mean?

I can't really suggest anything helpful, but have you considered taking the route that the unemployment office want you to take - as in, find a job (part time) and then get the help? Or does it have to be full time work for some reason?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Doctor Online on 26 Jul 2011, 13:55
Emancipated is declaring yourself free of your parents. I think you can only do that if you have a horrible living situation, and in order to emancipate yourself you have to prove that you are capable of living on your own. Which I do, its just I know my dad, if he got a paper like that in the mail he would be absolutely infuriated, he would take it personal and not see it as a logical thing that I'm doing to help myself. That is, if you can emancipate yourself without coming from a abusive home or the likes. I don't, I just come from a normal middle class home.

Edit: Thing is, I'm working full time at a place that is more than willing to work with my school schedule. Sorry I didn't edit this in sooner I had class and was in a rush and missed the last bit you said. I also need to add, the unemployment rate is high out here in my area, definitely not a risk I'm willing to take.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimor on 26 Jul 2011, 23:39
I think school financial aid must be the first circle of hell leaking out into the real world. The catch 22 I had to deal with years ago during my first go around was that the aide came after the enrollment period, but it would only pay the school directly. So if you paid the school yourself to enroll, you were shit out of luck on getting your money back. So you could wait for the aid, but miss enrollment and have to add all your classes. Which some professors would drag their feet forever, which was a pain because you had to turn in the add forms all at once, not piecemeal. So one time a professor waited 4 weeks to add me, which meant I had to go to each dept dean and get a waiver for the extra late adds. The math dean had the nerve to tell me I was attending class "illegally". The stare I gave him must have scared him shitless, because after about 30 seconds, he signed the form.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Aug 2011, 01:31
Finally got signed up for classes for the fall. I missed one orientation day's registration by a few days, and had to wait nearly an extra month. Then I find out that contrary to what the guy on the phone had told me, it is possible to make an appointment to speak with an advisor independent of the orientation day. So most of the sections are full, and I have a hell of a time finding classes that I can make it to and need for my degree.

And somehow, I seem to have still managed to get into a good schedule. Most of my classes are around the same time (easy to schedule for work), none of them are red-eye early, and I've got a day that is completely free after one 5-week class is over. Feeling pretty damn good about that.

I'm definitely making sure to sign up for classes early this semester, though. I signed up for classes at my old college in April, but that's pretty much out the window since I decided to transfer in May.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 02 Oct 2011, 01:30
Once you are 18 it has much more to do with declaring yourself an independent tax wise.  Emancipation is for minors in bad parental situations.  Your parents can no longer claim you on taxes if you are independent.  It helps with financial aid, but you may be able to get more help from your parents if you don't.  Once you hit either 23 or 24 it no longer matters as you don't have to give out any parental information on financial aid.

I could use some help with a question of my own. Anyone have experience applying to an undergrad program at a different uni after finishing up a BA/BS in a different field? Do I apply as a transfer student? Should I take the GRE and use that? My google fu seems week on this subject and my adviser isn't much help.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 03 Oct 2011, 19:25
So I will be studying biology and education I think. I am planning to go to a college in the US just so you guys know the culture/other location stuff.

Can any of you tell me what to expect?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: TRVA123 on 03 Oct 2011, 23:36
Radical AC: I think you apply as a transfer. Undergrad generally doesn't care about GRE. They might care about SAT/ACT.

Dr. nervioso: I went to a small liberal arts college. Their biology program was extremely difficult and meant to weed out students who weren't serious about medical school. There was insane amounts of studying involved. No guaranteeing other schools programs are that cutthroat, but it might be worth talking with students at the school about the program. On one hand, a good program will give you a leg up for grad school in an economy where any advantage should be taken, on the other hand, you could spend four years in the school library, occasionally venturing out into the sunlight.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 04 Oct 2011, 14:41
I do not intend to go into medicine. I intend to teach genetics or some other field of biology while doing research in my extra time
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Oct 2011, 17:18
I do not intend to go into medicine. I intend to teach genetics or some other field of biology...

You'd have it easier in medicine.

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... while doing research in my extra time

 :laugh: :roll: :laugh:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: TRVA123 on 04 Oct 2011, 22:13
again, this is just the university I attended, the pre-med and those who planned to get a phd/masters in biology went through the same undergraduate program.

all I'm saying is to talk with the students in the program you're applying for. See how intense the program is.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: benji on 05 Oct 2011, 11:06
I do not intend to go into medicine. I intend to teach genetics or some other field of biology while doing research in my extra time

I'm a bit confused, do you mean become a professor of genetics? As in teach college/university students? Or do you mean become a teacher, as in teach highschool/secondary school students?

I get the impression that you don't live in the US but are planning on going to school here, so you should probably check what I'm about to say with someone from where you live (assuming you are not planning to permanently move to the US).

In the US, teaching at the High School level and teaching at the College Level and above are completely different fields. To do the former, you will want to do as you describe, study both Biology and Education. Depending on a lot of specifics, you will then be able to either start teaching or enter a masters program in education. If you go this rout, do not expect a lot of time or resources to do research. Research is conducted at the college and university level. High Schools do not have the resources to fund research, nor will they be particularly interested in freeing up your schedule so that you can do research. Also, biology teachers at this level do not specialize as much. Unless they want to include it as an elective, you probably won't teach a "genetics" class. Most of what you teach will probably be general biology.

If you want to be a professor (that is, teach college students and graduate students), things look very different. You will still want to get your bachelors in Biology, but you can drop Education. After you earn your BA, you are going to want to get a Masters degree and then a PhD. You can take some break between these, but don't wait too long (more then a year or two). The longer you wait the more likely you are to fall behind current research and the natural sciences tend to move quickly (this is completely different if you study other things. If you're a lit major, for example, they generally don't mind if you take several years off before pursuing a masters because major theories of literature don't change that quickly). Once you are working on grad degrees, you may well start teaching in some capacity (usually as an assistant to a professor) and you will start doing research. Once you're done with school (usually when you've earned a PhD or have finished everything but your dissertation), you will look for a professorship. Depending on the job you end up with, you may end up teaching a lot with only a little time to do research, or teaching only a little bit with lots of time to do research. You will also likely be able to specialize a little more and teach more classes in your specific field (genetics, say) though depending on the size of the program, you may have less opportunities to teach in your specialty. If there are only two biologists at the school, for example, you are probably going to have to take turns teaching the general classes.

So in summery, only take education if (a) you are interested in it or (b) you think there's a good chance you'll end up teaching high school. If you are serious about doing research, you should probably be aiming more for the higher education rout and planning on at least getting your masters in Biology.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Nov 2011, 17:40
OK so things were going really well earlier in term. It's now exactly the middle of term (term starts on a Thursday and lasts for 8 weeks so today is the midpoint) and I am starting to struggle. Probably a big issue is that I've slipped from getting up early, getting to bed early and working hard all day, to spending a lot of time talking to the Boy on facebook. Stupid how easily something so small can take over. Time to reassess and get my priorities back in order.

Also, this fortnight has been a mess in terms of my schedule. Two of my supervisions were moved (one was moved three times and then cancelled - now it's been rescheduled so we're two weeks behind) and I had an essay due three days after the supervision, which ate into my time to get started on the next week's work as I was still on the last week's one doing the essay.

ARGH. I know it will return to a balance but it's very frustrating at the moment.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 03 Nov 2011, 02:57
Augh I am having a little trouble. I'm writing my last Master's application and it's basically the only one which actually requires more than just filling out the form. They want a curriculum vitae (which I only just realised is what CV stands for) which shouldn't be too hard but they also want a statement of why I want to go there and what research experience I've had and what my strengths and weaknesses are. Man I don't know what my strengths and weaknesses are? This is basically the only thing I'm having trouble with. Why can't they just look at my marks and be done with it?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Nov 2011, 04:15
One of your weaknesses is probably a tendency to get fully absorbed in your work, occasionally to the detriment of your social life. Another is your inability to leave a job only partially done, or done to a poor standard. Also maybe throw in something like "my greatest weakness is also my greatest strength: a reluctance to let anyone down". They'll lap that shit up.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 03 Nov 2011, 05:48
There are applications that actually ask you about your weaknesses? I'm surprised. But why would whoever is reading those things be more impressed by thinly veiled inversions of postitive traits than by someone who is honestly introspective of their flawed character?

Or maybe I'm expecting too much from master's application assessors and they just don't care that much.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 03 Nov 2011, 07:52
There are applications that actually ask you about your weaknesses? I'm surprised. But why would whoever is reading those things be more impressed by thinly veiled inversions of postitive traits than by someone who is honestly introspective of their flawed character?

Maybe, but if your greatest weakness is "difficulty in forming personal relationships and maintaining a social life", then you'll fit right in...

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Or maybe I'm expecting too much from master's application assessors and they just don't care that much.

Depends, but this option's the most likely. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Nov 2011, 08:15
That's the thing about that question. No one in their right minds will answer with something like "I'm almost entirely incapable of arriving on time" or "I can't spell simple words" or "I get pissed off by idiots". So unless it's a moron-screening question, it serves no purpose except to see how inventive you can be.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Zingoleb on 03 Nov 2011, 14:08
"My biggest weakness is my inability to answer what my biggest weakness is."
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Nov 2011, 14:12
Or as I hear someone saying somewhere, "My biggest weakness is my intolerance for stupid quesitons".
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 03 Nov 2011, 14:34
That aswer may help your chances, actually...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 03 Nov 2011, 15:46
There are applications that actually ask you about your weaknesses? I'm surprised. But why would whoever is reading those things be more impressed by thinly veiled inversions of postitive traits than by someone who is honestly introspective of their flawed character?
The "What is your greatest weakness?" question is a pretty standard one in job interviews too, especially in the "first-interview" phase when you are probably talking to an "HR Professional" who knows nothing about the field you're going to be working in. They usually work off some version of "Targeted Recruitment" methodology, running through what amounts to a check-list of standard questions. Everyone knows that you'll respond with some bullshit inversion of a positive trait, but it enables a box to be ticked, and that's the important thing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 03 Nov 2011, 18:30
In terms of being a therapist my greatest weakness is to occasionally forget my inherent priviledge as a cisgendered, middle-class (albeit lower middle class but whatevs), white male in a Western country and, because of this, neglect to take wider cultural factors into account. This is something that I'm working on to improve, however.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 03 Nov 2011, 23:14
I'd think that'd be more of a psychologist answer
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 04 Nov 2011, 06:14
That answer probably won't do you any favors if you're applying to be, say, a lawyer.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Nov 2011, 08:05
If I were hiring someone, I'd far rather hire someone who was aware that their upbringing and culture make them more likely to default to their own position and overlook other people's, than someone who almost certainly does the same thing but doesn't realise it and therefore isn't trying to deal with it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Nov 2011, 12:21
The first step in correcting a problem is acknowledging it. 



Good thing I don't have any problems...   :roll:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 04 Nov 2011, 16:57
That answer probably won't do you any favors if you're applying to be, say, a lawyer.
my biggest weakness is that sometimes I don't feel enough contempt for my fellow man
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 04 Nov 2011, 19:45
So, I got my SAT scores through the mail today and- well its not bad, just not what I was expecting. I was expected to do best in mathmeatics, instead I am in the 97th percentile for writing. While this does not throw off my plans for studying biology, it certainly shakes things up.

I have been doing some extensive looking into the American University of Rome. I meet all the criteria and I can use my experience from being all over the place in ifferent cities and cultures in my statement/essay. If I do go there, I would study international government, though I do not have much direct experience, I keep up with foreign policy and I stay informed.

Now I need to convince my parents that Rome is safe. Also I need to do an interview with them sometime son. With any luck, I will be living in Europe next year. Which would be the greatest thing in the world for me. The United States does not really suit me. I have never been a fan of crn syrup, extreme patriotism, or the US political system. I feel that Eurpe will be a much healthier lace for me to live.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Nov 2011, 23:47
I'm guessing you don't follow the news much...

Safe for now, sure.  But Italy's heading into a debt crisis that will make the upheavals in Greece look like a birthday party...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Nov 2011, 10:22
Also, you might get framed for murder.  (Too soon?)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Nov 2011, 11:59
Yeah, well, there's always that, too. 

(never too soon)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Nov 2011, 13:50
Remember, being accused of murder doesn't mean you committed any crime.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Nov 2011, 14:09
Remember, being proclaimed innocent does not mean actually innocent.
More importantly, being proclaimed guilty does not mean actually guilty.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 06 Nov 2011, 00:21
Remember, being accused of murder doesn't mean you committed any crime.
unless you belong to a minority
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 06 Nov 2011, 01:22
Or you're quite attractive so it'd make a good story if you did it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 06 Nov 2011, 18:55
Hey so I'm going to take this down pretty soon so it's not searchable but I've been working on this application letter for a few days now for this Masters of Clinical Psychology course I'm applying for and I've never really written anything like this before so I need you dudes' advice. Have a read and let me know what you think because I really want to get in to this course.

Edit: Removed now. Thanks for the feedback guys. I've acted on all of your suggestions because they were all exactly the kind of things I was trying to fix but couldn't figure out exactly how to. I really, really appreciate it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 06 Nov 2011, 19:28
Or you're quite attractive so it'd make a good story if you did it.
Well I'm set then
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Nov 2011, 19:32
Jimmy, I've PMed you a few edits.  Like I said in the message, your research goal is great, they'll lap it up! 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 07 Nov 2011, 06:11
Ok I've taken it out of my previous post now. Thanks for the feedback guys. I've acted on all of your suggestions because they were all exactly the kind of things I was trying to fix but couldn't figure out exactly how to. I really, really appreciate it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jwhouk on 19 Nov 2011, 08:10
After watching how the fans stormed the field in Ames after Iowa State's big upset, I got to thinking: anyone on here ever "rush the field/court" after a huge win by their school in whatever major sport they play?

I never really had the opportunity to do that when I was in school, because my alma mater was by far the favorite in practically every game we played in men's hoops.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 19 Nov 2011, 08:36
I never had the opportunity to do that because the concept of educational institutions engaging in competitive inter-institutional sports is utterly alien to us.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 19 Nov 2011, 08:46
My almae matres  (undergrad and grad) were the state of Indiana's major college rivals - Purdue and Indiana.  I actually put my Purdue ring away for the years I was at IU, I got accosted (verbally) the first few times I taught as a grad student at IU.  


And I never went to a single game at either school.  I won't say that I hate sports, but I'm no fan.  Of anything, college or professional.  I love watching some of the individual sports at the olympics, especially the winter games, but that's about it.  I went to the local high school football games only because my daughters were in the band, and I wanted to see the halftime shows.  I usually worked concessions anyway (for the band parents organization).  


So no, I never rushed a field/court, although I hear there were some opportunities to.  But I also know my opiion of sports is a real minority.  Sometimes it feels like a minority of one...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Skewbrow on 19 Nov 2011, 10:53
The closest I ever came to rushing the court was when Notre Dame upset the (then #1 NC Tarheels) 60-58 in basketball. The first time we took the lead was during the last minute. Rolls of toilet paper flying thru the air like serpentine. The refs called a technical foul on the bench with the predictable reaction from the crowd. The freshmen started a frigging food fight in the cafeteria after the game. Come on? You're outta kindergarten, right? Part of the blame should go to the athletics department. They were really winding up the crowd before the game. Like showing videos of earlier upsets (IIRC UCLA's 3-year-old winning streak was snapped at ND?).

Football? There were some emotional wins, but they were early enough in the season not to provoke a strong reaction. The graduate students's section was in the low rows near the endzone (grumble, grumble). Our theory was that they intentionally placed the inert graduate student body there to slow down the freshmen behind us, who were probably most prone to storm the field. When a post-game party was due the team would gather in that end zone to thank the crowd for the support, and then we would reach out to hi-five with them, but nothing more.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 19 Nov 2011, 19:35
I and others rushed the field when my high school team won their aussie rules foot games against the 'traditional rival' school from down the road.

Of course, I'm talking about a crowd of 100 tops and the metal tables being the closest thing to stands.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 19 Nov 2011, 21:06
Funny this topic should come up, I just rushed the field in my school's last home game of the season. It was fun, but I didn't really have a friend to do it with.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 20 Nov 2011, 00:15
 Sometimes it feels like a minority of one...
I'm at least one other... Large men chasing small balls left me entirely cold when I was at uni, and still do now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 20 Nov 2011, 00:25
I managed the significant achievement of arriving at secondary school already officially "off games"; this meant that even when I was better, I had avoided getting drawn into the system, which suited me perfectly, and consolidated my life-long lack of interest in all such unproductive and futile antics.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Skewbrow on 20 Nov 2011, 00:41
 Sometimes it feels like a minority of one...
I'm at least one other... Large men chasing small balls left me entirely cold when I was at uni, and still do now.

I think that collegiate/school sports is a big thing only in the U.S.A. (possibly also in Canada and a few other places), so if your education took place elsewhere, it is hardly surprising that you are not interested. I was a sports fan to begin with, and I sorta got drawn into following NCAA sports (ok, mostly just football) during my grad school years. What may have played a role was that I hade very few friends during my first year, and, consequently, a lot of time to watch NFL/NCAA FB coverage on TV

Also my inner Sam the Eagle was well served by ignoring most of the pop culture, so I made an exception with sports. Do not try to beat my son in a "history of track & field" themed quiz.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 20 Nov 2011, 01:25
You're right in that school sports aren't a huge thing in Europe, but we do have sport that isn't at school which people like to watch!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 20 Nov 2011, 02:05
I think I'm gonna fail half of my classes this semester.
Fuck I'm bad at school.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 22 Nov 2011, 04:10
Well this is it. I'm less than a week away from finishing my degree.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 24 Nov 2011, 17:03
I'm in a technical college.  :mrgreen:

We're doing a virtual week thing this week, we have to sign in from home and log on to probably the worst designed forum I have ever seen. The college intranet is hard enough to navigate without adding in trying to communicate with it.
I've been told I have to have something in for the end of the week for all modules. This isn't a problem because it's lots of work, it's a problem because I'm ahead on work. There's only three things I'm able to do out of nine modules and that's because they were given this week. This is the first time the college has done something like this on this scale but I'm going to be considered a bad student because of their disorganization and disbelief a student can actually manage to hand in something before a deadline.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Nov 2011, 18:13
I forget if I mentioned it a month or so ago when it happened, but I dropped out of grad school.  Decided not to teach.  Thinking of going to law school in a year or two, though, any lawyers/law students who would advise against this?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 24 Nov 2011, 20:10
studying law is easy, in Australia anyway. I've got some friends who are doing/have done their JD though and they thought it was alright.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Nov 2011, 20:47
Maybe I should move to Australia and study law.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 24 Nov 2011, 22:18
I think I posted this at some point, but probably in a different thread...

My brother in law (one of them) was ABD for his doctorate in philosophy at St. John's in DC.  He'd taught for a while while studying, but quit that, and started doing some part time work for ... an environmental advocacy group, I forget which one. 

After a year or so, he was acting as a defacto paralegal for them.  They encouraged him, and he's left Philosophy and gone to law school.  He plans on doing advocacy whe he's done. 


Good luck, method.  He says it's not bad...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 24 Nov 2011, 22:49
Maybe I should move to Australia and study law.
You're from the states?

Aussie bachelors degrees are usually recognised in the US, but you'll still have to sit the bar exam or whatever your state imposes and that means a lot of extra learning after the degree. Of course, then you'll have a lesser degree than everybody else.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Nov 2011, 07:24
Yeah, I am, but if I studied law in Australia, I'd stay in Australia to practice it.

Also: thanks, Carl.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 26 Nov 2011, 06:09
Dammit, missed the last day to withdraw from a class by a week. Now I'm gonna probably fail this class. Too bad I can't even be happy that I learned stuff from it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Nov 2011, 07:14
Sure you can! 


Everything will look familiar when you re-take it...  and if you get the same instructor, so will all the exams...   :angel:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Nov 2011, 07:33
I have a lot of work to do and I did get about three hours done this morning but I stopped for lunch at 1pm and now it's half past three and I'm still sitting in my pyjamas doing no work at all what is wrong with me
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 26 Nov 2011, 08:01
Sure you can! 


Everything will look familiar when you re-take it...  and if you get the same instructor, so will all the exams...   :angel:

There have been no exams in the class! its an english class, college composition, and I have not actually learned anything about composition.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Nov 2011, 08:07
@Jace - sorry about that, my optimism fu isn't all-encompassing. 

@Barmymoo - I'm opting for burnout.  And then, you're posting here, and you'll check back later for replies like this one...

Stop that!  We'll miss you for a few days, but sometimes you just gotta let go... 

Get a shower and get dressed, you'll feel better and more invigorated.  It'll help for a few hours, at least! 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Nov 2011, 08:30
Haha I did go and have a shower and get dressed, and then I worked for another hour. Now I'm getting ready to go for coffee with a friend, and I'll work again this evening hopefully.

I think you're right, it's burnout. It's week eight of eight, I have technically four more days but really nearly another week to go (stupid post-term lectures and superivisions). I'm getting sick of having to work all the time, and if I'm not working all the time I'm feeling guilty. Earlier in term I could do five hours of reading each day, two or three of lectures, and one or two of supervisions, and I'd have time to relax and not feel anxious about it. Now I'm probably not doing all that much more work but I'm stressed about it all the time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 27 Nov 2011, 04:38
Apparently I just had to settle into my groove, got a full page done (single spaced, so ~2 pages double spaced), things went better than expected.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 07 Dec 2011, 02:09
UPDATE
Oh shit I have a final next week for history and I've also missed all of the tests and quizzes for the class. Maybe taking a class where I only had to go in once a week was a terrible idea.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 07 Dec 2011, 22:47
American History I, which is from the colonization to the Civil War. It is a class I honestly could not care less about. I love history, but American history is so fucking boring because there's only like 200 years of it and you learn it at least 3 times before you even get into high school, so learning the same stuff again in college, hard to do.
I'm considering not even going to the final because I practically have a 0% in the class so what is the final gonna even matter. Same with my Critical Thinking class, I haven't even been to that class in like 2 weeks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: look out! Ninjas! on 08 Dec 2011, 20:02
oh btw I now have an Honours Degree in Law
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 09 Dec 2011, 00:41
Congratulations! (http://files.myopera.com/Tamil/Smilies/Applause.gif)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 09 Dec 2011, 12:15
Congrats!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 16 Dec 2011, 06:49
Today we got tested on Tuesday's lecture on two-photon imaging. There was a consensus between the students that we couldn't possibly have known the answer to question six, but the postdoc who made the test was being hard-headed about the right answer being the right answer, even though we couldn't have known the other answers were wrong.

He also made the answers follow the pattern of ABCDCBABCD. Apparently I was the only one to notice that. The only reason I got question six right was because I filled in the pattern, but tests really shouldn't do this. Still, I can't really complain about my 10/10.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 16 Dec 2011, 07:42
Turns out that I had a 95% on the 3rd test in Critical Thinking, and I went in on Monday which was the last day and the professor wanted me to take home the last test and mail it into him because other than doing subpar on the second test (I missed the first but he is not counting it) I did really well in the class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 01 Feb 2012, 13:04
Reviving this topic to say that I have been accepted to the university I was hoping for. In fact, I have gotten accepted to all the universities I applied to.

Anyways, I am still waiting on acceptance from their honors college, but still YAY!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 Feb 2012, 13:15
Congrats!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 21 Feb 2012, 17:01
Up until now on my dissertation, I've been thinking "Hmm, I'm not sure how I'm going to fill this word limit." But I've just reached the point where I think I might have to cut out some of the stuff I planned putting in there - an entire section might have to go! This is a weird experience. It is stressful and I can't figure out why. How the heck can you get stressed about the fact that you don't have that much work left to do?!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 21 Feb 2012, 17:34
I missed 5 spanish classes in a row. It will be 2 full weeks since I've actually been in that class.
I don't really want to do all of my maths homework because it is pretty silly to have to draw a circle and then draw an angle on that circle like 16 times. waste of paper to draw that many circles.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 21 Feb 2012, 22:54
How the heck can you get stressed about the fact that you don't have that much work left to do?!


End of an era. 


Scarey stuff...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 Feb 2012, 02:11
I hate my degree right now :(
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 22 Feb 2012, 09:25
Whenever I arrive early for a tutorial, there are first year students waiting for tutorials in adjacent rooms. The small talk they make is always the same, week to week, and is exactly the same as the small talk I remember making when I was a fresher. Every single conversation inevitably involves the question "Did you do the reading?" and the answer is always either "No" (followed by a solitary laugh) or "I did a bit of the first one."

I wish I was a fresher again. It was so easy. If I did half as much work then as I do now, I would have easily gotten firsts in everything.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 22 Feb 2012, 10:09
You do realize that most of them will never make it to the level you're at, right? 

First year is for learning how to learn...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 22 Feb 2012, 10:18
Oh, they absolutely will. Like I said, I had exactly the same conversations when I was at their level. Pretty much everyone who is at my level now will attest to the same. Obviously, I can only speak for my degree at my university, but first year is extremely easy. So long as you have the slightest ability to philosophise, you can coast through doing pretty much no work. I pretty much skipped the second semester, and still came out with grades equivalent to a good 2.1.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 Feb 2012, 10:20
Everyone passes here, but that's not because it's easy - just because it's very hard to fail. I think maybe we get one person failing a year out of several hundred? I agree that first year is for learning how to learn but it's still difficult, and I feel that it's rather unfair that my first year grades make up 1/3 of my final grade, whilst in other subjects only the third year counts, or only the second and third year. It seems pretty arbitrary.

Also, you need to remember that everyone is progressing. I expect A level would be a breeze now, but they were damn hard at the time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 22 Feb 2012, 14:04
Hoo boy. I've been looking into my options for a Master's following up on my bachelor in Neuropsychology, and if I'll be staying at this university then my first choice is the Brain & Cognitive Science Master, which is limited to 25 admissions and requires a 7.5 GPA plus a statement of motivation in 300 words. They told me that you can still be considered for admission if you don't have a 7.5 but write a good statement. My average is currently at a 7.1, and I don't have a realistic hope of bringing it over 7.5, and 300 words is really very little if I want to convice someone to consider me for a position. I'm really uncertain about my chances here, and I haven't ever been in this kind of situation before. Kind of scary!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 22 Feb 2012, 14:06
Even though I don't want to go to university and haven't applied, I am feeling kind of left out with everyone getting, "YAY I GOT ACCEPTED!" and everyone else being, "YAY YOU GOT ACCEPTED!"  :|
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 22 Feb 2012, 16:42
That's weird, May. I didn't know anywhere in England counted your first year at all. Is that just an Oxbridge thing?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 23 Feb 2012, 00:30
In Oxbridge, even before modern types of assessment came along there were graded public honours examinations at the end of the first year, known (at Oxford) as "Moderations". I got a third in mods (equivalent at that time in Oxford to a 2.2), and a second (=2.1) in finals; as I changed my subject part-way through the first year, I wasn't too upset with my mods class, though the college was, and took away my exhibition (junior scholarship).

In Classics (Literae Humaniores or Lit. Hum.) at Oxford, finals are known as "Greats", and when people are said to have done "Mods and Greats", it generally means specifically in Classics.  If people are said to have got a "double first", that always means specifically in Classics Mods & Greats.  This is helpful to know when reading a certain kind of novel.  In all other subjects, when you have done finals, how you did in mods is superseded and forgotten about.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 23 Feb 2012, 23:25
The state run university I teach at, while not open admission, is pretty close.  Overall it has about a 78% graduation rate. 

The branch campus I specifically teach at is a hail-mary campus for those least likely to make it.  We have a ridiculous amount of support for them, and only offer a "first year experience" to streamline them into classes at the main campus.  Even then, we only have about a 50% retention rate (only about 50% make it past the first year), and only about a 20% graduation rate for those who start at our campus. 



They're very good at making excuses, though.  It's amazing what happens when you ask one of them why they haven't been to class for three weeks...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 28 Feb 2012, 21:47
But for college where maybe your max number of students is 40-60 (except for lectures, but lets face it, who the hell expects a lecturer to remember the names of all their students).

This was said in the vitriol thread, and maybe it is because I'm at community college, but I've never had specific lectures and other classes of the same subject? Like, all of my classes are generally the professor giving a lecture but also sometimes giving assignments or having the class do exercises.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 29 Feb 2012, 00:58
I think different places do things differently, at my uni we have a two-stream learning system with lectures (which do not set work but do sometimes provide "suggested extra reading" which no one ever does) and supervisions (classes) where you are set a whole load of reading and some questions to think about, and essays ever so often. In some subjects here, the lecturers set the work and the classes are just a chance to make sure everyone understood it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 29 Feb 2012, 03:30
So sent my deposit in a few days ago. I am looking towards room and bard, which is pretty confusing when you look at housing. At the very least, I do have a potential roommate, but he lives in Illinois and has technically not made a decision. So I am going to e frustrated I think. I hope not, but that is what happens when people are more behind than I am and I am depending on them
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 29 Feb 2012, 04:14
OK people I have a question.

In general, how do you structure your essays? And also what country are you studying in?

I just got an essay back from my international law supervisor. This is the first essay I've submitted to her, and I thought it was pretty good. She has ripped it to pieces. I made two definite errors of fact, and there are three or four points which I also recognise are valid (didn't back up my points properly) but she has also been pretty scathing about my structure. Apparently I should have outlined my argument in the first sentence, used section headings, avoided "abstract summaries of the law", split my answer into two parts to address the two elements of the question, and basically structured it completely differently.

This goes against every piece of advice I've ever had about an essay, and I have a suspicion that this may be one of them cultural difference thangs. She is an American PhD student, so I am wondering if the structure she suggests is an American convention? I just checked the faculty marking criteria and there is absolutely nothing at all about a required structure - and the fact that I've been consistently getting "good structure" "excellently structured" etc - suggests that I'm not wrong.

I'm just upset because I don't want to have to spend the rest of the year writing essays which I feel are totally stupid and wrong (I have not used section headings in an essay EVER, and I haven't used them at all since I was in primary school making leaflets) just to appease someone who I think is wrong. But equally I don't want to totally ignore what she's said, which would be sticking two fingers up to her as a teacher, or tell her that she's wrong without anything to back myself up except "no one else has said this".
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: TRVA123 on 29 Feb 2012, 10:37
For US papers it is common practice for your introductory paragraph to be a summary of the rest of your paper. The sub heading and such is not common practice for general essays, although it might be different in Law.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 29 Feb 2012, 10:54
But for college where maybe your max number of students is 40-60 (except for lectures, but lets face it, who the hell expects a lecturer to remember the names of all their students).

This was said in the vitriol thread, and maybe it is because I'm at community college, but I've never had specific lectures and other classes of the same subject? Like, all of my classes are generally the professor giving a lecture but also sometimes giving assignments or having the class do exercises.

I was basing this off of my uni, but for the classes I've taken (that are not in huge lecture halls, just standard classrooms), the class is usually about 15-30 people. Profs tend to teach 2, maybe 3 classes, but usually no more than that. So that's where the numbers came from. Almost all of my classes have either been studios, where students work pretty closely with a prof and are usually no more than 15 people, or seminars, which are also usually about 15-20 people and we all talk to each other enough that everyone knows each other by name. But I remember several undergrad classes that were non-major and not only did I never bother to learn the names of my classmates, I sometimes forgot the name of my professor unless I really liked them.

Lecture profs though...I was always shocked if they knew who I was. I don't think I'd ever remember the names of students if I had about 300-500 of them a week. That's just too much!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 29 Feb 2012, 14:39
I decide organization specifically for each essay. I am against blanket formats and believe everything is more effecive when it is tailor-made for a specific purpose. As for your essay, I would guess it is a law thing. I recommend you go to your professor and ask about the specific structure and is it specific to law or international law. Different classes do have different standards maybe you overlooked something on your syllabus? Or maybe, depending on the level of your class, yur professor expects you to know the organization. It happened to me once in a biology class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 29 Feb 2012, 15:16
Nope, definitely not one of those situations - this supervisor has taken over half way through the year from our previous supervisor, who was a fellow. The new one is just a PhD student. Definitely not specific to law - I've been studying law for two and a half years, someone would have mentioned it by now. Not specific to international law either, not just because I have been studying it for nearly a year but because the years above also think it's rubbish. It's specific to this supervisor and we've concluded that it's wrong.


ETA: I think it's worth adding that these essays are totally irrelevant to our grades. They're just practice for the exam, which will be set by the professors rather than the PhD students.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 01 Mar 2012, 07:51
Two fingers it is, then!  And find some outside evaluation for the further essays. 


Oh, and you might want to tell someone higher up what she's doing...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 01 Mar 2012, 08:27
I spoke to our director of studies about it, whose advice was "talk to the supervisor about it, and then she'll probably come to me for guidance". She also thought I was being a bit silly being bothered by it, but then again she generally thinks I'm being a bit silly about all of my worries, because she is an academic of many years and has forgotten what it feels like to be 21 and anxious about exams.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Mar 2012, 07:52
Looking at my work to-do list makes me want to cry :(

By Monday I have to read three more articles and write an essay. I have already read a textbook chapter and two articles. I have five hours of choir on Sunday.

By Tuesday I have to read two chapters, six articles, one statute, and a case. I have a supervision on Monday morning, tutoring on Monday night, and a concert I really want to go to but probably won't be able to.

By Wednesday I have to read two chapters, an article, a statute and nineteen cases. I have two lectures on Tuesday morning, a supervision in the afternoon and two hours of choir in the evening.

OK university, you have to choose. I can do my degree, live my life or remain sane. Pick any two.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 02 Mar 2012, 10:40
I have a question for you, May. You seem to be super stressed about uni a lot.* Would you have chosen a more laid back university, or no university at all, if you had known what it was going to be like?

*Or at least are whenever you're posting about it here.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Mar 2012, 11:56
It's an interesting question, particularly since I do a lot of access and outreach for my college.

The answer is yes and no. I love it here, I love my college and I love Cambridge and although I get frustrated about the obsession with exams instead of the pursuit of ideas (which I imagine is even worse at other universities), I am glad to be here and constantly challenged and pushed.

But I get so angry about the fact that we are all so stressed and exhausted. Cambridge has a special system for taking a year out because you have worn yourself out and had a breakdown. It appalls me that the need for such a system exists; it appalls me that, on recognising that need, the university decided not to resolve the problem but instead to provide a mechanism for making sure you come back and finish.

There is absolutely no need for everyone to be this stressed. 8 week terms are completely stupid. No one needs 28 weeks of vacation. There are people developing eating disorders, fatigue illnesses, depression, myriad mental illnesses (the rate of students seeking treatment for mental health problems is something like five times the average) and it is completely unnecessary.

So yes, if I had known how it would be then I would have thought twice about coming here. I applied to two very good universities (I also applied to two fairly crap ones as fall-backs) and I think both would have been less pressure with almost equal academic rigour. But for all my moaning, I haven't left yet.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 04 Mar 2012, 04:56
In general, how do you structure your essays? And also what country are you studying in?

I'm studying computer science, which probably involves less essays than most other courses, but I'm correcting essays from some younger students (I've virtirolled pretty heavily about it), so I've read quite a few (130 this far in the semestre, going to be close to triple that at the end of the semester, each at 3ish pages). The course has no formal requirements for structure, so the students really just follows whatever they knew before they got here. This means that I see a lot of different kinds of structuring, the most common one being not structuring the damn thing, and you know what? As long as there's a structure there, it doesn't really matter! Someone gives an introduction to the whole thing right at the beginning, some gives an introduction for each paragraph. Some use section headings, some don't, someone ditches the final conclusion, and favors several, smaller conclusions to each section.

As long as you are consistent, and it's easy to see what you are trying to argue and what arguments that you have, you have good structure. Anything else is fluff and bullshit.

When I correct, I usually read the entire thing, then skim back through the essay when I'm writing the feedback to remind myself what points they came up with. I think that gives a good test for structure - if you cannot pick up the core arguments by skimming though the essay (if you are familiar with the subject matter), the structure isn't good enough.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Mar 2012, 05:24
That is a very good rule of thumb and one I think I need to follow more closely - if, when I read my essay back, I can't make a bullet point list of the points that resembles my initial plan very closely, then I need to edit again.

We got an email from the supervisor saying that we will be going over how to structure our essays in the next supervision. Could be interesting - none of us are happy being told we have to give up a perfectly good structure to replace it with one we have never used before, just a few weeks before exam term starts.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 04 Mar 2012, 07:17
So, I have to do a fifteen page essay about a International topic for my IR class. This will be my first actual long essay, so hopefully I will do well and not go insane. I am thinking of doing it on China and the western world's basic misconceptions about it. I have to the end of the semester.
Anyone have any advice for doing these long essays or where I can get some good materials on modern China?

Also, roommate stuff, found a roommate a month or so ago. Nice kid, smart. The issue is, A) he is not in my major (Me-Microbiology, Him-Law). Not such a big problem, but it would have been nice to have another biology person to share a room with. B) He actually has not made a decision on where to go. My college is at the top of his list, but I really do need to find a room ASAP. Though, until I get my room and board stuff in the mail, so not too worried right now.

So, I have been hearing all about these horrible roommates, on numerous cllege advice websites, can it really be that bad?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Mar 2012, 14:14
[shudders]

25 years later.  Yes, it can get that bad. 


The guy who dealt pot from our room was pretty cool, though, and never got caught. 



The guy who rebuilt his entire bicycle in the room  was another story... and it took three weeks.  WTF?






Oh, and there was the one who never slept, and kept me up talking to/about his hallucinations.  Fortunately, he only lasted about a month or so. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 04 Mar 2012, 21:24
My roommates are just a mid-20s pothead with aspergers and a 30y/o alcoholic who is unemployed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Mar 2012, 04:31
@dr. nervioso - Wait, you actually have to find your own roommate?  You're not assigned one as a freshman?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Mar 2012, 04:58
I'd imagine that he's living in private accommodation?

I can't get my head around the idea of sharing a room with a stranger at university. Doesn't it get really annoying? What if you have totally different sleep patterns, or work habits? I get annoyed enough at the people next door being noisy, I'd probably end up smothering someone who lived in my room.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 05 Mar 2012, 06:04
I've heard both good and bad things (never experienced it myself). One of my friends was actually bullied by her 3 roommates, so she switched rooms and was happier. Her new roommates were at least in her major and not mean, but they were still pretty annoying. She only lived in the dorms one year and moved into an apt with a friend after that.

I personally would have never wanted to live in dorms because I found out how annoying they were after visiting some of my friends in theirs. Especially freshmen floors.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 05 Mar 2012, 07:39
You can get singles, they're just typically more expensive. The norm I think is 2 people to a room, but there are also suites that can have up to 4, maybe more depending on the uni. It really just depends on how much your parents feel like paying for your room. Which is dumb.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Omega Entity on 05 Mar 2012, 07:55
I don't think I'd ever be able to live with someone that I wasn't related to, or involved with romantically. I obsess over things that bother me, and I'd drive both of us up the wall, I think.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: TRVA123 on 05 Mar 2012, 10:49
The randomly chosen, ahem, I mean the very carefully matched based on mutual interests and sleeping habits, roommate that I had freshmen year was pretty horrible. She was a complete slob (I am fairly messy, but I keep my mess confined to parts of the room that are mine exclusively.) She was not terribly nice to me, she once took my television out of the room without my permission. She also reported to the RA that I had moved out of the dorms, when I was simply avoiding her. That was a very awkward conversation with my RA.

The next year I could choose my own roommate, and I fared well. Its not so much about having habits that compliment each other as it is about talking with your roommate and seeing what works for the two of you and what doesn't.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Mar 2012, 11:59
All the roomates I listed were random assignments in a 2-person dorm room.  I went through a lot of roomates in a short period of time. 

After my second year I moved out and into a house with some friends.  It didn't get less weird, but at least I know the weirdness ahead of time!


Oh, and I had my own bedroom. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 05 Mar 2012, 13:22
At my university, you have the option to select the roommate if you have one in mind. If you do not, then there is the random roommate
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Mar 2012, 14:48
It really just depends on how much your parents feel like paying for your room. Which is dumb.

This may be the difference - or rather, it is certainly a difference. Since we are a massive communist dirty socialist intelligent progressive welfare state, most people pay for their accommodation from the grants and loans they get, and therefore parents don't have to shoulder the burden. My parents don't contribute at all; they did enough financing me for the 18 years I was at home.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 05 Mar 2012, 15:32
Yeah, it's the same with me. My grants and subsidies are just enough to pay the rent for my single-room apartment with a private bathroom and a shared kitchen, and I live off the pay of the highly irregular hours I work at a high school. My parents are just as stingy as I am, and like May's, with good reason. They offered to pay €500 for furnishing my room when I first moved in, and after that I was on my own. Which is perfectly all right; it's more comfortable not to be financially dependent on others.

I figured the difference was also one of scale. In the US, the 'range' of a prospective college student is far greater than that of a European student. A Dutch prospective student may want to move to the university at the southern-most point of the country while living in the northern-most point of the country, and they'd 'only' have to move about 275 km. In the US, that distance is fifteen-fold larger, and they'd still find themselves among people speaking (roughly) the same language. So it's probably much harder to find a halfway decent university without moving across the continent. Then you can't as easily have dinner at your parents' every weekend like I do.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 05 Mar 2012, 16:07
Since we are a massive communist dirty socialist intelligent progressive welfare state, most people pay for their accommodation from the grants and loans they get, and therefore parents don't have to shoulder the burden.

This is a change, of course, since the introduction of student loans.  In my time, there were grants to cover everything, but they were means-tested and made up with the officially assessed "parental contribution"; and in my case my parents paid the whole amount of the grant (not a penny more, I should say!).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 05 Mar 2012, 17:46
So talked to future(?) roommate, he wants to have a third roommate, which I have no specific qualms with, but I am still n my default wary setting. But since he hasn't  actually confirmed his enrollment, we won't talk about specifics.

My university's roommate matcher is technically open, but seems to be broken. Which really is not that bad since I know for a fact that it doesn't work completely (People lie on the internet)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 05 Mar 2012, 20:29
I figured the difference was also one of scale. In the US, the 'range' of a prospective college student is far greater than that of a European student. A Dutch prospective student may want to move to the university at the southern-most point of the country while living in the northern-most point of the country, and they'd 'only' have to move about 275 km. In the US, that distance is fifteen-fold larger, and they'd still find themselves among people speaking (roughly) the same language. So it's probably much harder to find a halfway decent university without moving across the continent. Then you can't as easily have dinner at your parents' every weekend like I do.

I don't follow your reasoning. It's not like the US the same number of (quality) colleges spread across a larger area. Each state has its own system of universities, plus all the private colleges. Sure, there are concentrations of more prestigious schools in certain areas of the country, but it's not as if most people (except I guess the ones in the 5-people-per-square-mile Midwest nowhere places) really have to go that far to reach a good school. It's just, the one three states over might be better - if you can swing the out-of-state tuition. And for some people, not being a day-trip away from home is a selling point.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Mar 2012, 21:54
I think LTK's point isn't that people have to go far, but rather that, having the option, many do  travel far from home for college, even thousands of miles, and stil stay in the same country, something that's nearly impossible in Europe.  I know I had the option of three premier schools - one within an hour of home, another about three hours away, and the third was over 500 miles away. 

I went aas far as i possibly could... my brothers were driving me crazy!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 06 Mar 2012, 00:51
This is a change, of course, since the introduction of student loans.  In my time, there were grants to cover everything, but they were means-tested and made up with the officially assessed "parental contribution"; and in my case my parents paid the whole amount of the grant (not a penny more, I should say!).

They're actually still supposed to make a contribution, quite often - when you apply for your loans there is a bit that says "parental contribution". I have no idea whether I had one of those or not, because I never even considered asking my parents for a regular payment. We agreed that if I ever became desperate, they would help me out, but it has never arisen thank goodness. I think it helps that I don't drink and that I work a secret illicit job (illicit in the sense that we're not supposed to work, I'm not an exotic dancer or anything).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 06 Mar 2012, 03:22
See, I had a choice between two states, Florida and Indiana. I have lived in both for a considerable amount of time. But the issue is with Florida, while it has better weather and attractions than Indiana, also had my brothers in it (One in Miami and another at the main florida college I was considering). Also, since I am in Indiana, it would charge out of state fees. Now, keep in mind that Florida colleges are plenty cheaper than Indiana colleges (I almost spit out my water when I saw IU's fees). So, since I had a few friends and teachers who went to Ball State, I got their recommendations and here I am
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 06 Mar 2012, 05:59
That's in Belgium? Damn. My yearly tuition fee is almost three times that. Although subsidies for students who aren't living with their parents receive about the same (~€3000). On the other hand, renting an apartment in a not-shitty part of the city will cost you at least €300 in the Netherlands.

If I were going to move abroad for my Master's degree, I'd probably go to a Scandinavian country. They don't charge tuition fees. At all. That's partially offset by the increased living expenses (drinking regularly is going to bankrupt you), so it's a tough choice to make. I need to ask my study advisor what she thinks about my chances on a foreign university.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 06 Mar 2012, 12:33
Came across this just now, when doing reading for a Metaphysics tutorial.

(http://i.imgur.com/74ZNm.png)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Avec on 06 Mar 2012, 12:50
My brother's recent surprise visit from Philadelphia (four and a half hour drive) and near immediate departure has only cemented my belief that I'm in the MIDDLE OF FUCKING NOWHERE. Does anyone else hesitate when friends ask to come and visit?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 06 Mar 2012, 15:31
These people in my maths class are so dumb. We should be able to cover more than half of a page in a 100 minute course. We are gonna run out of time to learn the really hard stuff because you jackasses don't understand fucking triangles.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 06 Mar 2012, 17:00
I an assuming you are at a college/university, so I will say that the professor should just move on. Babying them educationally will just make it worse for them when they advance and get a much more harsh instructor. While the instructor needs to keep in mind the needs of the students, he also needs to be aware of the required material and time constraints.

I think that is universal to all colleges, but I am sure it could be different attitude outside of the US
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 07 Mar 2012, 08:30
That's what tutors are for. And study groups. So yes, they really do need to move along.

I only have 2.5 days left of student teaching. I am so excited for my 2 week break (I have no exams before spring break, yuss!) you have no idea. VAY-CAY-SHUNNNNNNNN!*

*Breaks are pretty great as an undergrad, but they are like 1000x more meaningful as a grad student, let me tell you. I needs it precious.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 08 Mar 2012, 02:09
That's in Belgium? Damn. My yearly tuition fee is almost three times that. Although subsidies for students who aren't living with their parents receive about the same (~€3000). On the other hand, renting an apartment in a not-shitty part of the city will cost you at least €300 in the Netherlands.

If I were going to move abroad for my Master's degree, I'd probably go to a Scandinavian country. They don't charge tuition fees. At all. That's partially offset by the increased living expenses (drinking regularly is going to bankrupt you), so it's a tough choice to make. I need to ask my study advisor what she thinks about my chances on a foreign university.

What sort of sucks for future UK  students is that us that are born in England will pay the maximum to go to any University in the entirety of the UK. Welsh citizens won't pay more than they're paying now, and Scottish citizens go for absolutely nothing (something I hope changes if independence happens). Pretty ridiculous.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 08 Mar 2012, 02:28
Even worse - any European student who goes to a Scottish university also pays nothing. English students are funding everyone else's free education.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 08 Mar 2012, 06:30
Which is why I don't understand how £1 trillion of oil off the coast of Scotland is supposed to keep them giving all students free education on top of, you know, the rest of their economy (if they were to become independent). Whilst tuition fees can be seen as necessary (both English and Welsh students pay), I don't see how Scotland can carry on having to pay nothing - perhaps their contribution to UK graduates would be minimal if they actually had to pay for it?

Also, as a Course Representative, I keep having to go to meetings on how we should improve the English & American Lit course for the new students. Because they're paying so much money, they deserve a good course right?

I can't help but think why these changes weren't made earlier - I'm still paying £3000+ to the University, where's my supreme, conditioned and improved course? It seems a little redundant to me, but I won't even be here come July, so...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Mar 2012, 15:38
CQI (Continuous Quality Improvement) hit the colleges and universities a few years back. 

After all, if some of the students are failing, the course must need improved, right?



Repeat after me:  "A University is NOT  a business... a University is NOT  a business... 


Oh, and while we're at it, neither is a government...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 08 Mar 2012, 15:46
Your latter postscript is something I would like to put up on banner ads.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 08 Mar 2012, 21:42
Professor told me that I would not fail the course because I was like 15 problems ahead of the class on what is the most important section of problems. Made for a boring 45 minutes though when I was sitting there done with them all right the whole time.
Now I have a feeling some of the other people don't like me because I'm really good at math.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Mar 2012, 23:04
That's not  why they don't like you...

 :angel:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 09 Mar 2012, 04:51
Oh hey, here that's taken seriously.

If less than 40% of students are failing, your course needs to be made harder.

I might have said this before, but I just don't get this philosophy. Maybe because the schools I've been in used generally used rubrics instead of curves, but I think a class should set out expectations that are attainable by most of the students, if they are willing to apply themselves. Some more so than others, of course, because people have different strengths and all, but I really think that when a student fails a class it's because a) they simply, physically, did not do the work/show up to class/read the book before doing the essay about it/etc., or b) the teacher did not give them the necessary information/skills to do the work. There should be no pride as a teacher in almost half your class not being able to do the assignments to a satisfactory level, when your purpose was to teach them to do it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 09 Mar 2012, 06:33
The idea is that you shouldn't be testing someone's relative intelligence, but their actual ability to do the subject. The simplest way of understanding it is if you take a subject like medicine. How well other people do whilst studying medicine should not be relevant. All that matters is that the only people who end up qualified to practice medicine are those who actually have the skills to do it.

It gets less important with other subjects (there's no great danger that would arise from a university awarding English Lit. degrees to people who aren't that good at English Lit.) but the idea remains the same - the course should be designed to root out the people who can do the subject, and separate them from those who can't. Qualifications become pretty pointless if they're designed to let the average student pass - all that shows to the world is that you took the time to do one particular qualification, rather than another - they're supposed to teach you shit, and if that subject is harder than the average student is capable of understanding, then the average student should not be passing it.

And, of course, you should not automatically blame a teacher because their class has failed. Some people just can't do particular subjects, and the appropriate thing to do is to design a structure that prevents those people from getting qualifications in those subjects.
Take me, if I was to try to do a degree in Physics, given the fact that I am incompetent at science, the only acceptable outcome would be for me to be failed. And the person who fails me should be recognised as doing their job properly, not teaching me badly.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 09 Mar 2012, 07:48
I agree with that, I think it's a question of whether there is just a very high standard of performance required to get an A, or if the teacher has a mandate to weed people out of the program and/or is using a curve to force a certain percentage to fail - because that is testing students' intelligence relative to each other, and that is messed up. I shouldn't fail a class or assignment just because someone else did better at it, if what I did met the requirements laid out when the project was given.

I did horribly in Physics too, because I didn't "get" it the way I'm used to - but then instead of working harder and going to office hours for help, I gave up on it and started skipping class because I didn't understand what was going on anyway. I could try to say it's the professor's fault that I didn't understand him, but it's not as if (for the most part, at least) the questions on the exams were on material that he hadn't covered in class. Sometimes they do that, but not in that class. It was my fault that I failed, because I did not turn in satisfactory work, and I didn't make the effort I could have to do better.

Maybe it's my mindset of failure as "crash and burn, only did half of what was required" while in some places it's just "didn't score in the top X percent"?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 09 Mar 2012, 12:31
Yesterday I got back the second of the two mock exams I did at the start of January, and I got 132/200 on one and 134/200 on another. 140 is a first, and no one ever gets 180 or over (that would be a starred first, and I don't believe anyone has got one of those in law for over three years here) so I was thrilled :) Particularly since the feedback said "if you had done a little more analysis and been a little more careful with your facts this would have been first class" (I mixed up Bosnia and Serbia in a question about genocide...).

So that was really encouraging, particularly since it's the same subject as the one I got that awful essay back a few weeks ago - and the person who marked my mock exam is a fellow and a doctor, whilst the one who marked the essay is a PhD student. So I'm happy to go with the more positive grade!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Mar 2012, 16:25
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VWEzDi8O-mY/Ttuqvub9SdI/AAAAAAAAJxU/Bsv4NPmk-Pk/s1600/smiley_with_thumbs_up.gif)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 10 Mar 2012, 01:00
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Mar 2012, 07:30
Oh, sorry.  Too big? 

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VWEzDi8O-mY/Ttuqvub9SdI/AAAAAAAAJxU/Bsv4NPmk-Pk/s1600/smiley_with_thumbs_up.gif)


Better?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 10 Mar 2012, 07:55
Slightly ;)

Also a bit argh - the film I was involved in making has been released and they've included the clip of me, and I look very plump. More positively they also included four of the others I filmed! Exciting :) Although the contrast between my film clips and the professional ones could not be more obvious.

Haha also a bit of a "choir rehearsal" which was totally and completely faked purely for the camera. The music was composed especially for the film and a group of us were press ganged into recording it. It's ironic since it's meant to illustrate how we all get involved in lots of activities, which is true - but that really isn't one of them.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 11 Mar 2012, 01:51
I've come to realise that exams in English Lit at degree level are fucking pointless.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 13 Mar 2012, 07:04
Quote
This contention, in their Lordships' opinion, founders on the same rock of factual incredibility as sunk the contention based on the alleged six assets agreement.

Occasionally I actually enjoy reading judgments. Hehe. Take that, Prince Jefri Bolkiah and your attempt to claim that somehow you had a right to steal a load of money and buy a bunch of houses and then keep them because, well, you felt like it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 13 Mar 2012, 08:39
I had a horrible experience last night.

Yesterday morning, I handed in an essay. At 11pm, I realised that I hadn't handed in a digital copy yet (which must be done by midnight). I panicked a little, but realised I still had plenty of time to get on my computer and upload it.
Except... when I went on my computer, I couldn't find it. The only thing I could find in its place was a draft that had huge chunks missing. Luckily, I had printed off a paper copy that was a little too blurry to hand in, so I started frantically typing it back up. Whilst doing that, I realised I'd made some really stupid typos, and kept in some sentences that really should have been taken out. Prior to that, I'd been thinking I had done well on the essay, now I think it is absolutely terrible.

Oh, and there was a "happy" ending - after typing for 15 minutes, I thought to myself "I wonder if for some reason I saved the essay in my Downloads folder?"
And I had! If only I'd thought of that sooner, I wouldn't have had to know that my essay is terrible until I get the marks back.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Mar 2012, 08:54
This is why I keep all documents I'm working with on the desktop, and only file them away when I know they're dealt with.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 13 Mar 2012, 09:23
It could have been a lot worse. A while ago, I was using Ubuntu One to sync my work across my partitions, and to allow me to access my work anywhere. It was really useful, right up until the point where it fucked up syncing the master copy of my dissertation, and literally just deleted all the text in the file. It then synced the now blank file with my other partition, meaning that what had been my main emergency backup was also completely blank. Luckily, I have a laptop that I seldom use, which had last been turned on (and therefore synced) a week prior. So I managed to retrieve my dissertation (minus the week's work) from there, by preventing it from syncing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: celticgeek on 13 Mar 2012, 10:06
I am at the point where I do not have that many "important" documents, but I have gotten into the habit of "backing them up" on an external hard drive as soon as they are "complete".  If there are several versions, I give each of them a "version number", using an underscore and a three digit numerical code.  This is in addition to my regular (roughly monthly) backup procedure, which involves the external hard drive, and a number of DVDs.  (My, what a lot of quotation marks). 

I originally bought the external hard drive to back up my music, so that I did not have to re-rip it every time I changed operating system (more or less annually), I could just copy it over from the external hard drive.  These music files occupy about 160 Gbytes, so it is very handy not to have to re-rip everything. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 13 Mar 2012, 12:50
I keep meaning to get some kind of backup system going. So far it has proven impossible - short of manually copying every single file from my laptop onto an external harddrive, at least - because my laptop point-blank refuses to make a backup without first creating the backup on itself, and I don't have anything like enough space for it to do that. No matter what I tell it, it still insists that it has to do this. Anyone have any ideas what I can do?

Although I don't actually have any important documents at the moment, I will do next year when I start my dissertation.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Asterus on 13 Mar 2012, 12:56
You might be able to find a trusted program to handle backup duty. I used VCom's recovery commander a few years back for an XP, but had to give it up for 7. If you've only got the default windows processes, see if this helps:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Back-up-and-restore-frequently-asked-questions
By the way, I'm a permanent windows guy. If it's a problem with macs, try time machine or something.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 13 Mar 2012, 13:54
I find that a good stop gap is to periodically email yourself whatever it is that needs backing up. That way it'll be there in an attachment if you ever need it. The only problem with that system is that you need to remember to do it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 13 Mar 2012, 15:54
I back files up (both at home and at work) using SecondCopy (http://www.secondcopy.com/), which is not free, but pretty cheap; I've been using it for over ten years, and have had one paid update in that time and several free ones.  There are various ways you can set the copying up; I make it mirror the source directories on the target drive, and when this means deleting or overwriting a file in the backup copy, that file is first moved to a "deleted" backup directory (in which multiple copies of the same file, up to a specified number, can be kept as well).  So it combines keeping a copy that's organised the same as the main copy with keeping everything.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Mar 2012, 05:40
Just finished another essay, taking the total of completed essays this week to two (and half of one written on Sunday night and not handed in on time - I'm going to finish it over vacation). However, my net progress towards total completion is nil, because I've just been informed I have another essay due this afternoon. I'm suspicious (the essay sheet says we can choose between the question on the sheet, or one on a sheet we won't actually get given until this afternoon's supervision) but even if it is actually not due for another week, that's still an extra essay I hadn't been counting.

Sigh.

I seem to remember this happening last term as well.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Mar 2012, 07:36
May, do you have a flash drive?  Your laptop may recognize it as part of the system when it's conected and allow you to create a backup there. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 15 Mar 2012, 08:05
I get my NYSTCE results for the LAST exam on Monday. It's the final exam I had to take before I could be reccommended for certification. I neeeed to pass this!!!!

I'm getting so impatient! Why can't they just send them out already!?!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 15 Mar 2012, 08:37
Crossed fingers!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 21 Mar 2012, 17:50
An assignment is due today at 11:55pm, about 3 hours from now.
But we turn the assignment in about 4 weeks from now. We are just supposed to print it out tonight and carry it around until then.

If I could hate someone to death I think it would be this professor.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 21 Mar 2012, 17:54
Sounds like someone was't paying attention to the online dates...

Has anyone bitched about the discrepancy?  I wouldn't know half of what goes on without my students complaining about it...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 22 Mar 2012, 05:58
Ugh. Those are terrible. I'm with Carl- complain!!







(In other news, I got my test scores! 286/300! Got perfect scores of 300 on the arts & humanities section and the essay. Weeeeeeee)

Now I just have to take all the shit that I've done (B.S. (ha.ha.), fingerprinting/background check results, school violence prevention workshop, child abuse recognition and reporting workshop, Assessment of Teaching Skills test, Content Specialty test and this past test (Liberal Arts and Science test) and send it all to the state with a check and crossed fingers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 22 Mar 2012, 22:08
The worst part is that she knows. She assumes that there is still a print date/time on papers.

I actually looked her up on ratemyprofessor.com. She has a 2/5 with a lot of comments spanning the past 6 years saying she is terrible and not to take her class.
What really gets me is that when I signed up for the course it was another professor, but then they switched it at the last minute (the day before classes started) to being this professor.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 22 Mar 2012, 22:18
Ratemyprofessor.com is a joke.  They have no protocol, no accuracy, and no godamned honesty. 



Needless to say, I've had a few run-ins with them in the past...  in particular, one vile comment that started with "I never had this guy, but I heard..."

They said they'd remove it, but never did.  It's been six goddamned years  and I asked every semester for four of them.  The comment's still there. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 22 Mar 2012, 22:56
Well of course it isn't a very reliable site, but it wasn't only negative reviews, there was a couple good ones that boiled down to "it is a pretty easy course because there is little homework but she is unclear about what she wants"

Also, other students that hear about her say to never take any course she teaches because she is actually pretty bad at teaching.

She teaches from a fucking DVD. Like, every single day in class we watch more from this DVD that is obviously a VHS recorded in the late 80s/early 90s that has been put into DVD format.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Mar 2012, 01:19
I don't understand the handing in thing - what is due at 11.55pm and what is due in 4 weeks? When I have stuff due I just email it, or I just hand it in on paper, so I don't think we have this kind of weirdness.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 23 Mar 2012, 03:25
For us, we have a system where we have to hand in a paper and a digital copy. The digital copy is checked for plagiarism, whilst the paper copy tends to be the one that gets seen by the person marking it. I assume Jace is having to hand in a digital copy early, then carry round the physical copy?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 23 Mar 2012, 12:31
The assignment is through a digital coursework thing, but there is one login for the whole class to use, it doesn't track individual students.
So the professor wants us to do the assignment by 11.55pm and then print it out and carry it around for weeks to turn it in so that it has a 'print date' of when we did it to make sure we did it on time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Mar 2012, 17:23
I still have no idea what you're talking about but I am beginning to suspect that the reason I don't understand is because it is a fucking stupid pointless requirement. Am I right?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Asterus on 23 Mar 2012, 19:57
Basically, the digital turn in is just some arbitrary step to see if someone was really dumb enough to copy a paper word by word. If the automated scans from turnitin.com find that a paper has an unusual amount of content that matches other papers, it flags a warning to the professor to look into it. The physical turn in is usually when the professor will actually read the papers and write feedback on the physical paper to give back. I don't understand why a professor would wait 4 weeks though, unless they were swamped with other assignments.
The automated originality check's kinda BS though. I've had friends who review source material together and bounce ideas off of another, only to find that that leads to papers that reflect that influence on one's style of writing, thus the papers get flagged. On the other hand, my papers appear to have a suspicious lack of plagiarism, simply due to my rather unique way of integrating source material into my sentences.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 23 Mar 2012, 20:48
It isn't a paper, the digital turn in does nothing but grade the multiple choice assignment. Then you print that page, instead of taking the answers and re-doing the assignment to get a 100%, and turn it in way later.
This stems from it being a stupid requirement.

Also I'm really fucking tired of professors and teachers telling me that my essays need voice. Fuck you this is how I write something that is about facts, by laying out facts and what those facts mean. I can't use words like fucking and phrases like "all up in this" or "crazy ridiculous about this shit" so you aren't gonna get my voice. You're gonna get the voice that I have to use when talking to my girlfriend's family which is boring and mechanical sounding.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Mar 2012, 10:06
World War I started when someone busted a cap in Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and the only reasonable response was to get a war all up in this bitch (the bitch being Europe).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 24 Mar 2012, 20:15
History, Bitches!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Asterus on 24 Mar 2012, 20:32
the digital turn in does nothing but grade the multiple choice assignment

I see... and I feel like part of me just died after reading this. That kind of logic is my Sora (http://www.ansemretort.org/ansemretort/index.html?comic)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Apr 2012, 09:54
<moderator=Paul>The following posts grew naturally out of another thread, in which they were increasingly off-topic.  I have moved them here, and added the quote below to provide a link in from the other thread.<moderator>

Redball- To teach kindergarten in her 60s, your wife must have been an amazing woman. After every kindergarten class I taught, I was ready for a nap myself! Education is such a fascinating field of study and it amuses me to think that I truly hated school when I was younger. Now I realize that I was just bored.

I hope I can hold onto it too! Sometimes I think that no matter what field they are in, one is destined to feel either naïvely optimistic or completely jaded towards their career. A happy medium must exist somewhere, right?

I don't know of any happy mediums - they know too much...  :-D

What you say reminds me of when I started my current adjunct position.  All the other adjuncts were newly minted students and got mentors.  I asked the department head why I didn't have a mentor.  He replied, "You're already jaded". 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 09 Apr 2012, 11:03
I don't know of any happy mediums - they know too much...  :-D
 I asked the department head why I didn't have a mentor.  He replied, "You're already jaded".
Was he right? And are you still jaded, or is there a post-jaded career?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Apr 2012, 13:53
Well, I wasn't really jaded when he said that.  It was about 7 years ago.  Since then, I got and lost another tenure-track position, and now I'm an adjunct again.  Lost an online job, too.  And now I've been shipped to siberia to teach the bottom-of-the-barrel-scrape-it-till-we-hit-wood students. 

I can put on a good front, but if this is the rest of my life, I really want out.  I also just turned 50, and I always get depressed around my birthday (spring sucks). 

So no, I dunno if there's anything post jaded.  Still looking. 

Oh, wait - wrong thread, sorry...  Just pretend this is Pessimism. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 09 Apr 2012, 15:39
I can put on a good front, but if this is the rest of my life, I really want out.  I also just turned 50, and I always get depressed around my birthday (spring sucks). 

So no, I dunno if there's anything post jaded.  Still looking. 

Oh, wait - wrong thread, sorry...  Just pretend this is Pessimism.
Didn't need to pretend; I'd just come from there. The pessimism's understandable. Any options? What subject?

Redball- To teach kindergarten in her 60s, your wife must have been an amazing woman. After every kindergarten class I taught, I was ready for a nap myself! Education is such a fascinating field of study and it amuses me to think that I truly hated school when I was younger. Now I realize that I was just bored.

I hope I can hold onto it too! Sometimes I think that no matter what field they are in, one is destined to feel either naïvely optimistic or completely jaded towards their career. A happy medium must exist somewhere, right?
I started to respond that what kept her going were the hugs. But it was much more than that. She functioned often as a special ed teacher and while working for sub pay (plus her pension, of course) she took every workshop she could and a few applicable courses. She enjoyed learning and putting what she learned to use. She had been challenged in college by instructors or counsellors who'd seen her test scores and thought difficult stuff would be too hard for her.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 09 Apr 2012, 21:20
Any options? What subject?

I got my doctorate in Mathematics (Knot Theory) in '95.  I thought I'd be able to continue doing research, but it never happened.  I got one publication from my thesis (in the Mathematical Proceedings of the Cambridge Philosophical Society, no less!) and a few conference papers on a smattering of topics, none of which ever really panned out. 

But I did it to teach anyway.  The year I got my masters I got a one-year sabbatical leave appointment and was encouraged to go back for my doctorate by the department chair so I could keep on teaching, so that's what I did.  And I'm good at it, too. 

But being a good math teacher is like a relativistic snowball, it doesn't hit the student right away - sometimes not for years.  And sometime in the last 20 years, university administrators decided that they could should run a school like a business.  They started making all their decisions based on customer satisfaction, including student evaluations of faculty. 

I could write a paper about how fucked up that is, but no one would publish it, because it's gospel now.  I've lost three jobs to student evaluations, because I keep my standards up and don't put up with bullshit.  And each time I've lowered my standards some more, hoping to keep the job, and my peer evaluations all admire how well I do at keeping my standards high, and the students slam me for it.  But it feels like I'm teaching half the material half as well as I used to.  I love to teach, but I can't do much with those who won't learn.  Those of you who are students, please, don't take offense, but giving you the power of who keeps their job and who doesn't is basically putting the asylum in the hands of the inmates.  You are not in a position to judge yet, you are students, by definition you don't yet know what we're even teaching you.  My stats classes all build up to a point, about two weeks from the end of the course, where everything is tied together.  Evaluations are done two weeks before that, before I can show you the power of my science.  What the fuck am I supposed to do?

As for prospects, it doesn't matter.  I'm tied to the job, I have a very sick daughter for whom I need to keep my excellent insurance.  I can't strike out and change career paths, or start my own business or any such thing if I want to keep her... I was going to say healthy, but that's never going to happen again, as long as she continues to live.  And to keep that insurance, I took the one position that was guaranteed, the position at the outpost where the uneducable are educated.  And just to get some of the better ones through the course, I've had to cut back more

Oh, god, I'm making myself nauseous.  Or maybe it was the chicken wings...

Really, this should go elsewhere.  I shouldn't even be reading this thread, much less posting in it.  Sorry, everyone. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Skewbrow on 10 Apr 2012, 02:13
I share Carl-E's pain about teaching basic math at college.

But there are alternatives to being jaded.... my choice is to be naïvely optimistic. Yeah, I will really make an impression to the next batch of freshmen, and we will get a platoon of wonderfully enlightened future math teachers saving the country and the world.

My homework assignments and in-class examples are occasionally designed to set the bar high (so that the aspiring students get a challenge). This also works in getting the weaker ones to drop the course early enough. But my exams are relatively easy. I've been instructed to see to it that we don't totally scare off the freshmen. Because they all did relatively well in high school they just need to be shaken up a bit so that they realize that professionals need to work.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 10 Apr 2012, 06:13
The idea that students get to choose who stays and who goes is appalling. I don't approve of formalised state education anyway, as a concept (although obviously it is often the best option for most families), so I guess I'm already biased against the idea of schools. But. Ugh. Carl, I don't envy your situation. Come live in the UK where things are still slightly better. Bring your daughter. Our healthcare is free, at the moment.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 10 Apr 2012, 06:31
I don't know of any happy mediums - they know too much...  :-D

This made me LOL  :-D

I started to respond that what kept her going were the hugs. But it was much more than that. She functioned often as a special ed teacher and while working for sub pay (plus her pension, of course) she took every workshop she could and a few applicable courses. She enjoyed learning and putting what she learned to use. She had been challenged in college by instructors or counsellors who'd seen her test scores and thought difficult stuff would be too hard for her.

I think the secret to a good teacher is one who is committed to a lifetime of learning. That's my favorite part of teaching (and art)- there is always more to learn. Sometimes I think that my thirst for knowledge is really just providing something for my brain to do so it doesn't get itself in trouble or piss me off. Other times, I think it's because my mother called me a know-it-all while I was growing up and now I'm truly trying to Know All The Things.

But mainly, it's just fun.  :-)

I got my doctorate in Mathematics (Knot Theory) in '95.  I thought I'd be able to continue doing research, but it never happened.  I got one publication from my thesis (in the Mathematical Proceedings of the Cambridge Philosophical Society, no less!) and a few conference papers on a smattering of topics, none of which ever really panned out. 

But I did it to teach anyway.  The year I got my masters I got a one-year sabbatical leave appointment and was encouraged to go back for my doctorate by the department chair so I could keep on teaching, so that's what I did.  And I'm good at it, too. 

But being a good math teacher is like a relativistic snowball, it doesn't hit the student right away - sometimes not for years.  And sometime in the last 20 years, university administrators decided that they could should run a school like a business.  They started making all their decisions based on customer satisfaction, including student evaluations of faculty. 

I could write a paper about how fucked up that is, but no one would publish it, because it's gospel now.  I've lost three jobs to student evaluations, because I keep my standards up and don't put up with bullshit.  And each time I've lowered my standards some more, hoping to keep the job, and my peer evaluations all admire how well I do at keeping my standards high, and the students slam me for it.  But it feels like I'm teaching half the material half as well as I used to.  I love to teach, but I can't do much with those who won't learn.  Those of you who are students, please, don't take offense, but giving you the power of who keeps their job and who doesn't is basically putting the asylum in the hands of the inmates.  You are not in a position to judge yet, you are students, by definition you don't yet know what we're even teaching you.  My stats classes all build up to a point, about two weeks from the end of the course, where everything is tied together.  Evaluations are done two weeks before that, before I can show you the power of my science.  What the fuck am I supposed to do?

As for prospects, it doesn't matter.  I'm tied to the job, I have a very sick daughter for whom I need to keep my excellent insurance.  I can't strike out and change career paths, or start my own business or any such thing if I want to keep her... I was going to say healthy, but that's never going to happen again, as long as she continues to live.  And to keep that insurance, I took the one position that was guaranteed, the position at the outpost where the uneducable are educated.  And just to get some of the better ones through the course, I've had to cut back more

Oh, god, I'm making myself nauseous.  Or maybe it was the chicken wings...

Really, this should go elsewhere.  I shouldn't even be reading this thread, much less posting in it.  Sorry, everyone.

No need to apologize! It's directly related to the topic at hand and it's all important stuff. I'm sorry to hear that you are in a tough spot  :-\ It is ridiculous to me that your evaluations are a month before the end of classes. In all my time attending college courses, we did evals during the last week of class- when we started reviewing for the final. And the fact that they have that much weight is really scary. They should be taken into account, sure! But not to that extreme. Some students have helpful opinions. Others are just spiteful idiots.

This might be a silly suggestion, but maybe you could use something to invigorate your practices. If your approach isn't working for you because it's not working for your students, perhaps there is an alternative method that can incorporate what it is that you want to achieve while not going totally over your students' heads. Do you ever go to conferences? Sometimes it helps just being in a space filled with hundreds of people who "get" what it means to be in the field that you're in. Just by Googling "math teacher's conference" I found one happening this month in Philadelphia.

I can't imagine teaching math so you and Skewbrow have my utmost respect. It's doesn't have the best reputation as far as the majority of students are concerned and I know that doesn't make it any easier. That's one similarity between our subjects. Nothing drives me crazier than listening to students talking about how much art sucks and how useless it is. We need to break down the stereotypes regarding our subjects to the students who object to them before they even walk in the room.

Preconceived misconceptions combined with difficulty handling the material are a deadly combination. Maybe a pep talk/explanation of your tactics at the beginning of the semester would quell your students' fears and get them to trust your methods more. A sense of humor goes a LONG way and what I've seen from you here indicates that you've definitely got a good one. I've been in a lot of REALLY difficult courses that the prof made a little easier to handle just by easing my fears and lightening the mood. If everyone feels defeated right off the bat, it's harder to make connections (in more ways than one).

Now that I've pummeled you with unsolicited advice, feel free to disregard it all. You've got a lot more experience than I do and I obviously don't know your teaching methods firsthand, but I know that sometimes a fresh perspective helps. It's hard to see solutions when you're so close to the problem, y'know?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 10 Apr 2012, 09:47
Carl-E, as a current (well, soon to be ex-, I suppose) student, I pretty much completely agree with you about student evaluations of teachers.

I'll start this post with the caveat that I think in principle student evaluations of teaching staff can be a good thing. After all, some people are terrible at teaching, and I do think that students can be in a position to maturely evaluate that.

I had this one lecturer last year who would start off the lecture by giving everyone a "handout" that was pretty much just a 6 page, double-sided essay on whatever we were supposed to be learning that week. He would then proceed to read it word-for-word, completely monotonously, as if he was bored shitless.* The result was that everyone who had the stamina to go to one of these lectures would end up losing focus, and consequently not learning anything. This is bad teaching that we, as students, could recognise as it was happening. In theory, he should have read his evaluations, and made an effort to make his lecture delivery more engaging. However, given that  this particular lecturer was a senior Professor at the University, he must've been getting these complaints for years and done nothing about it.

That caveat was longer than I expected it to be, anyhoo continuing on. At my university, we have exactly the same problem with evaluations being filled in before course completion. How in the heck am I supposed to know how well I've been taught if I've not recieved my grades yet?

I've had modules where I thought "This is really easy!" and ended up doing badly on. In hindsight, it was probably because I wasn't pushed by teaching staff as hard as I needed to be to be capable of doing well when examined.
And, on the other side of the same coin, I've had modules where the set work every week has felt so hard that I  was sure I was destined to fail the module, but what's happened is that I've come out with a great knowledge of the subject at hand, and consequently done really well in the exams.
 Delaying the evaluations until after I recieved my results would have completely changed the feedback I would have given.  In the first case, my evaluation would have gone down, and in the second, it would have gone up.

What does puzzle me is that, as a finalist, I'm asked to evaluate my experience of the university as a whole. How in the heck am I supposed to objectively evaluate the only university I've ever attended? When asked how satisfied I am with the university, how am I supposed to know, if I have no other university experience to compare it to?

*He probably was bored shitless. I would be if I had to do that at 9am every Monday.

Addendum: Perhaps a mod could kindly figure out a nice clean way of chopping off this part of the thread, and putting it in the University/College thread?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 10 Apr 2012, 17:35
As a student in a trigonometry course (that is, the second course you take for your math credits in a non-science degree) where I am one of like 4 students who understands the curriculum. I feel for Carl. We spent probably 2 months (2 classes a week) covering chapter 5. There was spring break in the middle of that, but then because people ask dumb questions and don't retain their math skills from the previous semester, we end up having to go over stuff over and over. So then there was easter break (4 day break) before we took the test for chapter 5. I don't think I did very well on it because of the fact that I was looking at material that I hadn't seen for 2-7 weeks. Now we have 9 classes to finish chapters 6 and 7. We started chapter 6 after the test monday (which coincidentally I had to leave for because it was my 2 year anniversary with my girlfriend and we had dinner plans)
Now we have 9 classes to finish chapters 6 and 7.

Of course, except for myself and one other person, no one cares if we finish all of the material, because they aren't going to be taking any higher level mathematics courses, for me it is pretty integral to the rest of my degree.

btw, if someone could explain how to verify cos^2(x)-sin^2(x)=2cos^2(x)-1 it'd really help since the book doesn't give very good examples for that one. I have a feeling that I am supposed to use the pythagorean identities but it is just not clicking.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 10 Apr 2012, 19:12
Ratemyprofessor.com is a joke.  They have no protocol, no accuracy, and no godamned honesty.
I had never heard of this site, but it really is hilarious to read college-level students bitching in misspelled, illiterate gibberish that their professor unfairly marked them down for bad grammar and spelling... Hello boys and girls, you are supposed to have mastered basic English before you leave high-school. If ESL people can do it, why not you?

I am appalled though that colleges actually dismiss lecturers on the basis of this crap.  :x
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 10 Apr 2012, 20:17
The really appalling thing about that site is the "hotness" rating. 

Yes, you can give your professor a chili pepper. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Skewbrow on 10 Apr 2012, 21:51

btw, if someone could explain how to verify cos^2(x)-sin^2(x)=2cos^2(x)-1 it'd really help since the book doesn't give very good examples for that one. I have a feeling that I am supposed to use the pythagorean identities but it is just not clicking.


The pythagorean identity basically says that

cos^2(x) + sin^2(x) = 1.

Multiply both sides of that equation by minus1 to get

- cos^2(x) - sin^2(x) = -1.

Add 2cos^2(x) to both sides

2cos^2(x)-cos^2(x)-sin^2(x) = 2cos^2(x) -1.

On the left hand side of that equation combine 2cos^2(x)-cos^2(x) to cos^2(x), and you are done.

A simpler way of achieving the same result is to replace sin^2(x) with 1-cos^2(x) on the left hand side (justified by Pythagoras). After you get rid of the parenthesis, you combine like terms and are done. I wasn't sure how comfortable you are with the rule: -(A-B)=-A+B. If you are happy with that, then it would go like

cos^2(x)-sin^2(x)=cos^2(x)-(1-cos^2(x))=cos^2(x)-1+cos^2(x)=2cos^2(x)-1.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 11 Apr 2012, 00:23

btw, if someone could explain how to verify cos^2(x)-sin^2(x)=2cos^2(x)-1 it'd really help since the book doesn't give very good examples for that one. I have a feeling that I am supposed to use the pythagorean identities but it is just not clicking.

A simpler way of achieving the same result is to replace sin^2(x) with 1-cos^2(x) on the left hand side (justified by Pythagoras). After you get rid of the parenthesis, you combine like terms and are done. I wasn't sure how comfortable you are with the rule: -(A-B)=-A+B. If you are happy with that, then it would go like

cos^2(x)-sin^2(x)=cos^2(x)-(1-cos^2(x))=cos^2(x)-1+cos^2(x)=2cos^2(x)-1.

This was the one I was looking for! Since we are verifying, we are only meant to manipulate one side of the equation to get it to look like the other. I was just drawing a blank! Thanks for helping!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 11 Apr 2012, 01:12
Ratemyprofessor.com is a joke.  They have no protocol, no accuracy, and no godamned honesty.
I had never heard of this site, but it really is hilarious to read college-level students bitching in misspelled, illiterate gibberish that their professor unfairly marked them down for bad grammar and spelling... Hello boys and girls, you are supposed to have mastered basic English before you leave high-school. If ESL people can do it, why not you?

I am appalled though that colleges actually dismiss lecturers on the basis of this crap.  :x

Its weird, because students these days don't seem to have any problem with not being able to spell or use grammar properly. The people I've talked to about such things seem to think it is somebody else's fault that they don't know that the apostrophe in "it's" is usually for "it is", or that "whom" usage is necessary once in a while (for her/him). Recently, the student newspaper that I write for came under attack for having printed articles with spelling mistakes in them - and yet people freely admitted that they sent off their articles full of mistakes, and still felt it was the editor's fault for not making a pristine example of their work. It is appalling, really, to try and suggest that bad grammar usage and poor spelling, when you're writing for print, is anyone else's fault but your own.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 11 Apr 2012, 08:21
Oh, but it's always someone else's fault. 

I had an exchage with a student Monday before a quiz.  He was asking for aother example of the material the quiz was over.  We'd done one last class (by way of review), had done dozens of them the week previous (because of the homework that was due), and so I said no.  He said he'd done the homework (it's online, instant feedback, so he knew if he had them right or wrong and could redo them until they were right), but he still didn't understand it. 

...and that's when I told him that it was his responsibility to do more, or seek out a tutor, or get some kind of help.  I'd done what I could, if he still had trouble, it was his turn to do something. 

He was shocked.  Shocked, I tell you.  And I'm pretty sure he wasn't the only one...


So you know who's going to get blamed for not "teaching" him, right? 

 :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: TRVA123 on 12 Apr 2012, 00:40
heh, I am one of the tutors that people go to with those problems. I'd say that at least half of the college age clients I have just expect me to do their homework for them. And they all seem to be under 27. Any student over 27 that I've tutored really wants to learn the material.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 12 Apr 2012, 06:35
It really is scary how bad some people are at forming coherent sentences. I saw something yesterday on Facebook that REALLY made me shudder.

Someone I'm friends with posted something along the lines of "Why me? Boohoo, my ex-girlfriend is ruining my life but I still love her". Someone responded with "Your better then them and your gonna get threw this. There just a piece of shit."

I get that this is just FB so it's not really serious and most people don't really think before they post....but....whyyyyyyyyyyyy??? It hurts my brain to read things like that. These people all graduated high school!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 12 Apr 2012, 06:56
And it's actually no more trouble to write the correct words rather than the wrong ones.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Apr 2012, 07:03
And you can't really blame the autocomplete for getting the words wrong - not if you start them correctly and actually look at what's being foisted upon you! 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 12 Apr 2012, 07:52
Someone I'm friends with posted something along the lines of "Why me? Boohoo, my ex-girlfriend is ruining my life but I still love her". Someone responded with "Your better then them and your gonna get threw this. There just a piece of shit."
I had to read that about five or six times before I understood what it meant.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 Apr 2012, 08:33
A girl in the year above me at uni (so a final year law student at one of the best unis in the world), who is at least bilingual and possibly trilingual as she's Swiss-American, writes lyk this on fb and it makes u want 2 cry.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Apr 2012, 09:03
Well, technically that's a fourth language for her...


Or at least, a dialect. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 12 Apr 2012, 11:51
A girl in the year above me at uni (so a final year law student at one of the best unis in the world), who is at least bilingual and possibly trilingual as she's Swiss-American, writes lyk this on fb and it makes u want 2 cry.

Eergrghhh....yeah, that drives me insane. The word "you" is only 3 letters, you mean to tell me that it's too hard to type the whole thing? I hate when people leave out practically every vowel too. Vowels are your friends!!

We could probably have a whole thread dedicated to ridiculous language usage on the internet. (And in meat life as well.....it's sad how many errors I find in the paperwork at my job. Just this morning, our youth program put a press release in the local paper and it mentioned that they helped students focus on community leadership, career development and "collage preparation".)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 12 Apr 2012, 12:23
It goes beyond laziness or the occasional misspelling, though. Sometimes it seems that people are being intentionally wrong.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 12 Apr 2012, 16:10
And it's actually no more trouble to write the correct words rather than the wrong ones.
Yes, especially if you touch-type. I don't actually think about the separate letters in a word any more unless it is distinctly unfamiliar, I just let my fingers take care of that.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 12 Apr 2012, 16:43
I've been a good speller before, during and after a 30-year career as a reporter and copy editor. When someone asks me how to spell a word, the letters usually come out of my mouth almost as fast as I can type them. When the letters don't start immediately, if I'm at a keyboard I tell the person, "Just a minute, I'll ask my fingers."
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 12 Apr 2012, 23:42
...and it mentioned that they helped students focus on community leadership, career development and "collage preparation".


So... it's an arts program?   :-D
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Apr 2012, 00:11
And it's actually no more trouble to write the correct words rather than the wrong ones.
Yes, especially if you touch-type. I don't actually think about the separate letters in a word any more unless it is distinctly unfamiliar, I just let my fingers take care of that.
On the rare occasion that I type in that shorthand, it's as a joke, but it takes significantly longer to type for this reason, I have to actively think of how to spell it wrong.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 13 Apr 2012, 03:12
I suppose Twitter kind of re-introducted having to do stuff like year = yr or using you know, actual numbers instead of words (one/1)

I live with a ridiculously smart English student and his facebook is a horrendous concoction of "lol"s and "exclaiming everything! I can't help putting one of these on the end of the sentence! Its really so much better than a full stop! Yay!!!!"

But hey, if everyone had my grammar/word sensitivity, there would be no future job or complaining for me to do, so it keeps me busy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 13 Apr 2012, 08:18
Usually I think about what the word looks like and read it from my head. I've always been pretty good at spelling. And for the tricky words, mnemonic devices/breaking the word into its roots both tend to work pretty well.



Well....that and the red squiggly line. How do people ignore that?!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 13 Apr 2012, 08:23
cool article about the brain learning to read: NPR (http://www.npr.org/2012/04/12/150497103/the-monkey-business-of-recognizing-language)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Apr 2012, 09:24
I suppose Twitter kind of re-introducted having to do stuff like year = yr or using you know, actual numbers instead of words (one/1)
I can't get myself to do that, and thus sometimes I need two or more tweets. Am I doing it wrong?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 13 Apr 2012, 09:34
Seeing as how you use twitter you are, by definition, "doing it wrong."
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 13 Apr 2012, 09:48
It seems I'm even doing "doing it wrong" wrong.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 13 Apr 2012, 13:30
I frequently go into 3 texts to send a message, because I have always written out words in full and punctuated. You know how people always go "no one ACTUALLY punctuates their texts"? They do. I do. That is how I know.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Omega Entity on 13 Apr 2012, 16:13
My texts are all properly worded as well. And properly capitalized. And grammatically correct.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 13 Apr 2012, 19:33
Me too!




In other semi-related news.....it did not take 6 months to get my certificate! Had to pay an extra 25 bucks to get a paper copy, but it's here! It's here! Weeeeeeee!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: MrBlu on 13 Apr 2012, 22:57
Aww, fuck, I'm finally done with this shit.

Aww, fuck, I'm starting back next month.

I'm not sure how my life got to this point.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 14 Apr 2012, 17:23
One of the speakers at the conference I was at today said that a friend had told her to stay in school until they threw her out. 

Next thing she knew, she had a Ph.D. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 14 Apr 2012, 20:07
One of the speakers at the conference I was at today said that a friend had told her to stay in school until they threw her out. 

Next thing she knew, she had a Ph.D.
What was her topic? Did she know it?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 14 Apr 2012, 20:25
You know, I am semi worried about this. I am more than a few years off from teaching biology at college, but when I do I am going to use an idea from a book I read in urban outfitters, I will record all of the silly basic errors my students make over the year. Then I will release them all at the end of the year to my students. (The authors will be anonymous of course). The offenders do not get revealed, but they are shamed. Or I just might call them out in class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 15 Apr 2012, 12:44
My dissertation is due in 8 days.

 :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 15 Apr 2012, 13:59
I got to call out actors who were not reading their line notes, in front of the 50+ person cast. It was immensely satisfying, because line notes are a pedantic pain in the ass, which we were doing for the benefit of people who were clearly ignoring them, because they kept making the same mistakes every day.

In a less shaming method, some of my high school teachers - calc and english, I think - would use people's poor work as exercises for finding errors. So in math (or maybe it was physics?), we'd have to find where the calculations went wrong, and in English we'd correct the spelling/grammar/punctuation of sentences pulled from recent essays.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 15 Apr 2012, 23:50
Yeah, can't really do that nowadays.  The shame factor thing pisses people off.  You wind up being called out for it. 

My dissertation is due in 8 days.

 :psyduck:


Get off the fucking boards - we'll still be here next week. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 16 Apr 2012, 03:30
Right. I submitted my master's application form. It's missing one of two reference letters, my bachelor's diploma (which I haven't got on account of still having to graduate), my bachelor thesis (which I haven't completed yet, instead I have a second-year thesis), official transcripts of my grades (I have no idea if I can even get those and how) and it's one day past the deadline. Also, my GPA is 0.4 points below the required 7.5.

I am about 50% sure I screwed up enough things in the procedure that I'll be rejected immediately. However, I wrote a pretty badass motivation letter, and I hope the stuff that is there will be enough for them to consider me for an interview. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 16 Apr 2012, 03:49
Yeah, can't really do that nowadays.  The shame factor thing pisses people off.  You wind up being called out for it. 

My dissertation is due in 8 days.

 :psyduck:


Get off the fucking boards - we'll still be here next week.

Thing is, there is so much individuality in teaching and in learning that it should be reasonable to call people out and shame them.

If someone is a shit teacher (comparable to the teaching methods of staff as a whole), then they should be called out.
If a student is lazy and can't be bothered with doing work properly compared to their peers, they should also be called out.

I guess I'm an advocate of having been shamed a few times in high school and given the kick up the ass to meet requirements set by my teachers and my peers.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 16 Apr 2012, 05:15
Well they didn't say who had done it, so it was just kind of like, everybody now knew that someone in the class was taking an honors-level 12th-grade English class and still didn't know the difference between common homophones.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Apr 2012, 06:12
I have a fairly good revision strategy sorted out. The problem is that I can't get motivated to actually do anything about it. I've done perhaps an hour's work so far today, which consisted mostly of learning something I should have covered months ago. I just don't seem to really care about these exams. I have two sort-of motivators for getting a good grade, but apparently they're insufficient. The main thing which motivates me to work is having other people around to work with, and handily a friend asked if I wanted to go work in a cafe with her in half an hour, so hopefully I'll get a couple of hours of solid work done then.

Ugh.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 17 Apr 2012, 07:34
I have a fairly good revision strategy sorted out. The problem is that I can't get motivated to actually do anything about it.
That kind of motivation became a life-changing experience for me. Flunked out of the University of Michigan when I stopped going to too many classes and skipped exams. Enlisted in the Army, later went back to a tiny college, did well, and became a journalist instead of a physicist. But maybe I'm reading too much into this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 17 Apr 2012, 08:37
If I stick at it, I might actually finish my dissertation today :S This makes me feel pretty nervous. University is almost over.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Apr 2012, 09:23
Redball, I am hoping to go and do another degree to become a midwife, so I will probably be a lot more motivated for that since I can see an end point. The difficulty with this law degree is that yes, I'm interested in some stuff but not all of it and all I have to do to get onto the midwifery degree is pass this one. And I will definitely pass it. So I can't really force myself to work just to achieve an arbitrary figure on a piece of paper I'll not make much use of.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 17 Apr 2012, 09:53
Understood. I overreacted; I have clear memories of a sinking feeling, even if it was 55 years ago.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 17 Apr 2012, 10:28
May, every time I read you talking about university, I think to myself that you'd be excelling if you had gone to pretty much any other university in the country, so don't lose heart.

Also, I was right. I did finish my dissertation today. What the fuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Apr 2012, 12:07
Awesome, good job! When is it due? Do you have to/get to bind it like a real book?

I think I'm doing pretty ok to be honest, I do very little work and I'm getting a 2.1 for most of the work I actually submit, and for my mock exams. I just am kind of done with this now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 17 Apr 2012, 12:21
It's due on monday. I think this is the first time I've ever completed work for uni early.
Nah, I don't get to bind it, which is a little sad. I have to just put it in a plastic wallet.

I know exactly how you feel about being done with it. I felt exactly that throughout my second year, and the beginning of this year. Now I'm actually finishing, I feel the complete opposite. I wish I could just keep on going with it.

2.1s is definitely doing okay! I tend to feel that anyone who does better than that is probably working too hard. But then, I have been coasting for most of my degree, so I'm not really good judge of what a sensible amount of work is.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Apr 2012, 12:34
do another degree to become a midwife,

When you are doing this and freaking out I will make a pun about having a midwife crisis.


In uni news, my english class is meeting in the library tomorrow and I don't know where that is.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 17 Apr 2012, 14:13
As a potential future librarian I am upset by this.

Also, isn't there a campus map?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 17 Apr 2012, 14:56
Probably?

I've never had to go to the library on campus. I have the internet, that has pretty much everything I could ever find in a library but faster.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 17 Apr 2012, 19:37
Considerably more than you can find in your library (http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_89000_fs001r)...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 18 Apr 2012, 00:32
That just reminded me how much I wish the British Library was my library. Darn you.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 18 Apr 2012, 01:03
I dare say the Bodleian (http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/news/bodleian-and-the-vatican-libraries/) would do, though.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Apr 2012, 09:34
After the picture thread, I'd really like to see someone at a ren faire with a digitized manuscript on their kindle  :-P :lol:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 22 Apr 2012, 05:29
Probably?

I've never had to go to the library on campus. I have the internet, that has pretty much everything I could ever find in a library but faster.

I used to think like this - Google Books was a life saver in my first year. However, I actually like going to the library and some of the books there are impossible to find on the internet (ie - A Reader's Guide to TS Eliot or a whole book on "Hugh Selwyn Mauberley" - its amazing to find books on Pound's specific poems that aren't the Cantos)

Although, Cambridge Collections Online and JSTOR are amazing too. Use them literally every essay I ever write.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 22 Apr 2012, 12:39
See, I don't really need books all that much. I'm majoring in math. If I want practice I can just google up some math problems. I think after this semester I won't have to take another english class or write any more essays hopefully.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 22 Apr 2012, 15:16
 :lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, Jace, you have no idea...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 22 Apr 2012, 16:08
Its cool, if I get tired of school just gonna stop going and go live in a forest for the rest of my life.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 22 Apr 2012, 16:11
legitimately this first year actually makes me not want to go back next year but I don't have a job that can afford to pay off my debt and have enough to live so I'm just gonna keep on going and doing pretty poorly.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 22 Apr 2012, 18:52
Granted I only took one math class in my entire career of college (it was all that was needed), but I never wrote an essay for math. I also never wrote any essays for science. It was everything else that required essays. Honestly I have no idea what math majors do other than solve math problems.

This post is pretty much completely useless.

I guess in college related news, I am a horrible student - lazy, procrastinate like crazy - but I do somehow manage to not fail at everything, even though I feel like I should. I am working on my thesis and I don't have 50 sources (I have around 40) and I don't even know what I want to say anymore. Well, I know what I want to say, but I don't know how to say it with words. I can say it with my art. I put a lot of research into it and want to do well, but UGH.

I hate writing so much. Freaking education side of this degree.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Apr 2012, 01:41
I am hoping that I have just started a new routine that will help me to work - getting up at the crack of dawn (6.30) to go to morning prayer at a local church. I got back at twenty to eight this morning, which meant that I was ready to work by ten to eight and I've already done an hour and a half. Now having a half hour break to catch up on emails and internetting, and eat biscuits since breakfast was so early.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 23 Apr 2012, 04:49
I just handed in my dissertation! Aaaagh help me / help the world that will soon have me unleashed upon it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Apr 2012, 10:56
Congrats!

I just saw my exam timetable (not sure if we're meant to have seen it yet, there's a link circulating to a comprehensive whole-uni timetable that looks like it's been dug out of the admin database, but it's legit) and my exams aren't too bad. Two together on the 29th and 30th of May, then three in a row 5th-7th June. I knew the bulk of them would be at the start of June but I was worried that I'd have one on its own on the 13th, which is the last day of term and therefore I'd miss out on doing anything fun that week. Now I have over a week off! Problem: my first exam is in just over a month. Eek.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 23 Apr 2012, 14:16
The university, in its infinite wisdom and kindness, scheduled final exams for all four of the courses I teach on the same day.  Different times (thank god), but that is going to be one long fucking day. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 23 Apr 2012, 14:24
Think positive.  That's three spare days you'll get.

(That you can do the marking on...)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 23 Apr 2012, 14:32
I think that's the clearest reason I've ever seen that you're a moderator.   :-D
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Apr 2012, 18:43
When I was in college, professors would often give their exams on the last day of classes, and make the actual exam day studying time for other exams.  Have you considered doing that for two of your classes?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 23 Apr 2012, 21:45
This would always happen to me with all of my classes, making school just end early, but me have to do all my studying in less time. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 24 Apr 2012, 08:37
Almost all of the classes related to my major did that. It's actually kind of annoying. Everyone always has big projects due the last week of class and on top of that, you have to take an exam. Sometimes you really just need to have things during exam week. But like the end of classes in the winter for me, I only had one actual class and we didn't have to meet during exam week, so I got a two week spring break, which was awesome and sorely needed. But this quarter, I need the extra week, but I don't get it. Ffff.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 25 Apr 2012, 01:26
Did I tell you I got my exam timetable? Actually it's an unofficial copy circulating on the internet but it is legit, they just haven't printed the paper copies yet. My first exam is on May 29th. That seems really close. Oh dear.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: IDMG on 25 Apr 2012, 01:36
Everytime I talk to an academic advisor at this godforsaken school, it makes me want to *tasteless reference to school shooting of some kind*.

They're so fucking stupid
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 25 Apr 2012, 03:23
You gotta remember that, like the advisors in the Job Centre, academic advisors are generally working in that role because they couldn't get a better job. Why are you talking to them? I understand if it's a requirement, in which case take what they say with a pinch of salt, but if you're looking for advice on a particular career path I find Mr. Google is generally much more helpful.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Apr 2012, 08:38
Hmm...maybe I should try to become an academic adviser. I'd do a better job than the actual ones, and it'd probably give me more job satisfaction than what I do now. How does one do that?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 25 Apr 2012, 12:14
Unfortunately, most schools use faculty. 

It's cheaper than getting actual advisors. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 25 Apr 2012, 23:11
Which is why I couldn't even meet with my adviser last semester because she left the school by the time I was arriving to it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Apr 2012, 01:30
Dear publisher of the book I am reading for Criminology,

If you are going to put the book onto googlebooks, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT MISS OUT TWO PAGES IN THE MIDDLE! Seriously. If I had known you would just not include pages 195 and 196, I might have tried to find a hard copy. Now I just have to try and guess what those pages might say. Argh.

BTW, it is not a "preview" if there are only two pages missing. It is a book with two pages missing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: IDMG on 26 Apr 2012, 01:39
You gotta remember that, like the advisors in the Job Centre, academic advisors are generally working in that role because they couldn't get a better job. Why are you talking to them? I understand if it's a requirement, in which case take what they say with a pinch of salt, but if you're looking for advice on a particular career path I find Mr. Google is generally much more helpful.

Was trying to figure out how to switch majors and let's just say UNLV's website designers are worse than their advisors.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 26 Apr 2012, 02:40
Dear publisher of the book I am reading for Criminology,

If you are going to put the book onto googlebooks, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT MISS OUT TWO PAGES IN THE MIDDLE! Seriously. If I had known you would just not include pages 195 and 196, I might have tried to find a hard copy. Now I just have to try and guess what those pages might say. Argh.

BTW, it is not a "preview" if there are only two pages missing. It is a book with two pages missing.

I do find this annoying, there are so many books that I've started to read sections of only to have vital pages missing - I suppose its something to do with copyright or how they were initially uploaded. I never think it's the author's fault, but that of the whole GBook app itself.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 26 Apr 2012, 05:28
Do you mean at the same time, or just ever? Because this isn't a collaborative book or anything, it's what I was informed was a free e-book version of a textbook on prisons. I don't think I can be amongst the first three people to have ever read all but those two pages.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 27 Apr 2012, 11:56
Which is why I couldn't even meet with my adviser last semester because she left the school by the time I was arriving to it.

They usually assign you to a new advisor when those things happen. 

I often wonder what happened to some of my former advisees...

Check with the Math department office. 

Watch it turn out that you were supposed to be one of my advisees when I got fired.   :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 27 Apr 2012, 12:42
hahaha, did you work in Buffalo in the past year? This is only my first year of school. I took some time off between high school and uni.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 28 Apr 2012, 14:35
Wait, you're SCA in Buffalo?  I never put the two together...

I'm one of the founding members of the Canton of Beau Fleuve back in '78, under the protection (?) of the Barony of Rhydderich Hael.  Went to high school at Canisius then SUNY Buffalo for a year before leaving for the midwest (for the next 15 years...)

Lord, I wonder if anyone's still there from those days...

Brother Martin, at your service.  If Morgan's still the baroness, ask about the chainmail hauberk I made for her. 

And no, haven't been back to Bflo in over 20 years. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 28 Apr 2012, 15:49
Well, I am going to be up in the Canton of Beau Fleuve in June for their annual museum event day thing. I know there's one older guy in the Hael, Sir Calidus, but everyone else is in their mid 30s or younger. The only other one would be Aleister of Rome, but I'm not sure when he moved to the Buffalo area.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 30 Apr 2012, 01:41
Our class is going to have an exhibition in a local place of all our work. Was meant to be the 11th of May but our tutor doesn't think we'll reach the deadline. She's right for the most part.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Apr 2012, 05:50
North American people, please explain to me the point of a class ring.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 30 Apr 2012, 06:21
To be honest, some of us don't even know the point of it.  :-P


I guess it's for "commemorating" your school experience. You put fancy little emblems on it to signify the activities you were in and/or stuff you like. Some people wear theirs, others let them sit and collect dust. I thought the ones offered by my school(s) were ugly and knew they would just fall into the latter category so I never bought one.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 30 Apr 2012, 07:04
Re: mentees that refused to keep in contact with you, leaving you as a mentor to do nothing

Girl I used to mentor (we're both English Lit students) had this Facebook status:

"getting really sick of this lecturer making up words about moby dick now, if anyone knows what irradiate, expatiate or the settalogical chapters are please enlighten me :("

"metaphysical is another... thanks for the help but i think im screwed haha!!! xxx"

Part of me feels I failed her, part of me believes that she'd definitely make it on to Literally Unbelievable (http://literallyunbelievable.org/) tumblr.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 30 Apr 2012, 07:05
Based on her further updates, this is what she gets for listening to lectures online instead of going to them in person.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Apr 2012, 08:04
I don't know what half those words mean either. But I don't believe I'd complain about it on facebook - I'd look them up in a dictionary! Why would going to the lectures in person help her understand? When ours are put online, they're just recordings of what the lecturer said anyway - but they only get recorded if they've been rescheduled to an unusual time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 30 Apr 2012, 09:01
While the words themselves are difficult, "metaphysical" is definitely not a word that you just stumble across at the end of your second year of an English Lit degree. If she didn't understand them when she was sitting in the lecture hall, she could have spoken to the lecturer in person and asked them questions - lecturers are usually friendly and more than happy to talk about their interests. If she's just listening to recordings of them online (which could be a few years old) then she has no right to complain.

But my main point was that this is what happens when you sign yourself up for the mentor programme and ignore your mentor. While I'd be happy to help, she calls out for Facebook instead of emailing her me (should probably mention I'm a Course Representative too, I know my course!)

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Omega Entity on 30 Apr 2012, 09:13
What's the point in complaining about what a word means when it's so easy to get a definition? I mean, she has access to Facebook, right? It's not that hard to type 'dictionary.com' into a web browser.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 30 Apr 2012, 09:20
"define x" in google search will give you a ton of definitions for whatever you entered for x. If it's a word a lot of people wonder about, you don't even have to write "define".

wait wait wait - what does exposing things to radiation have to do with Moby Dick? :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 30 Apr 2012, 09:27
The point of the post was not about getting help as much as sharing her bloo bloo predicament when friends who will hopefully give her"you go girl" reassurance that these words are outrageously hard and it is not all her fault that she is failing.   I think those sorts of posts are a full third of my stream once you remove sponsored content.  They are counter productive to solving real problems, but she is far from being alone in doing it. 

The real judgement I have is why are you on a list that could see that post?  Girl needs to learn to manage her social network. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Apr 2012, 09:57
North American people, please explain to me the point of a class ring.
I had some extra money from my stupid campus job so I bought one a few years ago, back when I didn't realize that saving money was a good thing. It's sat in my closet for about 3 years, I'll never wear that stupid thing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 30 Apr 2012, 10:00
wait wait wait - what does exposing things to radiation have to do with Moby Dick? :psyduck:
It might be a synonym for 'illuminate' but otherwise Google is useless here.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 30 Apr 2012, 10:14
Did anyone wonder about "settalogical" or do I have to read Moby Dick to find out? Define in Google doesn't come up with anything useful.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Apr 2012, 10:23
I haven't read Moby Dick, but maybe the whale was particularly big because he'd been exposed to radiation.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 30 Apr 2012, 10:31
If she's listening to recorded lectures, maybe she's mishearing the lecturer because she doesn't know the words he's actually using? A quick visit to the Google-machine says there is quite a lot of scatological humor in Moby Dick.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Cie on 30 Apr 2012, 14:44
Going to university this autumn - doing English Lit. Anyone got any vital pearls of wisdom they can share?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ummmkay on 30 Apr 2012, 15:09
North American people, please explain to me the point of a class ring.

like someone else up there said, i think it's meant to commemorate the experience (note that i am talking about college/university, not high school. i never got a high school ring). i LOVE my school ring because i love the school i graduated from, and the years i spent there. our ring design is also very distinctive, so i frequently (in the 2 years since i graduated and moved a couple hours away) have had people notice it and say, "oh, you went to ____? me too/i know someone who did/isn't it awesome?"

tl;dr if you don't care about the school you went to, it probably won't matter to you and would be a waste of money.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 30 Apr 2012, 19:46
I have a high school class ring and honestly I don't really know why, my high school sucks. (Like to the point I'm beginning to think it'll be closed in a few years due to how NCLB works.) I won't be getting one for my university. Even though I love my program, but...meh. I'll have a hood (https://www.google.com/search?q=masters+degree+hood&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Xk6fT8SkDKmG6QHfuoW-Ag&ved=0CGcQsAQ&biw=1099&bih=683#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=master%27s+degree+hood&oq=master%27s+degree+hood&aq=f&aqi=g1g-S2&aql=&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24l2.7759.7759.3.8223.1.1.0.0.0.0.54.54.1.1.0...0.0.aHZxgTmnPTA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1867a346fa5a06af&biw=1099&bih=683), that's all I care about.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 01 May 2012, 02:00
I do understand the idea of having something that shows where you went to uni, but those things are hideous! Why can't they make pretty ones? They look enormous in photos. I guess I would prefer a little badge or something.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 01 May 2012, 02:56
"getting really sick of this lecturer making up words about moby dick now, if anyone knows what irradiate, expatiate or the settalogical chapters are please enlighten me :("
"metaphysical is another... thanks for the help but i think im screwed haha!!! xxx"
How old is this person, and has she actually read Moby Dick? Irradiate, expatiate, and metaphysical are all in the dictionary, and how can anyone read the book and not know that cetological means "pertaining to the study of whales"? And that word is in the dictionary too.
Wait... Did someone say she was at university?  :psyduck:

North American people, please explain to me the point of a class ring.
To provide employment for jewellers whose designs are so hideous (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1121&bih=1041&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=class+rings&oq=class+rings&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.4813.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0.0kT7v9wymy0) that even the local pimps won't buy them?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 01 May 2012, 03:48
She is only the year below me. She's between 19-21 I think. Old enough to know that the dictionary holds certain words. And no, she probably hasn't read Moby Dick, even though it is a set text and it was on the course between September and December 2011.

English Literature is quite funny in the fact that a lot of people rely on SparkNotes and Wikipedia plot summaries, even though we're graded on papers, exams and our participation in seminars based upon our knowledge of these texts. Some people think that you can just bullshit your way through Literature cos its just books, man.

When I did that course (Early American Literature), the teacher was even pretty cool and offered a "cheaters guide" to the novel that cuts out a lot of unnecessary chapters.

This might be the answer:

"ive refused to read it haha, just picking chapters and random and watched the film. Even the lecturer said that reading certain parts made him suicidal so i think its a major no go!!!"

Sorry to clog this thread up with inane Facebook shit, but this is exactly why we have a mentoring system, to try our best to encourage students to you know, enjoy reading and respond to the text. Rather than just watch the film. A refusal to read seems a completely backwards attitude to take towards English Lit. Just read all the set texts, you only have do talk about 3 in the exam! (AND they can be texts you've already written on for your coursework assignments, its not exactly difficult)

Going to university this autumn - doing English Lit. Anyone got any vital pearls of wisdom they can share?

please for the love of God, do none of the above
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 01 May 2012, 04:18
and how can anyone read the book and not know that cetological means "pertaining to the study of whales"? And that word is in the dictionary too.
I thought settalogical sounded familiar!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ummmkay on 01 May 2012, 04:37
North American people, please explain to me the point of a class ring.
To provide employment for jewellers whose designs are so hideous (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1121&bih=1041&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=class+rings&oq=class+rings&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.4813.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0.0kT7v9wymy0) that even the local pimps won't buy them?

well...that's true. i didn't think about it because my school ring (at least the styles for ladies) isn't the traditional style. barmymoo, if you think the ring is ugly, you probably aren't going to want to wear it anyway.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 01 May 2012, 06:09
North American people, please explain to me the point of a class ring.
To provide employment for jewellers whose designs are so hideous (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1121&bih=1041&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=class+rings&oq=class+rings&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.4813.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0.0kT7v9wymy0) that even the local pimps won't buy them?

well...that's true. i didn't think about it because my school ring (at least the styles for ladies) isn't the traditional style. barmymoo, if you think the ring is ugly, you probably aren't going to want to wear it anyway.

I'm curious....what does your ring look like? I loved the schools I went to, but the rings just seemed like such a waste of money. (Also noteworthy is the fact that the first 2 schools I went to used Jostens (http://www.jostens.com) and when I graduated, they had a hideous selection.) By the time I finally got my degree last year, I just didn't care enough about a ring. I had my fancy piece of paper and my tassel and that was enough for me. I will say that there are definitely better looking ones out there now than there used to be!

A refusal to read seems a completely backwards attitude to take towards University.

fyp.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 01 May 2012, 07:48
Ugh. The supervisor who was on sabbatical last term and had turned us over to another supervisor, who had a totally different supervision time and a different group in a different place, has come back and rearranged our last substantive supervision of the year for tomorrow afternoon. Problem: I had already got a supervision tomorrow afternoon. I had one today too. And one yesterday. We're meant to do at least 20 hours of reading for each one. I tend to feel that I need to do at least five to feel I have even the barest idea what I'm talking about. She has also set us a timed exam question and another exam answer to prepare before the supervision. I have evensong tonight. I have to give blood tomorrow morning. I JUST DO NOT HAVE TIME WHY THE HELL DID IT HAVE TO BE TOMORROW?! Exams aren't for another month, we could have put the supervision off for two days and no one would have died but nooooo we have to do all the work at the same time and then have four weeks with no structure at all supposedly for revision but in fact for catching up on the sleep I can't get this week argh.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 01 May 2012, 08:51
I do understand the idea of having something that shows where you went to uni, but those things are hideous! Why can't they make pretty ones? They look enormous in photos. I guess I would prefer a little badge or something.

The typical ones, especially for men, are huge and ugly. Mine is smaller and not a traditional shape, but I still don't wear it because, well, there is really no point and I hate wearing rings. Whatever. I have a baton and a pin that I earned for being in orchestra and choir respectively for all 4 years of high school and I have more of an attachment to those than I ever did to that ring.

Anywho, in college news, I have asked a 4th (and hopefully) final professor to be on my thesis committee and this time I think she'll actually stick around. We have to have 2 committee members to sign off on our thesis and considering this is the 6th week of school and I need to finish this project in 4 weeks, I was starting to really freak out. But at least I have class with this person, so she can't hide. :D (Also you know, she's pretty honest about things, so I know she would have said no if she'd been too busy...unlike the other two who were apparently too afraid to answer an email with a negative.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 01 May 2012, 08:56
On a more positive note than my stress over the amount of work I have to do (and yes I realise I should be doing it... I need to take regular five-minute breaks or my brain explodes over international law), I have started planning for my dissertation which I'll write next year, and I've decided to tie my trip to the US this summer into research for that. All I have to do at this stage is get the paperwork signed off for applying to funding, which just involves convincing my director of studies and my personal tutor that the trip is worthy of funding. The DoS has already expressed her enthusiasm towards the academic aspect of the trip, and she'll be signing it tomorrow, and I'll see my tutor next week to get the choir-tour part signed off as worthwhile to be funded. I've asked for £1000 which I will no way get, but hopefully the fact that I'll need to spend at least that much will encourage them to give me something. I did get about that much as a scholarship earlier this year due to being homeless for the vacation, so even if they decide not to give me anything I technically have it covered - although that money will be very handy for actually affording life next year without having to give up visiting my family and eating.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 01 May 2012, 13:43
Failing 2 classes. Passing 2 classes. Gonna try and take 3 math courses next semester but might have to settle for 2.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 01 May 2012, 13:49
Hey just wondering for future reference, but what are the specific steps for getting your phd/masters/doctorate? I am sorry if I am confusing terms. There is just s much I need to learn about higher learning!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 May 2012, 17:09
You don't have one already? Are you saying your username is a lie? (Sorry, had to)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ummmkay on 01 May 2012, 17:18
@ lepetitfromage: not a great picture, but here:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/i_so_rule/rings.jpg)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 01 May 2012, 20:07
I do have a phd. It is in kicking ass.
Actually it's being a neurotic ball of crazy, but don't tell the ladies back at the bar abut that.

All kidding aside, I chose that name because I seriosly want to become a ridiculous supervillain
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 01 May 2012, 20:33
Find out what you want the degree in. Apply to a university with said degree. Get accepted. Pick a research topic*. RESEARCH. Turn research in. Graduate. Repeat if you want a PhD.

*Actually, this should probably be the first step...but for me it was my third. OH WELL.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 01 May 2012, 22:30
Get a Ph.D in Horribleness.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 02 May 2012, 08:25
Do you have an undergrad degree yet?  For me, the work I did as an undergrad helped me choose what I wanted to do for grad school.  That is, my graduate degree is in a different field. 

I was a lit major in undergrad but, I didn't think a graduate degree in English was the best for me.  A combination of the years of study involved and the competitiveness of the programs/job market relative to my age and lack of financial resources. But, through the classes I took, I found I was really interested in the ways that shifts in technology changed how we stored and shared information.  I focused on that interest when looking at graduate programs and I am now at the University of Michigan's School of Information getting a master's degree, and I love it.

As far as the actual process? Get good grades, but also join a club or something.  Talk to professors you like about your interests (I am reeeeaaally bad at this) because you are going to need some of them to write you letters of recommendation, and to do that they need to know who you are.  Look at a lot of programs to figure out what appeals to you.  Start you applications early.  And, here is some learn from the mistakes of others, for the love of god re-read your application essay and make sure that you have named the correct institution in your conclusion.   The only school I didn't get into, I reread the essay I wrote 3 months later and it concluded with a statement about how much I wanted to attend.... a different university :/   Welp, at least I know why I didn't get in, yeah?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 02 May 2012, 12:49
 I have not gotten my undergrad yet, so I am just doing this as forseeing years in the future. Though right now I am on the path to something in microbiology, maybe the metabolisms of of Archea.

I don't think I'll change my major. I could only see myself do that for something in international relations.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 09 May 2012, 06:20
My exams start three weeks yesterday. I'm feeling fairly confident for one of them. For the other four, I feel like I know almost nothing properly and nothing at all for some.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 10 May 2012, 02:06
My posts in this thread recently are all me panicking that I'm almost done. My last ever essays are due in on Monday, and then there is literally nothing left for me to do, except wait for graduation. Yelp!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 10 May 2012, 06:57
Done giving finals. 


Now for the grading. 




And turning in my keys.  I wish I had a real job.  You know, something that paid over the summer. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 10 May 2012, 08:27
I'm approaching the end of hour six of revision today (just downloading an examiner's report from the past paper I'm doing to see how much I've missed in this answer). It's going pretty well actually, although the panic at how much there is to do is never far from surfacing. Thankfully I've got through more than I expected, and two more hours of work are scheduled for later.


Huh. Great. The examiner's report includes precisely four sentences on this question, all of which are no help. I miss the days of A level reports which outlined exactly what the correct answer would have included.

Hehe but it does, later in the report, include the stellar advice that:

Quote
First, poor handwriting is not calculated to endear you to an examiner.  It is irritating to discover after many pages that the exciting new case of Lanyo v Nevada is actually Congo v Rwanda.  Secondly, text message spelling is utterly unacceptable, whatever the newspapers may say about other universities.  It is also, for this mobile phoneless examiner, unintelligible.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 10 May 2012, 13:21
I think if I ever read any college level writing and it included text messaging lingo, I would autofail it. Or at least refuse to grade it until it had proper spelling.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 10 May 2012, 13:52
And turning in my keys.  I wish I had a real job.  You know, something that paid over the summer.
Do any universities have the option of spreading salary out over the year? My memory of my wife's salary as a Detroit school teacher is that she didn't have that option, although many districts do.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 10 May 2012, 17:08
Not this one, if you're a "temporary" (i.e., non tenure track) employee.  Even if you're full time and are expected to return in the fall. 

Now, I could deposit my pays and squirrel away 12% of each check, meting it out over the summer, but the problem is that I don't get paid enough to keep up with expenses as it is. 

Oh yeah, and since I expect to be re-emplyed in the fall, I'm not allowed to collect unemployment over the summer.  It's in the contract. 

It's times like this that I know I'm a massive failure.  Whoops, wrong thread again! 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 10 May 2012, 17:16
The university/college thread doesn't seem to be immune to depressing observations.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 11 May 2012, 02:59
I find it peculiar that you don't work over the summer, Carl. I was under the impression that it was normal for university teaching staff to work over the summer, actually working in their field, rather than teaching it?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 11 May 2012, 03:58
But not necessarily getting paid...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 11 May 2012, 04:35
If I had a regular (tenured or tenure track) posistion, I would get paid through the summer, and would have the luxury of either teaching summer class or doing some research, rather than scrabbling for money by trying to find part time work over the summer. 

It reminds me of when I was in high school in Buffalo, and met one of my teachers manning a toll booth on the Peace Bridge during a beer run trip to Canada.  He didn't get summer pay, either (I went to a non-union private high school). 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 11 May 2012, 08:38
I weep for my peers. The Facebook group revision pages for my upcoming exams are dire. Its as if people haven't done exams before. "What time do we need to be there? How long do we spend on each [of the two] questions? How many quotes do we use?"

People cannot actually get in contact with their teachers about this, or God forbid, part of the university website that is specifically there for exams, or the hand-outs our teachers gave us last term, or the many emails we've had in the last month - perhaps the dominance of Google has actually omitted any kind of resourcefulness that tens of soon-to-be-graduates should exemplify.

Its not as if we did similar exams last year...oh wait.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 11 May 2012, 09:12
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. 

Students are universal. 


On a lighter note; I went back and visited the university that let me go two years ago when my daughter got ill.  She has friends who attend there, and I wanted to see some of my old colleagues.  It was one of the best jobs I ever had - tenure track, good pay, and everyone - including the students - appreciated what I did. 

On my old office door, which is now shared by two temps, were all my old cartoons and such, including my Wizard of Oz quote;

Quote
Back where I come from, we have universities, seats of great learning, where men go to become great thinkers. And when they come out, they think deep thoughts - and with no more brains than you have!

But they have one thing you haven't got...

...a diploma.

(it's actually meant to be inspirational.  People get offended by it, though)

Also, on one of the XKCD cartoons I had posted (this one)

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png)

Someone wrote over the top of the mathematician, "In memory of Dr. Carl"


Guys, I wept. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jmucchiello on 11 May 2012, 10:10
Oh yeah, and since I expect to be re-emplyed in the fall, I'm not allowed to collect unemployment over the summer.  It's in the contract.
Is that legal? There are plenty of jobs where there's a shutdown period (two weeks around New Years and/or two weeks in July) where people who know they will be working again in two weeks collect unemployment. I'd be curious if there were any law forbidding such a contract clause. (Of course, they'd just can you if you rock the boat. I'm just curious about the legality of it in the abstract.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 May 2012, 10:21
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png)
A philosophy professor of mine used that on the first day of class. Not surprisingly, he said that philosophy was quite a bit to the right* of the comic.

*That's literal direction, not political.


Oh, and I forget if I mentioned last year that I dropped out of grad school during student teaching, but I decided to go back and student teach again if they'll let me just to get the Masters (I still don't intend to teach, but if I finish it'll feel like less of a waste of money and I can use the degree for other things).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 11 May 2012, 15:19
Having those letters after your ame can make a difference! 


And I'm sorry, but Philosophy, as pure conjecture that's unprovable, is considerably further to the left... ever since mathematics left philosophy during the renaissance, it pretty much got reduced to navel-gazing. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 11 May 2012, 20:52
Question: Is it possible to have too many letters after your name?

In a Peace Corps family planning project in Bombay, we called occasionally on bureaucrats. On a few occasions, the name on their desk would read something like:

Rajiv Patel
B.A. (failed)

Answer: Maybe not.

Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 11 May 2012, 20:58
I'll get three new letters! (My masters is an MAT, assuming I actually go for it)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 11 May 2012, 21:03
I got seven...

Bull Shit,
More Shit,
Piled High and Deep. 

I may leave a few off when I apply at Wal-Mart. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 12 May 2012, 02:24
Damn Carl. I want to laugh and cry at that!

My Dad now has ICE after his name, always makes me want to say "Ice to see you" and all those other terrible Mr Freeze puns from Batman and Robin.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 May 2012, 02:39
If I do go onto midwifery after this degree, I'll have acquired three degrees, one professional registration and one professional exemption in seven years. I find that rather ridiculous.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 14 May 2012, 07:39
Someone wrote over the top of the mathematician, "In memory of Dr. Carl"


Guys, I wept. 
Awww, that's so sweet. I totally would have too.

On a less serious note-
Bull Shit degree holder over here too!

....seriously....I'm sure they could have come up with a better acronym than that. Cruel jerks.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: celticgeek on 14 May 2012, 08:08
Bull Shit, More Shit, 2nd Bull Shit here.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 14 May 2012, 08:12
The only B.S. degree you can get in the art school part of my university is in design. Designers, who make money while in school due to co-ops. Hmph. I don't get any shits.

I guess a BFA could be a Bachelors of Fucking Arts, but that just sounds so wrong. And I don't even know what an MAAE could stand for.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 14 May 2012, 08:40
In Oxford the Bachelor of Science degree is called BSc, not BS; it is also a post-graduate degree (and is no longer awarded).  The first degree in science (like my engineering degree) at Oxford has been a BA up until recently; but now many science courses lead to a Master's as the first degree (e.g. MEng, MPhys, MChem, MCompSci, MMathCompSci - not that abbreviated, really!) - but holders of these degrees wear the BA style of academic dress.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Blue Kitty on 14 May 2012, 09:15
I turned in the last few parts I needed to complete my application. I'm so excited, even if I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna get in this year.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 May 2012, 12:54
The Cambridge system is basically the same as the Oxford one, I think. There's also the same system for converting your BA into an MA seven years after you matriculate (usually four years after you graduate, although three if like me you took a year out in the middle) for no reason whatsoever.

I think my personal degree will be a Bloody Aimless in law.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 14 May 2012, 13:54
I imagine that Cambridge is also like Oxford in that you do not have your degree until it has been conferred on you at a degree ceremony.  I have not been to a degree ceremony, so throughout my life I have meticulously put on job applications "Second-class honours in Engineering Science" rather than "BA in Engineering Science".  Note that a second in my day was what's now called a 2.1 - what's now called a third was a fourth at that time in Oxford!

I do not plan to go to a degree ceremony to collect my BA when I'm 75 or something.  That sort of thing is for people who like to see themselves in the local paper, and is unutterably naff.   I was even able to become a member of Congregation (the greater governing body of the university) without such niceties.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 14 May 2012, 14:28
After writing for three hours this morning on T.S Eliot, Ezra Pound, James Joyce and Virginia Woolf, my undergraduate degree is officially finished!

Its been a bit of an anticlimactic day, but I can't wait for the future times where I don't have to study!

Now, I have to make a cover letter sound perfect in order to try and get a job at a legal publishers in Cambridge...out of the frying pan, almost.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 May 2012, 14:36
Really, Paul? I didn't know that! I'm not sure whether it's the case here or not, I believe they can "confer" your degree by post but you don't get to do the weird latin stuff and the finger-pulling. I do plan on going to my graduation, but there's a chance I might be living in the US by then. Who knows?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 14 May 2012, 14:57
Oxford degree ceremonies are held every two months throughout the year*; so you just arrange to go to the first convenient one.   The fee was in my day covered by the grant if you went within a year, but now I'd have to pay up.

* It keeps a regular supply of ceremonial going for the tourists!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 14 May 2012, 14:58
Why didn't you go when you graduated?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 14 May 2012, 17:52
my undergraduate degree is officially finished!

Congrats!  :-D
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 14 May 2012, 23:35
Why didn't you go when you graduated?

Precisely because there was no specific date (and my family had no interest in the ceremonial, either).  I already had my first job offer, before I sat finals, and I already had a short-term job to take me up to the start date (which was the following January, to fit with internal training courses), and holidays to have, and romance to pursue, and in short I was too busy as well as too lazy to think it mattered or do anything about it.  So I never got round to it, and it didn't matter.

Granted, times were different, and it was a more trusting world.  The temporary job asked for my certificate, I said that I didn't have one yet, and no more was said about it.  That was the first and last time it's come up.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 May 2012, 00:05
Ah, in that case it's definitely different. Graduate degree ceremonies seem to be about every two months, but undergraduates all graduate together over the weekend closest to the end of June/beginning of July. Your college has a set date and time, and everyone processes together. Sort of a final shindig before leaving.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 15 May 2012, 00:07
Actually, I do recall going to my son's do in Cambridge.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 May 2012, 03:06
Ugh. I found out yesterday that I have a revision supervision at 1.30 today (I realise I did know this in theory, but I hadn't written it in my diary when we were told about it over a month ago, so I forgot entirely) and that we're expected to have prepared a full exam paper under exam conditions.

The exam is not for over three weeks, and I haven't done any revision for it yet because it's the last of five. So I can either go to the supervision prepared, or I can do the paper under exam conditions which would basically consist of me sitting for three hours twiddling my thumbs and occasionally writing things like "discretion? delegated powers?" next to the questions.

ARGH. PhD students as supervisors are generally really not very good. It is so frustrating when they have a rigid view of how we should learn, and refuse to accept that we might have already figured out a different, more successful method. This is not the supervisor who was all "ESSAYS MUST HAVE HEADINGS OR THE WORLD WILL END!" (on that point - our real supervisor, who is on sabbatical, met up with us and said "don't bother with headings if you don't want, it's an American convention that doesn't exist here" so I was right about that) but apparently she has the same view. I think experience and time teaches them that there are many different and valid ways to revise.

In my view, attempting to write an exam more than three weeks before the real exam takes place is a total waste of time. Those three hours could be spent thoroughly learning and revising one of the topics on the paper, but then I would not be "fully prepared in order to discuss the questions as a group". I'm in a catch-22.

Tl;dr : my supervisor has set work in such a manner that I can either follow the instructions, or do it properly.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 15 May 2012, 08:20
I like headings. Only if because it helps give me a place to pause and figure out what the crap was just said or as a short guide as to where the paper is heading next. Unless they're before every single paragraph, then that just gets annoying.

Also they take up space! And when people seem to think it's a good idea to have a page minimum on papers (which is stupid), that can really help.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 May 2012, 09:00
We don't have page minimums, we have word counts, so they don't make a great deal of difference. Plus the word limit is usually 1,500. You do not need headings for that short an essay!

I mean, I've got no problem with them in theory. They just don't suit my writing style. Cambridge doesn't have a style guide for essays, so I've never ever had to use them before. It was really annoying to get back an essay with no feedback on the content but masses of ranting about headings and structure, especially when all my other (more experienced) supervisors are saying my structure is improving.

Anyway, rant over. I never have to write another essay for her.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 15 May 2012, 09:58
Cambridge doesn't have a style guide for essays

...what? They have their own historically praised and widely renowned University Press but no style guide for essays?

Man.

I've also had essays back when the teacher wrote three sentences on the cover sheet "I disagree with your argument - so it was pointless" and gave a pencil tick on page 3, that was it, after 2500 words...he got a very scathing review when that module was over.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 May 2012, 12:04
To be honest I don't think style guides are as big a thing in the UK as they seem to be elsewhere. Perhaps people who've been to other universities can correct me, though. Obviously we are meant to have a good structure with an introduction and a conclusion, but as long as it's coherent and legible we're free to write however we like. I think that's better really; it's stupid to get a higher grade because of your font size.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 15 May 2012, 12:19
Oh, THAT's what you mean by style. I thought you meant academic/literary style, not the ins and outs of the Chicago method or how some people still use Times New Roman even though Calibri is the new standard.

In that case, fair enough. Kent has a guide that suggests various ways that you can improve academic writing (or for freshers - how to write an academic essay).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 15 May 2012, 13:37
I am required to use Times New Roman because it is required by APA style. Even though half the time I forget because Word's default is Calibri. Stupid fonts.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 15 May 2012, 14:01
Can we all agree that MLA format is bullshit though?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 15 May 2012, 14:17
Well, so's APA.  I'm teaching "stat for psych" online for master's students in psychology.  The APA citation format's marginally more intuitive than MLA, but the rest is... just dumb. 

ESPECIALLY running headers. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 15 May 2012, 14:18
Confession College thread, I have never included a bibliography in any of my degree work.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 15 May 2012, 14:43
In undergrad, as a lit major professors were reasonably strict about using MLA for citations at least.  I have never had anyone stress about the finer style points though.  In grad school people are from so many backgrounds that we all do things differently, and none of my professors care.  As long as you are citing sources and your font is not crazy, they don't care.  It really only matters if you are publishing a work, and in that case you will need to reformat it based on the requirements of the journal anyways. 

One of my professors actually developed the software that became EndNote.  He says people always get nervous in his classes and stress about how to cite things because they think as the developer of a citation management tool he must be a stickler, but the reason he made the software is that he thought that all the formats were confusing and getting all the commas and periods right took too much time. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 15 May 2012, 15:05
Confession College thread, I have never included a bibliography in any of my degree work.

...That's just...not right. Unless you aren't citing anything?

I have gotten used to how to cite in APA. It's pretty natural for me now to just type out citations as I go. The only time it gets tricky for me is when I include images and have to cite the damn things. I hate citing images. I always say who the artist is, why is it important where I got it?

MLA is pretty similar to APA but just...stupider. Whatever. At least you don't have to do footnotes. I freaking hate footnotes. They always mess up the format of my paper. Running headers are easily ignorable and quite easy to put in, footnotes are ANNOYING.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 15 May 2012, 16:54
Barmymoo, weren't you studying law?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 15 May 2012, 20:18
...and so therefore, aren't you constantly citing cases / case histories? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 15 May 2012, 21:03
I am required to use Times New Roman because it is required by APA style. Even though half the time I forget because Word's default is Calibri. Stupid fonts.
Honestly, I've always changed my default to Times New Roman, 12 pt. (when I wasn't being a lazy undergrad and using Courier New). Was there any reason why Times New Roman size 12 was replaced not just by Calibri, but by 11 pt as the default font/size?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 15 May 2012, 22:45
I used to be able to cite the standard things from memory: book, poem, work in an edited collection, article from online database.  As I advanced I started using more weird sources: congressional hearing, part of a retail website, blogs, personal emails, letters in an archive, corporate earnings statements, a book that is a print of a microfilm of a PhD thesis...  I just use easy bib now, though sometimes I still can't find the right thing. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 15 May 2012, 23:52
getting all the commas and periods right took too much time.

Definitely time consuming, and one of my teachers gave an essay back saying that I needed to end every single footnote/reference with a full-stop/period. It didn't help that I have never done that in any of my previous essays for three years, plus the aforementioned student handbook doesn't say anything about ending footnotes with a period, as they usually end with a closed bracket. I think referencing films was kind of difficult, I never knew the country of release and just went with whatever IMDB threw at me.

I'm pretty sure Times New Roman has been the norm for about forever, and there are plenty of people out there who see it as a formal and now frankly dated font. Calibri seems more rounded and a bit easier on the eyes, but I've just rediscovered Veranda, so you know, exciting things happening in my world right now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 May 2012, 01:04
I am studying law, yes. I cite cases and articles all the time, but in the body of the essay, so for example I might write:

The requirements for a valid easement were set out in Re Elleborough Park (1956) and are ...

or maybe I'd write

Dicey (1926) believed that Parliament was absolutely sovereign, but...

None of the work I do during the year is graded (well it is, but only as a guideline for the exams) and we're not required to write bibliographies for exams. In fact I think if someone did waste their time doing that, the examiner's report would be highly scathing. When I write a dissertation next year I will have to provide a bibliography, because that's graded work that forms part of my final degree.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 16 May 2012, 02:27
(I like the idea of a forum finishing my sentences  :mrgreen:)

OK, that actually sounds pretty weird. At least over here you can get at least a 6-month suspension for not citing the entire source (to the level where it can be considered plagiarism). Full name of author, full title, edition, place and year of publication...

Out of interest, what are your examinations like? Not assuming anything, just wondering.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 16 May 2012, 05:16
Honestly, I've always changed my default to Times New Roman, 12 pt. (when I wasn't being a lazy undergrad and using Courier New). Was there any reason why Times New Roman size 12 was replaced not just by Calibri, but by 11 pt as the default font/size?

I don't remember 11pt becoming the new standard. But since the APA manual says 12 pt. TNR is the standard, that's the standard. When the next one is published and it changes fonts, I'll change fonts then. (Because really I don't give a crap what font I use so long as it's not one of the stupid ones, like Comic Sans or Papyrus.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 16 May 2012, 05:37
My go-to font is Palatino Linotype, 11pt. I just like the look of it. As long as we're not making the size huge, have obnoxious colours and the whole thing looks consistent, our tutors don't really care. It also adds to making things a little more interesting and shows some thought media-wise. Calibri looks so bland to me, which is probably why it's standard.

I just have my sources linked in the last page.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 16 May 2012, 05:46
I like Century Schoolbook, though it's too spaced out to be sensible for large amounts of text.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 16 May 2012, 06:36
I'm pretty sure Times New Roman has been the norm for about forever, and there are plenty of people out there who see it as a formal and now frankly dated font. Calibri seems more rounded and a bit easier on the eyes, but I've just rediscovered Veranda, so you know, exciting things happening in my world right now.
I don't think there's anything much wrong with TNR for any kind of even semi-formal writing. I don't think any lecturer at my uni ever cared about anything other than legibility in the font.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 May 2012, 06:48
(I like the idea of a forum finishing my sentences  :mrgreen:)

OK, that actually sounds pretty weird. At least over here you can get at least a 6-month suspension for not citing the entire source (to the level where it can be considered plagiarism). Full name of author, full title, edition, place and year of publication...

Out of interest, what are your examinations like? Not assuming anything, just wondering.

Our exams: we have 3 hours to answer four questions, for each of our subjects (I'm taking five papers so fifteen hours of exams in total, thankfully all on different days).

Because I'm studying law, the questions are split between being essay questions and being problem questions where we're given a fictional fact pattern and we have to identify the legal issues and relevant cases, and write an answer generally advising one of the people in the scenario on their legal options. So for example there might be a fact pattern about a couple who were married and one person legally owns the house, and the other puts money towards the mortgage, and the legal owner secretly gets another mortgage and lies about marital status, then obviously can't pay, and then runs off and etc etc. Those are hard!

Essay questions are often something like "This quote from a judgment/article about something makes a radical statement about a controversial area of law. Do you agree with it?" and then we have to explore the issue and mention the views of various commentators, plus the relevant legislation and case law, and come to a reasoned and supported conclusion.

Obviously you get higher marks for saying "Farrington D. (2006) conducted the Cambridge Study which looked at the risk factors for youth offending and found that..." rather than "the risk factors for youth offending are...". But since we're not allowed to take any kind of reference notes or anything at all except a totally un-annotated statute book (with the legislation but no commentary), they certainly don't expect us to cite all the publication details. That would be ridiculous, no one has that kind of memory - and it would be unfair to penalise people because they didn't learn the publisher!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 16 May 2012, 07:20
I think the term "standard" in reference to fonts is actually saying what the latest version of Word uses.  Which is now Calibri, 11 pt. 


I still prefer NTR 12 pt. and set it as my default. 




My cell phone also rings like it has a bell (http://xkcd.com/479/).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 16 May 2012, 07:46
I have a lot of fonts I like, but when it's for a paper, all I care about is legibility. For websites or designs or webpages, then I care a lot more.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 16 May 2012, 08:04
Same here. Whenever any professor assigned an essay, they'd always follow up with "Make sure you include a bibliography or you'll be doomed to an eternity in Hell expelled for plagiarism."

And....Calibri annoys the crap out of me. It was pounded into my skull that if you ever write ANYTHING that is supposed to be formal/professional it should be in TNR, 12 pt. I use that font more than any others, but if I'm feeling whimsical I'll use Centaur or Century Gothic. Most things are done in 12 pt, but everything is always in an even numbered size....I just can't help that one. (Unless I'm making handouts for my currently non-existent students- then all bets are off and I use the most ridiculous font I can find/whatever fits the lesson. They get a kick out of it.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 16 May 2012, 08:04
I got a mail from the master's programme I applied for. I had the impression I was only barely qualified but I'm getting an interview! That means my admission is a 'maybe' and I can still turn it into a 'yes'. So thrilled! The interview is in English, so I hope I can make myself intelligible. As you can probably tell, written English is no problem for me but my pronunciation is terrible, mostly because a lot of syllables often don't get past my foreign-language-impaired lips, and I'm not as quick in forming sentences as I am when I can take my time sitting behind a keyboard.

Still, yaaay!

On the topic of fonts: I remember a study that indicated that text written in unconventional, harder-to-read fonts are better remembered by people than texts written in Calibri. This can be useful when you have a lot of required reading in Word format; you change the font of the entire thing into something like Informal Roman, and see if you can remember it better afterwards. Never had the chance to try it, though.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 16 May 2012, 09:27
ooo ooo This is a thing I have studied.

Yes and no. 

Making things more difficult to process, by using a crazy font or colors or color coding a chart instead of labeling the lines or putting a lot of "chart junk" on them can increase retention because it forces the reader to interact with the material.  The more you interact with material the more likely you are to get it past your working memory and to actually encode it.  With charts it also helps people to make better conclusions about the data.  The downside is that since it requires more processing power it is more mentally draining.  If you wrote a 6 page paper in something scripty it is much less likely your reader would finish it.  It can be useful to highlight key passages though, suddenly changing the font to a more difficult one for a few words or sentences will slow the reader down at these points increasing retention (as well as making it clear that these bits of info are important).  It is a good way to introduce a key fact or definition or an important relationship but any deeper examination of the issue should still be easy to read. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 May 2012, 09:52
Kat, can you shed any light on why my administrative law textbook sends me into paroxysms of rage? (Other than content, that is.) The body of the text is written in some fairly standard serif font, like Times New Roman or something, but whenever they quote - usually very lengthy - extracts from other works or from case judgments, they use a really basic sans serif font with very thin rounded letters, and it drives me mad. I actually hardly ever bother to read those bits, which is really not good.

On the plagiarism thing, I'm intrigued. I think it must be to do with your approach to what you're doing. Here, the exams and essays are simply to test your understanding and retention of the material. We're not meant to be writing a new and ground-breaking article, we're meant to be demonstrating that we know what we're talking about and have thought about it. Obviously for dissertations we have to cite anything we reference, but do you seriously have to put the publisher, date, etc. every time you reference anything anyone else has ever said? For instance, if you say "Legal commentators such as TRS Allan believe that Parliament is not sovereign" you would have to find a reference for a published work which proves that TRS Allan believes that?

I can totally see why you're not allowed to write "I have come up with this new and clever argument all on my own and it's definitely not just lifted from a textbook by Gray and Gray hoooo no of course not", but I don't quite understand how you can have a bibliography for an essay that is mostly referencing cases (which the examiner will know backwards, being experts in the field) and occasionally the general views of an academic.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 16 May 2012, 10:49
To be fair, your case is a bit unusual - if you give the name of the case, it will presumably be very easy for someone to track it down and check you're not lying.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 16 May 2012, 11:10
There's also the fact that the people marking our exams are the lecturers who wrote the exam paper, so they know what answers they're expecting. They only get 20 minutes to mark each exam (which we spent 3 hours writing) so I doubt they actually do check any refernces, but they generally know when you're bullshitting or just plain wrong.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 May 2012, 05:07
Ugh NO I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER REVISION SUPERVISION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD I am so sick of these stupid extra classes! I don't find them useful at all, they break up my day and I might get 15 minutes worth of useful stuff out of them, but that doesn't justify the 2 hours they take away! I thought they were all done this week, but now one of the other girls has asked if we can have an extra one on Monday, and I can't say "sorry, I don't want to come" because a) it'd be rude and b) the supervisor would think I was just skiving. hd /lks jroi2qt5 ua'o9hjta ARGH
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 17 May 2012, 05:56
Well we are not expected to provide reference for written exams, only papers and essays. But we're expected to quote relevant cases with their full citation (which is not as difficult in Sweden as in England, since we only have one, central legal publisher of case law reports), even in exams. To mess up your sources, even for minor papers, however, is a baaaaaad offense.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 19 May 2012, 18:22
Guys... I am writing an "acknowledgments" part to my thesis right now. Can anyone give a good advice of saying "I would like to thank blah blah blah" without sounding really fucking corny and fake? The only thing I'm coming up with right now is "I am deeply grateful to..." which just sounds forced and stupid. I AM really grateful to the guy (my supervisor) and I want to let him know that. Hmm maybe posting this makes me even more fake and contrived...  :x
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 19 May 2012, 19:08
If "deeply grateful" is how you feel about the assistance, why not say that?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 19 May 2012, 19:26
Keep it simple.  Just say you're grateful for his assistance / patience / time / whatever, and leave it at that. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 20 May 2012, 02:09
Yeah... that's what I needed to hear. I always overthink stuff like this. Less is more, less is more, less is more..
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jwhouk on 20 May 2012, 13:27
Congrats to all who are graduating today or this weekend in the US. My alma mater is having its graduation ceremonies this weekend, as is UW-Madison.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 28 May 2012, 14:24
My first exam is tomorrow afternoon and I just realised that I haven't done any work since 11.30 this morning. Might need to put my laptop away for two days again.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 28 May 2012, 15:16
Got an email from my tutor rounding up what is needed from me. Says everything but two modules needed. Handy enough, those two are the ones I was filming for yesterday and the other I'll be 90% done with filming tomorrow. Nice to know I'm on sort of top of things.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 29 May 2012, 02:01
I have an exam this afternoon. I'm spending the morning intermittently cramming facts, eating biscuits and reading about the occupation of Guernsey during the war.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 30 May 2012, 00:57
Got another email from my tutor, starting with, "Sorry, this is actually what I need from you..." asking for basically every single task of every module we've done this year. Began freak out. Then finished email. It wasn't meant for me.

I have barely avoided the end of year freak out and little things like that aren't helping.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 May 2012, 04:37
Silly tutor should proof-read her emails  :roll:

Just did my second exam. It was the one that could either have gone really well, or really badly. I think it went really badly. Ah well. Off to a picnic now, and then to a pontifical high mass followed by supper (I am mostly going to find out what a pontifical is). Then hard to work tomorrow, I have 1.5 days for each of my remaining exams.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 30 May 2012, 06:15
One celebrated by a pontiff (bishop), of course.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 30 May 2012, 07:12
Just got my thesis defense done this morning and am now a bachelor of law and master of maritime law. Good going, me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 30 May 2012, 07:26
A lawyer who's also a boxer is definitely not one to be trifle with. 


Congratulations!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 May 2012, 09:20
Anytime I hear maritime law I think of Arrested Development.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: idontunderstand on 30 May 2012, 12:18
That's not what it makes me think of, but I'd rather not say what it makes me think of.... because that would be really, really boring.

And thank ye!  :-D
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 30 May 2012, 17:16
Who's got 2 thumbs and got a D- in english instead of an F?
This guy. This guy right here. Also didn't show up to the last couple classes or do the final paper
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 30 May 2012, 17:33
It hurts just to read that. Brings up a memory of my worst semester like it was yesterday.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 30 May 2012, 17:46
Redball, I think he's proud.  Don't spoil it for him! 


Although it reminds me of my freshman English class and the best paper I ever wrote.  We were assigned to do a two page analysis of a Robert Frost poem of our choice.  I wrote five pages on the futility of analyzing poetry.  It was a thing of beauty, Lucid, clear, well though out, and I even illustrated my points with poems by Frost, Dickinson, and (IIRC) Ogden Nash. 


The professor was a poet. 



Best D minus I ever got. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 30 May 2012, 18:57
I thought I was gonna fail and instead I got a D-, hell yeah I'm proud.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 30 May 2012, 19:05
It was the semester I got 4 E's and a D. I think I skipped more than one final. Maybe 4. So I guess it's not quite like yesterday if I don't quite remember.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 31 May 2012, 03:01
Redball, I think he's proud.  Don't spoil it for him! 


Although it reminds me of my freshman English class and the best paper I ever wrote.  We were assigned to do a two page analysis of a Robert Frost poem of our choice.  I wrote five pages on the futility of analyzing poetry.  It was a thing of beauty, Lucid, clear, well though out, and I even illustrated my points with poems by Frost, Dickinson, and (IIRC) Ogden Nash. 


The professor was a poet. 



Best D minus I ever got.

After having to study Modernism in English this year, learning all about how poetry of Ezra Pound and TS Eliot resists explication, I couldn't help but point out in my papers that trying to analyse something that resists meaning is pretty stupid.

Then we had an exam on it, too!

Those guys must be violently spinning in their graves.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 May 2012, 08:38
E
Wait, was an F even lower back then, they gave you guys an extra 10 points before you failed?  :?


(That being said, I always wondered why it went from D to F)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 31 May 2012, 08:39
You can still get Es in the UK at A level, I think. You can also get an N, or a U - U for ungraded, N for "nearly". I kid you not. My friend's A levels read N, U, D, E. Almost amusing enough to make it worthwhile having failed them all.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 May 2012, 09:24
So...do you also have A-D and F, or do you have completely different grades?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 31 May 2012, 10:23
At my university, in the 1950s, the grading was A to E.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 31 May 2012, 11:31
Was an E considered a failing grade?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 31 May 2012, 11:56
At GCSE, which are the exams at the end of compulsory school (age 16 - General Certificate of Secondary Education), you can get A*-C as a good passing grade, D or E as a "well you sort of passed but not really" and F is a fail. U is "you're so crap we didn't even mark it" and N... I've only heard of it in the context of my friend.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 31 May 2012, 12:15
"You got every question half-right, but given that you clearly haven't grasped the material, we don't feel comfortable actually awarding you the grade that corresponds with a 50%"
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 31 May 2012, 12:32
I'm not sure our percentage grades match up to yours, either. For instance, I was pretty thrilled when I got 132 on my mock exam, which was 66% - a high 2.ii, which is a good grade that most people are aiming for (only about 10% of people get a 1st, and that percentage is lower for some subjects). 50% is the cut-off for a 2.ii at degree level. I'm aiming for about 60% this year, which will be a good grade for me. It's almost unheard of for anyone to get 80% or higher; it's called a starred first and they're very rare.

In terms of A levels, 50% is a D so a passing grade is more like 60% really. An A is 80%. I don't know how that compares with the US.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 31 May 2012, 15:42
In the US the letter system is:

A=100-90%
B=89-80%
C=79-70%
D=69-60%
F=59%-0%

But, as has been discussed elsewhere, sometimes the whole scale is thrown out for various programs where a B- (between 84-80%) actually means failure in that particular course. Or in the case of my girlfriend, where a single percentage point because of a medical absence (which, at the time, she didn't get a note for because she didn't think she would need that one point to pass) is the difference between passing a course and having to retake it, despite having otherwise passed the quizzes and tests.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 01 Jun 2012, 09:12
Also we have a +- system, where those percents are broken into further categories.  I can tell you that in my Grad program an A+ is reserved for outrageously good work.  Most classes are not exam based, so the A+ is reserved for work that goes above and beyond what was asked.  I did have one class that was problem set/exam based and to get an A+ you had to do another project.  That is even if you did all the work 100% correct, and got 100% of the answers correct on the exams you would still end up with an A not an A+.  It was a programming class and the assignments were basically proof of concept things, to get the A+ you had to do a project that actually was something useful using what you had learned. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Jun 2012, 01:43
That makes sense - A is the best grade, A+ indicates you did something extra (or plus). Sensible.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 02 Jun 2012, 02:38
I'm not sure our percentage grades match up to yours, either. For instance, I was pretty thrilled when I got 132 on my mock exam, which was 66% - a high 2.ii, which is a good grade that most people are aiming for (only about 10% of people get a 1st, and that percentage is lower for some subjects). 50% is the cut-off for a 2.ii at degree level. I'm aiming for about 60% this year, which will be a good grade for me. It's almost unheard of for anyone to get 80% or higher; it's called a starred first and they're very rare.

They used to do something like that here in the soft sciences, but the students got kinda frustrated when nobody studying language or law or such got perfect scores, but maths students got it all the time, because you can actually get everything as good as it can get on a maths exam, and it would be kinda stupid not to score that perfect just because the language students didn't get perfects.

Now it's expected that if you're good enough to get things that's a lot better than an A, you are good enough to just take more courses, and finish your PHD by 23.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 02 Jun 2012, 06:28
They used to do something like that here in the soft sciences, but the students got kinda frustrated when nobody studying language or law or such got perfect scores, but maths students got it all the time, because you can actually get everything as good as it can get on a maths exam, and it would be kinda stupid not to score that perfect just because the language students didn't get perfects.

Really?  I mean, really??  When I went to Purdue (back in the 80's), the math and engineering and science programs were ridiculously hard.  Exam questions were long and complex, much more so than was reasonable for the amount of time given.  It took genuine talent to get an A. 

Meanwhile, the psychology and education programs were both under fire for having courses where no one got below a B.  If the interpretation of a "C" is supposed to be "average work", how can that happen?  It was not Lake Wobegon!* 

* - where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 02 Jun 2012, 08:06
That raises an interesting question. If your aim is to teach math students whatever they require to know, and you then test them to see if they do indeed know everything they require, then anything but a perfect score on their test would be unacceptable. If your aim is to discern the average students from the exceptional ones, you give a test that is beyond the average ability to complete, and accept less-than-perfect performances. I think, if this were a perfect world, the former would be more common than the latter, but since this isn't, it's not.

Speaking of perfect worlds, I'm about to find out how perfect mine exactly is. I was given an interview for the master's application procedure, and they told me that of 50 applicants, 20 were rejected, and 20 can be accepted. If I'm in the top 20, I'm offered a position. If I'm lower, then they have to wait for someone in the top 20 to reject their offer before I'm moved up in the rankings. I'm going to hear whether I made it next week. If I don't, it will be the first time I ever hit a snag in my (admittedly short) academic career. If I do, I might start feeling like Achilles (the one pronounced Ach-heel).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Jun 2012, 10:39
I'm intrigued, why would a perfect world be one where everyone gets 100%?

I'm opposed to the idea of formalised education, but I do recognise that there is a merit in having a way to discern candidates for jobs based on roughly equal criteria, and that standardised testing can be a good tool for this. But if your aim is to get everyone achieving 100%, then you will have to do one of these things:

Reject everyone who isn't almost certain to manage a perfect grade
Throw people out mid-course if they are struggling
Make the test really easy

My view is that education is meant to inspire and nurture curiosity about whatever subject you're studying, so none of those options is ideal from this viewpoint. Also, if you're taking the American approach where people have to take several different courses and some are required even if you don't like them or aren't good at them, it would be very unfair.

It's also an interesting point that you say "whatever they require to know". I don't have a very deep understanding of maths, but as far as I know, it is a field where people are still discovering things and working things out for themselves. Here, graduate students have to do original research - if anyone else is doing the same thing, then the one who started first gets priority and the other has to change. Undergraduates don't have quite the same pressure, we're still at the "learn these things" stage, but the top grades are still reserved for people who go beyond what they're taught and think critically, developing their own ideas and theories. So even if you know everything perfectly and have a photographic memory, you should only get 100% if you have also produced a publication-standard argument which is totally flawless and references all the relevant academic debate. I have read published articles by my lecturers which would not achieve this.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 02 Jun 2012, 11:02
I'm intrigued, why would a perfect world be one where everyone gets 100%?

I'm opposed to the idea of formalised education, but I do recognise that there is a merit in having a way to discern candidates for jobs based on roughly equal criteria, and that standardised testing can be a good tool for this. But if your aim is to get everyone achieving 100%, then you will have to do one of these things:

Reject everyone who isn't almost certain to manage a perfect grade
Throw people out mid-course if they are struggling
Make the test really easy
I don't understand the question. Do our definitions of 'perfect' differ?
If you require your students to possess complete knowledge and a thorough understanding of the required material, then you make the test just easy enough so someone who fits the requirements scores 100%. If they don't, they fill the gaps in their knowledge, and try again.

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My view is that education is meant to inspire and nurture curiosity about whatever subject you're studying, so none of those options is ideal from this viewpoint. Also, if you're taking the American approach where people have to take several different courses and some are required even if you don't like them or aren't good at them, it would be very unfair.

It's also an interesting point that you say "whatever they require to know". I don't have a very deep understanding of maths, but as far as I know, it is a field where people are still discovering things and working things out for themselves. Here, graduate students have to do original research - if anyone else is doing the same thing, then the one who started first gets priority and the other has to change. Undergraduates don't have quite the same pressure, we're still at the "learn these things" stage, but the top grades are still reserved for people who go beyond what they're taught and think critically, developing their own ideas and theories. So even if you know everything perfectly and have a photographic memory, you should only get 100% if you have also produced a publication-standard argument which is totally flawless and references all the relevant academic debate. I have read published articles by my lecturers which would not achieve this.
Well, in this case I was only referring to teaching knowledge and skills. 'Whatever they require to know' then includes the knowledge and skills they need (on their level) to do original research. Since it's very hard to grade an answer to a question to which nobody knows the correct answer, you cannot expect someone to perform perfectly on a task that is not guaranteed to give you the opportunity to perform perfectly.

Anyway, as I said, perfect world, pure conjecture, hypotheticals, I am not a teacher, etc.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Jun 2012, 11:13
What I was getting at is that the definition of "perfect" depends on your goal. Do you follow what I was saying about needing differentiate between people who have studied the same thing, and how if you make it possible for everyone to get 100%, you are necessarily making the test easier and cutting off the opportunity for outstanding students to shine?

I have friends who are studying the same subject as me, who know the material inside out. They have memorised all the cases and the points of law which they bring up, and can reference the statutes without looking. They have read academic arguments and can list points on each perspective. But they still don't have their own views and haven't applied their perfect knowledge in a way that contributes anything to the discussion, so I would say that they are not deserving of a perfect score.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 02 Jun 2012, 14:57
Oh, yes, I get it. The question is whether the qualities you value in yourself as a student are actually measured by the tests they give you. Do you actually get better grades than your friends? While I'm sure every field benefits greatly by creative insight and unconventional thinking, I'm not entirely sure how well you can measure it on a test. I'm thinking back to the tests on neuroscience I've taken, and while I can't be entirely sure, I think I could have gotten a better grade than the aforementioned 7.1 GPA if I spent more time on the material, which does not necessarily mean I could apply that knowledge to learn more about Alzheimer's disease better than anyone else, for example.

One of the few times we, as students, were able to discuss the test answers directly with the lecturer, there was one question he asked about why you might fail to get readings from an implanted electrode. The correct answer was because it might be clogged. The material was about in-vivo electrophysiological measurements, something none of us had experience with, and so we had no idea that a clogged electrode was even a possibility, something we made extremely clear to the lecturer, yet he insisted that it was an 'insight question'. (The course coordinator was there the whole time, and thought it to be an amusing spectacle rather than a conflict that needed to be solved by an authority.) So I get the distinct idea that an insight is only obvious after you've had it, and asking students to have them is an unreliable way to test their knowledge or ability.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 02 Jun 2012, 15:35
No, I don't get better grades - I don't do very much work, so I don't know half of the material. It was just an example of how people can have different strengths which don't come out in testing.

It's hard because it really depends on what the point of the tests are. In the case of medicine, for example, I absolutely want to know that my doctor has learnt all the different systems of the body and know how to tell which thing is a kidney and which is a lung, etc. But most degrees are not part of a professional qualification, so it gets a little muddier.

My original point was more about the fact that if you make it possible for the majority of people to get 100%, you abolish the purpose of testing entirely - to distinguish between good students and excellent students. Or rather, perhaps I mean "people who understand the material well and people who understand the material excellently". If your definition of a good student is "someone who memorises everything" then I guess the form of testing you advocate does tell you who those people are. I just don't see the point, once you've left academia, of a piece of paper that says "I can memorise things".
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 02 Jun 2012, 16:39
One of the few times we, as students, were able to discuss the test answers directly with the lecturer, there was one question he asked about why you might fail to get readings from an implanted electrode. The correct answer was because it might be clogged. The material was about in-vivo electrophysiological measurements, something none of us had experience with, and so we had no idea that a clogged electrode was even a possibility, something we made extremely clear to the lecturer, yet he insisted that it was an 'insight question'.
If you knew the physical structure of an implantable electrode, might it be possible to see how organic matter could lodge in it, blocking conduction between tissue and the conductor in the electrode? In near-complete ignorance, I think of an electrode as a metallic object lodged in tissue, with nothing in between. That this could "clog" suggests that there's some structure that allows organic matter to accumulate and block conduction. Would the leap of insight have been possible with knowledge of the structure?
I looked for a diagram of such a structure and failed to find one. If anyone can point me, I'd appreciate it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 03 Jun 2012, 00:57
maths...is a field where people are still discovering things and working things out for themselves. Here, graduate students have to do original research - if anyone else is doing the same thing, then the one who started first gets priority and the other has to change. Undergraduates don't have quite the same pressure, we're still at the "learn these things" stage, but the top grades are still reserved for people who go beyond what they're taught and think critically, developing their own ideas and theories.

Quite true.  My doctoral thesis (as are all of them) was on a new area in mathematics, a new technique that had never been used before, creating a new way to interperet information and structure.  Ideally, pushing the frontier of kowledge a little further out. 

What's almost unique about math is that it's been developing for thousands of years, unlike most other fields (except, perhaps, philosophy).  Because of this, it's nearly impossible to have complete knowledge of any branch of mathematics.  There are nooks and crannies of calculus, dark alleyways in statistics, untouched clearings in algebra, all awaiting exploration.  The professor who inspired me to study math rather than physics (in my juior year, after failing a quantum physics lab) once told me that, after 40 years in the field, he could walk into the library, pull a journal a random off the shelf, look at the table of contents, and have no idea what 90% of it was about.  It's that kind of field - a lifetime isn't enough to scratch the surface. 

And it's always changing.  Those of us who grew up BC (before caculators) may remember learning an algorithm for calculating square roots by hand.  Guess what?  It's not taught any more.  Graphing calculators made sevral of the algebraic tricks for locating zeros of a polynomial obsolete.  It's a living language, like English, and nearly as inscrutible. 


With no native speakers. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 03 Jun 2012, 06:29
They used to do something like that here in the soft sciences, but the students got kinda frustrated when nobody studying language or law or such got perfect scores, but maths students got it all the time, because you can actually get everything as good as it can get on a maths exam, and it would be kinda stupid not to score that perfect just because the language students didn't get perfects.

Really?  I mean, really??  When I went to Purdue (back in the 80's), the math and engineering and science programs were ridiculously hard.  Exam questions were long and complex, much more so than was reasonable for the amount of time given.  It took genuine talent to get an A. 

By "all the time", I mean "it happened in some of the courses each semester", compared to it never happening in any "soft" courses. If you know all of the theorems that's taught, their proofs and  applications, AND are able to pull off some creative thinking for the more complex problems, you should probably get a perfect score, as there is really nothing more you can know that's related to the course in question. A "perfect" analysis of, say a poem, or why some historic event took place, or something like that is pretty much impossible. So if you require perfect answers for perfect grades, the best history students wouldn't get As, while the best maths students (or students in any other field where there are definite answers - legal translation would be another one, I've heard) would. And then the grades would mean different things depending on different courses, and averages, especially for cross-disciplinary degrees, would be meaningless.

To give an example - if I'm asked if x²-3 is a maximal ideal in Q[X], it is possible to give a perfect answer, with reference to a few theorems. I doubt there is a perfect answer to the differences between post-modern and Victorian art.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Jun 2012, 07:13
Well, actually I think that isn't the case if you're saying "perfect regurgitation and analysis of the material taught". As Carl said, maths is a hugely untapped subject and you can certainly go into a lot more detail. I expect that even in the example you give, there are ways to expand and dig deeper (I know nothing about maths, I can barely multiply). So if all you look for in order to get 100% is the exact answer using the methods you were taught, then that is possible in other subjects too. If you've been attending a course on post-modern and Victorian art, and one of the lectures was on the differences between the two, then you could just repeat the list you were taught. By your logic, that would gain 100%. But of course it doesn't, because you're expected to apply some thought and your own ideas. You can do that in maths too.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 03 Jun 2012, 08:26
I think a part of the discrepancy between grading in different subjects is that how you can find a grade is different.  So if my final exam in a math class is 10 problems, and they are worth ten points each even if you sub divide the problems to allow for partial credit, it is a lot clearer what level of work is an A, a B and so on.  I think it is easier to leave the room thinking "I nailed it" or "oh no..." and to be correct and when you get the test back it will be clear where you messed up.  For an English class my final exams were essays, and since my ability to write an essay was no longer being tested (that is it was not, 10 points for a clear thesis, 5 points each for supporting pieces of evidence... and so on) what is being tested is my analysis. What was my thesis, and was it convincingly supported, did I miss some other plot point which disputes my argument or even something major which seems to support it but which I ignored and so on.  I think it is a lot harder to leave the room knowing how well you did and when you get your grade back a lot harder to understand it sometimes, or to know how to study harder for the next one. 

I think that in math you get a percent grade, and then that is converted to an A,B,C,etc where as in an English class you are given a "average, above average, excellent" and then that is converted to an A,B,C etc.  Though I have had essays come back with percents on them, I always wondered what made this essay a 91 and not a 90 or a 90, what small part was worth that one point?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 03 Jun 2012, 09:26
And that is why math is so much better than other courses. It is concrete, if you get something wrong, then you can be shown how and why precisely. Nothing is vague.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Omega Entity on 03 Jun 2012, 09:30
Except for -why- something is done the way it is. That's what always frustrated me about math - no one could explain why something needed to be multiplied by a seemingly arbitrary number, or why a certain process was required to solve a certain equation. Math often left me in frustrated tears, even in college.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 03 Jun 2012, 09:52
Some things have a good why, some things are just constants of the universe that you have to accept as truths for math to work.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 03 Jun 2012, 10:44
That is why the humanities are better.  The world is not black and white, and you ability to navigate it depends on your ability to pull out important points analyse them and connect them in ways that are meaningful. :p
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 03 Jun 2012, 11:45
Q: What is the significance of the underlying themes in Poe's later works?
A: I'm sorry I forgot to add milk to your grande mocha java, sir.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 03 Jun 2012, 11:49
Oh, oh, all of you - stop! 

Jace, you're just starting in maths, you're still slogging through the well trodden highways of calculus.  Your naivete is both familiar and humerous.  Calculus has been around for nearly four hundred years, but even a scant 200 years ago, the whole foundations of mathematics were shaken to its roots, and much of what we find familiar in math (functions, sets, etc) became redefined to eliminate confusion, and as little as 100 years ago the notion of different levels of the infinite were hashed out.  Even the basics are in flux!  I was honored to have been at IU concurrently with Max Zorn, progenitor of "Zorn's Lemma", which made much of my branch of mathematics (topology) possible.  Of course, he was an octegenary professor emeritus, and I was a grad student, but these things are less concrete than you think! 

Even Snailin's example has a whole other way of going around to it, through field theory, as proposed by the 20 year old genius Galois, laid out in a letter the night before going and losing a duel over a young lady.  Anyone who's mastered high school algebra knows full well that there can be several paths to the correct answer! 

There's more similarity between the humanities and the sciences than you think.  But what sets math apart - far, far apart from even the other sciences  - is its purity.  Not its correctness; not even its applicability; but the fact that proof is definitive, and its only limits are the human mind - and maybe not even that. 

So please, stop arguing over who's better.  My point was that the perception of which is "easier" was a false impression.  What makes a subject easy or hard has more to do with the teacher and the relationship they can build with the student, how inspired the student can be, and what resources are available. 

The fact that people are proud  - actually proud about being math-illiterate is the biggest stumbling block to basic education in the US and other countries.  We've made several generations scared of the subject, and ignorant of basic enumeration.  I have a shirt that says 4/3 of people don't understand fractions, and dammit, most people who see it don't get the joke.  But they're just as happy to be ignorant of their history, as well.  Public reaction is to be shocked when people can't locate asia on a globe, but they shrug their shoulders when people can't balance their checkbook. 

OK, this turned into more of a rant than anything.  Sorry for hijacking the thread, but as a mathematician / historian / educator who started out as an English major, I hate this squabbling bullshit.  If we all use our heads for something more than separating our ears, the world will be better, in every way. 

[insert sweaty, panting avatar here]
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 03 Jun 2012, 13:55
I really like making fun of english majors though, especially Kat. But seriously people can make fun of me all day because I actually enjoy doing math and will try to create problems that can be solved with complex math when really simple arithmetic will do.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 03 Jun 2012, 14:21
I was vice president of the math club in community college you know.  Also I don't work as a Batista and you know it...



I am unemployed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ackblom12 on 03 Jun 2012, 14:22
Just like any proper English Major.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 03 Jun 2012, 14:23
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Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 03 Jun 2012, 14:57
There's also the question of why you're doing the degree. I'm not doing a degree as a path to employment, or in order to score high percentages on a test. I'm just interested in jurisprudence, I like debating things on an intellectual level and I wanted to have a stepping stone to adulthood.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 03 Jun 2012, 18:29
Speaking of math: Just reading an article in a 2011 Scientific American dealing with a fascinating question: Did humans invent mathematics, or did we discover it? A bit of both, the author seems to say. Article ($$$) is here:  http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-math-works (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-math-works)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 03 Jun 2012, 20:21
I always imagined math as a way to quantify and measure occurrences.So math is how we interpret and evaluate events that happen in our world in a mostly objective fashion.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 03 Jun 2012, 23:14
No, that's physics. In theory, every single aspect of mathematics can be derived with just your own brain. At first glance, there's no obvious reason why the universe has to follow the rules that humans had made up by organizing things based on how many fingers there are on their hands, but it actually works both ways. Mathematics has to make internal sense to us, because we are a product of this universe, and work according to its rules. If this was a universe where one plus one equals fish, no one would ever be able to derive an integral.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Skewbrow on 04 Jun 2012, 01:37
I love math. Always have. Being a mathematician is my calling. It has not always been rewarding, but it is what I am. It is not easy to describe why that is so, though. Purity (http://xkcd.com/435/) is a big part of it. The truths are also absolute in a sense. I couldn't hack topics like law, where truth is (so I've been told) a matter of opinion or debating skills. It is the Truth that matters.

Math is a cumulative science. The old truths are still valid. The changes that Carl-E described were mostly about adding an extra layer of rigor or two. The changes were very fundamental - no denying that, but it didn't result in math abandoning older results. Admittedly I haven't studied the foundations too deeply, because when I was a freshman some junior faculty members told us that the dudes who have studied the foundations have mostly ended up in the local asylum save that one alky who never finished his PhD.

So I absorbed the somewhat more pragmatic creed of "I believe in naïve set theory and Zorn's lemma." (Yes, Zorn's major result is an enabler of much of abstract algebra as well as topology). Together with the bit of wisdom from a more senior faculty member: "Math is not like Baron von Münchausen (that teutonic teller of tall tales) who could hoist himself out of a tar pit by pulling his hair. We do need to start from something."

But yeah, a math PhD knows so little math that s/he shouldn't attempt to pontificate.

Snalin, have fun with abstract algebra. If you run into problems, I (and several more competent people) am at math.stackexchange.com.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 04 Jun 2012, 02:39
But yeah, a math PhD knows so little math that s/he shouldn't attempt to pontificate.
And I only have a Bachelor's so I'm keeping very quiet.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jun 2012, 03:11
In Maths?  I'd pictured you as doing Comp Sci or something.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Jun 2012, 03:46
My Director of Studies just forwarded some information about the dissertation seminar options, which successfully distracted me from revision for a while. I'm a bit alarmed about the prospect of having to reference and create a bibliography for the first time ever. Thankfully they're very relaxed about which reference system we use, so I will use the built-in bibliography tool in OpenOffice.

Also while I was checking to see if the university library has a book I want to read as background information, I discovered that I have a book due back today which can't be renewed. So I will have to make a trip over there to take it back. Harrumph, I hadn't come even close to finishing it. But it isn't relevant, I just liked the title.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 04 Jun 2012, 04:56
I wouldn't bother with OpenOffice's bibliography tool, it's far too complicated and harder than just doing it manually.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Jun 2012, 05:03
I've just searched for an alternative and there seem to be a few on the internet. I'm just concerned that I'll spend so long checking the format of my references that I'll never get anything done.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 04 Jun 2012, 05:05
There's also the question of why you're doing the degree. I'm not doing a degree as a path to employment,

See, this is different than in the current united states. Costs are so high that if you aren't going as a path to a higher level of employment you are looked down on for wasting money (because if you have the extra income in your early 20s to just get some degree that doesn't matter to your Life Plan why are you even there).
If I were going for a Medieval European History degree, like I would want to get, I would spend somewhere between $20,000 and $50,000 for something that would have very little opportunity for work and then I'd have to pay that money back with the job I don't have.

I actually get flak already for being a Math major that wants to go into physics or just math instead of Pharmaceutical Mathematics, Engineering, or Computer Science. Those are the Big Three that have jobs and make money, but I'm not interested in being a helmsman or science officer, I want to be on the engineering deck (which has more to do with physics than modern day engineering since we are talking about warp drives)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 04 Jun 2012, 05:18
I majored in Fine Arts and then Art Education. Obviously I did not pick the first for a job, even though I have had jobs sort of related to it, I picked it because I love it. Art Ed is partially so I can have a job, partially because I love education. But I also love biological sciences and I was able to pull that kind of research in for my thesis. Math, back when I did it, was also fun, but because I haven't done advanced math since high school, I've lost my touch with it. Yes, I could relearn calculus, but it's not really necessary for my passions and line of work. Honestly if I do any sort of math, it's algebra or geometry, but it's not on paper.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 04 Jun 2012, 05:32
You're better off just using one of those websites, May. There's a few where you can just type in the ISBN of the book, and it does all the magic for you. I used them pretty often when writing my dissertation. Or just use a simple reference system that you can memorise easily, which is what I did for shorter essays where I'd just reference a handful of books.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 04 Jun 2012, 05:51
For understandable reasons, no one in this thread seems to extol the virtue of the old-fashioned liberal arts education as a preparation for almost anything at all. I glanced at Wikipedia's take on the subject: It referred originally to the education considered necessary for a free (liber) citizen, and included  in ancient times grammar, rhetoric and logic, with the addition in medieval times of mathematics, geometry, music and astronomy. I didn't set out for that kind of education. I wanted to study physics until the 4th semester with my 4 E's and a D. When I returned to a small liberal arts college after an Army enlistment, I knew I'd be a newspaper reporter. I could have majored in almost anything that interested me. I majored in American history, although I aced a course in atomic physics. I took a couple of other science courses, economics, literature, philosophy, religion, and ended up with a good liberal arts education. And (stop me if I've said this before), close to a half-century in journalism has rewarded me for everything I ever learned and experienced, in and out of the classroom.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 04 Jun 2012, 06:12
I majored in Fine Arts and then Art Education. Obviously I did not pick the first for a job, even though I have had jobs sort of related to it, I picked it because I love it. Art Ed is partially so I can have a job, partially because I love education. But I also love biological sciences and I was able to pull that kind of research in for my thesis. Math, back when I did it, was also fun, but because I haven't done advanced math since high school, I've lost my touch with it. Yes, I could relearn calculus, but it's not really necessary for my passions and line of work. Honestly if I do any sort of math, it's algebra or geometry, but it's not on paper.

You and I majored in the same things for the same reasons, except stick in one semester of Interior Design before Fine Arts. I chose to study interior design because I was a silly teenager who thought that ID was Trading Spaces off camera. Boy, was I wrong. haha

I'm not terrible at math, but it's definitely not one of my better subjects.

I think if there should ever be any question of the validity of a course of study, it should be this- is your particular course fulfilling to you? There are a number of things that I would never want to study, but I can respect those who gravitate towards things that are difficult for me (or just....not as interesting on a personal level). I know that what I studied was the perfect path for me- even if I didn't believe so at the time. And Jace- I totally get that and it sucks. It tough to find a balance between "I love doing this" and "This will pay my bills one day". I know I wanted to study the arts but it's so hard to get a job in them. The sad part is that education was the route people considered to be the one area in which a job in the arts was realistic but even that has become rare.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 04 Jun 2012, 06:20
Out of the 8 people graduating this spring (I can't graduate until winter because I need 3 more classes), already 2 have found jobs in schools and one is moving across the country because she got a job at an outdoor art camp, which is her dream job. The others I'm not sure, but job placement for people who graduate from my program seems to be pretty good. The school has a great connection with the public schools in the area and we've got a good reputation. So yeah. I mean, I'm worried, but I think I will find something eventually. If not I'll find some of my fellow grads and we'll make our own darn art school. (Which we have talked about, actually.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 04 Jun 2012, 06:39
I wish it was that easy here.....I've been looking on a number of education job boards for almost a year now and there have only been 7 openings in total (in a 100 mile radius).

I've applied to 5 of those and 3 would include at least an hour and a half commute (the other 2 were impossible for me to get to). I seriously considered applying in NYC but then discovered that they STILL haven't let up on the hiring freeze (and when they do, they have to rehire all the teachers that were let go before they bring in the noobs). My next step is to spend countless hours on Google researching NYC private schools.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Jun 2012, 08:42
I do understand what you're saying, Jace, because you guys pay a lot more than I'm paying. The gap is a little smaller under the new UK fees system, which my siblings will be studying under - they'll pay three times as much as me. Although we have a much, much better loans system which makes it far easier.

But I think you're overlooking the fact that just having a degree can be an asset, whatever it is in. I don't know how true this is in the States but certainly here, all you need to get a general gradate job (as opposed to something specialised like computer programming or medical work) is a 2.i in something. You could study art history and then go and join the civil service. In theory. In practice, at the moment there are so few jobs that even my friend who graduated last summer with a first in materials science only managed to get a job about a month ago.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 04 Jun 2012, 09:03
Oh yeah totally, a lot of places just require that you have 'a degree.' Of course if I am applying for a higher level position in x that requires a degree, and mine is in y, I might get the job, but there could be someone applying for that position with a degree in x, and their chances are higher than mine for that position.

I'm just constantly upset that I have to take classes that aren't related (or are barely related) to math.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 04 Jun 2012, 12:33
Come to the UK. Our degrees are two years ahead of the US ones (so I've read - in terms of depth of study) and you only do the subject you're specialising in.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 04 Jun 2012, 14:04
But I think you're overlooking the fact that just having a degree can be an asset, whatever it is in. I don't know how true this is in the States but certainly here, all you need to get a general gradate job (as opposed to something specialised like computer programming or medical work) is a 2.i in something.
Yes, for better or worse, a Bachelor's in something is more and more just the price of entry into "good jobs", even though Australia, where unemployment is around 5% (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/unemployment-rate) and skilled labour shortages are generally the rule, is less credentialist than some places, I think.

Incidentally, you might be surprised what a mixed bag ends up in computer-programming...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 04 Jun 2012, 14:49
I think what is bumming me out right now is that I've been given the numbers of people who are also applying for entry-level editorial jobs. I'm fighting off maybe 200-400 people per position. Last rejection I got essentially outlined how I had a 1% chance of getting the job - and there are people out there who have got BAs in Publishing, rather than BAs in English Lit like me.

I'm now looking into PR as a suitable point if I'm unable to get anything in publishing soon. It doesn't help that I can't start a full-time job until October, either...

Interestingly an American friend said her experience of University here compared to the US is that we were a lot stricter, with everything. Exams, coursework, deadlines...I forget which University she went to, but she was pleasantly surprised to have become so much more motivated since she took classes here.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 04 Jun 2012, 14:53
When I was applying for jobs last year I actually found my degree to work against me.  I started leaving it off my resume.  I knew I was going to grad school in a year but I only mentioned that at the interview if it was a temp position.  I applied for all sorts of things: package delivery, office assistant, call center worker, paralegal... I found that having a degree from a respected institution made them question why I wanted the job.  All of these were jobs which did have the potential for growth, many with companies that promote from withing.  I told my interviewers that I wanted to get my foot int he door with a good company, that I was looking for a place to start a career and so on, but what it came down to was, yes but you are over-qualified for this position.  I think especially in the recession there is the idea that workers with degrees are settling and will jump ship as soon as the economy improves.  The problem is that "better" jobs were not hiring at all. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jun 2012, 15:47
Incidentally, you might be surprised what a mixed bag ends up in computer-programming...

As an engineer who's been working in programming and such-like since 1970 (including employing others), I for one am not surprised at all.  The current head of Oxford University's computer services department is an English don who runs a web site publishing war poetry and Old English poetry; this is run as part of the computer services website.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Jun 2012, 04:40
Kat that's a really good point, and one I'm concerned about because my career ambitions, if I don't become a midwife (which is incredibly competitive - for the uni I most want to go to, they had 1000 applicants for 13 spaces last year), are either childcare or secretarial work. Having a law degree from Cambridge might raise a few eyebrows, and I don't think my typical response that I hate lawyers and they have no soul would go down well in a job interview.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 05 Jun 2012, 05:42
Why are you studying law when you want to be a midwife? Just curious, I've heard you mention the desire to be a midwife and the two fields don't really connect.

Jace - that's just part of a liberal arts education. I had to take so many credits of math, science, social sciences, ethics, english (which I mostly tested out of), and free electives in order to graduate. Sometimes I could bend the rules and take a class that was relavent to my interests (like ethics - instead of taking an actual ethics class, I took one that discussed ethics through literature), but sometimes I just had to suck it up and take a class I didn't really want to. Like one of the psychology classes I took that was boring as crap, but I needed the credit. I think I finished most of those by the time I was a junior and my last two years were mostly classes for my major.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 05 Jun 2012, 05:53
Kat- I feel your pain. It depresses me so much when I apply to clerical positions and don't get any interviews. Ok, so I have a degree in education, but seriously??? I also have almost 10 years of experience in office environments and I've done practically everything It's like they see my degree and just throw away my resume. Maybe it would be better to put it after my work experience....Do you think it helped when you took it off?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 05 Jun 2012, 06:24
I chose law when I was seventeen, having studied it at A level and enjoyed it. I still enjoy it, I find it interesting and I'm pretty good at it when I make the effort. I did consider dropping out completely when I got ill, especially once I realised I would rather go into another career, but I decided that having a law degree, and having a Cambridge degree, were both things which could be useful in the future if I decided I wanted a city job or something.

Midwifery is definitely an interest, but because it would require another undergraduate degree I'm thinking about not going straight into it. I'll apply this year just for the experience, because it's a gruelling process (far more so than getting into an academic degree, even at a top university - the selection process is much more intensive) and it'll give me an idea of whether I've got any chance. But I might not accept a place if I get one, and go off to be an adult for a few years first.

Did I tell you guys I had an exam today? It was in international law, which I've found pretty complex during this year and I was concerned I hadn't covered enough during my revision. The paper was great though, it had two really good essay questions on it and two problem questions which related to areas I'd studied thoroughly, so I am hopeful I did well on that. Now to do some work for the criminology paper tomorrow, and the administrative paper on Thursday, and then I am finally FREEEEEE.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 05 Jun 2012, 09:30
Why are you studying law when you want to be a midwife? Just curious, I've heard you mention the desire to be a midwife and the two fields don't really connect.

Jace - that's just part of a liberal arts education. I had to take so many credits of math, science, social sciences, ethics, english (which I mostly tested out of), and free electives in order to graduate. Sometimes I could bend the rules and take a class that was relavent to my interests (like ethics - instead of taking an actual ethics class, I took one that discussed ethics through literature), but sometimes I just had to suck it up and take a class I didn't really want to. Like one of the psychology classes I took that was boring as crap, but I needed the credit. I think I finished most of those by the time I was a junior and my last two years were mostly classes for my major.

The weird thing is that I've gotten most of my extra courses out of the way after this coming semester. I have to retake english (I think) and then all I need are 4 math courses and 2 consecutive science courses with labs. Calculus and analytical geometry I, II &III, Intro to differential equations, physics I & II.
Oh, I gotta do another humanities elective since I failed spanish. The issue is that I can't really take Calculus I, II, or III at the same time, but I have to take physics I at the same time as calc II.
I'm not sure how I'm gonna remain a full time student after this semester since I'll only have 2 classes and a lab to take at a time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 05 Jun 2012, 13:40
Kat's post is a big reason for why I'm not going to university. My brothers both did psychology and did well in it but one works in a print shop and the other in a bank as a so far, three year long temp. The one in the print shop got the same, "Why are you applying when you have a degree?" question and they feared he'd jump as soon as something better came along. They said they would only give him a job if he signed a year contract to promise he'd not jump at the next job and of course, as a dude with almost no work experience and a ton of student loans to pay, he signed right away. Five years later and he's still there because there's been no other jobs to jump to any way and the ones that do pull out, "You're over-qualified."

I figure I'd rather start getting practical experience as soon as possible so I'm doing a uni-level degree in a community college. The education is just as good, if not better because it's mostly practical and going to a "proper" university/college would be much more theory based. It's worked a lot better for most people I know than the ones who have gone on to university. One of the cases where people not taking community college as seriously works in the current job climate.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 08 Jun 2012, 15:37
I've just made a long list of books I want to borrow when vacation borrowing opens on Monday. It includes textbooks for each of the papers I'm taking next year (I must be mad, I've decided to take six) and a bunch of general interest reading including Frida Kahlo's diary and a book called Islam in a World of Nation-States. Why do I not get this fired up about reading during term time?


Added so I don't double-post: just got my term report from my international supervisor. She's graded me at a 2.ii. So either she is going to be very surprised when I get a high 2.i/1st, or I have totally misjudged my performance in the exam and am going to be really disappointed. I have to admit that I hope it will be her who turns out to be wrong.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 Jun 2012, 08:26
Oh shit, oh shit. There is a chance I won't be able to do the dissertation because I can't go to the sodding preliminary meeting. Damnit. I am doing everything I can to make sure that isn't true, but I'll be so upset if I can't do it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 12 Jun 2012, 09:52
Well that sucks! Is it because of the coming tour?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 Jun 2012, 12:04
No, it's because of a course I'm going on about applying for midwifery. The course itself is on Friday, but I have to travel most of Thursday to get there. I checked with the faculty to make sure I'd be finished with exams by that date and they assured me that I'd be done by tomorrow, but I forgot to make sure about the meetings (I forgot they existed).

After much panicking, I've spoken to several third years who had a similar issue and still got onto the course, and my director of studies has emailed me to say that I should just go meet the course convenor and be very enthusiastic and honest, and it should be fine, so I'm not as worried. But I will be so upset if I have managed to do myself out of this dissertation, when I've already started working on the thing!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 12 Jun 2012, 12:12
Honestly, enthuse the hell out of him.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 12 Jun 2012, 12:40
It's a woman, but I will do so :) I think it would be difficult not to see that I'm really keen to do this course, and to write about this topic - and the fact that I've already started preparing for it surely will count in my favour.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 12 Jun 2012, 12:58
I hope that works out for you, because it must be pretty serious to get you swearing. (I don't mind, I'm actually quite amused.)

Well, I received the notification for my master's application... and I got in! Okay, rest of the world, you might as well wrap up, because this universe belongs to me.

To be honest, I was only about 20% surprised. Even though I realistically estimated a 66% chance of success, the experience-mediated part of my brain vastly overestimated is because I wasn't stressed about this at all, in spite of not having a solid backup plan in case of being rejected. (The plan in question was "Do some internships I guess.")

Hey, did you know that humans tend to overestimate small chances and underestimate large chances when the rational, conscious part of their brain makes the decision (i.e. by saying 'choose between A% chance of B dollars and C% of D dollars'), but this effect goes in the opposite direction, that is underestimate small chances and overestimate large chances when the stimulus-response part of their brain makes the decision? (i.e. by saying 'choose between gamble A and gamble B', the odds of which you have estimated by experimentation) So obviously the stimulus-response part of my brain - which is probably also more closely linked to fear of failure and consequently the stress response - has determined, through experience, the odds of success in academic situations to be quite high, even though the rational part of my brain knows the context to be different, but is apparently unable to convince the stimulus-response part of my brain enough to generate a stress response.

All of which means I am going to break down so hard when the odds eventually turn against me and I get screwed. But not today! The data of my experiment even points to having the complete opposite effect that we hypothesised, which seems pretty bad but is actually a lot better than not finding any effect at all. In the other condition, we did correctly predict that there was going to be no effect, so at least we know that we're doing something right... something.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 14 Jun 2012, 01:23
Ah, that oddly reassuring moment when you discover that the scary lecturer who you have to meet on Tuesday to convince them to let you into their course is, in her spare time, a novelist.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 19 Jun 2012, 10:32
So turns out I got a 2:1 as my degree mark. I'm happy, although a little disappointed as I'm less than two marks from a first.

To be fair, it's less about the grade and more about what you get from your degree, and what I can go on and do now.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 19 Jun 2012, 17:57
Ah, that oddly reassuring moment when you discover that the scary lecturer who you have to meet on Tuesday to convince them to let you into their course is, in her spare time, a novelist.
I mentioned this to my aspiring novelist daughter, who wondered if she'd ever heard of the lecturer/novelist.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 19 Jun 2012, 23:30
Rosy Thornton, she has written four books, of which I have read 1.2 - The Tapestry of Love, and Hearts & Minds.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 20 Jun 2012, 03:37
I'm done! Got my marks too. DMM, equivalent of ABB at A-Level so yay!

I think I could have done better if I didn't have that whole thing in January but I'm happy.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: schimmy on 21 Jun 2012, 09:26
Got my (technically provisional) degree classification! I got a 2.1! Woooooooop!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 21 Jun 2012, 14:24
So, I'm back from my annual trip to Kansas City to grade AP Calculus tests.  853 of us spent 7 days straight reading through 362,000 exams from all over the world.  Even if I didn't get paid to do it, it's a helluva lot of fun. 



You all failed.  (Just kidding)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 21 Jun 2012, 14:29
Care to describe the setting? I count 60/day/grader fwiw.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 21 Jun 2012, 14:34
Argh. My results from this year don't come out until Saturday. I just looked at my results from two years ago (my first year results - remember I didn't ever make it to the exams last year so they're the only ones I've got so far) and I did appallingly. I don't think I ever actually looked at the indidivual marks before. On one paper I got 52%. The highest grade I got was 60%. 60% is the minimum for a 2.i. 50% is the minimum for a 2.ii. I just barely escaped getting a third that year.

And those grades will be the deciding factor on whether or not I can take the seminar course if it is over-subscribed.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 22 Jun 2012, 13:47
I'm writing the conclusions section of the experiment I'm doing for my internship. Even though I have a couple of interesting results to examine, the whole thing is can actually be summed up quite nicely as "We don't know ANYTHINGGGGGG." Because, in this field of neuroscience, when you really need to know something for sure, you need to cut someone's head open and inject drugs directly in the spot you think it'll have an effect. Whereas I'm electrifying people's heads and seeing if that has an effect on their visual short-term memory. Which is actually a pretty exciting experiment, considering what the other people in my bachelor's are doing. Well, exciting for me; I'm sure the rest of my fellow students are just as invested in their project as I am.

Quick example: We know that electrical stimulation has an effect on glutamate concentration (a neurotransmitter), and we know that glutamate concentration correlates with memory capacity. So we do an experiment that tries to influence memory capacity with electrical stimulation. However, we do not actually know if the effect on glutamate concentration is large enough to affect memory capacity, nor do we know if it is actually possible to affect memory capacity by manipulating glutamate concentration. On top of that, we also don't know if there's a third variable that affects both memory capacity and glutamate concentration. If there is, all of the above information is irrelevant. Science: An extremely elaborate way to discover what you don't know.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 22 Jun 2012, 19:36
Vaguely connected and kinda interesting: My husband's boss had a 'heart event' back in like March/April, and they just figured out what caused it - and all the other things he's had going on for years. Apparently it's some sort of lupus (I think, DH was calling it Loomis at first, which is the last name of somebody from our high school) that causes migraines (check), depression (check), mood swings (check), and tends to culminate in a lethal heart aneurysm (almost check) and/or blood clots (without the drugs he's now on - check). So now he has to take blood thinners for the rest of his life to prevent a heart attack or stroke, but since it explains all the other things he's had, they can treat them better, like his apparent depression and bipolar disorder, which will hopefully help keep him from deciding to stop taking his meds (now including the lifesaving blood thinner) and run off to sit in a swamp and watch planes take off, like he has in the past.

Also, even less connected and really more depressing than interesting to be honest: About a month ago NPR did a story about how organ transplant lists are done, and they featured a 26-year-old girl named Ashley Dias (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/05/18/153004617/how-do-you-decide-who-gets-lungs) who had cystic fibrosis and was waiting for a lung transplant through the Cleveland, Ohio transplant list. She was very small (under 100lb) so it was hard to find lungs that would fit in her body. My friend from college has a 26-year-old sister named Ashley Drew (https://www.facebook.com/AirForAshley) with cystic fibrosis who was waiting for a lung transplant through the Cleveland, Ohio and Boston, Massachusetts transplant lists. She's very small (under 100lb) so it's been hard to find lungs that would fit in her body. My friend's sister got a transplant through the Boston list on June 9th. The other Ashley died on June 14th. This keeps coming back to my mind - and it could only be worse if the had gotten them through Cleveland, being so absolutely aware that not one but two people had died (the donor and the person who didn't get the lungs) so one person could live.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 22 Jun 2012, 22:48
Transplants...

We went to a baseball game this eveing, a promotional visit for Make-A-Wish (my daughter, a cancer "survivor", is articulate and pretty, and so she's very popular with the foundation, they like to have her at events for the press). 

Make-A-Wish had the picnic part of the ballpark reserved for all the kids and their families.  We met some amazing people, including 3 year old Savannah.  Savannah was born without functioning kidneys.  They had to wait till she was about two and large enough to survive the surgery.  Her gram was a perfect match and donated one of hers. 

Now, fitting an adult kidney into a small-for-a-two-year-old's body is apparantly quite a trick.  She likes to lift her shirt and show off her scars.  It looks like the aftermath of a careful autopsy - stem to stern, large flaps to each side.  But it worked.  Her torso's oddly proportioned, to say the least, but she'll grow "into" her kidney.  She may need further surgeries as she grows, but probably not.  She's bright, speaks clearly, can read a little, an draws a mean bunny rabbit. 

She's also afraid of mascot types, large costume suits, especially furry ones.  So they're putting off their Disney trip for another year to see if she grows out of it.  Wouldn't do to have her be cowering away from Mickey...


Sorry, what were we talking about? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Jun 2012, 02:11
We were talking about how everyone should go make sure that they're on the organ donor register, right now. Off you go.




Edit to add later: Just got my marks back from this year's exams. I got a 2.i, with three papers with solid 2.i percentages and two papers with low-ish 2.ii percentages which brought the whole thing down a bit. I'm happy with it, especially since I got 65% (my highest mark - 70% would be a first) on International, which you might remember is the one I have been struggling with this year, with a supervisor who predicted me a 2.ii.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 23 Jun 2012, 07:56
Could someone explain (cocisely) to a confused american academic what all the 2.i stuff means?  Or point me somewhere that does so? 

I mean, I'm glad you're happy with your grades, but I've no idea what any of this 2.i, 2.ii, stuff means.  What are the possible grades in this system? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 23 Jun 2012, 09:56
I had the same question. Here's an answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_undergraduate_degree_classification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_undergraduate_degree_classification).
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 23 Jun 2012, 10:38
The way it works here is that each paper is marked out of 200 and then converted into a percentage. 40% is a third (the lowest honours grade - below that you can only graduate with an Ordinary, which isn't really worth having), 50% a 2.ii, 60% a 2.i and 70% a 1st. 80% or above can get you a starred first, if the examiners all agree you merit it. I don't think anyone has got a starred 1st in law for years. Over 75% is very rare, and most people aim for a 2.i as a good grade. The marking conventions document makes a point of stating that getting close to the grade boundary is a "neutral" mark, which doesn't mean you weren't deemed worthy of the next class.

As that Wikipedia page points out, Cambridge doesn't give you an overall degree class. So far I have received a low 2.ii and a low 2.i, so next year I'm hoping for a low 1st! Well, at least an improvement on 60%.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 25 Jun 2012, 00:05
I hope you get it! What was weird this year was that although I was less than two percent from getting a first (my final overall mark was 68.1 and my third year mark was a low first), that actually works out to something like 14 marks from the next grade. So I was happy to get closure on the fact that a first was almost impossible if someone re-marked my exams this year.

I moved up half a grade this year, which I was really pleased about. Last year all my modules were 50% exams, which ended up ranging from mid-2.ii's to low firsts, and overall I ended up with a 65. This year, with two modules being 100% coursework and only having two exams, I ended up with a 71. Sometimes I think that exams in English are just completely pointless, and I would've obviously done a lot better sans examinations.

I await the long dark of graduate jobhunting...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 27 Jun 2012, 02:45
Clocking in at 9 minutes 21 seconds for the first practice of my ten-minute thesis presentation. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 27 Jun 2012, 07:54
Ten minutes?


Christ, my defense lasted three hours...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 27 Jun 2012, 07:57
It's only a bachelor's thesis, and my supervisor says I should expand it to fifteen minutes, which also leaves room for discussion. I couldn't fill three hours talking about one experiment if I wanted to!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 27 Jun 2012, 08:46
Mine probably spanned about 30 minutes over several different periods. Mostly because I had to keep going last and nobody would ask any questions. I honestly found it kind of annoying.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 27 Jun 2012, 09:53
Looking at abroad programs my university offers. Anyone have any country or school suggestions?

If it helps, I am majoring in biology
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 28 Jun 2012, 13:26
a third (the lowest honours grade

It used to be simply first/second/third/fourth, and still was at Oxford when I took my degree (so my 2nd is what is now called a 2i).  They changed third and fourth to 2ii and 3 to make them seem less bad, I guess.  And what you called an "ordinary" degree I call a "pass" degree - i.e. pass but no honours at all.

The effect of papers on grades can be more complex than simple cumulative percentages. My son's music degree (Cambridge) had high enough marks for a first - but one single paper (he'd felt poorly that day, he says) was graded 2ii, so he was prevented from being given a first by another rule.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jul 2012, 16:08
We were talking about how everyone should go make sure that they're on the organ donor register, right now. Off you go.
I forget if we already talked about this in Discuss, but I hate that being an organ donor is not mandatory, or at the very least, opt-out instead of opt-in.  If you are dead and therefore not using your organs, you have no business denying them from someone who needs them.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 06 Jul 2012, 10:20
Not as simple as it sounds...  most organs need to be in working order, which means you need the donor to be "brain dead", but still functional in most other ways.  When a family makes the decision to switch off life support for a donor, a transplant team moves in immediately.  Accident victims who are kept on CPR until their arrival at the hospital (DOA) are also candidates, so long as things are't too damaged.  Which is why it's on your driver's license in the US. 

Also, cancer survivors, those living with HIV, and others are not allowed to be donors, and some religions don't allow it (bodies eed to be intact).  With all these restrictios, opt-in works better. 

And thank you, Randall Munroe. 

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lego.png)

{{alt text: Dad, where is Grandpa right now?}}
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jul 2012, 11:04
I will never accept that the religion of a dead person trumps the life of a living person.  I know that doesn't matter, I know that it probably will never become mandatory, but I will never accept that.

I forgot about that xkcd, Randall Munroe said it better than I could ever dream of saying it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Jul 2012, 11:38
In reality it's not the religion of the dead person but that of the live survivors - at least if there are no clear or available instructions.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 06 Jul 2012, 12:55
People think the afterlife cares about what happens to your mortal form? What is this, ancient Egypt?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: pwhodges on 06 Jul 2012, 12:57
It's another time and place with humans in, yes.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Jul 2012, 14:10
Humans that will die because people want their relatives' corpses to look nice.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 06 Jul 2012, 16:47
I mean, I disagree with it too, but we have no right to take someone's organs if they specifically said for whatever purpose they don't want them taken. It's their body. Some people have spiritual beliefs that differ than ours about the body and it should be respected. I mean, a body is a body and once I'm dead, I'll have no use for it. I also strongly disagree with not cremating bodies, but I'm not going to tell people that they have to cremate their son, wife, father, or loved one. People can have a hard time letting go of the people they love, and that can include all parts.

Personally I am an organ donor, they can take whatever they want and then cremate me and bury my ashes beneath a tree. I don't need my organs, let alone a decomposing shell, and I want people to remember me how I looked when I was alive. I don't even go up to caskets anymore because of the same reason. Looking at my grandpa's body bothered me for the longest time, so I just don't do it anymore and I don't want people to do the same for me.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 06 Jul 2012, 19:00
I understand that viewing the body provides closure, an opportunity to witness to the end of a life. My wife didn't want that; she was cremated without embalming, and if my daughter consents, I'll go that way too. Clara wanted her ashes spread in the ivy below our pool, and with music: Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man. I'm not concerned with the act -- I emceed the memorial service six days after she died. But organizing the party that surrounds it is daunting. I'm dithering, and if I don't get going, it'll be fall. And yes, my organs can be donated. I'm on the fence about donating my body, even with the understanding that the ashes are eventually returned to my family.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 07 Jul 2012, 01:36
The fact is that the number of people who are not on the organ donor register for religious reasons is far lower than the number who are not on the register for reasons of apathy, squeamishness or general ignorance. I'd rather tackle those people first.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 07 Jul 2012, 08:00
I'll line them up, you start tackling.    :-D

Back to University/college.  I just got fired yesterday with no warning from an online school for "not meeting deadlines".  I taught for them twice in the last six months, a grad course (intro to stats for psych grad students) and got rave reviews from my students.  Yes, I lost two weeks of grading time when I got hit by a virus this session, and I told my supervisor.  I also got behind last time because I got hit by a car.  In both cases, I caught up before the course ended. 

I dunno who I pissed off...


So on that note, anyone in here ever take courses online?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Omega Entity on 07 Jul 2012, 08:23
I was in a video game design program (Bachelor's of Science with a focus in Game Art and Design) at an online school (Westwood. Way overpriced for what you get!). Most expensive, and frankly, useless courses I've ever taken. I understand it was an 'accelerated' program (in that they cram a semester's coursework into something like 10 weeks), but I felt that it just wasn't in-depth enough in anything that we were supposed to be learning - it felt like he touched on the highlights of the subject (often without enough explanation), and then we were shuffled off to the next course load.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 09 Jul 2012, 07:21
I took two courses online- Art Criticism and Intermediate French II. Art crit was a total joke for me because I was one of two art students in the course, so the professor hung on my every word. I don't even think she read everything I handed in, she just stuck an A on it and called it a day. Didn't help that I learned absolutely everything they were teaching in high school and/or my intro art ed classes and I took the course right before student teaching. It was fun to talk about art, but I definitely didn't learn anything.


French was TOUGH. I'm fairly well versed in the language (studied it for....4 years? I think), but it was an intensive 6 week summer class and there was always so much to do. We flew through a 50 page chapter a week. We had anywhere from 10-12 homework assignments per week. Everything from recorded responses and forum discussions to current event synopses and essays (on top of all the exercises in the book). Our weekly "quizzes" took about 3 hours to complete. We also read a short novel through the course and had to write responses to that in addition to our other homework. The professor was really helpful, online all the time and responded to a lot of our forum discussions, so I think that helped a LOT. By the end of those 6 weeks, I actually started thinking in French.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 01 Nov 2012, 07:59
I wonder if my Matlab programming instructor will mind that I entered my student number in prime factors on my assignments.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 01 Nov 2012, 08:09
Depends.  Is he in Math, or CS? 

The difference is between amused and annoyed. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 01 Nov 2012, 08:22
I have had 3 online courses, all education related, and I honestly do not like them.

The first one was supposed to be about learners with special needs and how teachers can help them. First off, it was only about students with learning disabilities and nothing was mentioned about how to deal with students who have physical handicaps. Also because of the book and assignments, I learned virtually nothing in that class. Not a single assignment made me do more than copy/paste from stuff we were supposed to read. There was no challenge whatsoever and honestly barely even related to art education. I felt like it was a waste of my time.

The second one was highly repetitive of stuff I'd already learned, so while I enjoyed the content, it was redundant. It was also super easy because it was during the summer and the teacher had a baby in the middle of the course, so she had to make it easier on herself so she could grade everything. So while I liked it, learning was low.

The one I'm in right now has interesting content, but again, a large portion of it is redundant. It's about multi-cultural education, which while I understand not a lot of education programs teach about this, the art education department is ALL ABOUT multicultural education. It's not only a part of what I've been learning, it's already incorporated into how I teach. Also this class is FULL of busy work and they're due on multiple days throughout the week and in such a way that you can't do everything in advance. It's annoying. I can't work at a pace I'm comfortable with, unlike other classes that only meet once a week. I mean, I'm learning a considerable amount, but I really just hate the format and feel like I would learn SO much more if this class met in person. Also it would do away with busy work, which I absolutely hate. This isn't high school, this is grad school, I think we're beyond busy work, especially since it's pretty much proven to do nothing to improve learning.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 01 Nov 2012, 09:00
That is frustrating - busy work drives me mad and generally I just don't have to do it any more (I object strenuously to the fact that I have to do a whole busy-work course in order to graduate with a qualifying law degree; I'm tempted just not to do the final module and thereby guarantee I'll never be a lawyer). Does it help to look at the course as simply hoop-jumping to get a certificate that evidences what you already know?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 01 Nov 2012, 09:07
Depends.  Is he in Math, or CS? 

The difference is between amused and annoyed. 
Neither. He's in computational neuroscience. What do you make of that?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 01 Nov 2012, 09:16
Definitely annoyed. 


But also a little intrigued. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 01 Nov 2012, 09:39
Does it help to look at the course as simply hoop-jumping to get a certificate that evidences what you already know?

This is my last semester and I only have a month and half until I graduate. I am definitely jumping through hoops to get to my degree, but I honestly am finding it hard to care about how sloppily I'm doing it. I was really burnt out once I finished my thesis and I am so used to quarters, I feel like I should be done by now. (Quarters were 10 weeks. It's week 10 of the semester and I have 4-5 weeks of class left, ugh.) 2/4 of the classes I'm taking I NEED to graduate and the online class is one of them. Mostly I'm just frustrated they ONLY offered it as an online class while others are usually offered as both. (The education dept. is very large and also does quite a bit of distance learning, so most education classes [not art ed, we're a separate but connected entity] are offered online in addition to being taught in classrooms. They are also almost always offered every semester, including summer.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 20 Dec 2012, 14:53
I need a C in english to transfer to university. I don't really know what I am doing for this final paper. If I don't turn in the final I fail the course and will have to take it for a 3rd time. Maybe I just don't need to go to a university.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 20 Dec 2012, 15:29
What's your english class' focus? Or do you get to write about anything?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Dec 2012, 16:16
I'm applying to law school, hoping to get into Northeastern in Boston.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Jace on 20 Dec 2012, 16:26
What's your english class' focus? Or do you get to write about anything?

Literature, as such I am writing about the film Glory (1989) which we watched in class. It was the most literature-light literature course I've ever been in.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 Mar 2013, 15:38
I'm having a bit of a nightmare with the bibliography for my dissertation. I've never had to make one before and I have no idea how to do it. All the free software I can find either doesn't integrate with Scrivener, which is what I'm using to write, or is confusing and complicated and I can't get it to work. Help!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 17 Mar 2013, 16:24
What format do you have to use?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 17 Mar 2013, 16:27
I know next to nothing about the subject, but Googling around Scrivener and bibliography turned up an app called Zotero with some favorable comments. I didn't get any impression of learning curve. My experience with bibliography never went past 3 x 5 cards.

I've wondered what had happened to you. I've missed your smiling face and incisors ... um, your incisive observations.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: bainidhe_dub on 17 Mar 2013, 16:46
This blog post (http://prelimsandbeyond.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/scrivener-bibliography/) talks about using just Scrivener for bibliographies and she's basically in love with it. I've only used Scrivener for NaNo noveling so I'm not familiar with all of its functions but maybe it will have some useful ideas?
Here are some people talking about using Scrivener with Zotero (http://mossiso.com/2012/04/12/scrivener-and-zotero.html) and Bookends (http://dissertationhowto.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/using-scrivener-with-bibliographic-software/) bibliography manager programs.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Mar 2013, 01:01
Can we assume the panic isn't about bibloigraphing in general? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 18 Mar 2013, 03:32
We don't have to use any particular format at all, but I think I am going to be using Harvard style, except with the Author Name (date) in footnotes instead of the text. The footnotes are included in the word count, the bibliography is not, so this makes most sense to me.

I've downloaded Zotero but I can't figure out how to use the damn thing. I'm also overwhelmed by the fact that I already have fifty+ references to input. Bookends looked amazing but sadly it's Mac only as far as I can tell, and I'm on a PC.

My conclusion at the moment is that I'll just have to make the bibliography manually (as in, copy the references from the Scrivener index cards for the file into a document and then alphabetise them) which will work, but I was wondering if anyone has any magical ideas about how to make this less soul-destroyingly boring.

(Bob, I'm taking a bit of a break from the QC forum - I still come on most days and lurk a bit but I'm not posting as much at the moment.)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 18 Mar 2013, 07:05
Can you hire someone to do it for you, or to tutor you?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 18 Mar 2013, 07:51
I've never used anything to manage my citations other than eazybib.com, but for software  A lot of people I know use Endnote and have had nice things to say.  The main problem is it is not free, or even cheap ($113 student price).  The reason people I know use it is the man who invented it is a professor at my school, so students can get it installed on their laptops for free.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 18 Mar 2013, 10:34
Does the university have a thesis/dissertation service?  They may have recommendations or people (or even some proprietary software) that can help. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 18 Mar 2013, 10:47
Can it be on line, files sent, prepared, returned?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jwhouk on 18 Mar 2013, 18:45
Being a psych student, I always used APA style for citations. Of course, that was back when I used my word processor to print up my papers, one page at a time.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Papersatan on 18 Mar 2013, 19:50
I had a class with the professor who made Endnote.  The only assignments were two research papers and he offered us little to go on about his expectations.  One student asked about his preferred citation style, because she was intimidated by his past and was worried we would be graded on formatting.  He laughed and said he couldn't care less.  I guess people always assume he came up with his invention because he was a stickler for citations, but it was quite the opposite; he made the software because he thought reformatting citations to meet the standards of some journal was a wast of time. 

I always use MLA because my background is in English.  I think in grad school though every professor has told me they don't care how we cite  as long as we are citing when we need to.  I think the domain of "information science" doesn't have a preferred method, so it is just assumed you will worry about a format if/when you try to submit it somewhere.

On submission standards, I had a professor tell me recently she has a friend who worked for the NSF and her main job was measuring the margins on research proposals.  If your margins were not exactly as specified in the submission guidelines your proposal was just thrown away. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 19 Mar 2013, 01:59
Goodness, I'm glad we haven't got specifications like that. I've decided to go with a modified Vancouver style (apparently more usually used for medical papers but never mind), except that I can't present a numerically-ordered reference list; the one specification for format is that the bibliography must be alphabetical by author's surname.

And I think I'll just do it by hand, it's only a 12,000 word dissertation so it won't have thousands of citations.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 19 Mar 2013, 21:59
How do you tell someone you're tutoring that there's no way in hell they're going to make it through the course? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: TRVA123 on 20 Mar 2013, 00:19
very directly. I've had to do this once or twice.

I laid out two choices, either they would have to spend at least 3 hours a day on the subject, every day, in earnest study, or they should drop the course.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: GarandMarine on 20 Mar 2013, 02:13
My history professor might actually hate us... we've had back to back papers for the last two months (5-6 pages, not much but a pain when it's cited material) and apparently we've supposed to have been doing a research paper on top of that...
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 20 Mar 2013, 11:29
I'm kinda at a loss about what to do when I finish my BA this spring.

On one side, I have good enough grades to get into all of the available Comp Sci master courses. I could also go to other places in the country - there's a research laboratory (Simula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simula_Research_Laboratory), named after Simula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simula)), which offers masters programs. And I really like Computer Science, I really do, so I could definitely do my MA, and do well, and do some interesting work.

It's just that I'm skipping lectures pretty badly now, simply because I don't want to go. I'm probably gonna have to skip a course completely (I have a buffer of one course more than what's normal already done, so it'll not hurt my BA completion time, or my grades, if I just drop it), and I'm not really that motivated to do my assignments. I'm spending half of the time I should be spending working on school stuff playing games or watching youtube videos or generally being lazy, and the other half making this cute little game in Unity.

It probably comes down to that my real motivation all along has been programming games. It's really fun to program and make stuff work - but I want to make games work, not just any piece of software. I wanna work with games, and people who are passionate about games. I'm sitting on most of the skill set I need to be able to do that, and there's not really any masters programs that gets me closer to that. I should probably still take a masters - it'll look good no matter what I end up doing, and I'll get some extended insight into some interesting field, but I'm really unsure if I'll be able to pick up the motivation required.

I'll have to apply shortly, and I'm really not sure what to do. :(
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 20 Mar 2013, 15:05
I don't know much about the games industry, but you don't have to apply right now for grad school... a year or so to figure out what you want to do isn't unusual, soo long as you keep your skill set fresh. 

Have you looked into finding a job with a gaming company that may help pay for your grad degree while you work there? 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 20 Mar 2013, 17:32
Problem is, there isn't many big companies here in Norway - there's a ton of small indies, so I might apply to some, but those usually cannot hire until they've gotten something shipped, and there's not many that's done that quite yet.

The alternative is moving to the states, and if I want to pull something like that, I'll need a more impressive resume first.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 20 Mar 2013, 19:52
I'm applying to law school, hoping to get into Northeastern in Boston.
So when I took the LSATs I didn't do that well (not bad, but not great) because I didn't study. I'm studying now to retake in June, which means I won't start law school until fall 2014. Anyone here a lawyer/law student? I thought I remember Barmy mentioning that, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: MisterHeal on 21 Mar 2013, 16:17
@Snalin Often times, Video Game Companies aren't looking for fresh grads, they generally only higher people who already have programming experince in another programming field. Thats generally how it works if you apply for a big company. Often times you can get into a startup, but a lot of times you wont get paid because its a startup.

I'm getting a degree in Computer Science, and I really don't know if i Iwant to get a Masters either but I do know I want to try and do my own startup. I've been convinced the best time to start your own business is when you don't have a house to pay down, or a family depending on a steady income. If you can live in your parents basement (And be movitated) you could make a cute little company for yourself, then you can higher fresh grads.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 Mar 2013, 15:54
I am a law student, but caveat: I'm a law student in the UK, which is a totally different thing. I'm doing a BA in Law, and I am currently only doing one paper which would look like law to an American law school (and that's on the law of the European Union, not exactly relevant in the US!). However, if I can be of any use I'm happy to answer questions. We don't have LSATs here though. I'm not sure what those are.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 22 Mar 2013, 18:59
The standardized test you take to get into law school.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 23 Mar 2013, 08:58
Law School Admission Test
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 23 Mar 2013, 19:14
Yep. And I haven't studied that much this week, should get better habits starting next week.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 25 Apr 2013, 21:44
Holy crap, one of the schools that accepted me just sent me another offer...this time for a full ride. Free tuition for all three years, with no stipulation other than good academic standing. Looks like I'm going back to school this fall after all!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Loki on 25 Apr 2013, 21:55
Congratulations!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: GarandMarine on 26 Apr 2013, 00:21
Congrats MoM!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Masterpiece on 26 Apr 2013, 00:42
Wow that sounds great, congratulations.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Apr 2013, 04:22
Thanks, guys!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Akima on 27 Apr 2013, 02:27
Holy crap, one of the schools that accepted me just sent me another offer...this time for a full ride.
Yay! Congratulations!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 27 Apr 2013, 05:31
Good work! Can you tell us what school and what program?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2013, 06:18
Absolutely! University of New Hampshire's law school, gonna be starting in August.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ChaoSera on 27 Apr 2013, 16:10
So you'll be living (or already do?) relatively close to Jeph?
While I'm at it, does Jeph still live in New Hampshire? I have no idea if he does, to be honest.

Either way, congratulations. :)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Redball on 27 Apr 2013, 16:32
Jeph's in Northampton MA, about a third of the way across the state east from the New York border.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: ChaoSera on 27 Apr 2013, 16:36
Oh, right... I somehow thought it was New Hampshire. Well, nevermind then. Guess I got confused due to the 'hamp' in both names. I dunno.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: celticgeek on 27 Apr 2013, 16:47
All about Northampton, Massachusetts, including information on Jeph. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northampton,_Massachusetts)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 27 Apr 2013, 17:44
Well I live in New Jersey, about 3-4 hours from Jeph. I'm moving to Concord, New Hampshire, which is about 2 hours from Jeph. So...a little closer.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 24 May 2013, 06:22
I was planning to e-mail a professor of Lund University to ask about an internship opportunity on hypnosis, but looking at his past research I see some mentions of precognition and telepathy as well, which makes me somewhat wary. I would like to know more about hypnosis as a legitimate experimental method but I'm worried that the researchers involved in it are too much into those other way-out-there theories.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 24 May 2013, 08:46
Check it out, there's still legitimate research into that stuff - most of it of the debunking nature, but still... Oh, and how old is he?  The research may have been done back when such stuff was trying hard to go mainstream. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: LTK on 25 May 2013, 16:24
It doesn't say how old he is but he doesn't look older than 40. The research itself could very well be entirely rigorous, but that doesn't really make me less prejudiced against the subject. I'll have to read up on it.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Radical AC on 29 May 2013, 23:52
Holy crap, one of the schools that accepted me just sent me another offer...this time for a full ride. Free tuition for all three years, with no stipulation other than good academic standing. Looks like I'm going back to school this fall after all!

That is so cool.  I want to go to law school and eventually work for the foreign service.  I just took a job with State Farm in Tempe, AZ to save up.  They do tuition reimbursement so I might try to get an MBA first through ASU.  I graduated with a Poly Sci degree last December, but my GPA wasn't great, B- (I switched majors and actually got near straight As my last year, though).  I reallyreally want to get into University of Washington's JD/MAIS(master of international studies) program where I would learn Chinese.  It sort of feels like a pipe dream right now, I am not sure how to go about it.  A career in insurance is not a bad one, but it just isn't what I want to do with my life, you know?  I am just starting and I am going to dive in full force, but dread finding myself here in middle age.  What kind of scholarship did you get, because that would be huge for me if I could land one of those.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 May 2013, 07:24
It was a scholarship directly from the school, covering three years of tuition. University of New Hampshire School of Law, although I'm not sure I'd recommend it if you want to stay on the west coast.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: celticgeek on 30 May 2013, 07:32
@Radical AC:  Welcome to Arizona.  We live in Chandler, and like living here. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 03 Jun 2013, 08:43
Congrats MoM!

So I am going to have to make a decision this year and I'm looking for advice from mature and unbiased people:

My parents moved 2-3 months ago to a college town, much better than the one that I currently go to. After I complete my 2nd year of college, they want me to go to the university in the town they now live in. Nothing against this town or the school, it's actually very nice. But I don't want to have to switch schools AGAIN (I went to about 5 different school systems in  grade school).

I've made friends and connections at my school and I don't want to start over socially and perhaps professionally a little over halfway through my undergrad
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jun 2013, 09:34
I'd visit the school and see what you think then.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thrillho on 03 Jun 2013, 14:47
I'd say your parents being in the same town as the university is a dealbreaker. University is part of moving into adulthood (not that everyone goes through it) like a dry run for living by yourself. I say be as far from your parents as you can be without them being inaccessible. Also changing midway through a degree is a lot more of a 'thing' than changing midway through school.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jun 2013, 14:55
I'd disagree with both. I commuted from home to university, after intending on staying for a year and transferring far away, but stayed because I actually really liked the local university. Is it for everyone? No, but it's hardly a dealbreaker, especially if you can still dorm. As for transferring, the beginning of third year is actually a very common time to transfer, and as long as they have your program and don't fuck you on credits, it's probably not as big a deal as it could be.

Like I said, though, visit the school, talk to professors (and the students that are there for summer classes), and if you like it enough, go there. If not, stay where you are. You can really make either option work.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Loki on 03 Jun 2013, 15:56
I am actually with Gareth on this one, but my relationship with my mother isn't exactly great, so I was quite glad to move away. Thus, I am biased.

I say check the school out and do what YOU want, not what THEY want you to want.

Discaimer: I have no experience with changing university whatsoever, particularly not in your education system.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 03 Jun 2013, 16:13
I say check the school out and do what YOU want, not what THEY want you to want.
I think this is the most important part. I've never transferred, but I know plenty of people who did, and how well it works really depends on how cooperative the school is. So if you can talk to people who have transferred there, their advice is more valuable than anyone else's, probably.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Loki on 03 Jun 2013, 16:18
Clarification: by "they" I originally meant the parents, but I realize that extends to others as well.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 03 Jun 2013, 16:27
...as long as they have your program and don't fuck you on credits, it's probably not as big a deal as it could be.

Check this first.  It's an easy way to say "no" to your parents without it getting personal.  You'd be surprised how many credits you can lose by changing schools... I had a transfer student whose school had three 4 credit calculus courses.  Ours had four 3 credit courses.  They transferred his 3 courses, but at 3 credits each, so he lost 3 and had to retake the last course to get credit for the full sequence.  It was all stuff he'd already done, too.  Some schools have articulation agreements to avoid this kind of problem, but a lot of them don't!

The second school's admissions office should be able to tell you what will transfer and what won't. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 04 Jun 2013, 07:22
THIS, SO MUCH.


I transferred within the SUNY system and a lot of my credits transferred because of that but I knew plenty of people who weren't so lucky. And check out what your credits transfer as. I had taken 3 art history courses and 4 English courses at my first school but it turned out that I still hadn't met the art history OR English requirements for my second school. I had to take their prerequisite AH & ENG courses after I had taken multiple upper levels already. So bizarre.

But, as long as you don't get screwed on your credits, I wouldn't say that going to college in a town your parents live in is a deal breaker. Nothing says you have to live with them- dorms are awesome. If you can handle living with them and feel that they can respect your freedom, it could be a great way to save money. You can still keep in touch with your contacts via email/FB/linkedin and you could even meet up with them if it's not too far. Perhaps for professional development stuff? Can't remember if you mentioned what you are going for, but most fields generally offer conferences/workshops/etc. that may be a good way to maintain contact with the connections you've made thus far. And distance could hinder friendships, but only if you let it.  :-)

Hope this helps!!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 07 Jun 2013, 11:56
Thanks for the advice guys!
I'm actually going to graduate a year earlier than I thought if I do summer classes next year (I already have a semester from AP credits from highschool), which I probably will. Meaning if I did transfer, I would just have 1 year of undergrad left at my new school. And I would much rather graduate with people and friends I know, than classmates who I just met. So I'll be staying at my current university.

Also, age-old college question: How do you guys suggest I go about getting textbooks cheaper? I know there's Amazon and other websites, but I don't really want to risk all that money and get ripped off.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 07 Jun 2013, 12:08
Check out campusbooks.com- they compare prices with all of the cheapy book sellers out there. I had the best luck with Alibris and AbeBooks when I had to buy textbooks. Also- check out the syllabus for the classes before you spring for the book. I had a few professors who listed numerous books for one class, but if you read the syllabus you'd see that they only referred to certain books once or twice in the whole semester. For those? Head to the library- either local or on campus. Some libraries will do an interlibrary loan if they don't have what you need but another one they can borrow from does.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Loki on 07 Jun 2013, 12:39
Also, you should obviously consider using (legit) online sources whenever possible if you don't really need the book(s). What are you studying, if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 08 Jun 2013, 14:26
Well, my major is chemistry. And I have two chem courses this semester (Organic chem and and Chem Analysis) But I also need books for intro to Anthropology, Personal finance, and Math
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Loki on 08 Jun 2013, 14:45
Depending on what you are doing in Math, Khan Academy (https://www.khanacademy.org/) can be a great source.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 08 Jun 2013, 21:53
Ugh. 

OK, some of his stuff is good, and he has great enthusiasm, but the first few things of his I saw were riddled with errors, sloppy notation and language, and ... just ugh. 

There is a lot of good stuff out there, though.  But Salman Khan is not all he's cracked up to be. 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 09 Jun 2013, 13:14
Got my first year results. They're slightly above average! Whoo!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 23 Jun 2013, 13:17
Congratulations (:

I just got a letter from the Student Loans Company (ironic that they're based in Glasgow given Scottish nationals get free education).

I started paying back my student loan out of my paycheck in April. I thought this was a good thing - its only £12, but hey, that's £12 I'm paying back!

Turns out I'm hitting a (very secretive and unbeknownst to me until today) interest rate of roughly £26 a month on this loan. Which means I'm obviously not making a dent in this yet. Kind of have no idea what to do. I wanted to take a year out and live in New Zealand but now I'm thinking I should concentrate on getting a higher-salaried job to combat this ridiculous amount of debt I completely forgot about!

Still...I wouldn't trade the student experience for any other.

dr nervioso - Google Books has been a life-saver for me but then I took English so it's probably easier to find literature on GB than Chemistry textbooks. Still, give it a look. That and JSTOR.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Jun 2013, 12:52
Lupercal, why the fuck are you worrying about paying back a debt that doesn't effect your credit rating and will disappear entirely after 25 years?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lupercal on 25 Jun 2013, 13:10
Because part of me is shit scared when you get a letter through the post saying you owe £21,000?

If it does disappear after 25 years...that's not too bad. Initial shock has passed anyway.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: mtmerrick on 25 Jun 2013, 14:49
I am now officially registered at Miramar College! Woo!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Masterpiece on 25 Jun 2013, 14:51
woohooo! good job mtmerrick!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: dr. nervioso on 25 Jun 2013, 17:25
Just got my loan information today, part of it is missing.

Really hope it's a stupid mistake and I don't have to spend forever on the phone with the annoying people from financial aid.

I swear the person who invented this system was a sadist
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: lepetitfromage on 25 Jun 2013, 18:43
I am now officially registered at Miramar College! Woo!

Woo! That's awesome! Congrats :-)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 26 Jun 2013, 08:44
Just got my loan information today, part of it is missing.

Really hope it's a stupid mistake and I don't have to spend forever on the phone with the annoying people from financial aid.

I swear the person who invented this system was a sadist

You may find that some of it's already been used to pay various things at the college.  That's often done automatically, and you only receive the balance. 


And yes, bureaucratic sadism is a real thing.   
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Jun 2013, 11:32
So I graduated my law degree with a 2.i yesterday and tomorrow I register for my midwifery course. Also hi, I'm not dead.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: jwhouk on 30 Jun 2013, 11:48
Woot! :)
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jun 2013, 11:58
Congrats! What's a 2.i?
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Loki on 30 Jun 2013, 12:06
My first though was it's a 2 plus an imaginary fraction.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Barmymoo on 30 Jun 2013, 13:48
Second class, first division. In terms most people would understand, I got 62%. A 2.i is a standard "good grade". A 1st is the best, a 2.ii is less good and a 3rd isn't a lot of use.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Jun 2013, 14:03
A 62% is a good grade? I'll never understand English percent grades, on my side of the pond a 62% is, depending on the school, either failing or barely passing.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: cesium133 on 30 Jun 2013, 14:06
Even on this side of the pond it varies in a lot of cases... when I took graduate-level Elecrodynamics, I got a 35% for the course (9% on one of the exams), and I got an A because it was the highest grade in the class.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 30 Jun 2013, 14:07
If you set your standards higher, the percentage cutoffs for a good student will be lower. 


US standards are set at "woeful". 

Also, curving like Cesium133 describes is criminal.  I realize it makes up for unrealistic testing and grading, but it clearly wasn't measuring what you'd learned in the course. 

What it doesn't do is measure how much of or how well you've learned the material! 
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Welu on 30 Jun 2013, 14:08
Yay, Barmymoo! For the 2.i and being alive!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Pilchard123 on 30 Jun 2013, 14:12
Yay, BM (EDIT: Not a good initialism) Barmymoo! Grats! I was only wondering recently how you were doing nowadays.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: snalin on 30 Jun 2013, 15:42
A 62% is a good grade? I'll never understand English percent grades, on my side of the pond a 62% is, depending on the school, either failing or barely passing.

Some places 80%+ just... doesn't happen. By definition. Grading systems are bonkers more often than not.

So I might have gotten into my Masters or I might not. A letter from the school is on the other side of the country. Gonna have to make my roomies scan it or something. Of course, there should be no way I didn't get in, but I've heard nothing from the Uni and other people have been posting of FB that they got in (but in other institutes) and I worry I guess.
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Lines on 30 Jun 2013, 20:26
So I graduated my law degree with a 2.i yesterday and tomorrow I register for my midwifery course. Also hi, I'm not dead.

Hooray!
Title: Re: University/College
Post by: Carl-E on 01 Jul 2013, 00:44
Snalin, just open the damn thing. 



Stop keeping us in suspense!