photos of Dora - that she doesn't remember posing for.....
photos of Dora - that she doesn't remember posing for.....
...shaving.
Marten may not have saved any of it, but in 112 Pintsize claimed to have downloaded a lot on Marten's behalf.
shaving? (http://www.baldfemale.com/)
I....I was just joking, I really didn't know that website existed. That uh...that's seriously kinda hot :-o
Well, here comes crazy-bitch versus pushover fight.Well, it should make the anger-fans happy, anyway.
"...regular, normal smut".That a serious question?
Okay, I'm going to open (Pan)Dora's box on this:
What exactly would that entail?
Cue "Dora is a Bitch" posts in three, two...They'd have a point, you know. Just because you can predict a reaction before it happens doesn't make the reaction any less valid.
"...regular, normal smut".That a serious question?
Okay, I'm going to open (Pan)Dora's box on this:
What exactly would that entail?
Cause I could answer. I consider myself something of an expert in that field.
Like he said, it was about privacy more than anything.
Plus, you gotta figure, Marty's still got some of that simpering-fury leftover from the last time Dora was a bitch. At least this time he gave her a direct statement before taking his ball and going home. Quite a feat since he's already home. Why ain't this kid making his asshole girlfriend get the hell out when she pulls this shit? Why's he always the one leaving? He hasn't DONE anything. He NEVER does anything.
WHOA, Dora. That... is so not ok. Snooping on a partner's computer is generally not ok, but when said partner has expressly said he was not comfortable with sharing that and considered it private, to just go and wholly and immediately disregard that? WHOA.totally agree here. Marten is in the right IMHO. I would act the same way, granted my girlfriend is aware of the porn I like. But if its something he doesnt want to talk about or for her to know out of embarrassment or because he likes to keep it private, she should not be going out of her way and doing it anyways.
Am I the only one who is totally lost as to why Marten doesn't want his committed girlfriend, whom he has already had sex with countless times, from seeing his porn collection? Hell, from the way they were talking on Friday, I was afraid she was going to pull it up with Faye right there. That would have been over the line.
For that matter, are we assuming this is the first time this porn has seen the light of day in quite some time? Because, to my mind, it's kinda bad form to date a real person and keep seeing Rosie Palms on the side (exeptions made for touching yourself to porn of your significant other, or memories of them, or whatever). But I'm really the wrong person to ask about such things. Maybe y'all can clue me in on how things work these days and make me a less-wrong person.
Uh... he didn't leave. He went into the bedroom. Take a look at the door behind them in the half-frame before the SLAM!.
Actually - yeah, it is a question. I mean, unless it's like a bunch of Maxim photoshoots, it's probably nothing like what's out there on the net...Ok, wasn't actually expecting a yes, but what the hell.
Or Dora found the decoy folderYES! :-o
Or Dora found the decoy folder
Holy cow, I was actually right, it WAS a test on Martin's part.Except you're wrong, it was no test.
I don't think it's likely they'll break up.Uh. I think thats not so un-likely now.
Really.....what kinda sensible person would leave their job to go see what porn their S.O. has on their computer?The person who are their own boss, obviously.
Or Dora found the decoy folder
This.
The real stuff is hidden in a folder labelled 'tax records 2004-2006'
Really.....what kinda sensible person would leave their job to go see what porn their S.O. has on their computer?The person who are their own boss, obviously.
Except you're wrong, it was no test.
He told her he didnt want to, and she openly went for it, so it raised his fears and he had to check.
At no point did he want to test Dora.
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Except you're wrong, it was no test.
He told her he didnt want to, and she openly went for it, so it raised his fears and he had to check.
At no point did he want to test Dora.
Well, telling me I'm wrong is one of the great tactics of debate, I suppose, but I'll respectfully disagree. I specifically disagree with your characterization of Martin's actions, there is no 'raising of fears' because he knew precisely what was going to happen as soon as she left after that discussion. By following her, he clearly was expecting to catch her in the act. What other possibility would you suggest?
When I say he was testing her, I will point out that he could have avoided all of this by saying it was perfectly vanilla, which it is, and which would have resulted in Dora ceasing to ask questions. Just before this, he was willing to talk about intensely personal, highly sexual subjects with no hangups whatsoever. Blithely dodging the question would have been perfectly fitting with everything we've seen of Martin's character- it's this latest business that is the aberration, and thus I suspect that it is artificial on Martin's part. I will not claim this process is necessarily conscious, though.
By writing better.
I'd argue that having characters debated means that he's doing his job well. If everybody had the same interpretations of each character, things would just be boring.how do I block this thread from my computers for the next weekBy writing better.
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I can only imagine that they have awesome makeup sex considering how hard Dora works at screwing things up like this.maybe thats why she screws things up...
Can't believe this needs to be said, but he's not going to dump Dora.
Yeah, I'm going to jump into the "Dora was just looking to start something" side of the ring here. You could basically tell thats what was happening by her facial expressions through the entire strip.
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When I say he was testing her, I will point out that he could have avoided all of this by saying it was perfectly vanilla, which it is, and which would have resulted in Dora ceasing to ask questions.So, in your opinion, the right way to prevent your SO to pry into your personal space is to give it up entirely?
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13 pages by Sunday *slaps five on table*10 tops. *antes up*
Yeah, I'm going to jump into the "Dora was just looking to start something" side of the ring here. You could basically tell thats what was happening by her facial expressions through the entire strip.
Especially the second panel of the last strip, she looked more upset than 'aw, c'mon it's just porn!' I think the whole 'there are things I don't want you to know/see' set off her insecurity alarm, wholly believable, especially considering her past relationships - things her boyfriends don't want her to see/know about probably automatically equals 'bad things' in her mind. I can see her being a person who thinks that they can't/shouldn't keep -anything- from one another, and in this comic seems annoyed that it's really just nothing.
I can see her sitting there thinking 'Why -was- this such a big deal?? What does that mean, that there's things he won't share with me?' - turning this into a thing about the very fact he wouldn't tell her, the porn standing for Something Else.
They're not going to break up, Dora's just going to have to see that yes, Virgina, you can be in a great relationship and totally in love and still not share -every little detail- of yourself with your S.O. Me, I love my bf to death and back but there ain't no way in hell he's gonna be allowed to rifle through my personal porn folder. In the words of Martin - That's private!
Still love ya Dora!
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But it's the confusion over Marten's reaction that really shows what's going on. Dora's always been a lot more open sexually than the people around her, and it confuses her that Marten, who's open to her, would have this sticking point. She stepped over a boundary that she didn't see, and doesn't understand the alarms that just went off.
She will, soon enough.
They won't break up. Even if Jeph felt like taking THAT big a risk in the comic (not impossible: see strip 500!), it won't be right after he's just started Fangus going. More emo drama about whether Faye and Marten are MEANT TO BE and whether it will break an existing relationship is about the last thing anyone wants to see.
By writing better.
I hope that was a joke.
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Well, telling me I'm wrong is one of the great tactics of debate, I suppose, but I'll respectfully disagree. I specifically disagree with your characterization of Martin's actions, there is no 'raising of fears' because he knew precisely what was going to happen as soon as she left after that discussion. By following her, he clearly was expecting to catch her in the act. What other possibility would you suggest?
When I say he was testing her, I will point out that he could have avoided all of this by saying it was perfectly vanilla, which it is, and which would have resulted in Dora ceasing to ask questions. Just before this, he was willing to talk about intensely personal, highly sexual subjects with no hangups whatsoever. Blithely dodging the question would have been perfectly fitting with everything we've seen of Martin's character- it's this latest business that is the aberration, and thus I suspect that it is artificial on Martin's part. I will not claim this process is necessarily conscious, though.
Friday: They watch his porn together. Then Dora start singing a song about love and little birdies and squirrels appear out of nowhere and sing along. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FriendToAllLivingThings)
Is couples arguing with each other some kind of fetish I'm unaware of?
Rule 34, iduguphergrave, rule 34.
There are NO exceptions!
Also, what the hell is Pintsize talking about in the last panel? Is couples arguing with each other some kind of fetish I'm unaware of?
DRAMA[sup][size=4pt]TM[/size][/sup]Well, who else is going to self-sabotage them? :lol:Nobody .. for it would then be just sabotage, not self-sabotage ! :-D
And for many people I know porn is something very personal, as well. It has to do with your most intimate fantasies--and sometimes fantasies that are very different from what you want to have in your actual sexlife, which may be hard for other people to understand. Having sex with someone, once or multiple times, doesn't mean you are comfortable sharing THAT information about you... because you'd have to not just utterly trust them, but also trust them not to ever mock or belittle or in any way scoff at your preferences, and the thing is, that's often the go-to reaction of people seeing someone else's porn.So what's the point in having fantasies, if you don't want to make them true? I agree with you about the privacy between couples, but i don't believe that if you have a fantasy, then you want your sex-life to be completly different to it.
[1950's educational film]This. This thirty four millions times.
You see kids, when two grown-ups are in a relationship that's even half-way serious, they, from time to time, do things that piss the other one off.
Then they fight. As they fight, they get to know each other better. Sometimes they find things out about each other that they just can't live with, like the other one is a communist or is secretly a mafia informant or enjoys giving anonymous blow jobs to strangers hiding in the bushes of the down-town park every Thursday night. But most of the time, it's stupid shit like stop forgetting to put the toothpaste cap back on or forgetting to put the toilet lid down or leaving her bras hanging from the shower curtain.
When that happens they yell at each other for a time and then they get over it.
And then they get to have make-up sex...
[/1950's educational film] that's quite enough of that...
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I don't think this is a hanging offense, as it were. He's gonna be mad, she's gonna say she's sorry, and then they'll talk about why what she did bothers him.
And then there will be cookies...
It's what the grown-ups do.
I would imagine that now that the comic is out, the poll will be changed. :roll:
And when you mentioned that, I immediately thought of this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1220).
(Boy, whose mind is in the gutter today?)
So what's the point in having fantasies, if you don't want to make them true? I agree with you about the privacy between couples, but i don't believe that if you have a fantasy, then you want your sex-life to be completly different to it.Have you never fantasized about making out with "that hot girl that lives just down the street and has double D"™ or with the girl that made you go "whoa, nice butt"™ in high-school or just imagined yourself being the dude in the porn you were watching? (Insert appropriate fantasies here if you are female). But if presented the oppotunity, would you really do it? I hardly think so because you know that in reality, that one girl kicks her dog, the highschool-girl, is, in fact, The Libby (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLibby), and admit it, you are nowhere bendy enough to perform THAT position the guy in the movie just did. Fantasizing is one thing, but it doesn't at all mean you would want to make it true.
But Dora is not all to blame for this. Faye is at fault as well. I don't think she's reminded Dora of the potential consequences of her actions http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=459 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=459)
I didn't think I'd have to say this again but...
Rule 34, iduguphergrave, rule 34.
There are NO exceptions!
There are NO exceptions!
Am I the only one who is totally lost as to why Marten doesn't want his committed girlfriend, whom he has already had sex with countless times, from seeing his porn collection?Hell, I'm engaged and I don't like discussing porn with my fiance. To me it's something that is really private, and I don't like discussing it with anyone. I'm totally with Marten on this. Even if he had an unreasonable request, the fact that Dora knew he had a problem with it and went and did it anyways without discussing it with him is a problem.
For that matter, are we assuming this is the first time this porn has seen the light of day in quite some time? Because, to my mind, it's kinda bad form to date a real person and keep seeing Rosie Palms on the side (exeptions made for touching yourself to porn of your significant other, or memories of them, or whatever).
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You can have someone change your password and not tell you what it is...
But if he's worried, does that mean there's more Scary Drama Terror Times coming?
13 pages by Sunday *slaps five on table*
[1950's educational film]This. This thirty four millions times.
You see kids, when two grown-ups are in a relationship that's even half-way serious, they, from time to time, do things that piss the other one off.
Then they fight. As they fight, they get to know each other better. Sometimes they find things out about each other that they just can't live with, like the other one is a communist or is secretly a mafia informant or enjoys giving anonymous blow jobs to strangers hiding in the bushes of the down-town park every Thursday night. But most of the time, it's stupid shit like stop forgetting to put the toothpaste cap back on or forgetting to put the toilet lid down or leaving her bras hanging from the shower curtain.
When that happens they yell at each other for a time and then they get over it.
And then they get to have make-up sex...
[/1950's educational film] that's quite enough of that...
I'm with Loki here, Jeph :) Adblock's really awesome.Hmm...Discussing Adblock on a site where the creator makes a good part of his living off of ad space feels a little distasteful. Lots of people use it, but when it comes to someone's bread and butter, it may just come off nicer to say, "Adblock is great, but I also own almost all the QC shirts and prints and the mug and the book." Just sayin...
Yay! Is it time for some more Dora-Marten drama already?!
Normally, I side with Marten during these fights since Dora is almost always the one to fly off the handle about something insignificant, but on this round, I do not think I can understand Marten's position here. Even if she did "invade his privacy," why not just roll one's eyes and leave? This time Marten is the one who is completely overreacting.
Normally, I side with Marten during these fights since Dora is almost always the one to fly off the handle about something insignificant, but on this round, I do not think I can understand Marten's position here. Even if she did "invade his privacy," why not just roll one's eyes and leave? This time Marten is the one who is completely overreacting.I disagree with you on that one. Even if you have no problem with your SO invading your privacy like that, it's about not respecting you as a person. If you can say NO as often as you want and your partner doesn't hear you, s/he does not respect you and your decisions.
Even though this comic has been around for years, I am beginning to think that Dora and Marten moved in together a little too soon. I imagine the whole span of the comic has been just shy of two years, with Dora and Marten's relationship lasting somewhere around 12-14 months. Adding another year to make the comic span three years with Dora and Marten together for two years still does not strike me as long enough for them to be living together, especially given Marten's original reservations about it (1578 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1578)). To save the relationship, it may be better if Dora moves out until they are really ready to live together.Yeah, that may be true. But given Dora's issues, this may lead to a break-up or something.
(Lotsa quotes from other folks)I agree. More than that, I called this, or parts of it:
I have to agree with this, I think it's stemming more from Dora's past relationships than anything going on now beytween her and Marten.
She's afraid. Afraid that, because he says he loves her, he's really like the others who've said it in the past. Afraid that there's really some twisted side to him. Afraid that, because of his protestations, there must be something there.
So she goes and looks, and is disappointed when there's no "there" there.
But it's the confusion over Marten's reaction that really shows what's going on. Dora's always been a lot more open sexually than the people around her, and it confuses her that Marten, who's open to her, would have this sticking point. She stepped over a boundary that she didn't see, and doesn't understand the alarms that just went off.
She will, soon enough.
Here.
It's Monday, and we're on three pages already.
What's the record?
Dora is a bitch, I hope Marten breaks up with her.
Dora is a bitch!
Yeah, I'm going to jump into the "Dora was just looking to start something" side of the ring here. You could basically tell thats what was happening by her facial expressions through the entire strip.
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Drama! It'll be cleared up by the end of the week, as we all know Jeph hates drama :cry:
Also smart move on Marten's part not putting his stash on Pintsize, I mean the guy could/would blab to anybody. Not that it apparently stops him from showing him the laptop.
Time for this week's round of: "Is Dora a Bitch or Not Discussion Panel CXVII"
I'm just going to chime in and say that Dora really had to know this was coming. I mean come on, Marten obviously didn't want her to do this, it was written all over his face. Yet she left work to go check out his stash. At best this was incredibly thoughtless and at worst a blatant violation of privacy.
Is Dora a bitch? No, but she is a bit tactless.
Dora is a bitch, I hope Marten breaks up with her.
Fuck you
Jeph read the thread if you must, ignore it if you can. As was said earlier, the hubbub is a teatament to your skills as a writer and your ability to make us give a rat's ass about the characters. Keep that up
So what's the point in having fantasies, if you don't want to make them true? I agree with you about the privacy between couples, but i don't believe that if you have a fantasy, then you want your sex-life to be completly different to it.
Prediction: This fight spirals into a break-up.
Dora utilizes the time to iron out sibling issues with Sven...their parallel relationship issues enabling them to work around previous obstacles, they both become better people in the long run.
Marten and Hanners rescue Amir from a raging Allosaurus and transform Deathmole into a commecial and popular success at at least the regional level.
Some women are really into rape and dominance porn, but only like it as a removed fantasy, and would certainly a) not want to be raped, b) might not even want to act it out as a play-pretend thing. But it might get them off in pure fantasy form.
Now I really hope they break up. All the fangirls can hope that Tai gets with Dora after a tragic crying mess.
Also, Moxie, fantastic analysis. I think you're dead on the money with both of them, especially Marten.
I don't think it's intentional so much as she's oblivious and possibly a bit self-centered in that she thinks, "I'm open about porn, why shouldn't he be?"
Also, side note, it must have gotten at least 2x more awkward for Marten when Dora says "I'll show you mine!" when he knows she faps and/or has fapped to his mom. That reminder probably amped up his Defensive Mode considerably.
Also, although I agree with Marten being pissed off, he should not have left. Walking out of a disagreement is not going to solve anything.While walking out itself certainly isn't going to solve anything, there's quite a lot of good about walking out when one is too upset to discuss something rationally. In fact, that's a conflict-helping strategy - wait until you're cooled down to talk about what happened in a manner that isn't inflammatory and runs the risk of saying something that is said in a moment of anger that isn't really meant. This is now the second time Marten's gotten so upset with Dora that he's walked out of the conversation, and I think good on him for realizing he isn't in a good position to really discuss the problem. Marten is definitely about trying to be reasonable, and he seems to know himself well enough to know when he won't be.
I disagree that he was testing her. Testing would indicate that he specifically told her not to in order to see if she would. Martin's almost anti-manipulative, a value that's emphasized here where there's no indication that he has any idea she'll instantly go and check his pr0n cache the moment in time after he espouses the virtue of privacy, given that she's working and they're just joking. Going to check on her to see if she was then doing what she said she would do--given that he doesn't want her to do it--is perfectly reasonable. Since there is a possibility she's just messing with him and will not actually do it? She could even go so far as luring him upstairs for ulterior motives? Such as smoochy-time or a more private talk about it?
I understand the extrapolation that Martin is being artificial based on his lack of darning porn (as in porn that sends you to Heck, not this (http://www.crochetfashion.net/)), but I think it's more likely that he's not incredibly simple, and may honestly be uncomfortable with the subject of his porn viewing around Dora. Might have something to do with his mother, that could be incredibly complex or simple in a myriad of possible ways. Maybe he's finding more satisfaction with porn than Dora lately; maybe Dora's inability to learn and understand him after all this time is getting to him. His insecurity about their relationship might be boiling underneath his happy, stony exterior.
His anger upon confirming that Dora is not taking his interests as an equal partner seriously* was probably not something he was coldly calculating and building up to on his way to find her. He honestly doesn't seem to have self-control so much as just mellowness (as a personality trait that might be a defensive mechanism) most of the time. And in their healthy relationship supposed-paradigm, he doesn't have an obligation to keep from displaying his emotions in a non-violent way, while she does have the obligation to try to communicate openly instead of not. Or at least notice that he's upset and apologize instead of being defensive and scowly.
From Dora's POV:
Boyfriends are all assholes, at one point or another. And being an asshole means hurting her specifically, possibly physically but definitely emotionally through some sort of trust-breaking action. In other words, she was too trusting in the past and got her heart and emotions totally trampled on. It doesn't help that she sees her older brother treating women in a similar manner to which she was treated. So she tried to toughen up.
And now she's dating Marten, a guy who, as far as any of us know, is the nicest, most willing guy ever. And that whole concept is foreign to her. No guy is ever like that, even if he starts out seeming like that. And the longer she dates Marten, and the longer he continues to be awesome to her, the more paranoid she gets about the whole thing. So every little thing that could possibly, in any way, be construed as Marten being the asshole she (subconsciously) expects him to turn out to be, she blows way out of proportion. It's supposed to be the Thing She Loses Trust over, but then Marten turns around and doesn't act like the other boyfriends again - he talks it over, lets her express her doubts, and they move on. But Dora can't quite shake lose this lack of trust.
And then they're talking about porn. Dora is curious about Marten's - she's never even seen him watching any. And then Marten doesn't want to tell her about it. Alarm bells go off for Dora - this is it, this is the Thing. Not only does he express a desire to not share any details, he tries to a "tough guy" defense. And Dora thinks that yes, she's gotta know what's going on here because finally, what she was expecting all along will happen. (I also think that Dora's got some kind of a complex about always being right, but in this case it's more subconscious.) So Dora goes to ask Pintsize, figuring Marten will have him take care of it (showing, in some aspect, that she doesn't know Marten all that super well anyway), and Pintsize doesn't know, but he does know it's on the laptop and he'll show it to her (they just gotta figure out the password, maybe). And Dora finds that the porn is nothing at all - just regular run of the mill stuff. Again, not the behavior she was expecting.
Again, Marten proves to not be the guy she thinks all guys are gonna end up being. And then he's all up in her face about it, and she can't figure out why. If it were one of the other assholes, he'd be mad because she just found out some secret about him, but it's not really the case with Marten. She crossed a line with Marten and didn't even look back, and now she doesn't understand because Marten is not what she's expecting him to be in the slightest.
Marten's POV:
Surely growing up with a mom doing what she does can sometimes lead to awkward conversations for him. It can't be fun to be hanging out with some guys, and the conversation turns to porn, and he hears about them jerking off to his mom. And then they ask him if he's watched Veronica Vance, and when he says no, and they get all on his case about why not, she's so hot and whatever, to have to tell them she's his mom...it's probably just not so cool. Suddenly they can't look him in the eye anymore, and the whole night turns weird. So he's probably learned to just not talk about it. Not really. Or rather, not specifics. If he lets 'em think he's into something so kinky and odd that he can't even talk about it, all the better. Beats having to hear about what they think/do concerning his mom.
So Marten just doesn't talk about it. And he most likely feels like it's private anyway - why wouldn't he feel private about it, especially when his mom isn't particularly. And maybe that doesn't mean he won't share it with his SO eventually, but it's probably gotta be on his own terms. He needs to feel safe about it...he needs to trust the person. And I can see him not being too comfortable sharing that with Dora right now. Especially after they just had a big trust argument. (and he already knows Dora is a fan of his mom and watched her as a teenager...I can see him not particularly wanting to find out she still watches her.) Besides, he doesn't particularly wanna talk about it in front of Faye.
So when Dora pushes it (and he's not surprised she did, she's way more chill with discussing stuff like this in the ear-range of anyone), and he tells her it's private and he certainly doesn't want to talk about it here, and he'd like her to not really go into it, he's actually a little surprised that she leaves, saying she's gonna find out. And then he sees her on his computer! Talk about a violation of trust. Marten has no doubts, I'm sure, that if he was looking up things about Dora on her computer she'd throw the most Epic Rage Fit ever, and so he's totally baffled as to why she doesn't see her actions as a gross betrayal of trust.
I imagine Jeph reading this thread right now, sitting in his desk chair leaned back slightly, legs crossed lightly sipping a glass of wine, stroking an invisible cat and cackling madly as he watches the peons he calls his fans scurry about trying to guess his intentions. Every analysis, every prediction, every time one person criticizes another for their crackpot theory, the smile gets a little wider, the laugh a little more maniacal.invisible cat?!?!?!??! :psyduck:
Here, pussy, pussy, pussy!I mean... how hard can it be to lost a non-visible cat!! Sometimes i impress myself....
Damn, where'd that invisible cat go?!?
Also, Moxie, fantastic analysis. I think you're dead on the money with both of them, especially Marten.
Hey, thanks! I think your two following points are also quite true:I don't think it's intentional so much as she's oblivious and possibly a bit self-centered in that she thinks, "I'm open about porn, why shouldn't he be?"
Also, side note, it must have gotten at least 2x more awkward for Marten when Dora says "I'll show you mine!" when he knows she faps and/or has fapped to his mom. That reminder probably amped up his Defensive Mode considerably.Also, although I agree with Marten being pissed off, he should not have left. Walking out of a disagreement is not going to solve anything.While walking out itself certainly isn't going to solve anything, there's quite a lot of good about walking out when one is too upset to discuss something rationally.
Or do you want a new girlfriend introduced? One who is independent, gets his sense of humor, grounded, sexy, educated, and only exhibits panic rarely? OH WAIT, that's Dora.
Let's list the highlights of their more than five minute fights:
haircut (because it lasted the whole day), girl comeon, Sven, pantless 3am hugging, forbidden porn
those were Dora's bad and she recognized it within 12 hours
all the rest were settled within 10 minutes or less.
So what's the point in having fantasies, if you don't want to make them true?To get stimulated by things that you can't or shouldn't put into practice.
edit: wait, I don't think this is the second time. I was thinking about the underwear argument, but he just went for a walk after Dora "kicked him out" of the bedroom, right?Yes, but you're right that it's the second time. In 1098, he walked away from a rapidly degenerating argument about Faye jumping Sven.
Here, pussy, pussy, pussy!Teh invisable kat iz wif Schrödinger. They r both laughin at u, cuz ure lookin 4 him. An hez invisable.
Damn, where'd that invisible cat go?!?
Are there still Faye/Marten OTP people? Is THAT why there's so much Dora hate?
My husband is definitely the type to walk away from an argument to regain composure, but I'm the type that when he does this the argument festers and I get angrier and the longer he waits the more I turn myself into an innocent victim and cast him as the villian. Let's hope Dora isn't like that. But to anyone who is calling for their break up, my husband and I have been together for over seven years, married for one and we are still working on these issues. Life is like that. Not every fictional couple can be Bella and Edward with their perfectstalkerabusiveloving relationship.
Seriously, after all this blatant over-analysis, a part of me hopes that it all boils down to
Possibly the stupidest user-manual warning ever.
She wants to basically dominate every aspect of his life. Anything outside of that control, she has a shit fit about. And she won't fucking listen to reason until someone basically gets in her face and screams at her to shut the fuck up.
Let's list the highlights of their more than five minute fights:
haircut (because it lasted the whole day), girl comeon, Sven, pantless 3am hugging, forbidden porn
Many people think there should be no privacy or boundaries between SOs or spouses, except maybe when going to the bathroom. More often than not the people with the "no privacy" view have adopted that view partly because previous SOs have used "privacy" to cover up various nefarious deeds, such as cheating. I'm sure this especially applies to Dora and her relationship history-it could be that she refuses to respect Marten's privacy because previous SOs have used privacy to cover up things they're doing that could, and have, hurt Dora. So Dora's trying to protect herself by not allowing Marten to hide anything from her.
Yeah, it sounds horrible, but since it appears Dora's had a history of dating assholes, it's understandable. It hasn't really sunk into her head yet that Marten really is different. Just another one of the hazards of dating someone whose previous SOs were assholes or bitches.
I wouldnt mind seeing him going to the bar again and talking with Jimbo
I can only imagine that they have awesome makeup sex considering how hard Dora works at screwing...
<misleading snip>
I'm seeing this in a different way than most people are.
1. Dora is a pervert. She's open, she likes sexy things, and the conversation was revolving around it.
2. Martin acts shy and akward. Which would have been fine if Martin had actually stayed that way.
3. Martin makes a mistake in trying to make some sly joke. If you really don't want someone to look at something, you say it firmly. Serious statements get serious responses. Not even Hannelor or Marigolde could have taken Martin's statement about his hypothetical tastes as being serious.
4. Dora, being playful and overexcited by sexy issues, thinks this is still a game, and really just wants to play further. Rushing out, she probably doesn't hear Martin's rather pathetic "H-hey!".
5. Dora's naturally disapointed that there's no juicy porn tidbits. She may have actually been excited that there was some devilishly sexy side of Martin.
6. Martin, not realizing that he had failed to communicate that he was being serious, thinks Dora is trodding all over him, just like everyone else tends to. He snaps for it.
She wants to basically dominate every aspect of his life. Anything outside of that control, she has a shit fit about. And she won't fucking listen to reason until someone basically gets in her face and screams at her to shut the fuck up. I dunno about you guys, but if I had a 'friend' who acted like that, and wouldn't go fuckin' get help for it, he/she would not be my 'friend' for very god damn long. How many times does this shit need to happen before Marten grows some testicles and tells Dora to see a fucking therapist or something? How about an ultimatum if she doesn't? "You either get your god damn head straightened out or you can get the hell out of my apartment."
"What? A hug?! No pants?! I don't need context - FUCK YOU!"
"What? Porn? He doesn't want me to see? I'LL LOOK ANYWAY IT IS MY RIGHT!"
Jesus. Dora is the worst person in this strip, hands down. Sven is a better person than Dora. Sven just sells dreams. Dora causes nightmares.
Or do you want a new girlfriend introduced? One who is needy, tramples his boundaries without a second thought, paranoid, attractive when she's acting like a grown-up, looks down her nose at her own employees, and only exhibits panic when Marten's not toeing the line? OH WAIT, that's Dora.
Except that isn't what's happening. It used to be, she would do a minor panicky "do oo still wuv me?" moment and he'd say yes and it would be fine. No big deal, she's insecure and he helps her with it. Instead, she's exploding at him for little to no reason, or totally ignoring his privacy which he explicitly told her he wanted to keep at a certain point. Just because you are ok with sharing something with someone else doesn't give you the right to demand to have the same information about them.
Basically you want Marten to tell his girlfriend who he loves, and who genuinely loves him back to hit the road because she gets upset at irrational things and tells him?
Would you rather her bottle it up? Would that make her less of a bitch, her keeping all of her doubts, insecurities, and annoyances bottled up, and then after he's forgotten about it bring them ALL up in one big MEGABITCH moment?Alternatively, she could, you know, get help so she doesn't go psycho over tiny little things without listening to anyone and respects other people's privacy.
I know I would rather have a 4ft geyser erupt occasionally (filled with steam but only lasting a bit), than a full on Mt St Helens eruption with no prompting whatsoever.
She doesn't abuse him, she doesn't tell him he's crap, she supports his decisions, GETS HIS JOKES, encourages a social life that she doesn't have to be in all the time, AND puts up with Pintsize. PLUS THEY MAKE EACH OTHER HAPPY. You might hate that fact, but they do.She's also made him really angry recently, and she annoys the hell out of him by being clingy, needy and insecure. It's not like he's only started to complain about this recently, he's had a few "Why can't you accept I'm happy with you?" moments. Each time, it seems to me he's getting that little bit less forgiving and a little more pissed off.
I don't think any fight they've had singularly or combined validates a break-up, or her being called a "fucking banshee." Even if she was in the wrong, she addressed it and accepted her fault.So, you don't think that the fact she started a fight because he got a haircut without consulting her was an issue? That is an exhibition of a demanded level of control over the relationship (and some wonderful double standards) that would make ME uncomfortable. Added together the fact she explicitly ignores his request for privacy and doesn't seem to see anything wrong with that, AND the pantsgate explosion AND the constant "You don't still want to bone Faye do you? Because I think you do" shtick AND the whole test about the girl asking him out thing I'm amazed that Marten hasn't gotten into a screaming match with her yet. He (and you, apparently) must have the patience of a saint.
If these two break up (for good, not a midnight one), it will be because they have become incompatible, not because she occasionally gets upset.See above.
Yes, but Meyers was/is screwing around with a critter dear to the hearts of millions—vampires. People've been gaga over bloodsuckers since at least the first Lugosi/Browning effort, if not the play or dear old Brahm's novel itself, and she managed to offend quite a few of them. Jeph isn't working with anything specific that has nearly that kind of cultural clout. I follow quite a few webcomics and their forums, and as far as I can tell this one by far gets people worked up more consistently than most. He most be doing something to cause that.Jeph read the thread if you must, ignore it if you can. As was said earlier, the hubbub is a teatament to your skills as a writer and your ability to make us give a rat's ass about the characters. Keep that upNothing personal here, but this is not an absolute truth. For instance, I wouldn't call Stephanie Meyers a good writer (quite the opposite) and after skimming one book in particular, I was annoyed/appalled (and bored) enough to actually start complaining about it to no one in particular. This made me feel better even though I knew it wasn't going to change anything. Especially when someone else was there to keep me in check, argue, or agree with me.
Can I get an Ohhhh boy.
Can I get an Ohhhh boy.
Can I get an Ohhhh boy.Is that a Dr Sam Beckett "oh boy" or a Capt. Jonathan Archer "oh boy"?
Can I get an Ohhhh boy.Is that a Dr Sam Beckett "oh boy" or a Capt. Jonathan Archer "oh boy"?
Maybe it's Marten's hatred talking there, but jeez, he crossed the line with the "i'm sick of your apologies"
True dat.Can I get an Ohhhh boy.Is that a Dr Sam Beckett "oh boy" or a Capt. Jonathan Archer "oh boy"?
Dr Beckett > Captain Archer.
Always.
And with that one comic update, the S.S Doratai gets a little more wind in its sails.
but seriously, i didn't expected this at all. Maybe it's Marten's hatred talking there, but jeez, he crossed the line with the "i'm sick of your apologies"Took me off guard, too, but seems logical - apparently Dora got Marten in his "still angry" phase (as pointed out before. I'm a slow writer :( ). And about crossing lines: she didn't cross the line with "vindictive prick"? MARTEN? Marten of all people is vindictive?
DON'T WORRY MARTEN! THIS IS ALL DORA'S FAULT, BECAUSE SHE'S A BITCHWell, it kind of is.
Can I get an Ohhhh boy.
but seriously, i didn't expected this at all. Maybe it's Marten's hatred talking there, but jeez, he crossed the line with the "i'm sick of your apologies"
DON'T WORRY MARTEN! THIS IS ALL DORA'S FAULT, BECAUSE SHE'S A BITCHIf you keep repeating hyperbolic, generalized responses of people who don't agree with, maybe we'll eventually care about your stupid shallow post!
It's Monday, and we're on three pages already.
What's the record?
And while I agree with some of the other opinions that Marten's response is a little harsh if taken just in the context of this strip and the last two or three, I think it's a fairly reasonable reaction to her behavior in general of late. The speed with which he got over her explosion about Faye, accepted her apology, and dropped it was just ridiculous...clearly it just got suppressed, and now it's adding to the current issue.
DON'T WORRY MARTEN! THIS IS ALL DORA'S FAULT, BECAUSE SHE'S A BITCHWell, it kind of is.
She's the one who over-reacted to a totally innocuous situation and wouldn't listen, she's the one who gets angry with him for other girls asking him out and him not mentioning it like it's actually her business or something to worry about and she's the one who just totally invaded his privacy after he explicitly told her not to.
Y'know what? I sure hope this storyline ends by Sven knocking some sense into Dora for a change...
Seriously, after all this blatant over-analysis, a part of me hopes that it all boils down to
Dora: "I was just kidding around. I'm sorry."
Marten: "I wasn't. Why didn't you listen to me?"
Dora: "I didn't think this was serious. Forgive me?"
Marten: "Sure."
Nope. Didn't go that way.
Ehhhh that so did not look or sound like an actual apology to me - did it really, to you? It sounded like one of those 'I'm sorry you were offended' non-apology apologies. I mean she even said 'I didn't think it was any big deal' with this look on her face that would make it sound to me like 'I don't think IT SHOULD BE a big deal'
DON'T WORRY MARTEN! THIS IS ALL DORA'S FAULT, BECAUSE SHE'S A BITCHWell, it kind of is.
She's the one who over-reacted to a totally innocuous situation and wouldn't listen, she's the one who gets angry with him for other girls asking him out and him not mentioning it like it's actually her business or something to worry about and she's the one who just totally invaded his privacy after he explicitly told her not to.
Oh, yeah, Dora's been a bitch to him their entire relationship. She's never made him happy, no. She's never made any sacrifices for his sake, she's never tried to be careful of his feelings in anything, they have never been happy as a couple, it's just been PROBLEM CITY all the FUCKING TIME. These fights that they're having? Real couples don't do that! Because real couples are in love all the fucking time 24/7 and poop rainbows out of their mouths! No one ever gets mad at their significant other over something innocuous! No one ever has huge fights and also no one really ever makes up like a week later!
And none of it has anything to do with the fact that Marten is a completely spineless fuck! No no no! It has nothing to do with the fact that he won't take a stand on anything till it gets out of hand, obsesses about shit but never takes any action, and generally lets any woman with a force of personality greater than a turnip walk all over him until she steps on some area that's a little sore!
(God, why couldn't Marten have waited? For his REAL TRUE LOVE, Faye? You know, the girl who is a huge bundle of issues, still can't emotionally relate to people on the right level, and was all but emotionally abusive to the last dude she was in a pseudo-relationship with? The girl who is never ever going to get over the fact that her dad killed himself in front of her, that's the girl you need to pursue forever. Because moving the fuck on is for losers!)
But hey, it's still not his fault. He couldn't have known that Dora's entire character is just "a bitch" who can never do anything right.
And am I the only person who has noticed that the last six weeks all we have heard in an endless chorus, winding throughout the weeks and always showing up at some point or another, is that cherry of wisdom, that DORA IS A BITCH AND MARTEN SHOULD BREAK UP WITH HER? We had the Tai/Marigold arc, where she barely appeared, and people still found time to call her a bitch. Astounding.
I can't even blame Jeph for this arc, because clearly, it's what a large portion of the fans want.
Give it time. Pretty much every Marten v. Dora fight has ended that way eventually.
1. One does something the other doesn't like
2. The other makes things worse with poor wording
3. Big blowup
4. A few days of moping
5. "I'm sorry let's just pretend it never happened even though I'm still mad at you".
:|
Yes, but Meyers was/is screwing around with a critter dear to the hearts of millions—vampires. People've been gaga over bloodsuckers since at least the first Lugosi/Browning effort, if not the play or dear old Brahm's novel itself, and she managed to offend quite a few of them.
Sven's couch maybe? This could lead to him having a frank discussion with her.Yes, but Meyers was/is screwing around with a critter dear to the hearts of millions—vampires. People've been gaga over bloodsuckers since at least the first Lugosi/Browning effort, if not the play or dear old Brahm's novel itself, and she managed to offend quite a few of them.
Don't forget Ruthven.
Anyway, Marten and Faye are going to have an... awkward... talk, if not tonight, then tomorrow night, after Dora's shown up at work.
...actually, where does Dora expect to sleep? On an independent coffee shop's margins, hotels aren't going to last her long...
ALL HANDS! BRACE FOR IMPACT!!!!!!!
Oh, Shit!!!!
Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
Oh, yeah, Dora's been a bitch to him their entire relationship. She's never made him happy, no. She's never made any sacrifices for his sake, she's never tried to be careful of his feelings in anything, they have never been happy as a couple, it's just been PROBLEM CITY all the FUCKING TIME.Have they had good times? Sure. Has Marten been really happy? I don't think so... it hasn't been all problems all the time, but more than enough problems for a relationship he may not be that invested in.
These fights that they're having? Real couples don't do that! Because real couples are in love all the fucking time 24/7 and poop rainbows out of their mouths! No one ever gets mad at their significant other over something innocuous! No one ever has huge fights and also no one really ever makes up like a week later!I have to admit you're right on the money with this. Fights happen. Just... that it seems like they are both looking for a way out rather than a resolution. You know that sometimes happens, right? When a couple have just run out of patience and both of them are looking for an excuse to ditch and make it the other person's fault?
And none of it has anything to do with the fact that Marten is a completely spineless fuck! No no no! It has nothing to do with the fact that he won't take a stand on anything till it gets out of hand, obsesses about shit but never takes any action, and generally lets any woman with a force of personality greater than a turnip walk all over him until she steps on some area that's a little sore!Marten is incredibly spineless, I contend that he only got into this relationship in the first place because he has no spine.
God, why couldn't Marten have waited? For his REAL TRUE LOVE, Faye? You know, the girl who is a huge bundle of issues, still can't emotionally relate to people on the right level, and was all but emotionally abusive to the last dude she was in a pseudo-relationship with? The girl who is never ever going to get over the fact that her dad killed himself in front of her, that's the girl you need to pursue forever. Because moving the fuck on is for losers!Marten moved on, he found a convenient relationship which offered him comfort and closeness and sex. Does that mean he should stick with it forever, even when it isn't working and his emotional investment is questionable? I think you're not really painting an accurate picture of Faye either. She used Sven, that's for sure. What she did wasn't kind or fair, but to call it emotional abuse seems like hyperbole. By this point, partly because of the experiences she had with Sven, I'd say her issues are under control... but only time will tell.
But hey, it's still not his fault. He couldn't have known that Dora's entire character is just "a bitch" who can never do anything right.What I don't understand is why it bothers you so much. So you're not concerned with her behaviour. I get that. What should it matter that lots of random internet message board drones hate your favourite character? I mean, I think Dora is a fun character who just needs to stop being up in other people's business... I am not part of the "Dora is a hugemungous bitch" faction. I can understand why people are saying that though. When people say nasty things about my favourite characters, that doesn't bother me...
And am I the only person who has noticed that the last six weeks all we have heard in an endless chorus, winding throughout the weeks and always showing up at some point or another, is that cherry of wisdom, that DORA IS A BITCH AND MARTEN SHOULD BREAK UP WITH HER? We had the Tai/Marigold arc, where she barely appeared, and people still found time to call her a bitch. Astounding.
Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
I don't hate Dora. I think she's a necessary character in the wider QC story, and when she's doing what she does best, she's awesome. Thing is, what she does best isn't dating Marten. It's running the coffee shop with flair and sass. She also needs to stop meddling in the lives of her friends. Even if she has the very best of intentions, she doesn't have the right to tell Hannelore, Faye, Sven or anyone else who they should be fucking, taking on pseudo-dates or otherwise romantically interacting with. Everyone in this strip is an adult, and Dora just isn't that much more mature that she gets to play matriarch. I do give her credit for running a moderately successful business, but that doesn't translate to being an all-round expert on other people's lives.Honestly, when I read the comic the first time, I really did think Marten was into her. For a while before they started dating.
Especially when her own is only saved from being an emotional trainwreck because she has the most understanding boyfriend ever.
Or should that be had?
Contrary to how all the above might sound, I really don't hate Dora. I just think she should learn to concern herself less with the lives of others, and I also don't believe she's a match for Marten. She's really just suited to being his good friend. Unfortunately it often so happens that when a relationship fails with an acrimonious breakup, the process has poisoned the well of friendship by way of collateral damage.
I don't honestly recall when Marten ever expressed a particular interest in her. Seems to me like he's expressed his interest in Faye and (way back when) in Sara, but not in Dora. I'm frantically plundering the archive right now in order to prove myself wrong, because I don't want to make unsubstantiated assertions, but I fail to see anything that proves Marten is attracted to her. If that's really the case, then maybe they should have stayed friends instead of dating, because I'm pretty sure that's all Marten really ever saw her as... a friend. It's not so unlikely that Marten decided just coast along in a relationship, going with it because it is easy and convenient rather than because he really cares for her in that way.
Comic #564 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=564) is the start of their relationship, and the closest I can see to Marten being interested is that he 'kinda doesn't mind' when Dora presses herself against him. For the next few comics he's kinda-sorta-maybe into it, but mostly just in a lukewarm way. Dora is the one who is really into it, and Dora is the one making all the running. I can understand entirely if Marten eventually developed feelings of attachment, because the longer a relationship goes on, the less you want it to end... but still it seems like the flame never burned all that brightly to me. Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
I will be glad if this means they are ending it. I just hope Marten has the backbone to say to her that it just isn't working out for him anymore. Whether that means Faye breaks off her nascent relationship with Angus, or not... it's for the best that Marten not be with someone he isn't into. Maybe he'll end up with Marigold, and Tai will end up with Dora. That way everyone can be happy... except Sven. Poor Sven...
I guess maybe I'm not that real. My current girlfriend vaguely resembles my first ever crush. She isn't the only one I've dated or crushed on since that first one who fit a fairly recognisable template. It wasn't intentional, I'm just hard-wired for a fairly narrow range of characteristics. Obviously that isn't the only thing I like about the girls I date, but I just don't get that initial spark of interest in people who don't check the boxes.Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked. I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with.Glad it worked out for ya, but I'm just not wired that way. Physical attributes aren't the most important thing, but I just don't seem to notice girls who don't fit the template in 'that way'. They get automatically friend zoned by my brain, it's like a reflex or something. It seems to be working out for me. Hopefully I won't need to go looking again any time soon.
No regrets. And she's much less violent than those redheads. ;)
Ehhhh that so did not look or sound like an actual apology to me - did it really, to you? It sounded like one of those 'I'm sorry you were offended' non-apology apologies. I mean she even said 'I didn't think it was any big deal' with this look on her face that would make it sound to me like 'I don't think IT SHOULD BE a big deal'that was just the heat of the discussion. Someone posted earlier the 3 (although there should be some more) rules for a relationship fights, and the third one was to let the anger cool down... they were both angry and they were shouting stupidity to each other.
Well I'm sorry, you don't get to decide that, S.O. - I do.
Her reaction is just about the opposite of what it should be. I really hope that's her being defensive because she knows she fucked up and she can't deal with it - that doesn't make me like her behavior any more, but it's better than her being absolutely clueless about her mistake. Willfully so, even.
I mean really, a (aparently) break up ONLY 'cause Dora look on Marten's porn? think about it, that's just silly.That would be silly, but it's just the trigger. They both want out.
I guess maybe I'm not that real. My current girlfriend vaguely resembles my first ever crush. She isn't the only one I've dated or crushed on since that first one who fit a fairly recognisable template. It wasn't intentional, I'm just hard-wired for a fairly narrow range of characteristics. Obviously that isn't the only thing I like about the girls I date, but I just don't get that initial spark of interest in people who don't check the boxes.Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
That would be silly, but it's just the trigger. They both want out.I think you're reading too much into things.
The facial expressions tell me a lot. The fact that they both seem to be using something trivial as an excuse to fight tells me even more. Dora could have just let it go, and not raided his laptop. She had to know he wouldn't be pleased. Her expression when he got home said she knew he wasn't pleased. Marten could have done his usual impression of an invertebrate. Both of them deliberately turned this into a fight.That would be silly, but it's just the trigger. They both want out.I think you're reading too much into things.
There are problems with the relationship. Problems that need to be worked out if they're going to move forward, but I don't see either one of them as actively pursuing an end to things.
That's an epic simplification of things. This isn't about the porn. It's about Marten having to tip-toe around all of Dora's insecurities while she wantonly disregards his. Really if you boil it down it's a trust issue. Dora is obviously incapable of trusting Marten. She refuses to believe that he's not just another jackass in sheep's clothing.Ehhhh that so did not look or sound like an actual apology to me - did it really, to you? It sounded like one of those 'I'm sorry you were offended' non-apology apologies. I mean she even said 'I didn't think it was any big deal' with this look on her face that would make it sound to me like 'I don't think IT SHOULD BE a big deal'that was just the heat of the discussion. Someone posted earlier the 3 (although there should be some more) rules for a relationship fights, and the third one was to let the anger cool down... they were both angry and they were shouting stupidity to each other.
Well I'm sorry, you don't get to decide that, S.O. - I do.
Her reaction is just about the opposite of what it should be. I really hope that's her being defensive because she knows she fucked up and she can't deal with it - that doesn't make me like her behavior any more, but it's better than her being absolutely clueless about her mistake. Willfully so, even.
I mean really, a (apparently) break up ONLY 'cause Dora look on Marten's porn? think about it, that's just silly.
They both want out.
:-o I trade my "oh boy" for an "oh MAN"Well, I did, several times. I don't know if I'm the originator, though.
What this strip says to me most of all is that both Marten and Dora have serious issues. Marten had a right to be angry, but he went off a little too hard on Dora there; he let his resentment for her behavior build up just a little too long and it all came rushing out at the wrong time.
Somebody one this forum once said that Dora is subconsciously looking for ways Marten is really an asshole underneath it all and once she has that reason, she'd leap on it and wreck the relationship (again, subconsciously). I wish I could remember who that person was because I think they were right; Dora's "Well. I guess that's it then." speaks volumes. She's not willing to talk about it. She's not willing to let him be entitled to his feelings (and after all he's been through, Marten is totally entitled to his anger, even if it came out the wrong way). She just assumes it over because that's probably how her relationships in the past ended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM)
The facial expressions tell me a lot. The fact that they both seem to be using something trivial as an excuse to fight tells me even more. Dora could have just let it go, and not raided his laptop. She had to know he wouldn't be pleased. Her expression when he got home said she knew he wasn't pleased. Marten could have done his usual impression of an invertebrate. Both of them deliberately turned this into a fight.Well, I agree that they're both ready to fight about this, but that doesn't mean they want to end things. Some fights need to happen.
You are exaggerating, i don't think they want out. But i don't think I do know what they want. I can only say that they got in a big fight over a silly thing, and dora tried to apologise to soon. Really, couples do have big fights where they fight and scream hurtfull things. But did they really wanted to cut the relation?I mean really, a (aparently) break up ONLY 'cause Dora look on Marten's porn? think about it, that's just silly.That would be silly, but it's just the trigger. They both want out.
Pintsize (sitting on couch, looking through Marten's laptop) : Man, there's NOTHING on here.
Winslow (pointing to the screen) : What's that folder, marked "Tax Returns 2004-2006"?
Pintsize (pushing laptop aside) : Who cares. I'm going to go see if there's anything new on 4chan.
Winslow (looking at Pintsize as he leaves, then looking at the screen)
Winslow (clicking on the folder) : What's this? (pause) It looks like...
Winslow (reaction shot of horror for three or more panels)
Nope. Didn't go that way.
Give it time. Pretty much every Marten v. Dora fight has ended that way eventually.
1. One does something the other doesn't like
2. The other makes things worse with poor wording
3. Big blowup
4. A few days of moping
5. "I'm sorry let's just pretend it never happened even though I'm still mad at you".
:|
I just hope something becomes of this. Marten stops letting his irritation build up, Dora becomes a little more self-aware... Something besides "I'm sorry yeah me too forget about it whatever".
She needs some sense knocked into her.I'm really, really hoping that was meant metaphorically. There have been some great facial expressions the last couple of days. It speaks volumes for Jeph that this is so painful to watch.
Martin's been letting his frustrations build up for a long time and he exploded about a relatively minor indiscretion. If he'd taken the time to actually talk to Dora about his frustration after the last fight they could have avoided this escalation.
As for Dora, her reaction to his overreaction is too dramatic and a bit silly. Fights happen in relationships, and when they get bad hurtful things are said. Take a timeout, go cool off, but that's certainly not "it then".
I hope this arc ends with Martin realizing that being a nice guy doesn't mean ignoring problems and repressing your anger until it explodes and Dora (and half the forum) realizing that the Sword of Damocles isn't hanging over their relationship just waiting for the first chance to end things.
This is one of the most reasonable posts in the thread.Thank you.
What Dora did just now wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah, she should have respected his privacy, but some people on here are acting like she's a soul-less manipulative bitch. She and Marten just need to work out their problems.Personally, I think this will end up strengthening the relationship and relieving a lot of tension between the two of them. Which would be like Kryptonite to the Dora's-a-miserable-cunt crowd.
some people on here are acting like she's a soul-less manipulative bitch.
Martin's been letting his frustrations build up for a long time and he exploded about a relatively minor indiscretion. If he'd taken the time to actually talk to Dora about his frustration after the last fight they could have avoided this escalation.
As for Dora, her reaction to his overreaction is too dramatic and a bit silly. Fights happen in relationships, and when they get bad hurtful things are said. Take a timeout, go cool off, but that's certainly not "it then".
I hope this arc ends with Martin realizing that being a nice guy doesn't mean ignoring problems and repressing your anger until it explodes and Dora (and half the forum) realizing that the Sword of Damocles isn't hanging over their relationship just waiting for the first chance to end things.
This is one of the most reasonable posts in the thread.
What Dora did just now wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah, she should have respected his privacy, but some people on here are acting like she's a soul-less manipulative bitch. She and Marten just need to work out their problems.
some people on here are acting like she's a soul-less manipulative bitch.
You know, she's the one providing the ammo for that.
some people on here are acting like she's a soul-less manipulative bitch.
You know, she's the one providing the ammo for that.
No, I think we'd still find Dora to be a miserable cunt. I think a big part of it is that we like the character of Marten so much we want to see someone worthy of him with him. It's like a friend dating a girl you know isn't right for him and basically walks all over him and wanting better for him.
Personally, I think this will end up strengthening the relationship and relieving a lot of tension between the two of them. Which would be like Kryptonite to the Dora's-a-miserable-cunt crowd.
-sigh- But I guess some people need a scapegoat...
The thing is that I just don't see it. She doesn't strike me as manipulative at all. Just a girl who has some insecurity issues she needs to get sorted out.Most Americans. We like to know there's a villain responsible for everything. Listen to any American politician give a speech. They don't talk about what they will do to fix problems or to prevent future problems, instead they spend the whole speech assigning blame for the current problems.
-sigh- But I guess some people need a scapegoat...
Martin's been letting his frustrations build up for a long time and he exploded about a relatively minor indiscretion. If he'd taken the time to actually talk to Dora about his frustration after the last fight they could have avoided this escalation.
As for Dora, her reaction to his overreaction is too dramatic and a bit silly. Fights happen in relationships, and when they get bad hurtful things are said. Take a timeout, go cool off, but that's certainly not "it then".
I hope this arc ends with Martin realizing that being a nice guy doesn't mean ignoring problems and repressing your anger until it explodes and Dora (and half the forum) realizing that the Sword of Damocles isn't hanging over their relationship just waiting for the first chance to end things.
This is one of the most reasonable posts in the thread.
What Dora did just now wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah, she should have respected his privacy, but some people on here are acting like she's a soul-less manipulative bitch. She and Marten just need to work out their problems.
But what people have been saying is that if this were all that had happened, it wouldn't be all that big a deal and would be an overreaction. But it's not. I'm not saying soulless manipulative bitch, but her blowup over the pantsless Faye episode would have had me seriously considering a relationship with her if it'd been me. The not bothering to listen to him or take him seriously adds more fuel to the fire, and then the nerve to turn it back on him and call him a prick because he got mad is more than enough fuel for a s***storm. No, looking at Marten's porn isn't that big a deal. But the whole of her behavior toward him of late is a very big deal, it's not a little thing, and it was pretty wrong to do to a S.O.
The thing is that I just don't see it. She doesn't strike me as manipulative at all. Just a girl who has some insecurity issues she needs to get sorted out.Most Americans. We like to know there's a villain responsible for everything. Listen to any American politician give a speech. They don't talk about what they will do to fix problems or to prevent future problems, instead they spend the whole speech assigning blame for the current problems.
-sigh- But I guess some people need a scapegoat...
And it works. The Republicans just swept into office on a campaign that consisted entirely of that. And the Democrats did the same thing two years ago.
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Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
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The Marten in panel 4 of 1739 needs out of this relationship. Maybe he's finally found an opportunity to seize control of the Marten who likes Dora, the Marten who just wants someone, and the Marten who doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
...Okay I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with the comic? o.ONot a damn thing.
The combination of http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1737 and http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1739 I think speaks worlds to what Marten's really feeling about Dora, and also Faye.Like I keep suggesting, he's not really all that into Dora. Never has been.
The thing is that I just don't see it. She doesn't strike me as manipulative at all. Just a girl who has some insecurity issues she needs to get sorted out.Most Americans. We like to know there's a villain responsible for everything. Listen to any American politician give a speech. They don't talk about what they will do to fix problems or to prevent future problems, instead they spend the whole speech assigning blame for the current problems.
-sigh- But I guess some people need a scapegoat...
And it works. The Republicans just swept into office on a campaign that consisted entirely of that. And the Democrats did the same thing two years ago.
The problem here is that people are ignoring the reasons that Marten is at fault here as well.
They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.
Jesus jumped up Christ. REALLY?Well, at least you're keeping a cool head about this WEBCOMIC.
Dora is a CUNT.
Marten's going to end up being the one to apologize, isn't he? The testicle-lacking asshole's going to APOLOGIZE when he was totally in the right, isn't he?
So. Fucking. STUPID. Words fucking fail me. Dora proves she's an unmitigated cunt and Marten gets sad puppy eyes? No. Fuck you. That isn't how this fucking works. Marten needs to sit his stupid, dopey ass down and let Dora THINK about what she's done and what she just tried to do. Because god damn, she's being idiotic.
Well, at least you're keeping a cool head about this WEBCOMIC.
I hope Marten doesn't go drinking. I dunno who he should talk with. Maybe not Faye. Angus possibly?
The problem here is that people are ignoring the reasons that Marten is at fault here as well.
Dora invaded Marten's privacy. Yes. She apologized. Yes. Instead of trying to, you know, explain to Dora why he was angry, he basically attacked her about a subject that she is rather sensitive about and is irrelevant to the situation. Dora is right. Marten is being a little vindictive.
And Dora actually was listening to Marten's side in this instance. She realized that he was right and apologized and explained why she did what she did. Instead of explaining to Dora why it was a big deal to him, he brought up things from the past, which, frankly, is only going to get the other person on the offensive.
They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.
We're all passionate about this webcomic, and arguing this stuff. I can't stand this dismissive attitude on a message board devoted to discussion of the web comic. It's a testament to Jeph's work that there are people this passionate about his characters.
Well, at least you're keeping a cool head about this WEBCOMIC.
They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.
No, they aren't.
The problem here is that people are ignoring the reasons that Marten is at fault here as well.
Just because you choose to minimize something doesn't somehow absolve Dora. Marten was not being vindictive, and Dora did not apologize. Sarcastically saying "I'm sorry" with an angry face while at the same time stating that the thing one is apologizing for is meaningless does not an apology make- it's a manipulative way of trying to gain headway in a fight, one she caused.
Dora was never "listening" to any side but her own in any way, shape or form. Her language, facial expressions, and minimization clearly demonstrate this.They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.
No, they aren't.
We're all passionate about this webcomic, and arguing this stuff. I can't stand this dismissive attitude on a message board devoted to discussion of the web comic. It's a testament to Jeph's work that there are people this passionate about his characters.Arguing is fine, nearly every one of my posts here has been an argument with someone. But launching into a pointless string of obscenities is silly, fruitless, and diminishes any points he may have been trying to make.
I still don't know how Marten could even fall for her at all.
Marten will move on. Will find someone better. But you? You won't find anyone like him. He's got the maturity to find better, the capacity to listen you lack, and none of the baggage you so lovingly force upon those who consider themselves your friend.
You and your purple hair have, for the sake of a baffling need to be right, sabotaged the most healthy relationship you will ever have.
Hope yer proud of yourself!
The combination of http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1737 and http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1739 I think speaks worlds to what Marten's really feeling about Dora, and also Faye.
These little touches were kinda overshadowed by the explosion that came a couple panels later, but in general I think they show there's a lot more under the surface here...besides the fights (or repressed non-fights), besides the other issues. Faye's using Marten as a meterstick to compare her feelings about Angus, and Martens appears to be feeling like something's missing, and that he's not exactly super happy. These two comics I thought were some of the most interested and thought-provoking I'd seen in a while, even more so than the ones with the blowups.
The Marten in panel 4 of 1739 needs out of this relationship. Maybe he's finally found an opportunity to seize control of the Marten who likes Dora, the Marten who just wants someone, and the Marten who doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
Arguing is fine, nearly every one of my posts here has been an argument with someone. But launching into a pointless string of obscenities is silly, fruitless, and diminishes any points he may have been trying to make.
Also, take a look at the comic again because I think we're interpreting it differently: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1797
Okay, look at the first panel. Dora's face is clearly remorseful and confused. I don't see how you could possibly get an "angry face" from this. I also don't see how you could construe her words as sarcastic. They seem genuine to me.
She also admits that Marten was right and that she shouldn't have invaded his privacy. She's confused. She isn't sure why Marten is so mad, so she she says that she didn't think it was that big of a deal in order to get an explanation from him. I don't see in any shape way or from how she is being angry, sarcastic, or unapologetic.
The problem here is that people are ignoring the reasons that Marten is at fault here as well.
Dora invaded Marten's privacy. Yes. She apologized. Yes. Instead of trying to, you know, explain to Dora why he was angry, he basically attacked her about a subject that she is rather sensitive about and is irrelevant to the situation. Dora is right. Marten is being a little vindictive.
And Dora actually was listening to Marten's side in this instance. She realized that he was right and apologized and explained why she did what she did. Instead of explaining to Dora why it was a big deal to him, he brought up things from the past, which, frankly, is only going to get the other person on the offensive.
They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.
I think they're going to get back together. Marten's face in the last panel says it all. They'll make up, apologize, nothing will change.I have nothing against them making up and apologizing (unlike some folks) but something needs to change, and I don't see why it can't. Status quo is not god in this comic. Things happen, relationships change, characters fade in and out of view. Dora and Marten can talk and make up, and STILL change things for the better. They don't HAVE to go back to the same sort of status quo that caused this explosion.
Or Dora could totally go hook up with Raven, or something, and Marten and Hannelore get together and form a clone army to conquer the world and make it a neat, tidy, and very passive place.
Dora made a big mistake in trying to apologize and settle the problem too quickly. No matter how she felt, if she understood his side, or failed to, it was just far too soon, and not fair on Martin. I point back to the Underwear crisis. Martin went after Dora too quickly, and it exacerbated the situation because it allowed Dora to feed the fire of her anger. She took his head off, unfairly, due to her anger. She kicked him out of his own damned room, no more questions asked.Or alternatively, she disliked the time she spent sitting in their room waiting for him to come back after the last fight and wishes that they had talked things out on the spot. Thus, when a fight begins again she tries to take what she sees as a better resolution and hash things out immediately.
Yet when Martin decides it's his turn to blow his top, Dora immediately expects to be allowed to resolve the issue right away, on her terms. That's an extremely self-centered view.
Or alternatively, she disliked the time she spent sitting in their room waiting for him to come back after the last fight and wishes that they had talked things out on the spot. Thus, when a fight begins again she tries to take what she sees as a better resolution and hash things out immediately.
We don't know what Dora is thinking, but a lot of you automatically assume the worst. Which is frustrating to those of us that like the character.
We don't know what Dora is thinking, but a lot of you automatically assume the worst. Which is frustrating to those of us that like the character.
OH BOY
I never said that it absolved Dora. I just said that Marten did not handle the situation as well as he could have either.They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.No, they aren't.
Do you honestly think Dora has the capacity to cease what has been in her fundamental character?Absolutely. People CAN change things about themselves if they're unhappy with the way they are. That's the entire purpose of therapy, which she should have been in long before now.
I don't get the joke in the punchline. Could someone explain it to me?
About fucking time. I am gonna be so annoyed if they get back together after this.
Ok, I made an account on here just so I could comment..
I skipped a bunch of middle pages so I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already, but in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795 third panel, Marten is making a joke about what his porn collection COULD be. This would automatically lead me to assume that he's comfortable with discussing the issue and that it's really not a big deal to him, otherwise he wouldn't have made it so lighthearted. I think that if Marten had said something like, "no seriously guys, this is making me uncomfortable", Dora would have clearly understood that he would be angry if she were to do what she did, and probably wouldn't have done so. For me, it's really a case of mixed messages on Marten's part.
I never said that it absolved Dora. I just said that Marten did not handle the situation as well as he could have either.They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.No, they aren't.
I think I got the quote tags right. :)
I find this comment intriguing. During the underwear incident I think there were several people who made comments pertaining to the fact that if Marten had handled the situation with Faye better - in other words, remembered to put on some pants - there never would have been an issue. If Marten had just remembered this one little thing, Dora might have not have been so upset about it. Two things though - it was a situation where he saw a panicked friend and didn't think beyond helping comfort her, and it isn't known for sure that Dora still might not have been upset because Faye was in her undies too, and that could have led to things.
I don't understand why it's Marten's responsibility to behave in a reasonable, rational manner and think of all things he should do to make sure Dora is kept happy at all times. He's a person. He's going to have faults. He's going to be angry. He's not going to behave in a reasonable manner. Especially in a fight. Sure, neither party made great choices, but I still say it is Dora's insecurities and her not working on them (even though she said she would) that have really led to this fight.
(And I'm really not trying to bash on Dora here. I get that obviously Marten's got issues too. But I think the underlying cause of all of this is through Dora herself, and it's made worse by her inability to see that.)
No, that wasn't a joke, that was a bluff. Totally different. His stuttering both before and after indicate he was uncomfortable with the subject. The bluff was a desperate attempt to disuade them. Of course, the idiot was bluffing Faye and Dora, which he should have known wouldn't work. Hanners and Mari, maybe, but not Faye and Dora.
I think we're just three of many. I'd be curious to see how many new accounts get generated in the next 24 hours.Ok, I made an account on here just so I could comment..
Ha! Me too!
Ok, I made an account on here just so I could comment..
I skipped a bunch of middle pages so I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already, but in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795 third panel, Marten is making a joke about what his porn collection COULD be. This would automatically lead me to assume that he's comfortable with discussing the issue and that it's really not a big deal to him, otherwise he wouldn't have made it so lighthearted. I think that if Marten had said something like, "no seriously guys, this is making me uncomfortable", Dora would have clearly understood that he would be angry if she were to do what she did, and probably wouldn't have done so. For me, it's really a case of mixed messages on Marten's part.
It's interesting to me that every time I do an argument in QC everybody tries to decide who's to blame.
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I disagree. I don't see how Dora's insecurities caused this fight at all. After all, it was Marten who brought up her insecurities. The main thing was that she wasn't respecting his privacy.
This is different than the underwear incident in that Marten did not think about putting on pants. It was not calculated at all. This time he purposely attacked Dora's insecurities because he was angry with her.
If you're going to argue that Marten doesn't have right to always be rational, then you can argue the same thing for Dora.
While I agree that Dora was mostly at fault in the Faye-Marten Underwear Incident, I disagree that she's just as much at fault here.
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I've never in my life heard anyway say "Look, I'm sorry, it's not a big deal!" in even a remotely sincere way. "Look, I'm sorry" absolutely smacks of being a dismissal of the other person's feelings.
But that's because whenever I think of them together, I don't think about the fights, I think about moments like http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=870 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=870) this
Glad it worked out for ya, but I'm just not wired that way. Physical attributes aren't the most important thing, but I just don't seem to notice girls who don't fit the template in 'that way'. They get automatically friend zoned by my brain, it's like a reflex or something. It seems to be working out for me. Hopefully I won't need to go looking again any time soon.
Also dammit Jeph, I should have started studying for my calculus test an hour ago. Stop distracting me with your well written characters and story!
Spoilet: it's all Hannelore's fault (she dies in strip #2000)
@Moxie: Okay, I get what you're saying. This is why they need to talk this out instead of just a blanket "we'll work this out" like last time.
I think that Marten's obviously not happy with Dora. Maybe Dora has been picking up on it, so maybe she's not quite as paranoid as she seems.
I disagree. I don't see how Dora's insecurities caused this fight at all. After all, it was Marten who brought up her insecurities. The main thing was that she wasn't respecting his privacy.
This is different than the underwear incident in that Marten did not think about putting on pants. It was not calculated at all. This time he purposely attacked Dora's insecurities because he was angry with her.
If you're going to argue that Marten doesn't have right to always be rational, then you can argue the same thing for Dora.
While I agree that Dora was mostly at fault in the Faye-Marten Underwear Incident, I disagree that she's just as much at fault here.
And at this point Dora will be kidnapped by a group of rampaging Canadians
I just read the entire 3+-page drama here. My eyes are kind of sore and glazed over now.I'm so sorry, nobody deserves to have to tackle all of this in one go :cry:
Uhhh yeah. Lemme echo what I said earlier: Marten totally has a right to be pissed off. I would be. I don't know if this is the end of Marten/Dora, but I really won't mind if it is.
I used to ship Marten/Faye a loooong time ago, so I'm not exactly Dora's biggest fan (I'm generally ambivalent about her. The only character I actively dislike is Marigold), but that's not the reason I'm hoping it's over. I think the relationship has run its course. I don't want Marten to get together with Faye, really, because I like Angus/Faye a lot and want them to be a success. I'm just tired of the bickering and constant arguments and the stomping off.
Agree 100% I don't think this is the start of Marten/Faye, far from it. Faye has moved on from Marten, I think that moment that she patted Marten's head after her date solidified that. Were this simply the end of Dora/Marten and both of them we back to being single for awhile, I would be one happy reader.
And at this point Dora will be kidnapped by a group of rampaging Canadians
Either that, or Marten gets mangled by Vespavenger.
Yeah Dora has no place to go unless she sleeps in the coffee shop. She might have to stay over Sven's and talk to him about it, and Sven already knows about the other fight (whether Dora knows he is aware of the previous fight remains to be seen) so he may have some sound advice.
I kind of agree that his an apathetic guy, goes with the flow. This said I disagree completely with the notion that he only "went with Dora" because he couldn't get Faye. Someone before mentioned that because she asked him out, therefore he was not attracted to her. Um, no! That's slightly sexist to say the least. A girl can ask a guy out and they can go on to have a happy relationship.It isn't even remotely sexist, I don't know where you get that from. Dora was strongly attracted to him, that much was obvious and Faye had picked up on it even if Marten hadn't. On the other hand, Marten just saw her as a friend as far as I can tell. It's not because she asked him out that I presume he wasn't attracted to her... he just did not seem to be, at any point during the story.
He wouldn't have said yes had he not been attracted to her. They wouldn't have gone on to date for a few MONTHS had he NOT been attracted to her! If you are not attracted to someone, I find it difficult to believe you would have a relationship beyond a few weeks.How long in real time does 1200 strips equate to? Sometimes we get three weeks of strips that seem to happen on the same day. Maybe it has only been a couple of months. In any case, the relationship is clearly not lasting, and could easily have ended several times already. It's unstable, partly because Marten isn't strongly attracted to her
Yeah Dora has no place to go unless she sleeps in the coffee shop. She might have to stay over Sven's and talk to him about it, and Sven already knows about the other fight (whether Dora knows he is aware of the previous fight remains to be seen) so he may have some sound advice.
She knows he knows: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1755 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1755)
I kind of agree that his an apathetic guy, goes with the flow. This said I disagree completely with the notion that he only "went with Dora" because he couldn't get Faye. Someone before mentioned that because she asked him out, therefore he was not attracted to her. Um, no! That's slightly sexist to say the least. A girl can ask a guy out and they can go on to have a happy relationship. He wouldn't of said yes had he not been attracted to her. They wouldn't have gone on to date for a few MONTHS had he NOT been attracted to her! If you are not attracted to someone, I find it difficult to believe you would have a relationship beyond a few weeks. Also what's the link between a girl asking a guy out and therefore a guy is not attracted to the girl? Ridiculous!
She knows he knows:
Agree 100% I don't think this is the start of Marten/Faye, far from it. Faye has moved on from Marten, I think that moment that she patted Marten's head after her date solidified that. Were this simply the end of Dora/Marten and both of them we back to being single for awhile, I would be one happy reader.Even though I'll always want to see Marten/Faye, that was the moment that I had to accept it probably won't happen. It was very poignant, for me.
yup look at the comic iduguphergrave posted.She knows he knows:
Yes, but does he know that she knows he knows?
She knows he knows:
Yes, but does he know that she knows he knows?
I think Martin is a pretty insightful person, and he saw potential in a relationship with Dora. They have compatible personalities, they enjoy each others company, and they are attracted to each other. Martin gave the relationship with Dora a real chance, not a "I'll use you as a placeholder until Faye is ready" chance.I sort of agree with this. I believe he saw a certain potential, but I see it as a calculated chance rather than anything from the heart.
And it paid off, Martin fell in love with Dora. He's still in love with Dora. That doesn't excuse the fact that Dora has to work on some issues, as in Therapy work on issues. Martin could use some personal improvement, but nowhere near as much as Dora.This is where we differ, you see... I can't perceive any love in the comics flowing in that direction. Sometimes I see Dora's love for Marten, but not the other way around. I suppose it could be there, but I just don't see it. I always see a guy who is coasting along, but not fulfilled.
For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going? Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions). It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.
For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going? Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions). It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.
For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going? Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions). It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.
QuoteAnd it paid off, Martin fell in love with Dora. He's still in love with Dora. That doesn't excuse the fact that Dora has to work on some issues, as in Therapy work on issues. Martin could use some personal improvement, but nowhere near as much as Dora.This is where we differ, you see... I can't perceive any love in the comics flowing in that direction. Sometimes I see Dora's love for Marten, but not the other way around. I suppose it could be there, but I just don't see it. I always see a guy who is coasting along, but not fulfilled.
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This is where we differ, you see... I can't perceive any love in the comics flowing in that direction. Sometimes I see Dora's love for Marten, but not the other way around. I suppose it could be there, but I just don't see it. I always see a guy who is coasting along, but not fulfilled.
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How long in real time does 1200 strips equate to? Sometimes we get three weeks of strips that seem to happen on the same day. Maybe it has only been a couple of months.
Jeph said in a recent ustream that he estimates that Dora and Marten have been dating for around a year now.yeah im the same way right now. I should go to bed though.
I should really go to sleep but holy crap this is exciting!
No, I don't get out often, why do you ask?
I think that Martin is unfulfilled, but not in the relationship aspect (or, at least he is fulfilled when Dora isn't being...... touchy) There's a strip where Martin asks Tai 'is this all that there is?" (can't find the strip, grrr) where he expresses disappointment in his job and where his musical career seems to be going. I think he's still unfulfilled in that area.I remember that one, so I take your point even if you can't remember the exact strip.
I also think there's a strip where Martin specifically says that he loves Dora, right around when she wants them to move in together. http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1591...God damn it.
other than her insecurities shes a pretty awesome girl.Each to his own. :-o
There's just something about the way they are depicted in even their happy moments that just makes me feel uncomfortable, like... I'm watching a train wreck in slow motion, or some other horrible disaster.
"Marten waits a bit, goes to the shop and gets hit by a car 2 blocks away. Dora and Faye both walk up as he's being put into the ambulance. Tears are shed. The servers to these forums burst into flames from the ensuing forum drama. Jeph watches as it burns and laughs a big hearty laugh. Series ends with a snap of Yelling Bird flipping everyone off yelling "THIS ENOUGH DRAMA FOR YOU {insert vulgar insult here}?!""
I think you're looking for the "Jumping the Shark" Thread.
I'm almost hoping that Hanners comes downstairs, worry-cap on, saying she heard shouting and hoping everything was ok, only to find Martin curled up on the couch while Pintsize uploads Martin's meager porn collection. She asks if he's ok, sits next to him, says if he need a hug, she wants to be able to give him one, then he leans against her, and then...... put the worry hat on him, tell him it's gonna be alright and that she thinks he should just let everything cool off, or have her mother "put her away" if he doesn't want the end of their social circle.
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It's almost like she's on autopilot or something.
...I just have to say: the slow evolution of Marten as a character is one of the main reasons I keep reading QC, and I can't wait to see where this goes.
Look, I'm supposed to be up this time of night.
Rest of y'all are just trying to see if this thing hits 10 pages by Wednesday morning.
...(or a mother with a shark tank)...
Yeah, I was bothered when the strip went a month this year with Marten speaking once.
I'm thinking Martin needs a new lady friend, hopefully either the 'new-and-improved' Hanners or a new cast member, I just don't see him with anyone who's currently available.
I think some people in this thread have been starting to mix up "X is at fault for what's going on" with "X is a terrible person." Get some perspective kthx.
In short, get ready for:
Talk 2: The Talkening
The problem is pretty obvious. Dora needs to be in command of a relationship, not merely the dominant person. If she just needed to the dominant person, it would have worked And I'm not surprised Marten said that he was sick of her "apologies". She never actually means them.
So it is a break up worthy thing if faults are always committed and the apologies are never meant. Marten wanted to explain and get past this; Dora didn't wait for the explanation and so dumped Marten before he could dump her. Once again she stays in command of the relationship.
Hell even I who hoped for some improvements with this relationship, now am tending towards permanent break up.
My personal computer is not merely a tool I use to get online or write letters with. It is the repository of my life, my thoughts, my hopes and dreams. It holds my tax returns, my resume, the logs of online roleplay sessions both ridiculously fannish and totally perverted. It contains my goals, my fantasies (pornographic and non), my emails to relatives people don't know I have, lovers that my closest friends don't know I've had, and suicide letters I've written with no actual intent other than to vent my feelings at the time without resorting to that final option. My computer's hard drive is, in a very real sense, the inside of my soul. Or as direct an analogue as can be found.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Dora doesn't respect Marten. He's a doormat. He's whitebread. His wishes are automatically rejected as not serious. Dora does as she pleases and while we've seen moments of love between the two, I'm not sure we've ever really seen Dora put Marten ahead of herself (whereas we've definitely seen vice-versa). I'm not sure if we've seen Dora put anyone's wishes ahead of her own ever other than her worries about Faye being angry at her for "taking" Marten and her compromise of moving in with Marten and Faye (a compromise suggested by someone else, and remembering her first option was to have Marty go with her and let Faye go wherever, but at least she took the compromise).
I'm really hoping we get Dora vs Sven out of this, because Dora's issues are with Sven and he knows it and she knows it and we've never seen them have it out on screen, nor is there any sign it has happened off screen. If Dora goes to stay with Sven while "on break" with Marty, maybe it will finally happen. Dora won't change until she finally squares that away.Same, this is my main wish at the moment. We've seen Dora slap around Sven time and time again, but from his conversation with Marten we know that Sven understands Dora's psyche pretty well. Now is the time for their roles to reverse: Sven needs to give Dora verbal slap across the face by pointing out she has these issues, she knows that she has them, yet continues to do nothing about them. Not only would it be good for Dora, but it would cement Sven's character development after his Faye breakup.
It's even money that when Dora gets back CoD, she'll be in tears and tell Faye that Marten dumped her, when all that really happened is that they were having a fight.
:-o I trade my "oh boy" for an "oh MAN"
Are you sure you're going back far enough? How many pages did the Faye/Sven hookup go.
It happened in February 2008.
...I like Dora. As a character. But I would not want her as an RL friend (were such a thing possible). Reason being: I would figure out pretty quickly that being Dora's "friend" would mean being snarked at for something I didn't deserve, or mocked for something I held dear, and I would purposely distance myself from her as much as possible upon figuring that out, because "friends" like that, I do not need.
Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked. I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with.
No regrets. And she's much less violent than those redheads. ;)
[...]Um, being a computer expert, I hate to inform you that your computer is something that is very easily broken into, and very easily all data on the computer gets lost.
My personal computer is not merely a tool I use to get online or write letters with. It is the repository of my life, my thoughts, my hopes and dreams. [...]
Dora telling Faye that Martin dumped her is pretty extreme reality bending, Dora may have exaggerated/jumped to conclusions about events in the past, but never to that extent. Dora clearly ended the relationship. Even she should be able to acknowledge that. If she doesn't I call character assassination.
Torpedo the Anyone/Hannelore ship before it even gets out of drydock: WOG has said it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
The problem is pretty obvious. Dora needs to be in command of a relationship, not merely the dominant person. If she just needed to the dominant person, it would have worked And I'm not surprised Marten said that he was sick of her "apologies". She never actually means them.I have to say theres some really good reads in this thread. Like this one.
So it is a break up worthy thing if faults are always committed and the apologies are never meant. Marten wanted to explain and get past this; Dora didn't wait for the explanation and so dumped Marten before he could dump her. Once again she stays in command of the relationship.
Hell even I who hoped for some improvements with this relationship, now am tending towards permanent break up.
Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked. I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with.
No regrets. And she's much less violent than those redheads. ;)
Off topic, but could you point me to the extra-busty redheads? Or at least your technique for catching them in the first place? :)
Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked. I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with.
No regrets. And she's much less violent than those redheads. ;)
Off topic, but could you point me to the extra-busty redheads? Or at least your technique for catching them in the first place? :)
TBH I don't know if Dora really loves Marten (speaking as Marten as a man). I mean, being insecure and all, she's being too picky with him, she's treating him like an old friend or a little brother/cousin. She won't realize she's pushing the boundaries between do and don'ts on a relationship.
[...]Um, being a computer expert, I hate to inform you that your computer is something that is very easily broken into, and very easily all data on the computer gets lost.
My personal computer is not merely a tool I use to get online or write letters with. It is the repository of my life, my thoughts, my hopes and dreams. [...]
Never trust the machine.
The YMCA was a good place to find them... they are always trying to burn off those extra pounds because they think they are fat.
As for "catching" them, all I did was be my normal charming self... treat them like human beings... and in general go in looking to be a "friend" rather than Mr. Fuck-And-Chuck. You'd be surprised how well that works for "catching" teh womens.
TBH I don't know if Dora really loves Marten (speaking as Marten as a man). I mean, being insecure and all, she's being too picky with him, she's treating him like an old friend or a little brother/cousin. She won't realize she's pushing the boundaries between do and don'ts on a relationship.
Freud would absolutely love this comic, that's for sure. Marten has some serious Oedipal issues going on (what with the only wishing to date/being attracted to women that take a domineering stance with him initially) and Dora has that Niquee and Anasterax thing going on as sub-text with Sven.
I could see Dora and Marten breaking up over this, although it's obvious that that's not what Marten really wants.
There's no way in hell that I could see Marten ACTUALLY dating Hanners. I could see Hanners wanting to, but I couldn't see Marten thinking of her in that way at all, and even if he did, I couldn't see him wanting to deal with those issues right after Dora's issues.
I could see Dora and Marten breaking up over this, although it's obvious that that's not what Marten really wants.
They actually have broken up. Dora just dumped Marten remember. They need to stay broken up for some time at the minimum.
Prediction: Dora will go back to CoD and get all emotional with Faye around. Then after work she'll go see Sven and they'll both talk to each other about how much their lives suck. Sven because he thought he was making progress towards being a better person but got shot down by Faye. Dora because she's always had to work to make a relationship last with her past douchebags and now she's doing a fine job of destroying the one person who she's not had to bend over backwards for. Dora will get upset with Sven initially, because she's upset that he's never had to try to get women, while she's had the opposite.EVERYONE FUCKS THEN I RETIRE*
But they'll both revert back to their old ways out of self pity. Sven will seduce Dora and they'll have intense, rigorous, and deliciously painful sex for the whole night. Then, the next day, Sven will leave unannounced realizing what an asshole move it was to have sex with his own sister. Of course they didn't think to use protection and Dora will get pregnant with her brother's child. And since Sven will not be around, she will be a single mother living on her own.
As for Marten, he'll be standing in the doorway for about 15 minutes after Dora leaves with the same dumb expression on his face, only after about five minutes tears will start flowing from his eyes. Hanners will show up with cleaning supplies on expecting that Marten would be gone and she was going to secretly clean his apartment while he was gone. Then she'll see Marten crying and it'll change her completely. Marten is such a great, and emotionally strong man. There's no way he could be crying unless it was a true tragedy.
She'll approach him and he'll jump, not noticing she was there. She'll ask if he's okay and he'll wipe away his tears while saying yes, trying to remain strong. Hanners will see through it though. Marten is a sort of hero to her and has helped her so much, and now its her turn to return the favor. She'll grab him by the hand with her yellow glove hands, take him over to the couch to sit him down, and take a seat next to him. She'll ask him what is wrong and to not bother telling her nothing because she knows better!
Marten will explain the situation and she'll tell him that he deserves better than Dora. Hanners will take off her gloves, scoot closer to Marten and nuzzle his face with her face mask and put her bare hand on his lap. Marten will be shocked initially, because he knows of her OCD. He'll grab her hand to move it away from him, but as soon as he touches her hand, he'll realize how soft and clean her skin is.
Marten will stare blankly into her bright, beautiful blue eyes.
"What about your O-" He'll mutter.
"It can be ignored." Hanners will retort.
And I'll leave the intimate Hanners and Marten to your imagination, except that Marten will use a condom since they're in Marten's (and formerly Dora's) place.
I can think of three real fights -
1. This one
2. The underwear incident
3. Marten getting hit on.
Were there others I don't recall?
I guess I'm in the minority here who likes Marten and Dora together. People keep talking about them fighting all the time, but really, how often have they fought. I can think of three real fights -
1. This one
2. The underwear incident
3. Marten getting hit on.
Were there others I don't recall?
[...]Most Americans. We like to know there's a villain responsible for everything. Listen to any American politician give a speech. They don't talk about what they will do to fix problems or to prevent future problems, instead they spend the whole speech assigning blame for the current problems.[...]Not only Americans (although i guess you were refering to North Americans) but the whole human race acts like that. And that's just.... pretty sad.....
the whole human race acts like that
...and now I'm wondering how this fight would have gone down if it turned out Marten was into bro/sis incest fiction.Prediction: Dora will go back to CoD and get all emotional with Faye around. Then after work she'll go see Sven and they'll both talk to each other about how much their lives suck. Sven because he thought he was making progress towards being a better person but got shot down by Faye. Dora because she's always had to work to make a relationship last with her past douchebags and now she's doing a fine job of destroying the one person who she's not had to bend over backwards for. Dora will get upset with Sven initially, because she's upset that he's never had to try to get women, while she's had the opposite.EVERYONE FUCKS THEN I RETIRE*
But they'll both revert back to their old ways out of self pity. Sven will seduce Dora and they'll have intense, rigorous, and deliciously painful sex for the whole night. Then, the next day, Sven will leave unannounced realizing what an asshole move it was to have sex with his own sister. Of course they didn't think to use protection and Dora will get pregnant with her brother's child. And since Sven will not be around, she will be a single mother living on her own.
As for Marten, he'll be standing in the doorway for about 15 minutes after Dora leaves with the same dumb expression on his face, only after about five minutes tears will start flowing from his eyes. Hanners will show up with cleaning supplies on expecting that Marten would be gone and she was going to secretly clean his apartment while he was gone. Then she'll see Marten crying and it'll change her completely. Marten is such a great, and emotionally strong man. There's no way he could be crying unless it was a true tragedy.
She'll approach him and he'll jump, not noticing she was there. She'll ask if he's okay and he'll wipe away his tears while saying yes, trying to remain strong. Hanners will see through it though. Marten is a sort of hero to her and has helped her so much, and now its her turn to return the favor. She'll grab him by the hand with her yellow glove hands, take him over to the couch to sit him down, and take a seat next to him. She'll ask him what is wrong and to not bother telling her nothing because she knows better!
Marten will explain the situation and she'll tell him that he deserves better than Dora. Hanners will take off her gloves, scoot closer to Marten and nuzzle his face with her face mask and put her bare hand on his lap. Marten will be shocked initially, because he knows of her OCD. He'll grab her hand to move it away from him, but as soon as he touches her hand, he'll realize how soft and clean her skin is.
Marten will stare blankly into her bright, beautiful blue eyes.
"What about your O-" He'll mutter.
"It can be ignored." Hanners will retort.
And I'll leave the intimate Hanners and Marten to your imagination, except that Marten will use a condom since they're in Marten's (and formerly Dora's) place.
*Hannelore realdoll
Many people are saying that Marten and Dora are broken up as of Tuesday's strip (1797,) but are they?
They both said some pretty nasty things, and they had a huge fight over something that may or may not have been that big a deal, but, at their current level of entanglement, have they truly, officially, according to Hoyle-ly broken up?
It is my position that they have not, as yet broken up.
Given their level of commitment, a break up must be explicitly stated to be in effect.
Dora saying "well that's it then" does not meat this standard.
That is not to say they won't break up, and does not mean that Dora and/or Marten won't consider the relationship over, until one of them says something unambiguous to that effect, they are still, technically, together.
what it bothers me is that us, as humans have the choice to find the best solutions, not the easiest. But our instict overcomes most people, and they try to find an scapegoat easily... An animal will only work hard, only if needed to, but we have the brain to choose to do it! And still...the whole human race acts like that
More than just the human race- other primates and such mammals have been known to form social cliques and scapegoat as well, such as the bathing monkeys of Jigokudani. It's because mammals are inherently not a naturally studious and hardworking form of creature. If a bear can find a way to laze around all day, it will. Thus, instead of studiously working to find solutions to problems, we as mammals have the tendency to seek quick and easy answers. Thus is borne the instinct to scapegoat.
...or until Marten tosses all of her stuff (including Mieville) out onto the lawn of the apartment building.
EDIT: Phew! Didn't want to be the post that turns it into page 10!
EDIT (2): Wow, it's in the top five all-time. Um, yay Jeph?
...or until Marten tosses all of her stuff (including Mieville) out onto the lawn of the apartment building.
Now that would be pretty unambiguous wouldn't it.
But Marten would never do that.
<pause>
Unless Faye egged him on...
Yeah that would be a career move!
Quote from: jephjacques (twitter)It's interesting to me that every time I do an argument in QC everybody tries to decide who's to blame.
(Dorven incestfic and Hanners and Marten Versus the SPAAAAACE WIZARDS deleted)
EVERYONE FUCKS THEN I RETIRE*
*Hannelore realdoll
...and now I'm wondering how this fight would have gone down if it turned out Marten was into bro/sis incest fiction.
Damn you all!
...or until Marten tosses all of her stuff (including Mieville) out onto the lawn of the apartment building.
My husband is definitely the type to walk away from an argument to regain composure, but I'm the type that when he does this the argument festers and I get angrier and the longer he waits the more I turn myself into an innocent victim and cast him as the villian. Let's hope Dora isn't like that. But to anyone who is calling for their break up, my husband and I have been together for over seven years, married for one and we are still working on these issues. Life is like that. Not every fictional couple can be Bella and Edward with their perfectstalkerabusiveloving relationship.
My wife and I were much the same. I'd want to cool down, and in the interim she'd continue to boil over. It took a couple of years, but we've learned to channel it differently - rather than leaving to calm myself down, I focus on calming her down first, agreeing that there's a problem, and turning it into a mental exercise to try and get to the root of the problem before either of us gets too heated.
No, it doesn't always work. But it's better than what used to happen!
i honestly forgot how horrifying this subforum isLOL
Quelle dramage!
November 22nd: YELLING BIRD PRESENTS SIX WEEKS OF GUEST STRIPS, SHITCOCKS.
D
...and now I'm wondering how this fight would have gone down if it turned out Marten was into bro/sis incest fiction.
Actually, my Total Drama Threshhold has the sequence like this:
1798: Dora at CoD, meltdown/semi-drama with Faye
1799: "You're right, I need to go talk it out with him. We can't leave it like this."
1800: Dora goes back home, Marten (and his stuff) are completely gone, moved out, no note. Pintsize has been left behind, the little traitor.
November 22nd: YELLING BIRD PRESENTS SIX WEEKS OF GUEST STRIPS, SHITCOCKS.
D
Hopefully your posting this prevents Jeph from following that path.
I'm starting to understand why Dora loses people to Sven. He's an ass but at least he says straight up these are the rules with me. And after a "relationship" with Dora, no strings might be just what some people need. He only crossed one line, a line he didn't quite know he was crossing. A big one to be fair but he didn't know. he thought it was casual. And he did try to correct it. Too late as it happens but unlike Dora he tried.
Blaming Sven means Dora doesn't have to examine her behaviour. The fault line in relationships looking to be Dora's not Sven's. Until Dora can honestly say she's at fault, her relationships will not improve.
...and now I'm wondering how this fight would have gone down if it turned out Marten was into bro/sis incest fiction.
I was more worried about the possibility of a secret folder named "faye36D". :roll:
Someone before mentioned that because she asked him out, therefore he was not attracted to her. Um, no! That's slightly sexist to say the least. A girl can ask a guy out and they can go on to have a happy relationship.
I can tell just by reading a lot of these posts that everyone here who doesn't think Dora broke a huge relationship boundry probably hasn't had a loving relationship. In love there are many unforgiving crimes, you don't break someone's trust and then chase them down to try and fix it. The way she's apologizing make it seem like it was some victimless crime, when the victim is standing right in front of you.
I can tell just by reading a lot of these posts that everyone here who doesn't think Dora broke a huge relationship boundry probably hasn't had a loving relationship. In love there are many unforgiving crimes, you don't break someone's trust and then chase them down to try and fix it. The way she's apologizing make it seem like it was some victimless crime, when the victim is standing right in front of you.wow, that's quite a claim to make. :psyduck:
I can tell just by reading a lot of these posts that everyone here who doesn't think Dora broke a huge relationship boundry probably hasn't had a loving relationship. In love there are many unforgiving crimes, you don't break someone's trust and then chase them down to try and fix it. The way she's apologizing make it seem like it was some victimless crime, when the victim is standing right in front of you.
Ill agree with that- From similar experiences, Martin would have been well within the right to blow up the way he did- when something like that happens, its not like "OHAI! door slammed, life can be teh happy nao!". Then of course, the chick always has to be Ms. Icanfixanything and come in, breaking out the Emo-BOOMstick(S-mart special), and causing the "oh shit" moment a few minutes later.
curious to see how the rest of the week goes.
I can tell just by reading a lot of these posts that everyone here who doesn't think Dora broke a huge relationship boundry probably hasn't had a loving relationship. In love there are many unforgiving crimes, you don't break someone's trust and then chase them down to try and fix it. The way she's apologizing make it seem like it was some victimless crime, when the victim is standing right in front of you.wow, that's quite a claim to make. :psyduck:
...wow, that's quite a claim to make. :psyduck:
Damn. And to think my first post was just obsessing over Minecraft.
:psyduck:
...wow, that's quite a claim to make. :psyduck:
Time and time again, I've seen countless people come to her defense as a simple selfish child who doesn't even understand what she does wrong. If she's capable of apologizing for a wrongdoing then she's capable of understanding why she was wrong, knowing you are wrong and continuing to do wrong represents uncaring for your partner. No one is this oblivious, except certain posters on QC I guess.
Marten assumes Dora should already know it's private.
Time and time again, I've seen countless people come to her defense as a simple selfish child who doesn't even understand what she does wrong. If she's capable of apologizing for a wrongdoing then she's capable of understanding why she was wrong, knowing you are wrong and continuing to do wrong represents uncaring for your partner. No one is this oblivious, except certain posters on QC I guess.I'm not saying that she has an excuse for what she did. Because she hasn't (although i can find some wrongdoing in marten too). I was just saying that's quite a claim to make.
How about, "hasn't had a loving relationship with anyone who considers their computer a private place."Now, that's more like it! :psyduck:
Better?
Marten assumes Dora should already know it's private.
Marten didnt assume, he said in the second panel (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795) that it should remain private.
IT"S TIME FOR SOME DRAMA, boys and girls! :mrgreen:
Heh, now if Marten asks Dora to listen to him and she tells him off, because he gets to listen to her, not the other way around, this will be almost identical to my last relationship.
huh.
JEPH IF YOU HAVE CAMERAS IN MY HOUSE I AM GOING TO FIND THEM AND PUT MY NUTS ON THEM.
GOOD JOB JEPH. Why are you not drawing EVERY thing these characters do?
DID he grab some lunch with Faye? I'll never know!
Sure, you've drawn them using the bathroom, but do they pluck their nose hairs?? Pick at that nasty pimple on their buttcheek? Fart in their sleep???
I SIMPLY MUST KNOW.
......wow, that's quite a claim to make. :psyduck:
Knowing you are wrong and continuing to do wrong represents uncaring for your partner. <--- your mostly true statement
STAYING with said partner and being surprised by this behavior represents a naive mindset. <---my completely true statement
Heh, now if Marten asks Dora to listen to him and she tells him off, because he gets to listen to her, not the other way around, this will be almost identical to my last relationship.
huh.
JEPH IF YOU HAVE CAMERAS IN MY HOUSE I AM GOING TO FIND THEM AND PUT MY NUTS ON THEM.
I meant he thought Dora was grabbing lunch, not running home to actually look at his porn. he was probably keeping Faye company at CoD seeing as you didnt see anyone else there.
Yes, Dora and Marten have terrible communication, but it's never going to improve as long as Marten won't actually stand up for himself when he is upset at the time and as long as Dora continues to assume she knows how this all is going to play out rather than actually paying attention to what she's got.I really think more of the latter. That's not 'blaming' Dora—it's just that no matter how much Marten expresses himself, as long as Dora is seeing this relationship in terms of her past ones, his communications aren't going to do much good.
Well...Far away. Far, far away.
There's always..
Marigold!
*runs away*
Prediction: Dora will go back to CoD and get all emotional with Faye around. Then after work she'll go see Sven and they'll both talk to each other about how much their lives suck. Sven because he thought he was making progress towards being a better person but got shot down by Faye. Dora because she's always had to work to make a relationship last with her past douchebags and now she's doing a fine job of destroying the one person who she's not had to bend over backwards for. Dora will get upset with Sven initially, because she's upset that he's never had to try to get women, while she's had the opposite.
Marten doesn't have to stay with her, he's just coming to understand that she is unchanging in her respect to him as a partner. He said it, "And I'm sick of your apologies!, this wasn't a make or break the relationship problem until this point, that's completely on Marten for dealing with it quietly until this point. She's forcing his hand at this point though by responding angrily to a problem she generated.
Heh, now if Marten asks Dora to listen to him and she tells him off, because he gets to listen to her, not the other way around, this will be almost identical to my last relationship.
huh.
JEPH IF YOU HAVE CAMERAS IN MY HOUSE I AM GOING TO FIND THEM AND PUT MY NUTS ON THEM.
Life sucks for you, doesn't it? LOLZ
Marten doesn't have to stay with her, he's just coming to understand that she is unchanging in her respect to him as a partner. He said it, "And I'm sick of your apologies!, this wasn't a make or break the relationship problem until this point, that's completely on Marten for dealing with it quietly until this point. She's forcing his hand at this point though by responding angrily to a problem she generated.
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You really believe that in the heat of the discussion he honestly believes that? Ok, let's say he did really meant to say that. what has he(or have they) done to work out Dora's issues, since their last discussion? They just say: "it's okay everyone has issues, we can work it out" and then? Nothing, not a serious talk about it, nothing...
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No one can 'force your hand'. You can choose to get angry or choose to stay calm.
In a relationship, blaming one or the other does absolutely nothing helpful.
If my partner came in and calmly told me they were really disappointed in me and why, it would be ten times more devastating and more effective than 'What the hell?'.
They both need to calm down and start talking about feelings. And *then* how they can prevent stuff like this in the future.
Dora doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants a doormat.
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However, instead of taking that clear boundary into consideration, Dora just ignored it. It says something about their respect for each other and the power balance. That's why I don't think the vindictive prick line is fair, Dora clearly doesn't get the situation and Marten just brought it into perspective the only way he knew how.
Dora doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants a doormat.
How can she not have forced his hand, Marten is a pushover true but even he can't ignore how she is acting. What did he do wrong to deserve a door slam in his face and guilt over the fact that his privacy and trust are being tested? There's nothing calm about her, I understand her intensity during the underwear event but there's no way to justify her actions this time.
Dora doesn't want a boyfriend, she wants a doormat.
Hannersmarten would nice each other to death. While I imagine that would appeal to both of them right now... there's no place for the relationship to go w/o breaking character.
It has my heart's vote, but not my mind's ;)
I heard it said quite well on another forum:that is a pretty good description of the current situation.
'Dora has consistently apologized for overstepping in one way and then turned around and done it somewhere else. It's like she isn't seeing the fundamental similarities between the various scenarios. She's like a little kid — "you told me not to draw on the walls with my crayons, so I drew on the refrigerator with my markers."'
The YMCA was a good place to find them... they are always trying to burn off those extra pounds because they think they are fat.
As for "catching" them, all I did was be my normal charming self... treat them like human beings... and in general go in looking to be a "friend" rather than Mr. Fuck-And-Chuck. You'd be surprised how well that works for "catching" teh womens.
Yeah, it wasn't the "catching" bit, more the "finding". I hardly ever meet any!
The YMCA, really? Young man, it's a place you can go, I said young man, when you're short on your dough, but chicks there, really?
But then they do say that you can stay there and they're sure you will find many ways to have a good time, so I suppose it makes sense!
Hey! No Machiavellian thread jacking! :-D LOL.
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At this point, I want to say 'troll', because it seems like you're not reading everything here (or are ignoring some things). However, just in case you aren't a troll..
....
Fuck you...
Fuck you...
Fuck you
None of what I said justified her actions.
The whole premise is: blame does nothing useful.
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And if you read 'find a solution together' as 'get back together and be happy', then you prove my point that you aren't hearing me. :(
wow... just wow.
Well, at the end of the day, Marten is right in this situation.
I guess Dora will have to find someone else to freak the fuck out on.
Uh oh, Dora and Martin look alike again. It got better for a few panels but they are the same again.
I am very interested in this storyline, and I think a Dora / Martin split would be very interesting. Also watching who the other characters side with would be quite neat. Who would Faye side with? I wonder if the break up would cause problems with her relationship, as she is kinda fragile - psyche wise.
Yeahhhh, you do realise that the interpretation of "The prince" as satire is a really recent invention? Considering that there had already been a book published in England, refuting Mach's points before "The prince" had even been translated, you sort of understand why people might not see it as satire.
I am very interested in this storyline, and I think a Dora / Martin split would be very interesting. Also watching who the other characters side with would be quite neat. Who would Faye side with? I wonder if the break up would cause problems with her relationship, as she is kinda fragile - psyche wise.
You know, that's an interesting point. Over the underwear incident Faye sided with Marten and called Dora out on her inappropriate behavior. But Faye was there, and she knew what happened. Here, we have Dora going off on an idea Faye had. Would Faye even take sides at all? Would she call Dora out on her inappropriate actions, as well as tell Marten he needs to be more aggressive whenever something matters to him?
I am very interested in this storyline, and I think a Dora / Martin split would be very interesting. Also watching who the other characters side with would be quite neat. Who would Faye side with? I wonder if the break up would cause problems with her relationship, as she is kinda fragile - psyche wise.
You know, that's an interesting point. Over the underwear incident Faye sided with Marten and called Dora out on her inappropriate behavior. But Faye was there, and she knew what happened. Here, we have Dora going off on an idea Faye had. Would Faye even take sides at all? Would she call Dora out on her inappropriate actions, as well as tell Marten he needs to be more aggressive whenever something matters to him?
That said, I probably think we're forgetting that Dora has been under a lot of stress lately. The Coffee of Doom wasn't doing so well, then she overworked herself (60 hours a week!), then she hired two not-really-perfect employees (I am under the impression that Penelopes hiring was a lot less difficult), then she got all worked up over the Hanners/Sven-Thing (whether she was right or not is not the question, it added stress). She's bottling it up, too, and letting it out on Marten.
Oh, and Marten and Faye need to make teh kisses.
Dora doesn't understand Marten's sexual inhibition, and she's probably never going to. Sure, she can maybe kinda-sorta look at it logically and deduce that perhaps Marten's upbringing has messed with his head a little. But she won't truly understand that. Most sexually open people don't. I mean, they accept that people like Marten exist, sure...but on some level they feel like those people can just be shaken up a bit, and all will be right with the world (see: Rocky Horror Picture Show).
Hey! No Machiavellian thread jacking! :-D LOL.
Yeahhhh, you do realise that the interpretation of "The prince" as satire is a really recent invention? Considering that there had already been a book published in England, refuting Mach's points before "The prince" had even been translated, you sort of understand why people might not see it as satire.
Wow.
Just.. wow.
The sheer arrogance implicit in your post is awe inspiring.
I though I was king shit of self-absorbed mountain, but you, just.. wow.
I bow to you.
I know I'm arrogant. But I'm just trying to be honest, really :3
QuoteWow.
Just.. wow.
The sheer arrogance implicit in your post is awe inspiring.
I though I was king shit of self-absorbed mountain, but you, just.. wow.
I bow to you.
I know I'm arrogant. But I'm just trying to be honest, really :3
@eyosgkxb-- I know it would make crazy drama...I just like to dream. Sigh.
Blame does nothing useful? Aside from keep the dispute on point? This is a dispute isn't it? I see 2 people with hurt feelings by what cause? So the cause here isn't one of the parties involved is what you are saying?
I hate to sound like a "Troll" as you put it, but please clarify what you even meant in that post?
Well, at the end of the day, Marten is right in this situation.
Hmm, apropos of nothing, reading this forum must be for Jeph what it would be like for a long dead writer or philosopher to sit in on a 100 level english or philosophy course. Misinterpretations, assumptions, wild guesses etc. The link to comic 335 made me think of it. I mean, poor Machiavelli wrote a satire going so far as addressing it as a love letter to the family that had imprisoned and tortured him for his egalitarian ideals and now his name is synonymous with evil machinations and tyranny. Most people don't recognize it as satire at all! At least Machiavelli was long dead before his work was misappropriated. Jeph posts a comic and minutes later there is hyper-analysis of his every pen stroke and speech bubble. I think after work I'm going to have a drink in honor of all the authors of the world living in an age of immediate feedback.Such is the wonder of the Internets. At the same time, think of poor William Blake. Published a couple of books of poems that contain one, if not two of the most anthologized pieces ever in English lit ("The Tyger" and possibly "The Lamb"), and yet wilst he was alive, hardly anyone read them. Blake may well have been fine with that, but would he really have shit his britches if people had started responding to his words before he kicked the bucket?
QuoteWow.
Just.. wow.
The sheer arrogance implicit in your post is awe inspiring.
I though I was king shit of self-absorbed mountain, but you, just.. wow.
I bow to you.
I know I'm arrogant. But I'm just trying to be honest, really :3
@eyosgkxb-- I know it would make crazy drama...I just like to dream. Sigh.
I think what the other poster was getting at was your arrogance has no effect on the discussion of the current strip, it seemed very self absorbed to apply anything that had happened to you as an explanation/justification for anything that may happen in any strip.
I'm a Hanners/Anyone fan myself, I'd like to see her grow into more than comic relief.
Hmm, apropos of nothing, reading this forum must be for Jeph what it would be like for a long dead writer or philosopher to sit in on a 100 level english or philosophy course. Misinterpretations, assumptions, wild guesses etc. The link to comic 335 made me think of it. I mean, poor Machiavelli wrote a satire going so far as addressing it as a love letter to the family that had imprisoned and tortured him for his egalitarian ideals and now his name is synonymous with evil machinations and tyranny. Most people don't recognize it as satire at all! At least Machiavelli was long dead before his work was misappropriated. Jeph posts a comic and minutes later there is hyper-analysis of his every pen stroke and speech bubble. I think after work I'm going to have a drink in honor of all the authors of the world living in an age of immediate feedback.Such is the wonder of the Internets. At the same time, think of poor William Blake. Published a couple of books of poems that contain one, if not two of the most anthologized pieces ever in English lit ("The Tyger" and possibly "The Lamb"), and yet wilst he was alive, hardly anyone read them. Blake may well have been fine with that, but would he really have shit his britches if people had started responding to his words before he kicked the bucket?
And Poe. Edgar Poe, I suspect, would have loved the Internet.
Blame does nothing useful? Aside from keep the dispute on point? This is a dispute isn't it? I see 2 people with hurt feelings by what cause? So the cause here isn't one of the parties involved is what you are saying?
I hate to sound like a "Troll" as you put it, but please clarify what you even meant in that post?
Well, at the end of the day, Marten is right in this situation.
Blame is a tool used to make the blame-er like he or she is in the right. It's just not something to use in a level headed discussion or a relationship dispute.
For instance: Let's say I looked at your diary and found out you were screwing my boyfriend. I break up with said boyfriend. Then I blame you. We get into an argument. You blame me for reading your diary in the first place or for being neglectful of my boyfriend. I blame you for betraying me. Can you tell me how blame would make this go any better? It certainly wouldn't keep us 'on point'. We'd both have different viewpoints (our own) and would probably be unable to empathize with the other.
The only thing that would really matter is that it happened. Now how are you going to deal with it?
If two people want to make a relationship work, you talk things out. You try and find out why someone did something. Blaming someone else isn't going to change the fact that it happened. Knowing the root of the problem is helpful(hint: the root of the problem isn't watching his porn), but not unless you're trying to figure out a solution.
Seeing as everyone else is delurking, I thought I'd sign up purely to ask you to stob babbling like a Dr. Phil after school special.
"What's the use of blame?"
Gee, I don't know, ask the motherfucking justice system.
Blame does nothing useful? Aside from keep the dispute on point? This is a dispute isn't it? I see 2 people with hurt feelings by what cause? So the cause here isn't one of the parties involved is what you are saying?
I hate to sound like a "Troll" as you put it, but please clarify what you even meant in that post?
Well, at the end of the day, Marten is right in this situation.
Blame is a tool used to make the blame-er like he or she is in the right. It's just not something to use in a level headed discussion or a relationship dispute.
For instance: Let's say I looked at your diary and found out you were screwing my boyfriend. I break up with said boyfriend. Then I blame you. We get into an argument. You blame me for reading your diary in the first place or for being neglectful of my boyfriend. I blame you for betraying me. Can you tell me how blame would make this go any better? It certainly wouldn't keep us 'on point'. We'd both have different viewpoints (our own) and would probably be unable to empathize with the other.
The only thing that would really matter is that it happened. Now how are you going to deal with it?
If two people want to make a relationship work, you talk things out. You try and find out why someone did something. Blaming someone else isn't going to change the fact that it happened. Knowing the root of the problem is helpful(hint: the root of the problem isn't watching his porn), but not unless you're trying to figure out a solution.
Probably should've stayed lurking...
The reason finding who's to blame is useless in a scenario like this is because it doesn't answer any questions. We can conclude it's Dora, and so could all the characters in the comic, but where the fuck does that get anyone? Does it make a solution any more obvious? Only if you consider "DORA'S A STUPID BITCH AND SHE SHOULD BE ALONE FOREVER BECAUSE SHE'S STUPID AND A BITCH!" a solution. Which I don't. In fact, I don't even consider it an accurate statement.
Finding who's to blame should only go as far as figuring out who needs to take steps to fix it, not in terms of finding who to direct anger toward. Dora needs help to overcome the problems that are causing her to hurt herself and the people she loves. Full stop. That's the resolution. No sentencing need be delivered, no one need be doomed to another hundred years of solitude for their transgressions. The problem needs to be fixed, which means it needs to be addressed as "the problem", not "the list of reasons this reflects badly on Dora".
What idea did Faye have?I am very interested in this storyline, and I think a Dora / Martin split would be very interesting. Also watching who the other characters side with would be quite neat. Who would Faye side with? I wonder if the break up would cause problems with her relationship, as she is kinda fragile - psyche wise.
You know, that's an interesting point. Over the underwear incident Faye sided with Marten and called Dora out on her inappropriate behavior. But Faye was there, and she knew what happened. Here, we have Dora going off on an idea Faye had. Would Faye even take sides at all? Would she call Dora out on her inappropriate actions, as well as tell Marten he needs to be more aggressive whenever something matters to him?
What idea did Faye have?I am very interested in this storyline, and I think a Dora / Martin split would be very interesting. Also watching who the other characters side with would be quite neat. Who would Faye side with? I wonder if the break up would cause problems with her relationship, as she is kinda fragile - psyche wise.
You know, that's an interesting point. Over the underwear incident Faye sided with Marten and called Dora out on her inappropriate behavior. But Faye was there, and she knew what happened. Here, we have Dora going off on an idea Faye had. Would Faye even take sides at all? Would she call Dora out on her inappropriate actions, as well as tell Marten he needs to be more aggressive whenever something matters to him?
Freud would absolutely love thiscomicforum, that's for sure.
Also the comic is like a giant Rorschach blot for all of us to project our own issues with men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! onto Marten and Dora. A therapist could sweep in here and have a field day, although they should only be paid at bulk rate for everyone who called Dora a bitch.
How the duex is it useless, the point of application of blame is incase the accused refuses to accept it. Dora can't change who she is if she won't even realize that she's the one that started tthe problem in the first place. Dora is to blame and the only person responsiblee to change what brought her to this situation is Dora. I'm sure Marten or anyone else is no angel but what did he do to deserve any of what happened to him.woa, take it easy dude... But to answer your question, Marten knows that Dora has couple issues, and he has done nothing about it. And that's what he did(or not did) to deserve that. being a pushover, not standing for himself, and not trying to resolve Dora's trust issues (assuming he wanted to be in the relation, that's what anyone would do) he changed nothing. He is guilty of in-action.
Its like your justifying rape because the victim had been intimate with the attacker in the past.
I'm going to step up and try and defend sylette, because I think you're attributing levels to her post that she didn't intend. Not understanding or being able to grasp something about someone does not imply that they don't have the right to hold that position, only that it is so far removed from what they believe/feel/whatever that they can't grasp it beyond the intellectual. They know that someone holds those beliefs, but can't really grasp what that means in practice. I myself am like this in regards to physical contact, I have a hard time grasping that sometimes, people just don't want to be touched. I know I'm like that, and I try very hard to control it, but sometimes i forget myself, and I may have lost a very good friend over it recently :(.QuoteWow.
Just.. wow.
The sheer arrogance implicit in your post is awe inspiring.
I though I was king shit of self-absorbed mountain, but you, just.. wow.
I bow to you.
I know I'm arrogant. But I'm just trying to be honest, really :3
@eyosgkxb-- I know it would make crazy drama...I just like to dream. Sigh.
I think what the other poster was getting at was your arrogance has no effect on the discussion of the current strip, it seemed very self absorbed to apply anything that had happened to you as an explanation/justification for anything that may happen in any strip.
I'm a Hanners/Anyone fan myself, I'd like to see her grow into more than comic relief.
No, more the arrogance and the removal of agency from Marten bundled into her post. God forbid the emo little fuck NOT be completely open and exhibistionistic, he obviously doesn't have any rights as a person to define his own boundaries.. *grumble*
When I said there would be 12 pages of posts after Jeph put the page online, I was KIDDING!!!!
Next time I joke about this, I'm saying 941 pages, just to see what happens.I'm gonna answer that very simply......
Honestly, how can anyone expect their post to be read by more than 2 people before it's "sage'd" 2 pages away. .. or are people ACTUALLY reading every single one of these hundreds and hundreds of posts?
I also created an account just to comment on this! Also, to use Psyduck :psyduck:You can't get enough of this guy!! :psyduck:
Next time I joke about this, I'm saying 941 pages, just to see what happens.
Honestly, how can anyone expect their post to be read by more than 2 people before it's "sage'd" 2 pages away. .. or are people ACTUALLY reading every single one of these hundreds and hundreds of posts?
Probably should've stayed lurking...
The reason finding who's to blame is useless in a scenario like this is because it doesn't answer any questions. We can conclude it's Dora, and so could all the characters in the comic, but where the fuck does that get anyone? Does it make a solution any more obvious? Only if you consider "DORA'S A STUPID BITCH AND SHE SHOULD BE ALONE FOREVER BECAUSE SHE'S STUPID AND A BITCH!" a solution. Which I don't. In fact, I don't even consider it an accurate statement.
Finding who's to blame should only go as far as figuring out who needs to take steps to fix it, not in terms of finding who to direct anger toward. Dora needs help to overcome the problems that are causing her to hurt herself and the people she loves. Full stop. That's the resolution. No sentencing need be delivered, no one need be doomed to another hundred years of solitude for their transgressions. The problem needs to be fixed, which means it needs to be addressed as "the problem", not "the list of reasons this reflects badly on Dora".
Next time I joke about this, I'm saying 941 pages, just to see what happens.
Honestly, how can anyone expect their post to be read by more than 2 people before it's "sage'd" 2 pages away. .. or are people ACTUALLY reading every single one of these hundreds and hundreds of posts?
Honestly, how can anyone expect their post to be read by more than 2 people before it's "sage'd" 2 pages away. .. or are people ACTUALLY reading every single one of these hundreds and hundreds of posts?
Next time I joke about this, I'm saying 941 pages, just to see what happens.I did :P
Honestly, how can anyone expect their post to be read by more than 2 people before it's "sage'd" 2 pages away. .. or are people ACTUALLY reading every single one of these hundreds and hundreds of posts?
@Wiregeek, that was kind of dickish man. Its a shit ton of reading, I did it, but I don't see anyone who doesn't have the urge to do the same as somehow deficit. Hell, I shouldn't be reading all of this. I have other things in my life I should be doing than reading crazed debates on fictional characters in a webcomic. Get your head out of your ass man.
Dora doesn't understand Marten's sexual inhibition, and she's probably never going to. Sure, she can maybe kinda-sorta look at it logically and deduce that perhaps Marten's upbringing has messed with his head a little. But she won't truly understand that. Most sexually open people don't. I mean, they accept that people like Marten exist, sure...but on some level they feel like those people can just be shaken up a bit, and all will be right with the world (see: Rocky Horror Picture Show).
Wow.
Just.. wow.
The sheer arrogance implicit in your post is awe inspiring.
I though I was king shit of self-absorbed mountain, but you, just.. wow.
I bow to you.
I guess I don't understand why this comment was arrogant. Maybe I'm reading it "wrong" but I think Sylette made a pretty valid point about Dora not really being able to understand where Marten is coming from. I don't 100% agree with it but I definitely think it has merit. To be sexually inhibited or restrained depending on how you define it, is not a bad thing. It just is. She's sexually open. He's less so. She may have a hard time really grasping a hold of that information. I'm a touchy feely person and I am always surprised when someone else is not.
@Wiregeek, that was kind of dickish man. Its a shit ton of reading, I did it, but I don't see anyone who doesn't have the urge to do the same as somehow deficit. Hell, I shouldn't be reading all of this. I have other things in my life I should be doing than reading crazed debates on fictional characters in a webcomic. Get your head out of your ass man.
tl;dr, amirite?
It all comes down to experience. If you've never known anything else, it would be hard to grasp differences.I guess I don't understand why this comment was arrogant. Maybe I'm reading it "wrong" but I think Sylette made a pretty valid point about Dora not really being able to understand where Marten is coming from. I don't 100% agree with it but I definitely think it has merit. To be sexually inhibited or restrained depending on how you define it, is not a bad thing. It just is. She's sexually open. He's less so. She may have a hard time really grasping a hold of that information. I'm a touchy feely person and I am always surprised when someone else is not.
I don't think it was arrogant so much as just narrow-minded. Being one of the supposed "sexually open" people myself, I don't really expect other people to be more like me. I don't think my point of view is the only one you can hold re: boundaries and I would never try to inflict it on anyone else no matter how many times I force them to watch Rocky Horror (which I've done to every girlfriend I've ever had, by the way).
@Wiregeek, that was kind of dickish man. Its a shit ton of reading, I did it, but I don't see anyone who doesn't have the urge to do the same as somehow deficit. Hell, I shouldn't be reading all of this. I have other things in my life I should be doing than reading crazed debates on fictional characters in a webcomic. Get your head out of your ass man.
tl;dr, amirite?
So because you and I have time to read this, everyone else needs to take the time to do it? Surely none of them have lives. Like work, or school, or kids, or you know any other thing that might be important in life. But no, obviously anyone who doesn't have the time to read all this is just a lazy sloth watching the boobtube. I'm somehow amazed that you somehow equate reading this thread in its entirety as some kind of positive quality, other than crazy amounts of spare time.
As a comment, knowing who overstepped (who is to "blame") can be useful, but doesn't need to be dwelt upon, and doesn't need to be seen as the ONLY problem. People have to be responsible for their actions. How can they do that if they are never held accountable for any of it? (hence blamed).
I agree. The problem with assigning blame, is that people most of the time have perfectly good reasons, in their minds, for acting the way that they do. Its really hard to assign guilt when motivations seem justified, given the information that the person has access to at the time.As a comment, knowing who overstepped (who is to "blame") can be useful, but doesn't need to be dwelt upon, and doesn't need to be seen as the ONLY problem. People have to be responsible for their actions. How can they do that if they are never held accountable for any of it? (hence blamed).
Blame as an assignation of guilt is never really justified unless it's universally decided that people should feel certain ways, and in secular society there isn't the obligation to feel certain ways but merely to follow laws. Such that the actor who is thought to be guilty is thought to have failed morally.
Most relationships are similar to secular society, in that interpretation of how one reacts feelings-wise to a given situation in a relationship is allowed to be fluid so that it can take into account many potential factors that an outside observer has little ability to judge. Moreover, the outcome of said situations tend to have consequences that could not be predicted by the actors of the relationship.
Blame as an assignation of responsibility works, but other words or phrases might serve better that don't have connotations of moral failure or of consequences. Like "responsible" or "caused by."
Dora's actions caused the situation, and Dora's thoughtlessness and Marten's inability to communicate clearly while distraught makes them both responsible for the escalation later. But the blame associated with each one's actions is not clear-cut, as it isn't clear what exact damage has been caused or what exact mental processes took place to ensure that what did happen spiraled out of each's control.
I should be getting all uppity and start quoting people to respond to in Marten's favor, but I just increased my understanding of the universe a little bit, so I'll sit this one out :angel: . And all the other arguments that occur as we argue over things Jeph has already decided and will draw tomorrow/day after/sometime in the next week.*glances at 11 pages* I'm glad I followed my advice, or I would have gotten nothing done.
I agree. The problem with assigning blame, is that people most of the time have perfectly good reasons, in their minds, for acting the way that they do. Its really hard to assign guilt when motivations seem justified, given the information that the person has access to at the time.As a comment, knowing who overstepped (who is to "blame") can be useful, but doesn't need to be dwelt upon, and doesn't need to be seen as the ONLY problem. People have to be responsible for their actions. How can they do that if they are never held accountable for any of it? (hence blamed).
Blame as an assignation of guilt is never really justified unless it's universally decided that people should feel certain ways, and in secular society there isn't the obligation to feel certain ways but merely to follow laws. Such that the actor who is thought to be guilty is thought to have failed morally.
Most relationships are similar to secular society, in that interpretation of how one reacts feelings-wise to a given situation in a relationship is allowed to be fluid so that it can take into account many potential factors that an outside observer has little ability to judge. Moreover, the outcome of said situations tend to have consequences that could not be predicted by the actors of the relationship.
Blame as an assignation of responsibility works, but other words or phrases might serve better that don't have connotations of moral failure or of consequences. Like "responsible" or "caused by."
Dora's actions caused the situation, and Dora's thoughtlessness and Marten's inability to communicate clearly while distraught makes them both responsible for the escalation later. But the blame associated with each one's actions is not clear-cut, as it isn't clear what exact damage has been caused or what exact mental processes took place to ensure that what did happen spiraled out of each's control.
Understanding someone's situation is far better than condemning them for it.
Tomorrow's comic:Ah, yes; the Roomies/It's Walky! approach. This also explains the 'rivalry' between Jeph and that Willis guy.
We zoom into an unfamiliar-yet-familiar indie coffee shop in California, where a blonde hipster who hasn't been see in 1500-odd strips is working. Her roommate comes to visit her while working, her roommate the ALLOSAURUS. Backstory: Her lessons from Faye having paid off, she punched her way out of his stomach (he got better) and after some wacky adventures that will be covered in flashbacks, they became lovers and roommates. But a shadow darkens the coffee-shop door, and in walks....LORENZO LAMAS. Tune in tomorrow for "The Adventures of Sara and Bob (the Allosaurus)!"
Ehhhh that so did not look or sound like an actual apology to me - did it really, to you? It sounded like one of those 'I'm sorry you were offended' non-apology apologies. I mean she even said 'I didn't think it was any big deal' with this look on her face that would make it sound to me like 'I don't think IT SHOULD BE a big deal'
There have been some great facial expressions the last couple of days. It speaks volumes for Jeph that this is so painful to watch.
I don't get the joke in the punchline. Could someone explain it to me?
This whole thread is TL;DR. And by that I mean anyone who reads all these posts deserves a fucking medal. And don't ask me, all you'll get is left over silver Hanukkah gelt coins from last year XD.
Anyone who's ever said the words, "I'm sick of your apologies!" knows what it really means. You're not sick of hearing the apologies, you're sick of being in a situation where the other person has hurt you and is saying sorry, and you have to accept the apology. You're tired of this cycle where you get hurt and you have to laugh it off and pretend that it's all okay. Marten is the whipping boy of the entire QC-Universe and it's obvious that he knows it... and it's becoming even more obvious that he's sick of it. Dora just finally pushed too hard on a topic he wasn't comfortable with, and now things are happening. And, much like I said with their fight after Faye's panic attack, if and when Marten's armour finally does crack away, I'm going to be very interested to see what's underneath.
And to use a standard diversion of the conversation - Are we all looking forward to the annual turkey strip?
Prediction: Steve will blow everyone in the coffee shop.
I also hope that, for the sake of his sanity, Jeph can refrain from even opening it.
Benny Hill? You think Marten's porn is old Benny Hill clips?I don't get the joke in the punchline. Could someone explain it to me?
Ha! Thank you for the genuine LOL. (Perhaps there's an audio joke buried in there, the Benny Hill theme playing as Pintsize watches Marten's porn.)
Again – you hope he can refrain from opening it again. -_- Guess he really did pick the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
They're still broken up, and blaming you didn't make it better, so now the other party is out a friend as well.
Not that you were a good friend, what with banging the BF and all
As a comment, knowing who overstepped (who is to "blame") can be useful, but doesn't need to be dwelt upon, and doesn't need to be seen as the ONLY problem. People have to be responsible for their actions. How can they do that if they are never held accountable for any of it? (hence blamed). That being said... trying to dole out blame while pissed is probably a horrible idea. They both needed a moment to compose themselves first. Part of identifying a problem is figuring out WHERE the problem came from, yes, why they acted that way is important, but first you have to identify the problem behavior in order to try and explain and deal with it. So this idea that blame is pointless is imo just ignorant.
Benny Hill? You think Marten's porn is old Benny Hill clips?I don't get the joke in the punchline. Could someone explain it to me?
Ha! Thank you for the genuine LOL. (Perhaps there's an audio joke buried in there, the Benny Hill theme playing as Pintsize watches Marten's porn.)
That would be so 'vanilla' as to actually be rather twisted. Unless you mean Marty's looking at Benny himself in drag rather than the gels. Then he needs help. Lotsa help.
I can tell just by reading a lot of these posts that everyone here who doesn't think Dora broke a huge relationship boundry probably hasn't had a loving relationship. In love there are many unforgiving crimes, you don't break someone's trust and then chase them down to try and fix it. The way she's apologizing make it seem like it was some victimless crime, when the victim is standing right in front of you.wow, that's quite a claim to make. :psyduck:
Next poll needs to be a wager as to how many pages this thread will actually get to.
So because you and I have time to read this,
So because you and I have time to read this,
For the record, the past 16 hours or so of posts have taken less than an hour to read. Really, following a forum thread doesn't take half so long if you do it all at once.
I've read all of these, and I'm noticing a lack of those who wield the UBMEODs.
Coincidence? I think not!
I'm quite saddened at the overflow of people who hate this relationship. I'm saddened because I do not know a single person who doesn't occasionally blow up, assume wrongly, make mistakes, and occasionally repeat those mistakes. (I'm also saddened by the misspelling of Marten)
I've been in fights involving bacon,tickling, loud chewing, dvd organization, me discovering things about his past he didn't want me to, and there actually is a constant haircut battle. I am sad to say I have told the man I love "FUCK YOU" at two in the morning because he didn't get bacon, and it's always frustrating to have the same issues come up in different forms.
But we're still together with no sign of quitting.
Fights are never fun, but as I keep repeating, I'm hoping they'll talk to each other and we get some real backstory.
Just because I want to take that time to do something, specifically a leisure activity, and someone else doesn't, means nothing.
Fights are never fun, but as I keep repeating, I'm hoping they'll talk to each other and we get some real backstory.
okay let's see if I can make ustream work again
Hmm nope still broken. No broadcast tonight, I guess.
Ohmanohman!
Yes this! I really wa--
OMG what if we get ... Flashbacks!! Adorable high school gothette Dora and college dissatisfaction-with-goth-life Dora! (wait did she go to college I don't remember) with cameo with Original Goth Raven~! And we see all her shitty relationships with the Alpha Goth Assholes.
DO EET JEPH
You know you wanna draw teenage Dora.
Just because I want to take that time to do something, specifically a leisure activity, and someone else doesn't, means nothing.
I never said it does. I'm saying your tone it sound like it's a lot more time than it is, and that maybe it _is_ a lot more time for people who keep refreshing the thread.
Also, there's a difference between saying everyone should read it [no-one's said that] and that people should NOT post repetitive arguments without reading what has gone before. The latter is a reasonable position whether you or I agree with it or not.
I'm quite saddened at the overflow of people who hate this relationship. I'm saddened because I do not know a single person who doesn't occasionally blow up, assume wrongly, make mistakes, and occasionally repeat those mistakes. (I'm also saddened by the misspelling of Marten)
I've been in fights involving bacon,tickling, loud chewing, dvd organization, me discovering things about his past he didn't want me to, and there actually is a constant haircut battle. I am sad to say I have told the man I love "FUCK YOU" at two in the morning because he didn't get bacon, and it's always frustrating to have the same issues come up in different forms.
But we're still together with no sign of quitting.
Fights are never fun, but as I keep repeating, I'm hoping they'll talk to each other and we get some real backstory.
The whole 'lets look at Marten's porn' thing was Faye's idea.What idea did Faye have?I am very interested in this storyline, and I think a Dora / Martin split would be very interesting. Also watching who the other characters side with would be quite neat. Who would Faye side with? I wonder if the break up would cause problems with her relationship, as she is kinda fragile - psyche wise.You know, that's an interesting point. Over the underwear incident Faye sided with Marten and called Dora out on her inappropriate behavior. But Faye was there, and she knew what happened. Here, we have Dora going off on an idea Faye had. Would Faye even take sides at all? Would she call Dora out on her inappropriate actions, as well as tell Marten he needs to be more aggressive whenever something matters to him?
I don't think anyone really understands an argument until they've been on both sides. Dora knows how upsetting it is for your partner not to take your feelings seriously:
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1107 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1107)
If this occurs to her, it could be a real lightbulb moment.
Dating a murderer
Dating a rapist
Dating a child molester
Dating a married man who didn't tell her she was married
Getting left at the alter
Getting raped
Getting an abortion
Having a miscarriage
Owned by a pimp
Drugged into submission
Including but not limited to:
Dating a murderer
Dating a rapist
Dating a child molester
Dating a married man who didn't tell her she was married
Getting left at the alter
Getting raped
Getting an abortion
Having a miscarriage
Owned by a pimp
Drugged into submission
Guess I'm a little late in the conversation, but here's what Marten should have done. Hindsight.
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20 pages by Friday doesn't need votes, it will just happen.
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, You're gonna see some serious shit!
Thing is, she more than likely didn't know where his porn collection was stored. (Guessing because she had never seen it. You don't put it someplace obvious like My Documents/My Pictures...) She was arbitrarily rooting through his laptop looking for porn, who knows what else she poked around in while she was in there. If she was determined enough she would have plowed through the entire folder directory regardless of the folder titles.
Guess I'm a little late in the conversation, but here's what Marten should have done. Hindsight.
Notice that Dora has blown up instantly twice when her double standards were pointed out?
If I was Marten I would just try and convey to Faye that I didn't care about her hangups, but it'd be tough. I think this is one of those instances where the man really needs to take control - he should just get drunk with her, then gently but firmly rub her up against a wall by her wrists and start kissing and dry humping her while whispering in her ear about how much he likes her, sexually as well as a friend. Though at first she might be disconcerted or disorientated it's important he never stop - Marten is passive by nature but if he apologises and walks away it will just add to Faye's abandonment issues as she'll feel that her crying or screaming for him to stop has pushed him away. Unfortunately I don't think Marten has the willpower to do this ... really, what he needs is a good friend who would help him out by lacing his drink with cocaine or some other aggressant that would allow him to really let his inhibitions go and confess his feelings, but I don't think any are up to it :-(
To be honest I think Faye and Marten make a better couple than Marten and Dora, but the problem is Faye is so screwed up she won't make a move on anyone she actually likes - only people she views as soulless flesh dildoes like Angus and Sven. Really it has to be Marten to make the first move.
I also created an account just to comment on this! Also, to use Psyduck :psyduck:
Edit: Ha ha ha...I think I skimmed over your last paragraph without reading it. Clearly I've just fallen victim to a troll...well played, sir. I suppose my retort is moot.
- only people she views as soulless flesh dildoes like Angus and Sven.
Dang, Marten. Good for him to admit that though. Baby steps.Actually I think Faye has the best idea here. At least it's not Old Cancer Mule.
Glad to hear Dora is gonna talk to Sven, it may very well just be the best thing she can do.
Not too sure Faye is making the best choice here.
Traditionally the cliffhanger is on Friday. This is all just the buildup in that case.
Faye is not butting in. That would probably make things worse.
One group of researchers into marriage dynamics concluded that as long as there were enough positive interactions (they even published a target ratio of positive to negative interactions!), then relationships could survive anything except contempt.
Edit: Ha ha ha...I think I skimmed over your last paragraph without reading it. Clearly I've just fallen victim to a troll...well played, sir. I suppose my retort is moot.
What worries me more is that he might just be a new user and actually serious ):
13 pages by Sunday *slaps five on table*
I doubt Faye's gonna hog all the emergency bourbon for herself, I'm guessing she's gonna take it home with her after she closes up the shop and talk it out with Marty while he drowns his sorrows.
I really hope Marten isn't planning on going over to Sven's to confront Dora now, that would be bad. Normally I wouldn't think he'd be dumb enough to do something like that, but he's not in a great state of mind right now.
13 pages by Sunday *slaps five on table*
Thank you, thank you very much.
*collects winnings*
Yeah, hey, all you Dora+Marten4Evah people - does that sound like a man who is genuinely in love with a woman?
Yeah, hey, all you Dora+Marten4Evah people - does that sound like a man who is genuinely in love with a woman?
The answer is no. No it does not. He's sick of her shit, but knows she's not fucking mature enough to end the fight of her own accord, so he has to fuckin' do it FOR her. Despite the fact that, as he correctly points out, the whole thing was her god damn fault to begin with. Yeah, it sounds like true love when you have to babysit your girlfriend.
The nail in the coffin would like to be hammered in now.
Uh, yeah, I've been bitter about things in relations with people I was in love with. Love doesn't fix things magically bro. And you can still be in love with someone who has problems, even major ones that piss you off.
I'm not really rooting for or against the idea of them breaking up... but your logic here doesn't hold water.
Yeah, hey, all you Dora+Marten4Evah people - does that sound like a man who is genuinely in love with a woman?
The answer is no. No it does not. He's sick of her shit, but knows she's not fucking mature enough to end the fight of her own accord, so he has to fuckin' do it FOR her. Despite the fact that, as he correctly points out, the whole thing was her god damn fault to begin with. Yeah, it sounds like true love when you have to babysit your girlfriend.
The nail in the coffin would like to be hammered in now.
Comic inboundNot just bourbon. If my eyes do not deceive me, that's Midnight Hobo Faye's pulling out. Is it for her, or to give Marten some Dutch courage? (No offense to anyone reading who's actually Dutch.)
*edit*
BOURBON ALERT! BOURBON ALERT!
This is not a drill!
Yeah, hey, all you Dora+Marten4Evah people - does that sound like a man who is genuinely in love with a woman?
Uh, yeah, I've been bitter about things in relations with people I was in love with. Love doesn't fix things magically bro. And you can still be in love with someone who has problems, even major ones that piss you off.
I'm not really rooting for or against the idea of them breaking up... but your logic here doesn't hold water.
Not just bourbon. If my eyes do not deceive me, that's Midnight Hobo Faye's pulling out. Is it for her, or to give Marten some Dutch courage? (No offense to anyone reading who's actually Dutch.)
Don't forget Marigold!
She's a sweet, intelligent shut-in who could use a good, solid relationship, and needs someone who is patient, kind and tolerant.
Marten would be just the guy!
Or Tai. But she's not a guy. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
But anywho, seriously- what would be so horrible about Marten and Marigold? They're both fundamentally good people, they both deserve some happiness, and they're both patient enough to not fly off the handle at the slightest offense.
I still hope they break up though, this comic needs a bit of a shake-up I think.
You don't put it someplace obvious like My Documents/My Pictures...Why not? That might have been true when I was younger, or when I used a shared computer... but not anymore. There are two people who might ever use this computer, me and my girlfriend. She knows I watch porn, and isn't really interested in checking out what I watch. I don't see any reason not to keep it in a folder clearly marked "porn". You know, just like I keep my other files in folders clearly marked with the contents.
If I were Faye I'd want some Midnight Hobo too. No matter how this goes, you just know Faye's gonna have to deal with the fallout. Might as well have one good night before you catch the drama.
I still hope they break up though, this comic needs a bit of a shake-up I think.
Psyduck concurs :psyduck:
On the one hand, I'm glad that Marten went to see Faye about this since she's his best friend.
I wonder if Marten has actually been obsessed with Faye this entire time? I wonder if he was lying to Dora for, well, most of their relationship?
I still hope they break up though, this comic needs a bit of a shake-up I think.
Psyduck concurs :psyduck:
Don't forget that it's not up to us to decide what the comic needs, or is going to get.
Probably you're right, but still... I'm glad it turned out that he got to see his best friend at a time like this. She is what he needs, in every sense of the word.On the one hand, I'm glad that Marten went to see Faye about this since she's his best friend.
I think Marten went to CoD to see Dora.
Also I keep envisioning this COP-esque escalating fight on Sven's front porch with Dona in a tube top and bike shorts and Marten sporting a non-ironic mullet-trucker-cap.
And it's amusing me way way more than it should.
::Marten on the ground being cuffed:: Y'ALL AIN'T FIT!
Probably you're right, but still... I'm glad it turned out that he got to see his best friend at a time like this. She is what he needs, in every sense of the word.On the one hand, I'm glad that Marten went to see Faye about this since she's his best friend.
I think Marten went to CoD to see Dora.
That was quite a ways back, before any of the most recent shenanigans, and he definitely looks unhappy. The fact that he's laying in the exact same pose and everything as Faye in the next panel might speak to what they're pining about. But I don't think Marten has been lying all this time. Maybe holding a candle, possibly without being honest with himself about it. He hasn't been just playing Dora or leading her own, but yeah, I think there's been something there all along.I'm pretty sure that if he has been carrying a torch for Faye all this time, it has been somewhat subconscious. He probably allowed himself to believe he was happy with Dora for most of the time. If you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with and all that... I really do doubt Faye would reciprocate right now, as much as I really, really want her to. I don't know if there was ever a window of opportunity for Marten, even if he had been available. Angus really did enjoy a perfect storm with regards to Faye's willingness.
Now as to whether Faye would reciprocate at this point, who knows?
I think that, at this point in time in the QC-world, Marten/Faye would be The Mother Of Awkward. Also, I think QC would jump the shark big time if that would happen now. Bitterness would ensue.Awkward? Well... Dora left it two days after Faye officially called time on her pseudo-courtship with Marten, so I dunno... turnabout is fair play? She always knew that there was history, and Faye was there first. Dora did just storm out saying "Well, I guess that's it then!"
You don't put it someplace obvious like My Documents/My Pictures...Why not? That might have been true when I was younger, or when I used a shared computer... but not anymore. There are two people who might ever use this computer, me and my girlfriend. She knows I watch porn, and isn't really interested in checking out what I watch. I don't see any reason not to keep it in a folder clearly marked "porn". You know, just like I keep my other files in folders clearly marked with the contents.
Today's strip has left me with decidedly mixed feelings. On the one hand, I'm glad that Marten went to see Faye about this since she's his best friend. On the other, I'm sort of worried that Marten seems to have accepted the idea that he will reconcile with Dora no matter what. That would appear to spell disaster for my agenda. I don't even care if there's some chance they could work out their issues and have an uneventful (I did not say happy...) relationship. I just want them to split up so Marten has the chance to pursue a relationship with someone who deserves him.
I'm also a bit cross with myself for letting this comic matter so damn much. The format limits the pace of plot development such that it could be weeks or even months before I really get to know how this turns out, and I'm already on the edge of my seat. I don't particularly want to live in perpetual squeaky bum time for the next month while this resolves... in some ways I'd really like to be distracted from it for a good long while until the crisis is over.
You see, despite everything I said earlier about having accepted that Marten/Faye (Fayten? Martye?) is probably a pairing we'll never see, I can't help but allow myself a glimmer of hope. Damned if I can understand why this should be so important to me. I would like to imagine QC as a great romantic comedy, in which the One True Pairing (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OneTruePairing) go through many trials and tribulations before finally being allowed their blissful moment of union, but increasingly I realise that QC is more just one big long exercise in Ship Tease (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipTease) and Will They Or Won't They (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlekmxl4p7e1yni?from=Main.WillTheyOrWontThey).
I have nothing against Angus as a character. He's a reasonably nice guy, and he's probably good for Faye... but she has such a connection with Marten that her relationship with Angus seems a trifle shallow by comparison. The thing about Toto is surely a red herring - they have that one thing, does that really stack up against everything that Faye and Marten have? The same could be said (only far more so) about Marten and Dora.
I can't help being a Fayten shipper. It's what really kept me reading the comic... Marten and Faye both as friends and as a potential pairing. Other characters have grown on me, but I still see it as being their story.
HOLY SHIT 12 NEW REPLIES WHILE TYPING. :psyduck:
Faye: "Bitter much?"
Marten: "Yeah... yeah, I am."
Keep on truckin' Marten. 8-)
Also I keep envisioning this COP-esque escalating fight on Sven's front porch with Dona in a tube top and bike shorts and Marten sporting a non-ironic mullet-trucker-cap.
And it's amusing me way way more than it should.
::Marten on the ground being cuffed:: Y'ALL AIN'T FIT!
Listen up Jeph, I would pay you cash money for this to happen in the comic. CASH MONEY! Think about it.
No. You know what? I'm in support of this. Let's see Marten get "his girl". Let's see Marten do that, Jeph. I want to see this now.
But--one caveat--I want to see it fail. I want him to try now, just when she's finally making progress, when she's moved on and is with an honestly good person. I want their potential sexual relationship revealed for the nightmare it will be. This is going to be some Lament Configuration shit. I want to see the drama go full trainwreck.
And I know you don't care about people's opinions, Jeph, but I also know you got a drive for realism and you aren't about to give people their fairy tale ending. Hell no.
So I put down my dickbroom. Let's see the Fayten. Let's see the rotten apple that the shippers hang their hopes and dreams on.
No. You know what? I'm in support of this. Let's see Marten get "his girl". Let's see Marten do that, Jeph. I want to see this now.So... just because she's with an "honestly good person" means she lost the right to change her mind? I must have missed that page in the relationship manual. The rules I read state that each person gets to break it off if they sincerely want to, and the other person kind of has to deal with that if they can't offer a persuasive reason not to.
But--one caveat--I want to see it fail. I want him to try now, just when she's finally making progress, when she's moved on and is with an honestly good person. I want their potential sexual relationship revealed for the nightmare it will be. This is going to be some Lament Configuration shit. I want to see the drama go full trainwreck.
Also I keep envisioning this COP-esque escalating fight on Sven's front porch with Dona in a tube top and bike shorts and Marten sporting a non-ironic mullet-trucker-cap.
And it's amusing me way way more than it should.
::Marten on the ground being cuffed:: Y'ALL AIN'T FIT!
Listen up Jeph, I would pay you cash money for this to happen in the comic. CASH MONEY! Think about it.
Wed: Marten finishes the bottle and Faye takes him. Next week's WCT thread hits 25 pages.
Thurs: Marten goes to Svens to talk to Dora but Sven won't let him.
Fri: Marten and Dora talk and may break up, cliffhanger
Mon: Marten and Dora verify the break up.
Tues: Marten heads home to find Faye and a mostly empty bottle of the Hobo
Wed: Marten finishes the bottle and Faye takes him. Next week's WCT thread hits 25 pages.
Faye goes to CoD, calls Dora a waffling hoebag, and punches her in the tits.
Woah woah woah how are you guys getting "Marten and Faye should get together nao hughdfkdlghdulhfdk" shit from in this storyline? Have you all just been waiting for Marten and Dora to have a falling out so Faye can have her chance?
Don't answer that.
But seriously, I'm 99% sure that ain't gonna happen right now, folks. Does Marten have lingering feelings for Faye? Probably, he even once told Dora that. Does Faye have lingering feelings for Marten? Again, probably, but that doesn't mean the moment things go wrong with one of their relationships they'll both drop everything and fuck. Things are just a wee bit too complicated now for that; they both have feelings for other people now. Anyway, Marten and Dora ain't over just yet; don't count your chickens before they hatch. And even if they do end up breaking, You all do remember a certain sideburned scot that's recently worked his way into Faye's heart, right? Faye isn't just gonna be like "WOOT! Sorry, Angus, thanks for playing!" and pounce on Marten. You really don't think it's that easy do you?
Faye goes to CoD, calls Dora a waffling hoebag, and punches her in the tits.
I disagree with every part of your post but this. This would be pretty entertaining. :evil:
Dora drops Marten.Parts of it are exaggerated a little beyond what I imagine would actually happen in QC, but this would be my dream scenario. Perhaps if ya take out the Sven/Marten punch-up and have Faye say something a little more eloquent to Dora that might actually give them the chance of still having a friendship once Dora realizes that OH CRAP FAYE WAS RIGHT. Also I don't really see a gratuitous copier-room sex scene being in the comic, but Dora/Tai seems workable enough. Marigold getting to be with Angus would be the cherry on the cake.
Marten goes to attempt to 'fix' something that shouldn't be fixed.
Sven and Marten get into a fist fight.
Marten drags himself into the apartment late that night.
Faye, still buzzed, freaks out, asks what happens, Marten says Sven wrecked his shit.
Faye grabs the first aid kit and helps patch him up.
Marten has a complete breakdown about why everything's gone tits-up.
Faye comforts him, possibly he passes out from exhaustion.
Faye realizes he needs someone a bit more qualified to take care of him. Someone who has ADMITTED HER FLAWS AND HAS DONE THINGS ABOUT THEM INSTEAD OF PRETENDING THEY DO NOT FUCKING EXIST.
Marten stays home the next day, sleeping it off.
Faye goes to CoD, calls Dora a waffling hoebag, and punches her in the tits.
Faye meets up with Angus on the way home, lets him down gently, returns to the apartment.
Marten freaks out, possibly wondering if Sven went on a rampage and also beat HER up.
Meanwhile, Angus goes back, runs across Marigold, asks if she wants to go out drinking. Confused but generally pleased, she does so.
Dora, meanwhile, runs into Tai when she goes to the library to see if Marten's in, since she needs to get her shit from his apartment still. Tai gets the lowdown, promptly puts Dora in her place, then drags her off into the back room to fuck on the copier.
It all fucking woooooorks!
Should prolly break out the emergency gin, the emergency vodka, and the emergency whisky while you're at it. I got a feeling this one's gonna be a long andprotracted fightunprotected night.
But that's the beauty of it! It's exactly like you say! If Marten went after Faye now it would be incredibly creepy and awful! If Faye were to give in it'd be worse! Angus would have his heart wrenched out! Marten would be unequivocally wrong!How exactly would Marten be wrong? Faye and Angus are hardly an established couple, they had like one date. Plus, if Faye wants to break it off with Angus, it's her choice. No denying that the situation would be bad for Angus but sometimes it works out like that. Sometimes the girl you went out on one (or two?) dates with doesn't want another date. Even if she already let you grab her boobs.
Huh. I wonder why Marten feels obligated to stay in a relationship with Dora.That was my very first thought on reading this comic.
It's kind of weird. He's basically saying, "This is all Dora's fault, but I have to fix this.
Snippety-snip-snip
...Bull$h!t....
...Cheese and rice...
Faye goes to CoD, calls Dora a waffling hoebag, and punches her in the tits.
Huh. I wonder why Marten feels obligated to stay in a relationship with Dora.We all do stupid things for the ones we love. I think Marten agrees with you though, he did say he was rather bitter about it.
It's kind of weird. He's basically saying, "This is all Dora's fault, but I have to fix this."
Listen to yourself, dude.
Tai has already stated "My perfect ideal is you, but single" or something like that.
Dora has to be bisexual.
But that's the beauty of it! It's exactly like you say! If Marten went after Faye now it would be incredibly creepy and awful! If Faye were to give in it'd be worse! Angus would have his heart wrenched out! Marten would be unequivocally wrong!How exactly would Marten be wrong? Faye and Angus are hardly an established couple, they had like one date. Plus, if Faye wants to break it off with Angus, it's her choice.
Dora drops Marten.
Marten goes to attempt to 'fix' something that shouldn't be fixed.
Sven and Marten get into a fist fight.
Marten drags himself into the apartment late that night.
Faye, still buzzed, freaks out, asks what happens, Marten says Sven wrecked his shit.
Faye grabs the first aid kit and helps patch him up.
Marten has a complete breakdown about why everything's gone tits-up.
Faye comforts him, possibly he passes out from exhaustion.
Faye realizes he needs someone a bit more qualified to take care of him. Someone who has ADMITTED HER FLAWS AND HAS DONE THINGS ABOUT THEM INSTEAD OF PRETENDING THEY DO NOT FUCKING EXIST.
Marten stays home the next day, sleeping it off.
Faye goes to CoD, calls Dora a waffling hoebag, and punches her in the tits.
Faye meets up with Angus on the way home, lets him down gently, returns to the apartment.
Marten freaks out, possibly wondering if Sven went on a rampage and also beat HER up.
Meanwhile, Angus goes back, runs across Marigold, asks if she wants to go out drinking. Confused but generally pleased, she does so.
Dora, meanwhile, runs into Tai when she goes to the library to see if Marten's in, since she needs to get her shit from his apartment still. Tai gets the lowdown, promptly puts Dora in her place, then drags her off into the back room to fuck on the copier.
It all fucking woooooorks!
But that's the beauty of it! It's exactly like you say! If Marten went after Faye now it would be incredibly creepy and awful! If Faye were to give in it'd be worse! Angus would have his heart wrenched out! Marten would be unequivocally wrong!How exactly would Marten be wrong? Faye and Angus are hardly an established couple.
Huh. I wonder why Marten feels obligated to stay in a relationship with Dora.We all do stupid things for the ones we love. I think Marten agrees with you though, he did say he was rather bitter about it.
It's kind of weird. He's basically saying, "This is all Dora's fault, but I have to fix this."
Listen to yourself, dude.
Honestly, I really don't see it happening that way, if for no other reason than the fact that it would be basically a copy-paste of the arc before last. I have faith that Jeph is more creative than that. :P
Also, :psyduck:
Because psyduck is frikkin awesome.
Long time reader of the comic, first time actually making a post on these forums. So I'm largely unaware of the various tribes among fans; just reading this thread has been an education. Had no idea there was so much hate for Dora, for one thing. Anyway.
First off, I have to congratulate Jeph on spinning such an engrossing yarn. The narrative of QC is first rate, the characters are beautifully flawed and engrossing, really easy to identify with. The setting is delightful, with the little departures from reality that end up being incorporated into said reality (AnthroPCs, the fancy dresscode at the Horrible Revelation, etc.)
This turn of events is what prompted me to join the 'boards. Jeph must have been working on this setup for years. YEARS, people. This is heady stuff, the culmination of a lot of work. I'm really proud of Marten for finally finding the line. Honestly, the crap that he puts up with from the lady cadre with a shrug and a a smile is astounding; the long term effects of being raised by a Dominatrix and a closeted gay man (arguably the ultimate act of submission, subsuming one's self so completely for the ease of others). Marten's role models for the behavior of both men and women are painfully obvious in how he carries himself in his own life. His finally putting his foot down, saying 'This far, and no further' is an incredibly important step for him.
As for the action that prompted it, this is just the latest in a long long LONG line of casual disrespectful acts that Dora, Faye, Tai, Steve, his first girlfriend, hell, probably everyone who has ever known him. Particularly ladies, though, because that's what he expects ladies to be. Of course I'm not suggesting that Ms. Reed ever broke out the crop, so to speak, but she's a very strong, dominant woman, and you can't tell me that that wouldn't shape Marten's expectations of women. The only character he's had much facetime with that hasn't has been Hannelore, someone who is just as unassertive as he is, but for different reasons. If anything, Hanners' line is closer to the surface than Marty's is, witness her 'No more of your Bull$h!t!' moments on Faye and Marigold.
Don't believe me? Go hit Random on the QC mainpage. I bet you five bucks that you find a comic within ten or so pages involving Marten as the butt of a joke, the object of ridicule, or the punchline. Usually it's 'all in good fun', but those have a way of building up in a guy. Whether it's he's too weak to move his own furniture, getting punched by Faye for [insert meaningless 'reason' here], Dora walking all over him, Tai delighting in shockvaluing him or taking potshots at his relationship with Dora, etc. Marten's not a naturally assertive person, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be. (And if you want to have some fun, do the random archive perusal with the Benny Hill themesong playing in the background. Hilarity!)
Hell, even this particular incident isn't Dora's fault alone. Or have we forgotten whose idea it was in the first place to ask Pintsize? That's the kind of behavior that is, in many ways, Marten's fault for encouraging by not standing up for himself. He lets people Dom him, so they have no reason to think that there'll be consequences when they finally find his line, perhaps thinking he doesn't even have one. Unfortunately, it looks like Marten's going be the kind of guy who gets all of his assertiveness out at once, probably taking out his frustration at all of the friendly BS he puts up with on Dora. Now, granted, Dora has it coming here, but so does Faye, Tai, on this particular occasion, which will be disproportionate and hurtful to Dora. And I like Dora. I think this is going to be what finally gets Dora to take a look at her past and current relationships side by side and realize how good this one is for her.
However, I think Marten's going to have his own 'No more of your bull$h!t!' moment, and it's going to be bigger than both of Hanners' combined, because it's been that long since he relieved the pressure. I really feel sorry for whoever ends up getting it, be it Dora, Faye, Sven, or Jeph forbid Hanners. No one person is going to deserve the yelling that Marten's going to deliver, because they've all put a straw in the bundle. It's just Dora that finally broke his back.
If they get through this, than they'll be in an incredibly strong relationship. *crosses fingers*
Oh my God it's like a catalog of shit I never want to see happen in the strip. It is precisely the fairy tale I mentioned. Blurghgaghghagh
Which is to say I disagree with just about everything there except the titpunching. :P
Oh... yeah. If I didn't make it clear, I'm envisioning some kind of scenario where nothing actually happens until Faye gets the chance to tell Angus she's breaking up with him. I was picturing the drunken encounter as a kind of cute, re-affirmation of emotional connection kind of moment, not a crude drunken hookup. Not the best way to start a relationship.But that's the beauty of it! It's exactly like you say! If Marten went after Faye now it would be incredibly creepy and awful! If Faye were to give in it'd be worse! Angus would have his heart wrenched out! Marten would be unequivocally wrong!How exactly would Marten be wrong? Faye and Angus are hardly an established couple, they had like one date. Plus, if Faye wants to break it off with Angus, it's her choice.
You're right, it is her choice, but this would be the worst possible way to do it. Imagine the next day:
Faye: Listen, i'm sorry but this isn't going to work out.
Angus: What? Why?!
Faye: I had awesome drunken sex with Marten last night and I want to be with him after all. Thanks for your time, though!
Angus: :-o :? :cry:
Let me also remind you that Marten once reassured Angus that he wasn't holding a torch for Faye. If this happened he'd be doubly betrayed and pretty goddamned fucking pissed off.
They were coupling up (not like that, perverts, jeez) long before The Date. They were courting.Faye wouldn't have said they were courting. Angus would. She came around to the idea eventually, but... for a while she pretty much saw Angus as the annoying but witty customer who she occasionally has fun bandying words with.
And if you don't see how it's creepy to basically guilt-trip someone out of a relationship so you can live your repressed fantasies, well. Uh.
Also, am I the only one sick of the phrase 'shark-jumping'? For me, the phrase 'jumping the shark' jumped the shark when my friend Dan used the phrase but didn't know where it came from. He was so delightedly confused when I told him the origin of the phrase.
It's like Rickrolling. No rickroll can ever, ever top Rick Astley himself rickrolling the World in the '08 Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. As a dear friend once said, 'That was the period at the end of the sentence, people.'
QC's not in danger of jumping the shark, guys. Just because Jeph doesn't do as the 'shippers command doesn't mean the series isn't incredibly well writ. If that thinking were valid, then Star Trek was an abject failure for never getting Kirk and Spock together.
Let the artist art, guys. He's spends a GREAT deal more time in their heads than we do, and I'm delighted to say I really don't know what's gonna happen next.
Just let me say that Faye/Marten won't happen. Faye has moved on. Remember the head patting scene after the Faye/Angus date? Remember how she had little to no reaction to the whole underwear thing? Faye values Marten as a friend, but that's all it is any more. Even if she was single, I don't think Faye would jump on Marten. That ship has sailed in her mind.I couldn't agree more that it will never happen. I constantly emphasize how this is just an exercise in fantasy.
Also I keep envisioning this COP-esque escalating fight on Sven's front porch with Dona in a tube top and bike shorts and Marten sporting a non-ironic mullet-trucker-cap.
And it's amusing me way way more than it should.
::Marten on the ground being cuffed:: Y'ALL AIN'T FIT!
Listen up Jeph, I would pay you cash money for this to happen in the comic. CASH MONEY! Think about it.
You forgot the one thing to make this perfect.But that's the beauty of it! It's exactly like you say! If Marten went after Faye now it would be incredibly creepy and awful! If Faye were to give in it'd be worse! Angus would have his heart wrenched out! Marten would be unequivocally wrong!How exactly would Marten be wrong? Faye and Angus are hardly an established couple, they had like one date. Plus, if Faye wants to break it off with Angus, it's her choice.
You're right, it is her choice, but this would be the worst possible way to do it. Imagine the next day:
Faye: Listen, i'm sorry but this isn't going to work out.
Angus: What? Why?!
Faye: I had awesome drunken sex with Marten last night and I want to be with him after all. Thanks for your time, though!
Angus: :-o :? :cry:
Let me also remind you that Marten once reassured Angus that he wasn't holding a torch for Faye. If this happened he'd be doubly betrayed and pretty goddamned fucking pissed off.
Uh, can the discussion try to be limited to comic as it is established to be now, and where it probably will go in the near future?
Because going back and forth about Fayten--while increasing page count, apparently something worthy of interest--is really pointless. The most that could possibly happen is Dora finding out Marten decided to get sloshed with Faye without her directly after their fight, and that making things even worse between them. Faye is very invested in Angus at this point, and not in Marten, and has trust issues that are antithesis to the possibility of her cheating. As far as we know at least.
I would just like to say how much this weeks discussion thread has made me feel bad for Angus, from the perspective of some of the people here. :| Sure, Faye, dump Angus! You know you really want Marten...even though you seem to like Angus and he seems to like you, and there doesn't seem to be any real reason to throw him under the heartbreak-bus. :-(
*stares at thread*
*looks down at The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
*looks back at thread*
...so be it ...if it must be done...
<big snippa-snip>
*swings The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks around his head and gives a battle cry*
*plunges into the fray*
And besides, Angus is totally not into Marigold, sorry.Waitaminit—has someone actually suggested that? Because I was being sarcastic.
*Follows Tergon into the melee wielding his uwn UBMEOD*
And besides, Angus is totally not into Marigold, sorry.Waitaminit—has someone actually suggested that? Because I was being sarcastic.
You know, these dick-broom charges never really work out as well as you think they're going too...
I'd suggest not trying to steer this thread to remain ontopic. That's one self-destructive path, my friend.It doesn't actually bother me :lol:, just feel like every little bit might help get us away from discussion about Fayten. :roll:
If it's bothering you go read a magazine and forget this thread exists for a week or so, then come back for next week. Or at least stop reading for a night. It helps if you take it all in small doses.
Dora's honestly a pretty worthless person, and I'm really kind of excited that it's getting this rocky again. It was really just a matter of time before Marten realized how much of a crazy bitch she is, and as she's gotten more comfortable with the relationship, she's allowed herself to lower herself to my expectations. I'm not saying I think he'll get with Faye - she's got a good thing going now, I approve of it. But definitely drop her. It's just too bad that she owns one of the 3 backdrops for the comic, or there would be a real good excuse to just phase her out altogether and replace her with more likable - not to mention more attractive - women. Thumbs up, Dude. Thumbs. Up.
Proud guardian of the original Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks
Akronnick, I can think of no more appropriate steed for a Knight Of The Dickbroom than a foul-mouthed, perpetually shouting, lust-crazed bird with a scrotum hanging from its chin and a distinctive cry of "Gobble gobble gobble".
*Follows Tergon into the melee wielding his uwn UBMEOD*
WE FIGHT AS ONE, AKRONNICK!
FOR THE ORDER OF THE DICKBROOM! FOR THE PREVENTING OF A FIFTY-PAGE THREAD THIS WEEK! FOR GLORY AND FOR FAITH IN JEPH!
CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!
Edit for raoullefere:
It makes a sort of wet flapping sound, it's really quite unpleasant.
Anyone else notice that when Dora and Marten are fighting, the comics get posted like...really early? Or is it just me?
If I was Marten I would just try and convey to Faye that I didn't care about her hangups, but it'd be tough. I think this is one of those instances where the man really needs to take control - he should just get drunk with her, then gently but firmly rub her up against a wall by her wrists and start kissing and dry humping her while whispering in her ear about how much he likes her, sexually as well as a friend. Though at first she might be disconcerted or disorientated it's important he never stop - Marten is passive by nature but if he apologises and walks away it will just add to Faye's abandonment issues as she'll feel that her crying or screaming for him to stop has pushed him away. Unfortunately I don't think Marten has the willpower to do this ... really, what he needs is a good friend who would help him out by lacing his drink with cocaine or some other aggressant that would allow him to really let his inhibitions go and confess his feelings, but I don't think any are up to it :-(
...
... really?
REALLY?!
I'm... I'm... I'm speechless.
TERGON! AKRONNICK! If you would have this fool's UBMEOD...it is yours!
I said something yesterday about how people are projecting themselves onto the characters in the way they talk about the situation. We're learning some truly dreadful things about our fellow readers, eh?Especially the lust turkeys.
By the way, a number of people (especially people new to the forum) have expressed distress over the number of people who hate Dora. To those people: don't worry. If you show up here the next time Faye punches someone, you'll learn there's also plenty of hate for "violent psychopath" Faye who doesn't understand that violence is not OK just because it's female on male. And if Marten had roled over to Dora's non-apology here, people showing hate for "doormat" "personality-less" Marten. You get the idea. It's the internet. It comes with the territory.
I don't think anyone hates Hanners though. We all love Hanners!
As the impetus for this line of thought, you're welcome.Akronnick, I can think of no more appropriate steed for a Knight Of The Dickbroom than a foul-mouthed, perpetually shouting, lust-crazed bird with a scrotum hanging from its chin and a distinctive cry of "Gobble gobble gobble".
And that is now my signature...
*stares at thread*
*looks down at The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
*looks back at thread*
...so be it ...if it must be done...
Okay, first things first: Marten and Faye are not about to randomly hook up. There are seven things wrong with that idea, and each one of them is all of it. Even if Marten still had serious romantic interest in Faye (he's said multiple times he does not), and even if Faye still had serious romantic interest in Marten (she's also said she does not), and even if Faye wasn't now into Angus (she is), and even if Dora and Marten do break up (they haven't), it still would not happen because Jeph is not a rejected writer from Friends. Seriously, what the fuck. Even if, IF the over-arching storyline of QC is leading toward them finally hooking up, it is absolutely nowhere near happening yet. No amount of booze, emotions, lowered inhibitions or ANYTHING ELSE can make that plausible.
Next, Dora.
Yes, she's being a terrible bitch. Eveyone in the comic has thus far realised it - including, and this is important, DORA HERSELF. Her being an insecure control freak is not a sudden dramatic thing, it is in fact one of the biggest recurring themes in the relationship and has been a major plot point several times in the past. Her insecurities have been a prevalent issue since literally within hours of her and Marten first hooking up when she collapsed in a ball of self-loathing after kissing him. Getting sad because Marten might not really want her, getting touchy when other women interact with Marten, not trusting Faye and Marten together, not listening to Marten, not respecting Marten's privacy - they are all offshoots of the same fucking problem and this has been made abundantly clear, in canon, a dozen times.
Is this problem making hell for Marten? Yes, obviously. Is Marten sick of dealing with this problem? Yes, obviously. So why is he still dealing with it? It is because Dora is his girlfriend and he obviously loves her and how the fucking hell is that not the most obvious thing of all, seriously. He has his limits, God knows he has his limits, but he's making the effort because he's a human being with real emotions who's working to make his relationship last with someone he cares about. If and when he reaches his limit the relationship might end, but he's not at the limit yet. How can we tell? Because he's still trying, even if he's bitter about it. Yes, he's nearing his limit, but he is not going to decide to change everything now. A relationship with someone you like isn't like changing your accounts to a new bank because you don't like the service at your old one, and acting like he can just "change his mind" about Dora is utterly, utterly retarded. His actions up until this point, and Dora's actions up until this point, are completely logical, make perfect sense for their characters, and I for the life of me cannot see what all the confusion is about.
Yes, obviously, things are pretty fucking bad right now. Will they break up? Maybe. Will they break up permanently? I have no goddamn clue. Maybe Marten's going to take that holiday he was talking to Dora about a while back, only by himself, to "clear his head" a little. Or maybe Dora will actually find some way to come to terms with her issues. Or maybe Marten will finally lose his famous cool, blow up at all the shit in his life, and they'll break up for good. What's even MORE likely is that none of these things will happen in the next strip, or the next ten, or maybe even the next hundred, because only Jeph knows where the current arc is going and thus far he's prett good at defying our expectations.
If we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships. But guess what? NOBODY SAID THEY HAD TO BE FUCKING REASONABLE. People, as a rule, are not reasonable or sensible in the vast majority of cases. And even if Marten and Dora don't break up over this specific incident, maybe it'll be another one. Or maybe they won't. Screaming that they absolutely must do this or that will not only achieve nothing, it's stupid. I, for one, lean toward them sticking together, even if things are mighty strained for a while, but if they really wanted to break up, it would have happened three hundred strips ago and we all goddamn know it.
So in closing, my final thoughts:
This is all happening as part of the story progression. The characters are being true to what we know about them, even in going so far as to say that we know they can be inconsistent. The characters do not have to do the "sensible" or the "right" thing. And they are allowed to fuck things up for themselves. But, ultimately, things are going to change, because if they don't the story will go nowhere at all. How they will change, how dramatic it will be, and who - if anyone - is right... that, we're going to find out.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST ARGUING THAT YOU WOULD WRITE THE STORY DIFFERENTLY, IT WILL NOT CHANGE HOW THE STORY IS WRITTEN. So calm the jolly fuck down, have a little faith that Jeph is actually a competent storywriter, and let the man take us along for the ride. I, for one, am enjoying it.
*swings The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks around his head and gives a battle cry*
*plunges into the fray*
I don't think anyone hates Hanners though. We all love Hanners!
TERGON! AKRONNICK! If you would have this fool's UBMEOD...it is yours!
Join with us, good Doctor, and may your Dickbroom flail in the face of many an ignorant Fan-Troll. Ride 'til only the open plains lie before you!
Also, good to see some saner opinions reading through this thread, especially in the last few pages. Maybe if we actually gave Jeph a little more credit instead of screaming in hate every time he does something new, he'd be more cheerful about visiting these threads. :P It's a pleasure to see some folks do agree. The Order of the Dickbroom smiles upon you all.
Man, FUCK Hanners. [...]Um ?
TERGON! AKRONNICK! If you would have this fool's UBMEOD...it is yours!
Join with us, good Doctor, and may your Dickbroom flail in the face of many an ignorant Fan-Troll. Ride 'til only the open plains lie before you!
Also, good to see some saner opinions reading through this thread, especially in the last few pages. Maybe if we actually gave Jeph a little more credit instead of screaming in hate every time he does something new, he'd be more cheerful about visiting these threads. :P It's a pleasure to see some folks do agree. The Order of the Dickbroom smiles upon you all.
You do me too much honor, sir. Though our brooms be stilled now, I shall stand vigilant with you...for we know they will return.
Man, FUCK Hanners. [...]Um ?
There actually has been Hanners hate on here in the past...
The morons that fail to realize that what Dora did in Monday's comic was a complete deal-breaker are killing me here (also Jeph giving people even the slightest hope for a continued relationship between Marten and Dora at this point). (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/WdOdin/Smilies/emot-psypop.gif)
Yeahhhh, you do realise that the interpretation of "The prince" as satire is a really recent invention? Considering that there had already been a book published in England, refuting Mach's points before "The prince" had even been translated, you sort of understand why people might not see it as satire.
The morons that fail to realize that what Dora did in Monday's comic was a complete deal-breaker are killing me here (also Jeph giving people even the slightest hope for a continued relationship between Marten and Dora at this point). (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/WdOdin/Smilies/emot-psypop.gif)
Oh hey sup Odin
You missed that train by several hours
Also, I could give an anecdotal response about how in my experience you fight for relationships you care about and "dealbreaker" is a silly fuckin' meme, but I don't feel like gettin' trolled
Also, dickbroom
The morons that fail to realize that what Dora did in Monday's comic was a complete deal-breaker are killing me here (also Jeph giving people even the slightest hope for a continued relationship between Marten and Dora at this point). (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/WdOdin/Smilies/emot-psypop.gif)
Oh hey sup Odin
You missed that train by several hours
Also, I could give an anecdotal response about how in my experience you fight for relationships you care about and "dealbreaker" is a silly fuckin' meme, but I don't feel like gettin' trolled
Also, dickbroom
Missed the train, nothing, I'm the fuckin' conductor and have been screaming "ALL ABOARD!" for months.
Dora has proven time and again that she has no real respect for Marten and when he finally displays a bit of spine growth about it she basically says "Fuck you, I'm out of here!" and storms off. The relationship is already over, all that is left is the series of events where both of them realize this fact.
The morons that fail to realize that what Dora did in Monday's comic was a complete deal-breaker are killing me here (also Jeph giving people even the slightest hope for a continued relationship between Marten and Dora at this point). (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/WdOdin/Smilies/emot-psypop.gif)
Oh hey sup Odin
You missed that train by several hours
Also, I could give an anecdotal response about how in my experience you fight for relationships you care about and "dealbreaker" is a silly fuckin' meme, but I don't feel like gettin' trolled
Also, dickbroom
Missed the train, nothing, I'm the fuckin' conductor and have been screaming "ALL ABOARD!" for months.
Dora has proven time and again that she has no real respect for Marten and when he finally displays a bit of spine growth about it she basically says "Fuck you, I'm out of here!" and storms off. The relationship is already over, all that is left is the series of events where both of them realize this fact.
Actually, ChibiSoma stole your conductor position, and added to it the gross flavor of Faye/Marten shipping and needlessly calling Dora a bitch over and over.
I do think it's time for Marten to tell her that if they are gonna be together, no more dithering, no more promises to change, she has to get some serious self-reflection and self-collection going on.
As Christopher Titus would have it, Death ain't gonna give you a rebate for sticking with someone who hurts you. And I think Dora and Marten are good for each other, but Dora was so destroyed by the opposite sex early on that she has a regimen of defense mechanisms and bullshit she keeps projecting at him. She needs to take care of her damage.
Thing is, she more than likely didn't know where his porn collection was stored. (Guessing because she had never seen it. You don't put it someplace obvious like My Documents/My Pictures...)
ISTR people complaining that she was annoying, immature, and unrealistic - plus the taking up time flak that Marigold gets. (Of course, that's countered by the Hanten, Hantai, Hannigold, and Han(insert half the damn screen names of the forum a year or so ago here) shippers. Both camps are freaking insane.)There actually has been Hanners hate on here in the past...
...That's awful. Was it real, honest to God character hate, or just the kind of flak Marigold gets for taking up time...?
hopefully he'll be able to protect her from herself.
Next time I joke about this, I'm saying 941 pages, just to see what happens.
Honestly, how can anyone expect their post to be read by more than 2 people before it's "sage'd" 2 pages away. .. or are people ACTUALLY reading every single one of these hundreds and hundreds of posts?
12 pages total, 7 pages for comic #1797 alone, & 200+ poll voters...
"Cap'n! The forums! She cannae take much more!"
"I know, Scotty! Reroute server power from to the deflector dish to emit a blushing Hanners-pulse to give us a buffer between-"
"Kep'tin! Yelling Bird decloaking off the port bow! He is firing a salvo of Guest Strips!"
"Brace for imp-"
*EXPLOSION*
Elsewhere...
"Ben...? What's wrong?"
"I felt a great disturbance in The Force... As if millions of fanfics and shippers suddenly cried out in agony and were suddenly silenced... I fear something terrible has happened."
:psyduck:
i wonder how many recently created users will stay after this whole arcs end....
16 pages woooo :psyduck:
My prediction for the next set of strips-
Marten chases after Dora, out of the COD. Bottle in hand, Faye follows him.
Gasping for breath, she loses sight of him about halfway to Sven's place. As she slows to a walk, she smells smoke, an acrid, plastic smell. She turns the corner, and almost bumps into Marten. Sven's place is engulfed in a thick, black smoke.
Standing in front is Dora, Yelling Bird on her shoulder and a can of gasoline in her hand. Her eyes are a deep, eldritch-black. "He told me I was wrong," she muttered. "And as for you..." She raises the can of gasoline and lights a match.
Faye screams and leaps in front of the ball of flaming gasoline that some otherworldly force has launched at Martin. He stares in horror as her flesh sears away, her charred form writhing on the grass out front.
Dora grimaces. "It was... meant for you..." She once again raises the can...
The scene flashes to black, then fades back in...
Marten bolts awake. He is... back at his place. Back in his bed. Was this all a dream? Nearby there is a shower running. He slowly slips out of the bed and walks over to the shower... out of which steps...
Patrick Duffy!
Longtime lurker, first time poster - really, really sorry about adding to the length of this thread! Just wanted to throw my two cents from a different perspective.
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Post of the Decade (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25347.msg978539.html#msg978539)
hopefully he'll be able to protect her from herself.
I don't think anyone can do that.
Which is a bit of a scary thought- if she really does have all these emotional issues going on and just decides, "Hey, it'll never get any better, why not just..."
Well.
I had a friend who did that. It was... terrible.
(And if you want to have some fun, do the random archive perusal with the Benny Hill themesong playing in the background. Hilarity!)
Been in Marten's position - down so far that you're looking up at the snake's belly, thinking that everyone would say, "You're justified, walk away." and knowing that the right thing to do is to man up, and sort it out. Based on his comments, Marten knows this and will be going to sort it out - because he does love her and needs to do it
And in Marten's mood, I would hope that he remembers that bourbon is NOT your friend. In the morning you still have the problem, AND a hangover.
Sven will pound some sense into Dora.Am I the only one who got severe incestual vibes from the wording of this? :|
Okay, okay, but the meaning is that he's gonna knock some sense into the purple-haired biatch.QuoteSven will pound some sense into Dora.Am I the only one who got severe incestuous vibes from the wording of this? :|
Okay, okay, but the meaning is that he's gonna knock some sense into the purple-haired biatch.QuoteSven will pound some sense into Dora.Am I the only one who got severe incestuous vibes from the wording of this? :|
Finally found your balls, good for you Marten.Oh fuck this attitude.
Fuck Dora, she's a cunt.
Get drunk and hook up with Faye, or anyone else in the comic for that matter. She's going to go around telling people you guys are broken up anyway.
Finally found your balls, good for you Marten.Oh fuck this attitude.
Fuck Dora, she's a cunt.
Get drunk and hook up with Faye, or anyone else in the comic for that matter. She's going to go around telling people you guys are broken up anyway.
Even if you hate Dora - I must say I'm not the biggest fan of her personally - Marten obviously cares and as such just "giving up" before it's truly over would most likely be counterproductive to his goals and wishes.
Finally found your balls, good for you Marten.Oh fuck this attitude.
Fuck Dora, she's a cunt.
Get drunk and hook up with Faye, or anyone else in the comic for that matter. She's going to go around telling people you guys are broken up anyway.
Even if you hate Dora - I must say I'm not the biggest fan of her personally - Marten obviously cares and as such just "giving up" before it's truly over would most likely be counterproductive to his goals and wishes.
Wow... people actually like Angus? What for? What part of him do you like? Tell me about it. please. Terll me what about the character stands out, because I've perceived him as this complete non-entity so far, just a character with no substance other than having a sharp wit and a crush on Faye.
Wow... people actually like Angus? What for? What part of him do you like? Tell me about it. please. Terll me what about the character stands out, because I've perceived him as this complete non-entity so far, just a character with no substance other than having a sharp wit and a crush on Faye.
Really? Angus is kind, suspectible to tit-shock, imperfect, fairly content with his job and lifestyle, cooks, and dances.
Sounds like you've just ignored Angus, which is perfectly fine.
Oh fuck this attitude.
Even if you hate Dora - I must say I'm not the biggest fan of her personally - Marten obviously cares and as such just "giving up" before it's truly over would most likely be counterproductive to his goals and wishes.
How? He's a young man in an excellent position to do whatever he wants with whoever he pleases. He just wants to be happy and enjoy himself, he can't help it if he didn't see this coming. Nor would he have taken part if he did see this coming, what about him so far has shown anyone that he would be happy to take part in this relationship if he is so ready to talk down the dog and pony show its been so far.
If he gets drunk in the next comic because Faye suggest it as a means for coping with the situation as it plays through, what does that show us about him? That he's this staunch stoic who is well prepared to deal with his insane girlfriend and just deal with it?
Really? Angus is kind, suspectible to tit-shock, imperfect, fairly content with his job and lifestyle, cooks, and dances.When I re-read the entire strip after QC volume 1, Angus came off as.... borderline creepy. The idea that the coffee shop girl would literally date the guy who came in just to trade quips with her sounds a little close to enabling stalker behavior for me, and I'd honestly rather see their relationship hit major snags sooner than later.
Sounds like you've just ignored Angus, which is perfectly fine.
... I must admit, you guys are kind of mental when it comes to this sort of thing.
For a start the "ABUSE" label is not what is happening, its stupidity on both peoples parts but they do seem to mean well towards each other. And the sheer amount of hate that you guys are pouring out at two fictional characters is all kinds of odd. I mean, I'm sure some of us have all been in this or similar positions, but putting your own judgements in instead of actually looking at what both of THEM want is all kinds of weird.
Really, a lot of this seems to be you guys saying stuff about what you wish you had done in a similar (maybe) situation, and then demanding that both Marten and Dora conform to what you did and what the other person did (or alternativly what you might want to happen). Just because it worked for you doesn't mean it'll work for them and it also doesn't mean that either of these two people are in the same places you were.
TLDR: I would advise waiting and seeing, and you do your cause no favours by shouting like toddlers about what people "Should" do.
I figured that was part of it. If you can, provide a link to where Angus talks about his job, because I wouldn't even know what it is he does. I remember the strip where he dances, that was his finest moment ever. Especially the post-dancing awkward conversation. Actually there's another candidate for his finest moment, that morning where he's working the conversation top imply that hot Marilore action just took place.Wow... people actually like Angus? What for? What part of him do you like? Tell me about it. please. Terll me what about the character stands out, because I've perceived him as this complete non-entity so far, just a character with no substance other than having a sharp wit and a crush on Faye.
Really? Angus is kind, suspectible to tit-shock, imperfect, fairly content with his job and lifestyle, cooks, and dances.
Sounds like you've just ignored Angus, which is perfectly fine.
IT IS TRULY OVERExcept you don't know it's over at all, do you?
Dora insists on being abusive towards Marten, and blaming him when she's called out on it. She is aware of what she is doing, and does not care to stop.
This is not a foundation for anything other than a Lifetime original movie, or a repeat of the Faye's Dad head-blowing strip.
Oh fuck this attitude.
Even if you hate Dora - I must say I'm not the biggest fan of her personally - Marten obviously cares and as such just "giving up" before it's truly over would most likely be counterproductive to his goals and wishes.
How? He's a young man in an excellent position to do whatever he wants with whoever he pleases. He just wants to be happy and enjoy himself, he can't help it if he didn't see this coming. Nor would he have taken part if he did see this coming, what about him so far has shown anyone that he would be happy to take part in this relationship if he is so ready to talk down the dog and pony show its been so far.
If he gets drunk in the next comic because Faye suggest it as a means for coping with the situation as it plays through, what does that show us about him? That he's this staunch stoic who is well prepared to deal with his insane girlfriend and just deal with it?
Excellent position? Marten doesn't have much at all going for him...hasn't he acknowledged that even he feels that way in a past comic?
Angus is a professional strawman. He goes to debates and loses on purpouse.I figured that was part of it. If you can, provide a link to where Angus talks about his job, because I wouldn't even know what it is he does. I remember the strip where he dances, that was his finest moment ever. Especially the post-dancing awkward conversation. Actually there's another candidate for his finest moment, that morning where he's working the conversation top imply that hot Marilore action just took place.Wow... people actually like Angus? What for? What part of him do you like? Tell me about it. please. Terll me what about the character stands out, because I've perceived him as this complete non-entity so far, just a character with no substance other than having a sharp wit and a crush on Faye.
Really? Angus is kind, suspectible to tit-shock, imperfect, fairly content with his job and lifestyle, cooks, and dances.
Sounds like you've just ignored Angus, which is perfectly fine.
Angus is a professional strawman. He goes to debates and loses on purpouse.Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?
It's really more a form of activism, because he's only debating for causes he's really against.
... I must admit, you guys are kind of mental when it comes to this sort of thing.
For a start the "ABUSE" label is not what is happening, its stupidity on both peoples parts but they do seem to mean well towards each other. And the sheer amount of hate that you guys are pouring out at two fictional characters is all kinds of odd. I mean, I'm sure some of us have all been in this or similar positions, but putting your own judgements in instead of actually looking at what both of THEM want is all kinds of weird.
Really, a lot of this seems to be you guys saying stuff about what you wish you had done in a similar (maybe) situation, and then demanding that both Marten and Dora conform to what you did and what the other person did (or alternativly what you might want to happen). Just because it worked for you doesn't mean it'll work for them and it also doesn't mean that either of these two people are in the same places you were.
TLDR: I would advise waiting and seeing, and you do your cause no favours by shouting like toddlers about what people "Should" do.
Sorry, but brief and reasonable posts get ignored around these parts. Additionally, this same thought has been voiced by at least a dozen others...same thing though. You'd have to either be a celebrity-poster or keep the concept but multiply the length fourfold if you want it to be considered.
There's no way to be sure, but I guess we'll only find out with time if Marten ever discovers it, but maybe having a crazy girlfriend has something to do with it.
Other than that, he appears to be a healthy, friendly, social, and he can afford a place with a roommate. Seems pretty well off to me. :wink:
......
You are all WEEABOOS and FURRIES!
Angus is a professional strawman. He goes to debates and loses on purpouse.Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?
It's really more a form of activism, because he's only debating for causes he's really against.
Fuck, I've seen couples go through much worse fights and problems than this and come through it better off in the end.
And obviously marten hasn't completely given up as evidenced by bitterly conceding that he's gonna have to set it right.
Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1384
Fuck, I've seen couples go through much worse fights and problems than this and come through it better off in the end.
And obviously marten hasn't completely given up as evidenced by bitterly conceding that he's gonna have to set it right.
Well, given Marten's attitude and the things that have been said, I think it's pointing more at the kind of fight that is going to escalate further the more they talk.
Can couples work out of fights like the one Marten and Dora are going through? Absolutely. But the kind of dynamic Marten and Dora have created isn't the kind that works things out. Even if they got back together it'd be with loads of unresolved hostility and issues, where Marten is sick and tired of being Captain Doormat and Dora is unwilling to trust him or treat him as an equal. Honestly this is the kind of relationship where the further it goes, the more they try to paper over the issues and the worse it gets when they finally break up. Continued Dora/Marten = more drama when it finally blows up.
I figured that was part of it. If you can, provide a link to where Angus talks about his job, because I wouldn't even know what it is he does. I remember the strip where he dances, that was his finest moment ever. Especially the post-dancing awkward conversation. Actually there's another candidate for his finest moment, that morning where he's working the conversation top imply that hot Marilore action just took place.Wow... people actually like Angus? What for? What part of him do you like? Tell me about it. please. Terll me what about the character stands out, because I've perceived him as this complete non-entity so far, just a character with no substance other than having a sharp wit and a crush on Faye.
Really? Angus is kind, suspectible to tit-shock, imperfect, fairly content with his job and lifestyle, cooks, and dances.
Sounds like you've just ignored Angus, which is perfectly fine.
Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1384
Here's the comic in question.
Thanks. I guess I know something about Angus now. I don't know why I forgot that strip, maybe I skipped a week, cause I don't remember the one afterwards either. I think that next one is the kind of strip I associate with Angus.Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1384
Here's the comic in question.
*all laugh*Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1384
Here's the comic in question.
Thanks. I guess I know something about Angus now. I don't know why I forgot that strip, maybe I skipped a week, cause I don't remember the one afterwards either. I think that next one is the kind of strip I associate with Angus.Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1384
Here's the comic in question.
"Hey service-industry worker I hardly know!"
"Hey regular customer."
"I'd like to make an inappropriate suggestion."
"I'd like to tip this coffee over your head, but we're all going to be dissapointed, I guess."
"OK! You sure are my one true love!"
"Who are you again?"
*all laugh*
I have no opinion on the story and nothing to add, but I just wanted to say I enjoyed the comic, onward to page 20!
Mmm, helps a lot if you put it in the context of the previous stack of strips that Angus appeared in.I don't know about you, but the context I can't help but put it in is that of Faye having recently resolved not to sleep with Sven anymore, still being horny and yet not entertaining even one thought about Angus. He just didn't exist in a sexual context for her. and personally I can't remember exactly how that changed. Nor do I believe it should.
Mmm, helps a lot if you put it in the context of the previous stack of strips that Angus appeared in.I don't know about you, but the context I can't help but put it in is that of Faye having recently resolved not to sleep with Sven anymore, still being horny and yet not entertaining even one thought about Angus. He just didn't exist in a sexual context for her. and personally I can't remember exactly how that changed. Nor do I believe it should.
I look at that run of strips, and I see Faye being uncomfortable about being flirted with. At the end of it, she says he's 'not bad', but she doesn't get that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone. To me, Faygus was pretty much a forced storyline, it didn't grow naturally out of anything plausible. It had some moments of cuteness, but mostly... I see Angus as the guy whose 'love' (read 'crush') should have remained unrequited.
Only for Faye. I'm starting to think that maybe the only reason she got with Angus is because he's so damn persistent, and not actually a jerk. Oh hey, a mirror for Marten's relationship. Except that Dora kind of IS a jerk, he just didn't realise until later. I guess Faye and Angus did have a couple of genuine moments, but then they had the boob-trance moment, and that didn't seem like anything real to me. It just seemed... weird and wrong.Mmm, helps a lot if you put it in the context of the previous stack of strips that Angus appeared in.I don't know about you, but the context I can't help but put it in is that of Faye having recently resolved not to sleep with Sven anymore, still being horny and yet not entertaining even one thought about Angus. He just didn't exist in a sexual context for her. and personally I can't remember exactly how that changed. Nor do I believe it should.
I look at that run of strips, and I see Faye being uncomfortable about being flirted with. At the end of it, she says he's 'not bad', but she doesn't get that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone. To me, Faygus was pretty much a forced storyline, it didn't grow naturally out of anything plausible. It had some moments of cuteness, but mostly... I see Angus as the guy whose 'love' (read 'crush') should have remained unrequited.
Is it just me or do panels that have Faye and Angus being cute in them, just look fucking horribly uncomfortable?
I don't know about you, but the context I can't help but put it in is that of Faye having recently resolved not to sleep with Sven anymore, still being horny and yet not entertaining even one thought about Angus. He just didn't exist in a sexual context for her. and personally I can't remember exactly how that changed. Nor do I believe it should.
I look at that run of strips, and I see Faye being uncomfortable about being flirted with. At the end of it, she says he's 'not bad', but she doesn't get that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone. To me, Faygus was pretty much a forced storyline, it didn't grow naturally out of anything plausible. It had some moments of cuteness, but mostly... I see Angus as the guy whose 'love' (read 'crush') should have remained unrequited.
Is it just me or do panels that have Faye and Angus being cute in them, just look fucking horribly uncomfortable?
I think we can pretty safely say that Faye+Marten isn't going to happen. Ignoring the fact that Faye is now going out with Angus, does Marten really seem like the type of person who would just rebound to someone else just because she's there? We don't even know if Marten and Dora are officially broken up yet.
Everyone needs to just take a chill pill and see what happens. Jeph knows what he's doing.
Only for Faye. I'm starting to think that maybe the only reason she got with Angus is because he's so damn persistent, and not actually a jerk. Oh hey, a mirror for Marten's relationship. Except that Dora kind of IS a jerk, he just didn't realise until later. I guess Faye and Angus did have a couple of genuine moments, but then they had the boob-trance moment, and that didn't seem like anything real to me. It just seemed... weird and wrong.Mmm, helps a lot if you put it in the context of the previous stack of strips that Angus appeared in.I don't know about you, but the context I can't help but put it in is that of Faye having recently resolved not to sleep with Sven anymore, still being horny and yet not entertaining even one thought about Angus. He just didn't exist in a sexual context for her. and personally I can't remember exactly how that changed. Nor do I believe it should.
I look at that run of strips, and I see Faye being uncomfortable about being flirted with. At the end of it, she says he's 'not bad', but she doesn't get that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone. To me, Faygus was pretty much a forced storyline, it didn't grow naturally out of anything plausible. It had some moments of cuteness, but mostly... I see Angus as the guy whose 'love' (read 'crush') should have remained unrequited.
Is it just me or do panels that have Faye and Angus being cute in them, just look fucking horribly uncomfortable?
I don't know about you, but the context I can't help but put it in is that of Faye having recently resolved not to sleep with Sven anymore, still being horny and yet not entertaining even one thought about Angus. He just didn't exist in a sexual context for her. and personally I can't remember exactly how that changed. Nor do I believe it should.
I look at that run of strips, and I see Faye being uncomfortable about being flirted with. At the end of it, she says he's 'not bad', but she doesn't get that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone. To me, Faygus was pretty much a forced storyline, it didn't grow naturally out of anything plausible. It had some moments of cuteness, but mostly... I see Angus as the guy whose 'love' (read 'crush') should have remained unrequited.
a) Angus is a likeable and well-rounded character. He and Faye share a sense of humour. He is caring and kind (as we have seen multiple times in his interactions with Marigold).I'll grant you that he's pretty kind, he's been decent to Marigold on countless occasions. He also calls a foul on off-colour jokes about her. Well-rounded though? Well, I'll put that down to my selective blindness, OK? I just don't see him as anything other than "Marigold's roommate" and "Faye's sparring partner".
b) Faye has always found Angus attractive... when talking about Angus and Sven to Dr. Corrine, long before Sven, she says "They're both such jackasses! But they're HOT jackasses!" http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=808Oh hey, I have to take my hat off to ya. She really has found him attractive for almost 1000 strips. I still don't think there's anything emotional there, at least on her side, but it's good to know she finds him hot. At least she won't be needing the freaky Popeye forearm for a while. That line just made me do a borderline spit-take by the way. I'll recover from that bout of laughter in about a week or two.
Over time, she has also grown to like and trust him. Seems very natural to me.
c) "that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone"? SERIOUSLY? I mean, seriously? Also, have you seen Faye talk about Sven, or Marten, or anyone she is known to have cared for/been attracted to in any other way?I do not see your problem with this. In my experience if a girl is talking about someone she is developing feelings for, it's plainly fucking obvious and written all over her face. It is one of the cutest sights in all creation, whoever it is directed at. I would say she has had a loving look in her eye countless times when talking either to or about Marten, but YMMV.
c) "that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone"? SERIOUSLY? I mean, seriously? Also, have you seen Faye talk about Sven, or Marten, or anyone she is known to have cared for/been attracted to in any other way?I do not see your problem with this. In my experience if a girl is talking about someone she is developing feelings for, it's plainly fucking obvious and written all over her face. It is one of the cutest sights in all creation, whoever it is directed at. I would say she has had a loving look in her eye countless times when talking either to or about Marten, but YMMV.
Good points, even if I disagree with one and three-quarters of them.
I do not see your problem with this. In my experience if a girl is talking about someone she is developing feelings for, it's plainly fucking obvious and written all over her face. It is one of the cutest sights in all creation, whoever it is directed at. I would say she has had a loving look in her eye countless times when talking either to or about Marten, but YMMV.
c) "that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone"? SERIOUSLY? I mean, seriously? Also, have you seen Faye talk about Sven, or Marten, or anyone she is known to have cared for/been attracted to in any other way?
Good points, even if I disagree with one and three-quarters of them.
I think his (reasonable) point is that you're looking for it in a webcomic when the illustration wasn't nearly as detailed as it is now. And she definitely had a 'challenging/flirtatious' look towards Angus throughout many of the panels that were previously linked.
Care to provide evidence of this 'look' towards Marten? I'd love to see what exactly you're talking about.
I do not see your problem with this. In my experience if a girl is talking about someone she is developing feelings for, it's plainly fucking obvious and written all over her face. It is one of the cutest sights in all creation, whoever it is directed at. I would say she has had a loving look in her eye countless times when talking either to or about Marten, but YMMV.
c) "that kind of smile that girls get when they are hot for someone"? SERIOUSLY? I mean, seriously? Also, have you seen Faye talk about Sven, or Marten, or anyone she is known to have cared for/been attracted to in any other way?
Good points, even if I disagree with one and three-quarters of them.
I think his (reasonable) point is that you're looking for it in a webcomic when the illustration wasn't nearly as detailed as it is now. And she definitely had a 'challenging/flirtatious' look towards Angus throughout many of the panels that were previously linked.
Care to provide evidence of this 'look' towards Marten? I'd love to see what exactly you're talking about.
delicious quote tunnel fail.
Soluzar, I refer you to this: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1736Oh yeah. By that point she was going all crazy for him, although my point is that it came from nowhere. She just woke up one morning and was like, "Hey you know that customer who has a crush on me? The one who I turned down several times already? It's TOTALLY mutual now."
If that's not the look of someone who is genuinely happy and feeling all sorts of warm and fuzzy feelings for the one they are with, I don't know what is.
I'm off to work, have a nice day everyone!
What if the next comic is Faye coming back to the apartment, bottle of bourbon in hand, ready to talk it out with Marten, only to find a note. "Needed to get away for a bit. Went to visit my mom. I'll be....I don't know when I'll be back. Marten". Faye's reaction: "oh....oh shit". Fridays is just her at Svens door trying to get in.
Soluzar, I refer you to this: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1736Oh yeah. By that point she was going all crazy for him, although my point is that it came from nowhere. She just woke up one morning and was like, "Hey you know that customer who has a crush on me? The one who I turned down several times already? It's TOTALLY mutual now."
If that's not the look of someone who is genuinely happy and feeling all sorts of warm and fuzzy feelings for the one they are with, I don't know what is.
I'm off to work, have a nice day everyone!
Up to that point all I got was that she had fun fencing with him. There was a girl at a place I used to work with who acted the same. We used to love sparring, and it was totally like a sport for us. Even so, that didn't mean there was the slightest chance we were gonna end up dating.
Ohhh yeah, I remember now how it happened.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1724
She got all discombobulated by a sudden surge of hormones when he kissed her. She does find him attractive after all. Still not really that much of a basis there for anything real. I've dated girls where it was all chemistry and no real connection. It didn't last long. It was fun, but it was over pretty quick.
Also... that look in her eyes? Fear. It might have changed to something else not long after, but... fear.
I guess I don't understand how you usually build a relationship. Mine usually go a bit like this. Meet a guy, we get to know one another a bit. Maybe we go on a date. That date goes well or doesn't, you are head over heels, or maybe you think you could be head over heels or you're not. I saw their relationship progress to a somewhat shallow level, but enough to know that it might be worth exploring with a date. They had a date, and found that the relationship deserved further development. Angus seems to be a really nice guy, and one of the few people in the comic that I feel can really hold his own with Faye and not get pushed around by her. And also, who isn't a little afraid during a first kiss? The fear and anticipation is the best part.
I guess I don't understand how you usually build a relationship. Mine usually go a bit like this. Meet a guy, we get to know one another a bit. Maybe we go on a date. That date goes well or doesn't, you are head over heels, or maybe you think you could be head over heels or you're not. I saw their relationship progress to a somewhat shallow level, but enough to know that it might be worth exploring with a date. They had a date, and found that the relationship deserved further development. Angus seems to be a really nice guy, and one of the few people in the comic that I feel can really hold his own with Faye and not get pushed around by her. And also, who isn't a little afraid during a first kiss? The fear and anticipation is the best part.The key word is "you" in that first sentance, because maybe I'm a bit odd. All the moderately successful relationships I've had built up for a long time before we even considered dating. In every case it was obvious that we really liked each other as friends first. In the case of my current relationship, we were friends for about a year before either of us actually openly expressed an interest.
Oh, GAWD.
OK, I quit slogging through this thresad (and some of it really was slogging) around page 10 last night when I realized thisthread was a hydra (every page I read, 2 more popped up). Then todays comic came up...
So forgive me, I hear I've missed a few UBMEOD directives. I'll catch up later. But I just wanted to make an observation that I think may not have been made in the 17 pages of fapping noises over who did what to whom. It's about Marten.
Why is he so mellow with Dora? Why is he now, still in anger, going to go try to smooth everything over? It's really the same mistake she just made, after all.
I think I know what's going on in that spikey black head of his. And it's not spinelessness - it's a fantastic show of misplaced strength.
Marten's the product of a broken home. His folks divorces when he was ten, probably after a great many fights. It's pretty well known that kids that age (and younger, the preteens) take a divorce to heart. They often feel it's their fault, and I can see Marten trying to make things right between his folks.
Now, he's an adult, and knows better. But this was a major character forming event in his life. I'm not going to cite the comic, but he's joked about it with Tai; Mother's day = corsets, Father's day = bitter recriminations. Dad's been forgiven, but there are scars.
Thing is, as parents, we always want better for our children, and always tell them not to make the mistakes we did. And as children, we always look at the lives of our parents and vow not to do the stupid things they did. Marten will always, ALWAYS work VERY hard not to have a commited relationship fail the way his parent's failed.
Even if he's not sure it's worth it anymore.
I'm also worried about Faye and the emergency bourbon.
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I love how people spend 17 pages going back and forth over-analyzing fictional characters, and then someone's analysis rubs them the wrong way and they feel compelled to post "god it's just ficiton."
the kissing is usually pretty good, too :P
The whole 'toto song' bit between Angus and Faye almost slew me with cute.
I love how people spend 17 pages going back and forth over-analyzing fictional characters, and then someone's analysis rubs them the wrong way and they feel compelled to post "god it's just ficiton."
Marten's a character in a fiction, he's going to do whatever the author wants him to do, regardless of where he supposidly comes from, backhistory established. Why? The author is trying to entertain an audience, that doesn't always mean do what everyone thinks makes sense.
*stares at thread*
*looks down at The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
*looks back at thread*
...so be it ...if it must be done...
Okay, first things first: Marten and Faye are not about to randomly hook up. There are seven things wrong with that idea, and each one of them is all of it. Even if Marten still had serious romantic interest in Faye (he's said multiple times he does not), and even if Faye still had serious romantic interest in Marten (she's also said she does not), and even if Faye wasn't now into Angus (she is), and even if Dora and Marten do break up (they haven't), it still would not happen because Jeph is not a rejected writer from Friends. Seriously, what the fuck. Even if, IF the over-arching storyline of QC is leading toward them finally hooking up, it is absolutely nowhere near happening yet. No amount of booze, emotions, lowered inhibitions or ANYTHING ELSE can make that plausible.
Next, Dora.
Yes, she's being a terrible bitch. Eveyone in the comic has thus far realised it - including, and this is important, DORA HERSELF. Her being an insecure control freak is not a sudden dramatic thing, it is in fact one of the biggest recurring themes in the relationship and has been a major plot point several times in the past. Her insecurities have been a prevalent issue since literally within hours of her and Marten first hooking up when she collapsed in a ball of self-loathing after kissing him. Getting sad because Marten might not really want her, getting touchy when other women interact with Marten, not trusting Faye and Marten together, not listening to Marten, not respecting Marten's privacy - they are all offshoots of the same fucking problem and this has been made abundantly clear, in canon, a dozen times.
Is this problem making hell for Marten? Yes, obviously. Is Marten sick of dealing with this problem? Yes, obviously. So why is he still dealing with it? It is because Dora is his girlfriend and he obviously loves her and how the fucking hell is that not the most obvious thing of all, seriously. He has his limits, God knows he has his limits, but he's making the effort because he's a human being with real emotions who's working to make his relationship last with someone he cares about. If and when he reaches his limit the relationship might end, but he's not at the limit yet. How can we tell? Because he's still trying, even if he's bitter about it. Yes, he's nearing his limit, but he is not going to decide to change everything now. A relationship with someone you like isn't like changing your accounts to a new bank because you don't like the service at your old one, and acting like he can just "change his mind" about Dora is utterly, utterly retarded. His actions up until this point, and Dora's actions up until this point, are completely logical, make perfect sense for their characters, and I for the life of me cannot see what all the confusion is about.
Yes, obviously, things are pretty fucking bad right now. Will they break up? Maybe. Will they break up permanently? I have no goddamn clue. Maybe Marten's going to take that holiday he was talking to Dora about a while back, only by himself, to "clear his head" a little. Or maybe Dora will actually find some way to come to terms with her issues. Or maybe Marten will finally lose his famous cool, blow up at all the shit in his life, and they'll break up for good. What's even MORE likely is that none of these things will happen in the next strip, or the next ten, or maybe even the next hundred, because only Jeph knows where the current arc is going and thus far he's prett good at defying our expectations.
If we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships. But guess what? NOBODY SAID THEY HAD TO BE FUCKING REASONABLE. People, as a rule, are not reasonable or sensible in the vast majority of cases. And even if Marten and Dora don't break up over this specific incident, maybe it'll be another one. Or maybe they won't. Screaming that they absolutely must do this or that will not only achieve nothing, it's stupid. I, for one, lean toward them sticking together, even if things are mighty strained for a while, but if they really wanted to break up, it would have happened three hundred strips ago and we all goddamn know it.
So in closing, my final thoughts:
This is all happening as part of the story progression. The characters are being true to what we know about them, even in going so far as to say that we know they can be inconsistent. The characters do not have to do the "sensible" or the "right" thing. And they are allowed to fuck things up for themselves. But, ultimately, things are going to change, because if they don't the story will go nowhere at all. How they will change, how dramatic it will be, and who - if anyone - is right... that, we're going to find out.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST ARGUING THAT YOU WOULD WRITE THE STORY DIFFERENTLY, IT WILL NOT CHANGE HOW THE STORY IS WRITTEN. So calm the jolly fuck down, have a little faith that Jeph is actually a competent storywriter, and let the man take us along for the ride. I, for one, am enjoying it.
*swings The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks around his head and gives a battle cry*
*plunges into the fray*
Marten's a character in a fiction, he's going to do whatever the author wants him to do, regardless of where he supposidly comes from, backhistory established. Why? The author is trying to entertain an audience, that doesn't always mean do what everyone thinks makes sense.
That being said Jeph's characters stay in, well, character and their actions have been consistent with their established backstories and alluded to character development.
holy fuck 17 pages
there were like four the last time I checked
holy fuck 17 pages
there were like four the last time I checked
Yes, and if you haven't read EVERY SINGLE POST in them, you're either a worthless sack of beans who needs shootin', but ain't worth the bullet, or a paragon of virtue who leaves green grass in your footsteps (which really weirds people out on the dance floor). there is no middle ground or other possibility.
If I was Jeph, you fuckers would be seeing All Marigold and Dale All The Time for the next two weeks, aside from Turkeys and Yelling Bird.
callin it:
marten comes over to sven's place and discovers that that sven and dora are closer than he realized...
something is very wrong in the house of bianchi
mwuahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHA
So yeah, the drama llama got to the point where I pretty much had to register for the forums. So, hi.Of course he didn't deserve it. To me that's the most telling thing Dora has said. Marten's a "vindictive prick" because he's finally done something she thinks she can call him on and thus 'legitimately' bail on the relationship without it being her fault things didn't work out. Goes along with her wanting the relationship to fail because that's the way it's got to be, but actually because the tension of 'knowing' it will fail juxtaposed with the fact that it keeps not doing it, is becoming unbearable. In other words, she's grasping at straws and turning them into two-by-fours. I think that also explains, at least in part, the angry expression she had when she was looking at Marten's porn. Same frustration. I really wonder if Dora's got a case of the bad seamstress blues*.
I've been bugged by Dora's "vindictive prick" line since comic 1797 went up, because seriously Marten didn't deserve it.
They can't, unless they're willing to tie the other person up. And that just stops the exterior stuff. What you can do is give someone something outside herself something to hate in place of herself. I wonder if Sven is willing to do that—if he can see the need, which he might.hopefully he'll be able to protect her from herself.
I don't think anyone can do that.
Which is a bit of a scary thought- if she really does have all these emotional issues going on and just decides, "Hey, it'll never get any better, why not just..."
Well.
I had a friend who did that. It was... terrible.
Patrick Duffy!Well, now we have a ballpark of your age, unless you're really into particularly worthless cultural relics.
I know I am. It's pretty clear to me what when you see this character, you stop really paying attention to the strip until whatever shiny does catch your fancy pops back up.Angus is a professional strawman. He goes to debates and loses on purpouse.Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?
It's really more a form of activism, because he's only debating for causes he's really against.
One thing I've always found nice about reading a good story is that it never goes the way you expect it to go, or how you would write it. If it would, reading it would be boring.
Of course he didn't deserve it. To me that's the most telling thing Dora has said. Marten's a "vindictive prick" because he's finally done something she thinks she can call him on and thus 'legitimately' bail on the relationship without it being her fault things didn't work out. Goes along with her wanting the relationship to fail because that's the way it's got to be, but actually because the tension of 'knowing' it will fail juxtaposed with the fact that it keeps not doing it, is becoming unbearable. In other words, she's grasping at straws and turning them into two-by-fours. I think that also explains, at least in part, the angry expression she had when she was looking at Marten's porn. Same frustration. I really wonder if Dora's got a case of the bad seamstress blues*.
Bitterness and jealousy are death in a relationship...As long as those continue to persist, these two cannot have a healthy relationship. And to get rid of the bitterness and jealousy, they both have some issues to work on. Dora's may be more severe/need to be worked on asap, but Marten's got his things he needs to work on too (even if we, the readers, are only really just starting to find out about them.
The best writing and drawing in the strip has been devoted to their relationship- and how they are best friends but are NOT actually quite right for each other, and Faye at least has moved on from there.Pretty much this. While I think the "one true pairing" idea does happen from time to time, I don't really think it's always the most reasonable case. Had Faye not had her issues, the two of them might have dated, but I don't think it would have turned out for the best. They play off of each other very well as friends, and we've seen that they do seem to rely on each other. But does that mean they're a match romantically? It certainly doesn't have to mean that. They make a good team, but I don't think, especially now that we've seen a lot of character growth from Faye, they'd make a good romantic team.
This is heady stuff, the culmination of a lot of work. I'm really proud of Marten for finally finding the line. Honestly, the crap that he puts up with from the lady cadre with a shrug and a a smile is astounding; the long term effects of being raised by a Dominatrix and a closeted gay man (arguably the ultimate act of submission, subsuming one's self so completely for the ease of others). Marten's role models for the behavior of both men and women are painfully obvious in how he carries himself in his own life. His finally putting his foot down, saying 'This far, and no further' is an incredibly important step for him.
I think I know what's going on in that spikey black head of his. And it's not spinelessness - it's a fantastic show of misplaced strength.I don't have much to add onto these points, except that I think they're quite valid and really give even more insight to Marten.
Marten's the product of a broken home. His folks divorces when he was ten, probably after a great many fights. It's pretty well known that kids that age (and younger, the preteens) take a divorce to heart. They often feel it's their fault, and I can see Marten trying to make things right between his folks....Marten will always, ALWAYS work VERY hard not to have a commited relationship fail the way his parent's failed.
Even if he's not sure it's worth it anymore.
Wow... people actually like Angus? What for? What part of him do you like?I like Angus first and foremost because he seems to be one of the very few characters in the comic who is, for the most part, a typical adult who is pretty ok with his life, but doesn't mind trying to figure out what more he wants and then going for it. Also, he doesn't seem to have crippling issues.
Parts of it are exaggerated a little beyond what I imagine would actually happen in QC, but this would be my dream scenario. Perhaps if ya take out the Sven/Marten punch-up and have Faye say something a little more eloquent to Dora that might actually give them the chance of still having a friendship once Dora realizes that OH CRAP FAYE WAS RIGHT. Also I don't really see a gratuitous copier-room sex scene being in the comic, but Dora/Tai seems workable enough. Marigold getting to be with Angus would be the cherry on the cake.This sort of thing is why I can no longer stand romantic comedies. I'm tired of the story where Main Character F and Main Character M get together because they're so totally meant to be, if only by virtue of the two of them being introduced first. And to help tie up neat ends, all the other characters we meet a long the way are also paired up together, because isn't it so totally adorable, and right, and it all just fits so nicely. Aww.
Oh, GAWD.
OK, I quit slogging through this thresad (and some of it really was slogging) around page 10 last night when I realized thisthread was a hydra (every page I read, 2 more popped up). Then todays comic came up...
So forgive me, I hear I've missed a few UBMEOD directives. I'll catch up later. But I just wanted to make an observation that I think may not have been made in the 17 pages of fapping noises over who did what to whom. It's about Marten.
Why is he so mellow with Dora? Why is he now, still in anger, going to go try to smooth everything over? It's really the same mistake she just made, after all.
I think I know what's going on in that spikey black head of his. And it's not spinelessness - it's a fantastic show of misplaced strength.
Marten's the product of a broken home. His folks divorces when he was ten, probably after a great many fights. It's pretty well known that kids that age (and younger, the preteens) take a divorce to heart. They often feel it's their fault, and I can see Marten trying to make things right between his folks.
Now, he's an adult, and knows better. But this was a major character forming event in his life. I'm not going to cite the comic, but he's joked about it with Tai; Mother's day = corsets, Father's day = bitter recriminations. Dad's been forgiven, but there are scars.
Thing is, as parents, we always want better for our children, and always tell them not to make the mistakes we did. And as children, we always look at the lives of our parents and vow not to do the stupid things they did. Marten will always, ALWAYS work VERY hard not to have a commited relationship fail the way his parent's failed.
Even if he's not sure it's worth it anymore.
I'm also worried about Faye and the emergency bourbon.
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Actually, I feel very sorry for Dora—she's got a good thing, knows it on many levels, and still can't let herself hold on to it. That's tragedy, no matter how you slice it—evokes fear and pity, at least from me. I think Aristotle would totally dig it.
Of course he didn't deserve it. To me that's the most telling thing Dora has said. Marten's a "vindictive prick" because he's finally done something she thinks she can call him on and thus 'legitimately' bail on the relationship without it being her fault things didn't work out. Goes along with her wanting the relationship to fail because that's the way it's got to be, but actually because the tension of 'knowing' it will fail juxtaposed with the fact that it keeps not doing it, is becoming unbearable. In other words, she's grasping at straws and turning them into two-by-fours. I think that also explains, at least in part, the angry expression she had when she was looking at Marten's porn. Same frustration. I really wonder if Dora's got a case of the bad seamstress blues*.
Nothing says classy, like the old bait and switch; you get mad, I'll find a way to be madder at you!
Just another of the fine traits brought to you by Dora enterprises.
Actually, I feel very sorry for Dora—she's got a good thing, knows it on many levels, and still can't let herself hold on to it. That's tragedy, no matter how you slice it—evokes fear and pity, at least from me. I think Aristotle would totally dig it.
Of course he didn't deserve it. To me that's the most telling thing Dora has said. Marten's a "vindictive prick" because he's finally done something she thinks she can call him on and thus 'legitimately' bail on the relationship without it being her fault things didn't work out. Goes along with her wanting the relationship to fail because that's the way it's got to be, but actually because the tension of 'knowing' it will fail juxtaposed with the fact that it keeps not doing it, is becoming unbearable. In other words, she's grasping at straws and turning them into two-by-fours. I think that also explains, at least in part, the angry expression she had when she was looking at Marten's porn. Same frustration. I really wonder if Dora's got a case of the bad seamstress blues*.
Nothing says classy, like the old bait and switch; you get mad, I'll find a way to be madder at you!
Just another of the fine traits brought to you by Dora enterprises.
I also hope she can get better and at the same time can't beleive Jeph gets me to invest this much in a fictional character romping through a comic that started about being about Indy music and fart jokes.
Oh, GAWD.
OK, I quit slogging through this thresad (and some of it really was slogging) around page 10 last night when I realized thisthread was a hydra (every page I read, 2 more popped up). Then todays comic came up...
So forgive me, I hear I've missed a few UBMEOD directives. I'll catch up later. But I just wanted to make an observation that I think may not have been made in the 17 pages of fapping noises over who did what to whom. It's about Marten.
Why is he so mellow with Dora? Why is he now, still in anger, going to go try to smooth everything over? It's really the same mistake she just made, after all.
I think I know what's going on in that spikey black head of his. And it's not spinelessness - it's a fantastic show of misplaced strength.
Marten's the product of a broken home. His folks divorces when he was ten, probably after a great many fights. It's pretty well known that kids that age (and younger, the preteens) take a divorce to heart. They often feel it's their fault, and I can see Marten trying to make things right between his folks.
Now, he's an adult, and knows better. But this was a major character forming event in his life. I'm not going to cite the comic, but he's joked about it with Tai; Mother's day = corsets, Father's day = bitter recriminations. Dad's been forgiven, but there are scars.
Thing is, as parents, we always want better for our children, and always tell them not to make the mistakes we did. And as children, we always look at the lives of our parents and vow not to do the stupid things they did. Marten will always, ALWAYS work VERY hard not to have a commited relationship fail the way his parent's failed.
Even if he's not sure it's worth it anymore.
I'm also worried about Faye and the emergency bourbon.
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Carl-E. Brave, brave friend. Take up your Broom and hold the line with me, for apparently the foes have redoubled their efforts. This is the true deluge, my friend--the shitstorm to end all shitstorms. We must make the people remember Tergon's words, or risk twenty new pages come nightfall.
...Soluzar. Man. Do you know why you don't see Angus the way the rest of us see him? Because you are reading the narrative as MARTEN AND FAYE'S LOVE STORY. Wherein he is an obstacle. Let go your OTP. Please. Pleeeeeeeeeeease. There is still hope for you; a world outside shipperdom.
Wow. This comic makes me really sad. I have to stop reading it first thing in the morning. I don't have anything to add except to point out how good the art was today. I LOVE the look on Faye's face in the last panel when she pulls out the emergency bourbon. A little confusion, a little despair. LOVE IT. Also, is it just me or do Faye's boobs look even bigger than normal in panel three? She really should put a warning label on those things.
*Edited for more psyduck! :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
holy fuck 17 pages
there were like four the last time I checked
Yes, and if you haven't read EVERY SINGLE POST in them, you're either a worthless sack of beans who needs shootin', but ain't worth the bullet, or a paragon of virtue who leaves green grass in your footsteps (which really weirds people out on the dance floor). there is no middle ground or other possibility.
Hey, aren't you that same guy who told everyone to go fuck themselves over some Dora hatred? You'd almost think you were incapable of posting in such an informative style.
*stares at thread*
*looks down at The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
*looks back at thread*
...so be it ...if it must be done...
Okay, first things first: Marten and Faye are not about to randomly hook up. There are seven things wrong with that idea, and each one of them is all of it. Even if Marten still had serious romantic interest in Faye (he's said multiple times he does not), and even if Faye still had serious romantic interest in Marten (she's also said she does not), and even if Faye wasn't now into Angus (she is), and even if Dora and Marten do break up (they haven't), it still would not happen because Jeph is not a rejected writer from Friends. Seriously, what the fuck. Even if, IF the over-arching storyline of QC is leading toward them finally hooking up, it is absolutely nowhere near happening yet. No amount of booze, emotions, lowered inhibitions or ANYTHING ELSE can make that plausible.
Next, Dora.
Yes, she's being a terrible bitch. Eveyone in the comic has thus far realised it - including, and this is important, DORA HERSELF. Her being an insecure control freak is not a sudden dramatic thing, it is in fact one of the biggest recurring themes in the relationship and has been a major plot point several times in the past. Her insecurities have been a prevalent issue since literally within hours of her and Marten first hooking up when she collapsed in a ball of self-loathing after kissing him. Getting sad because Marten might not really want her, getting touchy when other women interact with Marten, not trusting Faye and Marten together, not listening to Marten, not respecting Marten's privacy - they are all offshoots of the same fucking problem and this has been made abundantly clear, in canon, a dozen times.
Is this problem making hell for Marten? Yes, obviously. Is Marten sick of dealing with this problem? Yes, obviously. So why is he still dealing with it? It is because Dora is his girlfriend and he obviously loves her and how the fucking hell is that not the most obvious thing of all, seriously. He has his limits, God knows he has his limits, but he's making the effort because he's a human being with real emotions who's working to make his relationship last with someone he cares about. If and when he reaches his limit the relationship might end, but he's not at the limit yet. How can we tell? Because he's still trying, even if he's bitter about it. Yes, he's nearing his limit, but he is not going to decide to change everything now. A relationship with someone you like isn't like changing your accounts to a new bank because you don't like the service at your old one, and acting like he can just "change his mind" about Dora is utterly, utterly retarded. His actions up until this point, and Dora's actions up until this point, are completely logical, make perfect sense for their characters, and I for the life of me cannot see what all the confusion is about.
Yes, obviously, things are pretty fucking bad right now. Will they break up? Maybe. Will they break up permanently? I have no goddamn clue. Maybe Marten's going to take that holiday he was talking to Dora about a while back, only by himself, to "clear his head" a little. Or maybe Dora will actually find some way to come to terms with her issues. Or maybe Marten will finally lose his famous cool, blow up at all the shit in his life, and they'll break up for good. What's even MORE likely is that none of these things will happen in the next strip, or the next ten, or maybe even the next hundred, because only Jeph knows where the current arc is going and thus far he's prett good at defying our expectations.
If we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships. But guess what? NOBODY SAID THEY HAD TO BE FUCKING REASONABLE. People, as a rule, are not reasonable or sensible in the vast majority of cases. And even if Marten and Dora don't break up over this specific incident, maybe it'll be another one. Or maybe they won't. Screaming that they absolutely must do this or that will not only achieve nothing, it's stupid. I, for one, lean toward them sticking together, even if things are mighty strained for a while, but if they really wanted to break up, it would have happened three hundred strips ago and we all goddamn know it.
So in closing, my final thoughts:
This is all happening as part of the story progression. The characters are being true to what we know about them, even in going so far as to say that we know they can be inconsistent. The characters do not have to do the "sensible" or the "right" thing. And they are allowed to fuck things up for themselves. But, ultimately, things are going to change, because if they don't the story will go nowhere at all. How they will change, how dramatic it will be, and who - if anyone - is right... that, we're going to find out.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST ARGUING THAT YOU WOULD WRITE THE STORY DIFFERENTLY, IT WILL NOT CHANGE HOW THE STORY IS WRITTEN. So calm the jolly fuck down, have a little faith that Jeph is actually a competent storywriter, and let the man take us along for the ride. I, for one, am enjoying it.
*swings The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks around his head and gives a battle cry*
*plunges into the fray*
It's pretty clear to me what when you see this character, you stop really paying attention to the strip until whatever shiny does catch your fancy pops back up.It does seem like that would be the logical response when I see something boring and tedious crop up in the strip, doesn't it? I admit, the Toto moment between them was nice. Shame it's the only thing they've really got in common, the only actual connection that goes beyond snark they have. Oddly enough I pay attention (mostly) when Angus is around Marigold, because he seems to have a genuine and interesting friendship with her. Other times, I just think "Oh bugger, it's Angus again... and Marigold isn't around. I'll wait until tomorrow for a good comic."
See? It all makes sense now, doesn't it?It makes perfect sense actually, after reading just the garbled version. You're a Faygus shipper. Why that is perceived as giving you the moral high ground over a Fayten shipper is another matter, but you're really just as single-minded about your chosen pairing as I am. :)
Say, is Marten's bitterness contagious?What would I be bitter about? I got about 1500 strips of an excellent webcomic before it went south. That was worth my time, and a very enjoyable read. It's still an enjoyable read even now apart from most strips involving Marten and Dora. While I can't say I actually enjoy the Faygus strips, Jeph is doing a reasonable job of writing about them. Sometimes (Toto) even I get swept up in the moment.
...Soluzar. Man. Do you know why you don't see Angus the way the rest of us see him? Because you are reading the narrative as MARTEN AND FAYE'S LOVE STORY. Wherein he is an obstacle. Let go your OTP. Please. Pleeeeeeeeeeease. There is still hope for you; a world outside shipperdom.I told you that. It's true, yeah... that's how I read the story. If I let go of that... I let go of QC.
The problem with Dora and Marten's relationship:Bitterness and jealousy are death in a relationship...As long as those continue to persist, these two cannot have a healthy relationship. And to get rid of the bitterness and jealousy, they both have some issues to work on. Dora's may be more severe/need to be worked on asap, but Marten's got his things he needs to work on too (even if we, the readers, are only really just starting to find out about them.
Hey, aren't you that same guy who told everyone to go fuck themselves over some Dora hatred? You'd almost think you were incapable of posting in such an informative style.
It's pretty clear to me what when you see this character, you stop really paying attention to the strip until whatever shiny does catch your fancy pops back up.It does seem like that would be the logical response when I see something boring and tedious crop up in the strip, doesn't it? I admit, the Toto moment between them was nice. Shame it's the only thing they've really got in common, the only actual connection that goes beyond snark they have. Oddly enough I pay attention (mostly) when Angus is around Marigold, because he seems to have a genuine and interesting friendship with her. Other times, I just think "Oh bugger, it's Angus again... and Marigold isn't around. I'll wait until tomorrow for a good comic."
...Soluzar. Man. Do you know why you don't see Angus the way the rest of us see him? Because you are reading the narrative as MARTEN AND FAYE'S LOVE STORY. Wherein he is an obstacle. Let go your OTP. Please. Pleeeeeeeeeeease. There is still hope for you; a world outside shipperdom.I told you that. It's true, yeah... that's how I read the story. If I let go of that... I let go of QC.
I quit reading.
Because that's why I'm here.
This comic to me is the Marten and Faye show. It has been since the third strip. The first two were just leading up to her introduction. That's how I got hooked, because I thought that is how it was intended. The other characters (to me) are all supporting roles. If I can't read it that way, I don't read. It's that simple, and I wouldn't want my attitude to change.
There are other sources of entertainment if this comic doesn't work for me.
Hey, aren't you that same guy who told everyone to go fuck themselves over some Dora hatred? You'd almost think you were incapable of posting in such an informative style.
I got pissed off at the beginning of the thread because this was the culmination of six bloody weeks of people much like yourself registering to complain about Dora for arcs she was barely even in, and where no matter what she was doing, their answer was the word "bitch".
That bitch, that bitch, she can't do anything right, that bitch.
After six weeks of people doing that I was a liiiiittle tired of hearing the phrase.
Anyhow, you, with your inflammatory icon and your snide commentary, may feel free to follow that earliest advice of mine. :-D Good day!
Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Eva fan?
It isn't relevant to anything, but... that's the only place I personally ever heard that expression used.
eyosgkxb
Who hurt you so bad, man?
I really think this is just going to end up with inevitable Marten/Steve hook up that's been hinted at for so long.
Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Eva fan?
It isn't relevant to anything, but... that's the only place I personally ever heard that expression used.
Shinji Ikari been my homie since long times ago. I don't know if using the phrase is precisely accurate, but I think it does illustrate Dora's general course of action as re: losing control of a situation--push everyone away and fling the spines out. If you date a long line of assholes, I can see that coming in really handy, too.
I really think this is just going to end up with inevitable Marten/Steve hook up that's been hinted at for so long.
I was talking about me.What would I be bitter about?
Say, is Marten's bitterness contagious?
Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Eva fan?
It isn't relevant to anything, but... that's the only place I personally ever heard that expression used.
Shinji Ikari been my homie since long times ago.
QC's never been specifically about those two for me, though.I'm really not trying to tell you what your QC experience should be about, so let me get that clear right away.
eyosgkxb
Who hurt you so bad, man?
Don't color me bad man, I'm just not getting all the Dora love and I may not be as nice as other people. I just see a good oppurtunity for the comic to go in another direction and enjoying it. In fact, should she become a minor character in the comic I'll hope to be the first to make a party thread. She's a complicated character, thats made some really poor choices and gets a lot of support from people who bring their personal problems into the comic. I get that some people can get an emotional attactment to characters by reflecting their past, present, future on comparisions to the character.
But don't you think thats a bit much for a webcomic? No offense to Jeph of course, I'll keep reading regardless.
QC's never been specifically about those two for me, though.I'm really not trying to tell you what your QC experience should be about, so let me get that clear right away.
That said, I am telling you about my QC experience, and having had a recommendation for the strip I only read a couple of new ones before going to the start of the archive.
I got a four-strip introduction for Faye followed by run of strips in which the only other characters were Pintsize, Steve, Sara and Jimbo. A friend of the same gender for each of them, and a comedy sidekick. Dora was only introduced in the 75th strip. Admittedly she did have a hugemungous crush on Marten even back then, but I didn't get the feeling that he reciprocated.
Can you blame me for assuming it was a love story, or at worst... a love triangle story?
Not at all. I had already typed out something really long and vitriolic about telling the author what to do. Then I realized where our difference was. We cool, man, we cool.
All these feelings of good-will and respect of others is really irritating... You guys should have a dick-broom duel or something.Please remind me of the original quote leading to the emergence of the UBMEOD meme, if you can. I've been lurkreading the WCDT for long enough that I saw the first post where someone mentioned a UBMEOD, but I can't remember.
Oh man I have been rooting for Marten ever since the comic was basically stick figures, and the whole time I have been waiting breathlessly for his testicles to descend. Well they haven't, and there is no evidence that he will all of a sudden grow a pair because this time it's different. However it's so painfully obvious that Dora no longer has a shred of respect for him so maybe she will just do him a favor and finish what he can't.
Here's what I would love to see: Dora dumps him in a fit of self-absorbed mania. Marten enters a very dark, broody period and starts listening to a LOT of Joy Division. He finds a companion in Sven, who takes him in and teaches him the ways of the Dark Side!
Here's what I would REALLY love to see: Everybody fucks everybody, the singularity takes over, and the strip is re-imagined as an erotically-charged scifi romp where they are flying through space in a computer-generated simulation. Also, everyone is a talking plant.
Jeph doesn't have the skill to pull off a series of strips like that, yet.
I'm really not trying to tell you what your QC experience should be about, so let me get that clear right away.
That said, I am telling you about my QC experience, and having had a recommendation for the strip I only read a couple of new ones before going to the start of the archive.
I got a four-strip introduction for Faye followed by run of strips in which the only other characters were Pintsize, Steve, Sara and Jimbo. A friend of the same gender for each of them, and a comedy sidekick. Dora was only introduced in the 75th strip. Admittedly she did have a hugemungous crush on Marten even back then, but I didn't get the feeling that he reciprocated.
Can you blame me for assuming it was a love story, or at worst... a love triangle story?
holy fuck 17 pages
there were like four the last time I checked
Yes, and if you haven't read EVERY SINGLE POST in them, you're either a worthless sack of beans who needs shootin', but ain't worth the bullet, or a paragon of virtue who leaves green grass in your footsteps (which really weirds people out on the dance floor). there is no middle ground or other possibility.
While Jeph might go onto the forums, I'm convinced he's avoiding this thread.
For time management reasons, if nothing else
holy fuck 17 pages
there were like four the last time I checked
Yes, and if you haven't read EVERY SINGLE POST in them, you're either a worthless sack of beans who needs shootin', but ain't worth the bullet, or a paragon of virtue who leaves green grass in your footsteps (which really weirds people out on the dance floor). there is no middle ground or other possibility.
I plead the paragonth.
@ Parasol - That is the most hilarious signature I have read in a long time. I literally LOL'd and almost never do that. Thank you.
That is all, everything else that can be said pretty much already has been.
I like Dora, but I would rather see her with Tai. I think their attitudes would sync a lot better. Plus I am naturally biased toward lesbian couples in my entertainment media.
Exactly. I think this is what it feels like when you begin to move on from a webcomic. XDCan you blame me for assuming it was a love story, or at worst... a love triangle story?
Well. I mean. It was.
It was all about Marten and Faye. For a really long time. Then it wasn't anymore. It grew to encompass the lives of more characters. And has for about the same length of really long time.
I really think you're out of luck, if you're hanging on Faye plus Marten. It'd be different if Faye hadn't gone through multiple story arcs of character development in the past thousand strips. I just cannot see her being with Marten at the drop of the hat, after the Angus makeouts and the whole Toto thing.Sure. I know that. I've been clear on that since the start of this discussion. There's a quote from a recent topic I think is relevant here.
Yeah, the preponderance of opinion & reason is clearly against Marten-Faye at this point, & has been for a few years...
But some little vestigial part of me always WANTED to see M&F together, and the primal reptile brain doesn't give up its desires just because other humans have convincing rational arguments.
Well. I mean. It was.
It was all about Marten and Faye. For a really long time. Then it wasn't anymore. It grew to encompass the lives of more characters. And has for about the same length of really long time.
I guess I can understand appreciating one single aspect of a comic. It is not why I like comics, or almost anything. E.g. why I generally don't like Disney.
You know, anymore.
I really think you're out of luck, if you're hanging on Faye plus Marten. It'd be different if Faye hadn't gone through multiple story arcs of character development in the past thousand strips. I just cannot see her being with Marten at the drop of the hat, after the Angus makeouts and the whole Toto thing.
I'm actually on the forums for the first time in MONTHS, mainly to shake my head in wonder at this thread. It's like a car accident and a space shuttle explosion are having sex with each other. :psyduck:
I don't think this is likely to happen, if it happens at all, until Jeph decides to end QC. Where would the story go from there? If this is indeed some great overarching goal, once it's been achieved, what is there left to tell? Only way I could see it happening is if something like Marten/Faye get together, and then move away or something, and now we have a new story to tell, and a new webcomic to tell it in. But I don't see how it could work in QC without making it not QC any more.Well. I mean. It was.
It was all about Marten and Faye. For a really long time. Then it wasn't anymore. It grew to encompass the lives of more characters. And has for about the same length of really long time.
I guess I can understand appreciating one single aspect of a comic. It is not why I like comics, or almost anything. E.g. why I generally don't like Disney.
You know, anymore.
I really think you're out of luck, if you're hanging on Faye plus Marten. It'd be different if Faye hadn't gone through multiple story arcs of character development in the past thousand strips. I just cannot see her being with Marten at the drop of the hat, after the Angus makeouts and the whole Toto thing.
QC was clearly an Unresolved Sexual Tension comic with some harem elements for about 500 strips before it became more about the heavy Relationship Drama. In the short term, it's not going toward Faye / Marten at all, but it will never get over the question of those two getting together. It can try but the very long arc built into the comic has been one of building toward an eventual Marten / Faye thing.
I don't say that because of whatever the current situation of Marten or Faye might have been. But I think there are important signs - Faye's panic attack at having tried to connect emotionally with Angus, Marten's choice to not really commit to Dora by having her move in with him and Faye - that really draw the outlines of them eventually getting together. If the comic is being written with an end in mind, I have to think that the ending would be Marten and Faye getting together. But the way things have gone, it would probably take hundreds of strips to maneuver things to the point where that could happen. I still think it could, because the end of Marten/Dora - if not in this arc, in another - will leave the door open, and I think that any other relationships they have are going to lose out to the two of them getting together.
My bad, I wasn't being clear. I mean that if you're looking for a reason to believe that Faye and Marten could happen any time soon, i.e. to maintain interest in the comic in the short term, I think you're out of luck. If someone is taking the long view, I could see maintaining interest in the comic for an extremely slow building of anticipation. Guess I can't relate to that sort of patience.
I'm really surprised when the main reason people read it isn't the humor. I guess that's another compliment to Jeph.
QC was clearly an Unresolved Sexual Tension comic with some harem elements for about 500 strips before it became more about the heavy Relationship Drama. In the short term, it's not going toward Faye / Marten at all, but it will never get over the question of those two getting together. It can try but the very long arc built into the comic has been one of building toward an eventual Marten / Faye thing.
I don't say that because of whatever the current situation of Marten or Faye might have been. But I think there are important signs - Faye's panic attack at having tried to connect emotionally with Angus, Marten's choice to not really commit to Dora by having her move in with him and Faye - that really draw the outlines of them eventually getting together. If the comic is being written with an end in mind, I have to think that the ending would be Marten and Faye getting together. But the way things have gone, it would probably take hundreds of strips to maneuver things to the point where that could happen. I still think it could, because the end of Marten/Dora - if not in this arc, in another - will leave the door open, and I think that any other relationships they have are going to lose out to the two of them getting together.
You’re all fools… heroic fools. The brave are always the first to die.*Follows Tergon into the melee wielding his uwn UBMEOD*
WE FIGHT AS ONE, AKRONNICK!
FOR THE ORDER OF THE DICKBROOM! FOR THE PREVENTING OF A FIFTY-PAGE THREAD THIS WEEK! FOR GLORY AND FOR FAITH IN JEPH!
CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE!
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It makes a sort of wet flapping sound, it's really quite unpleasant.
....I have heard the word of Tergon, and seen his noble deeds before...Yet I forsook that path, for the ways of spite and bile at shippers, and "Dora is a bitch no matter what she does" folk...
...And now I see him, fighting against the horde though it be fifteen pages strong! Resplendent is his turkey, and mighty his multiplicitous phallic cleaning implement!
And I am shamed. I have been wrong. There is still faith in Jeph. We may hold that much.
TERGON! AKRONNICK! If you would have this fool's UBMEOD...it is yours!
Fights are never fun, but as I keep repeating, I'm hoping they'll talk to each other and we get some real backstory.
Yes this! I really wa--
OMG what if we get ... Flashbacks!! Adorable high school gothette Dora and college dissatisfaction-with-goth-life Dora! (wait did she go to college I don't remember) with cameo with Original Goth Raven~! And we see all her shitty relationships with the Alpha Goth Assholes.
DO EET JEPH
You know you wanna draw teenage Dora.
I don't think this is likely to happen, if it happens at all, until Jeph decides to end QC. Where would the story go from there? If this is indeed some great overarching goal, once it's been achieved, what is there left to tell? Only way I could see it happening is if something like Marten/Faye get together, and then move away or something, and now we have a new story to tell, and a new webcomic to tell it in. But I don't see how it could work in QC without making it not QC any more.
.... he should just get drunk with her, then gently but firmly rub her up against a wall by her wrists and start kissing and dry humping her while whispering in her ear about how much he likes her, sexually as well as a friend. Though at first she might be disconcerted or disorientated it's important he never stop - Marten is passive by nature but if he apologises and walks away it will just add to Faye's abandonment issues as she'll feel that her crying or screaming for him to stop has pushed him away. Unfortunately I don't think Marten has the willpower to do this ... really, what he needs is a good friend who would help him out by lacing his drink with cocaine or some other aggressant that would allow him to really let his inhibitions go and confess his feelings, but I don't think any are up to it :-(
I don't think this is likely to happen, if it happens at all, until Jeph decides to end QC. Where would the story go from there? If this is indeed some great overarching goal, once it's been achieved, what is there left to tell? Only way I could see it happening is if something like Marten/Faye get together, and then move away or something, and now we have a new story to tell, and a new webcomic to tell it in. But I don't see how it could work in QC without making it not QC any more.
Well, yeah, and I agree. That's the problem with hanging your hat on Unresolved Sexual Tension between characters: once you resolve it, you can no longer tell that story, and if Jeph brought them together it would have to be at the very end (or the comic would jump the shark so hard it'd leave teeth marks). I just feel like the storyline is moving back toward the Faye/Marten UST, as part of a long arc away from it that brought us Marten/Dora and the weirder Faye/Angus side trek. The thing is, Jeph is pretty blatantly moving toward a resolution of the Marten/Dora era and the only way I would see the comic going after that is to pick back up on the Faye/Marten possibilities. Anything else would be, well, Marten dating Cousin Oliver.
I don't think this is likely to happen, if it happens at all, until Jeph decides to end QC. Where would the story go from there? If this is indeed some great overarching goal, once it's been achieved, what is there left to tell? Only way I could see it happening is if something like Marten/Faye get together, and then move away or something, and now we have a new story to tell, and a new webcomic to tell it in. But I don't see how it could work in QC without making it not QC any more.
Well, yeah, and I agree. That's the problem with hanging your hat on Unresolved Sexual Tension between characters: once you resolve it, you can no longer tell that story, and if Jeph brought them together it would have to be at the very end (or the comic would jump the shark so hard it'd leave teeth marks). I just feel like the storyline is moving back toward the Faye/Marten UST, as part of a long arc away from it that brought us Marten/Dora and the weirder Faye/Angus side trek. The thing is, Jeph is pretty blatantly moving toward a resolution of the Marten/Dora era and the only way I would see the comic going after that is to pick back up on the Faye/Marten possibilities. Anything else would be, well, Marten dating Cousin Oliver.
emergency bourbon! yes, lady!
Dora and Marten break up. Dora then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus, which really "riles Faye up."
Of course, this is totally unlike what I was eventually expecting, which was Marten and Dora getting married, and Dora insisting on being the flower girl at her own wedding.
I agree with all four points. My previous post was merely outlining the only way I felt that that particular plot twist would be resolved in a way that made any kind of sense. Not that I believed the original proposal had a snowball's chance in hell of happening :roll:I don't think this is likely to happen, if it happens at all, until Jeph decides to end QC. Where would the story go from there? If this is indeed some great overarching goal, once it's been achieved, what is there left to tell? Only way I could see it happening is if something like Marten/Faye get together, and then move away or something, and now we have a new story to tell, and a new webcomic to tell it in. But I don't see how it could work in QC without making it not QC any more.
Well, yeah, and I agree. That's the problem with hanging your hat on Unresolved Sexual Tension between characters: once you resolve it, you can no longer tell that story, and if Jeph brought them together it would have to be at the very end (or the comic would jump the shark so hard it'd leave teeth marks). I just feel like the storyline is moving back toward the Faye/Marten UST, as part of a long arc away from it that brought us Marten/Dora and the weirder Faye/Angus side trek. The thing is, Jeph is pretty blatantly moving toward a resolution of the Marten/Dora era and the only way I would see the comic going after that is to pick back up on the Faye/Marten possibilities. Anything else would be, well, Marten dating Cousin Oliver.
As one of the "God Dora is being a bitch, Marten doesn't need a relationship like THAT" posters, I've got to say I think you're orbiting the Moon if you think that
A. This is "blatantly" the end of the Marten/Dora era. Given Jeph's previous drama arcs, this will most likely lead to character development for all. I cannot imagine him having them break up without giving Dora a chance to actually work on her issues and stop being the hideous snappy bitch she's been for the past X number of comics.
B. This is some kind of slow progression to a Faye/Marten lovefest. Why do I say this? Because guess what, people change a lot in 1 year (which I believe is the rough Marten/Dora timeline so far?) and it's entirely possible that one or both of the Marten/Faye "I wuv you but I can't" pairing has, you know, moved on to the point at which they don't see the other as a romantic option. Further, I think it would be a moment of spectacular pointlessness to have bothered to introduce Angus at all if that were really any kind of destination point.
C. Jeph has any kind of overall end in mind.
D. You think that Faye/Marten will be the new focus point, given that the regular important cast list has grown so much.
Just my opinions, and if you disagree I challenge you to a duel to the death with UBMEOD's. :psyduck:
Dora and Marten break up. Dora then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus, which really "riles Faye up."
Of course, this is totally unlike what I was eventually expecting, which was Marten and Dora getting married, and Dora insisting on being the flower girl at her own wedding.
I read this as 'Marten then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus', which would be hella entertaining, especially if it worked.
I can just see Marigold suffering from life-threatening nasal blood loss.
Dora and Marten break up. Dora then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus, which really "riles Faye up."
Of course, this is totally unlike what I was eventually expecting, which was Marten and Dora getting married, and Dora insisting on being the flower girl at her own wedding.
I read this as 'Marten then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus', which would be hella entertaining, especially if it worked.
I can just see Marigold suffering from life-threatening nasal blood loss.
Then Dora becomes a fetish Porn actress, thus bringing things full circle...
.... he should just get drunk with her, then gently but firmly rub her up against a wall by her wrists and start kissing and dry humping her while whispering in her ear about how much he likes her, sexually as well as a friend. Though at first she might be disconcerted or disorientated it's important he never stop - Marten is passive by nature but if he apologises and walks away it will just add to Faye's abandonment issues as she'll feel that her crying or screaming for him to stop has pushed him away. Unfortunately I don't think Marten has the willpower to do this ... really, what he needs is a good friend who would help him out by lacing his drink with cocaine or some other aggressant that would allow him to really let his inhibitions go and confess his feelings, but I don't think any are up to it :-(
Goddamn. Just write a fanfic
I'm actually on the forums for the first time in MONTHS, mainly to shake my head in wonder at this thread. It's like a car accident and a space shuttle explosion are having sex with each other.
As one of the "God Dora is being a bitch, Marten doesn't need a relationship like THAT" posters, I've got to say I think you're orbiting the Moon if you think that
A. This is "blatantly" the end of the Marten/Dora era. Given Jeph's previous drama arcs, this will most likely lead to character development for all. I cannot imagine him having them break up without giving Dora a chance to actually work on her issues and stop being the hideous snappy bitch she's been for the past X number of comics.
B. This is some kind of slow progression to a Faye/Marten lovefest. Why do I say this? Because guess what, people change a lot in 1 year (which I believe is the rough Marten/Dora timeline so far?) and it's entirely possible that one or both of the Marten/Faye "I wuv you but I can't" pairing has, you know, moved on to the point at which they don't see the other as a romantic option. Further, I think it would be a moment of spectacular pointlessness to have bothered to introduce Angus at all if that were really any kind of destination point.
C. Jeph has any kind of overall end in mind.
That's the problem with hanging your hat on Unresolved Sexual Tension between characters: once you resolve it, you can no longer tell that story, and if Jeph brought them together it would have to be at the very end (or the comic would jump the shark so hard it'd leave teeth marks). I just feel like the storyline is moving back toward the Faye/Marten UST, as part of a long arc away from it that brought us Marten/Dora and the weirder Faye/Angus side trek. The thing is, Jeph is pretty blatantly moving toward a resolution of the Marten/Dora era and the only way I would see the comic going after that is to pick back up on the Faye/Marten possibilities. Anything else would be, well, Marten dating Cousin Oliver.For what it's worth, I'd settle for UST between Marten and Faye. I appreciate that a resolution to that situation tends to be the end of the good part of the story. I just don't want either of them being 'resolved' with someone else. See... while I quoted the maxim earlier, I don't believe in "love the one you're with".
*Looks back at the thread she has slogged through, and ahead at the brave, brave regiment before her*
*Silently takes up her dickbroom, tears in her eyes*
I would join you, gentlemen, if you will have me.
Quote from: JephI'm actually on the forums for the first time in MONTHS, mainly to shake my head in wonder at this thread. It's like a car accident and a space shuttle explosion are having sex with each other.
And from the word of the almighty himself I draw.....MY NEW SIGNATURE! *lightning crashes*
C. Jeph has any kind of overall end in mind.I agree wholeheartedly on that point
D. You think that Faye/Marten will be the new focus point, given that the regular important cast list has grown so much.Sadly, I must agree on this too, which is why I find myself questioning my desire to continue reading. For now I'm just questioning it though, I've not arrived at the point where I'm sure I want to quit. Which is why I'm posting here... to see if any more concrete idea of my interest in the strip emerges.
Long time reader, first time poster...
Kinda felt like I needed to say something, because I've always liked the Marten-Dora pairing, and I guess I'm sort of weird, because I want to see them stay together. I have to agree with others, though, in saying that if they get back together after this without some definite changes in behavior, the whole storyline is going to become grossly overused and stagnant. This whole thing had an air of finality to it anyhow.
That being said, I also think that Dora's apology could have been a little more humble. And now, Marten's bitter and speaking about Dora in a nasty, angry way we haven't heard before, and my Spidey Senses tell me it's all over. How sad.
I do think that everyone is being kind of harsh on Dora, almost like you all have been holding back your irritation at her as much as Marten has. She's been out of line before, 100%.
I'm so with Marten on this, she's just getting annoying now and its not his fault that she barged into a door that he wanted shut. Of course, I'm surrounded by pushy, insistent women so my view may be jaded.
So why isn't Dora in therapy already?Because talking about it is one thing, and going in for it, another. It can be just as scary as going in for surgery.
She's considered it. She seen Faye grow impressively after doing it for herself.
FffffffffJust do it. Otherwise you'll stand out of the herd and be picked off.
there are posts on page 16 I want to respond to!
But this is not page 16. This is page 19. (No backread!)
Would that be bad form?
Is it possible to necro a discussion within it's own thread?
How big is this going to fucking get before I have a chance to also include my ultimately useless opinion? Does it make me a loser for the fact I am checking this -webcomic forum at work-?
And the most important question OF ALL TIMEYou must be kidding. That question pales before, say, what does a UBEMOD sound like as it strikes a foe?
Will people ever stop projecting their own lives / experiences / selves onto characters, in a blatant need for the characters to somehow redeem -their- past mistakes, and do what they themselves never did?
Cos like. Dudes.It has been said (in a guest strip) that Marten is Hipster Jesus
Marten is -not your avatar-.
He is not going to redeem you.
unless he is in fact Jesus
I could be wrong
Except you can get help with that. This is by far and away not a ruined relationship, and if you think it is, I have to wonder how many relationships you've just signed off on because you thought it was too far gone.
The thing is, I think the Marten / Dora relationship has unresolved issues that have become toxic and are harming things to the point where its continuation would mean that the comic would be heading toward a really, really dark place. I don't just think Dora's being a bitch and Marten should DTMFA (but seriously he should DTMFA), it's getting to the point of really harming the people. Jeph has been modestly emotionally realistic up to this point, and I can't believe he will allow a fairytale ending to this rough patch. If they just make up for the time being, it will just mean another big fight in the near future, and to be blunt from a dramatic aspect I don't think that the comic could take it. It'd make much more sense from the story angle to just have them permanently break things off.
No, Faye made it clear it would be a long time before Faye was with anyone. She grew as a person to the point where she could be with someone. She is.
Faye made clear that it was going to take a long time for a Faye / Marten lovefest to be possible. But more with the next point.
Why? Why is that natural at all? That sounds like a bullshit quote from "How To Write A Simplistic and Predictable Webcomic That's Nothing Like Real Life."
I think it has to go there long term, that's just the story structure of a harem comic. Marten will get together with Faye at the end. There will be a TON of distractions, as I said I think it's a long and angsty road, but unless QC is a massive exercise in deconstruction "the end" when it comes, would naturally be a Faye / Marten pairing.
:psyduck:
Indeed and like you I liked it, but it seems to have been shoved off a cliff in a horrible way to bring back Marten/Faye, rather than a more organic destruction.
Except you can get help with that. This is by far and away not a ruined relationship, and if you think it is, I have to wonder how many relationships you've just signed off on because you thought it was too far gone.
MarkCorrigan takes his webcomics seriously.
Chill out, dude. Your tone is a little rough. You straight up internet-yellin'.
Um, because bourbon is delicious. And who said anything about drinking the cheapest thing you can find? Gross. Plus, isn't rum for kids? To train them how to like alcohol because it's as sweet as kool-aid?emergency bourbon! yes, lady!
What's all this devotion to Emergency Bourbon? Why not Emergency Rum? I can't even get bourbon where I live, but rum is cheap and way plentiful.
I bet what we call Rooster Wash is every bit as vile as Midnight Hobo. And it used to be unbelievably cheap, but with inflation and all . . .
MarkCorrigan takes his webcomics seriously.Not really. If Jeph decided to stop writing tomorrow I would be mildly upset and I'd move past it.
Chill out, dude. Your tone is a little rough. You straight up internet-yellin'.
MarkCorrigan takes his webcomics seriously.
Chill out, dude. Your tone is a little rough. You straight up internet-yellin'.
Not really. If Jeph decided to stop writing tomorrow I would be mildly upset and I'd move to the next webcomic/anime/fandom.
And to turn that around, if you think that this isn't a ruined relationship, I have to wonder how many abusive, unhealthy relationships you've suffered in because you thought it could be saved.
Naw, the penis is out and laying on the metaphorical table for all to see, but that's not dickslappery in the slightest.
No one has offered this suggestion, so I'll go ahead and do it.
Maybe Dora hasn't gotten her butt into therapy because she can't afford it.
None. I'm in my first relationship
None. I'm in my first relationship
Well, as much as I like your style, you just lost all credibility to speak on relationships as a group (vs. specific tactics or guidelines).
The question remains, though.. is that a metaphorical dick on the table, or, perhaps... a metaphorical Useless Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?
BTW, someone needs to draw that.
I want Marten/Faye to happen just because of the sea of tears it would trigger. They would be delicious. They would taste so very delicious.
No one has offered this suggestion, so I'll go ahead and do it.
Maybe Dora hasn't gotten her butt into therapy because she can't afford it.
She's a private business owner with no prior trouble paying the bills. I'd say she might be able to pencil it in somewhere.
Nope. Don't enjoy most Anime, read two other webcomics, one of which isn't even story based, and I'm not a fanboy for anything else. Possible exception of films. I get quite invested in my opinions of films, good or bad. Not really fandom though, because I don't obsess over films, or assume some films are how films should be made (obvious artistic talent aside, Transmorphers was never going to be The Godfather afterall).MarkCorrigan takes his webcomics seriously.
Chill out, dude. Your tone is a little rough. You straight up internet-yellin'.
And people thought I was bad.Not really. If Jeph decided to stop writing tomorrow I would be mildly upset and I'd move to the next webcomic/anime/fandom.
I feel sorry for Faye.Wow. Wasn't expecting this.
Having the couple you share a flat with argue is bad enough.
When one is your boss and the other is somebody you had feelings for is only going to make it worse.
I know its also unpleasant for Dora and Marten but its their mess and they have something to gain/lose.
Faye is right in the middle but just has to watch what happens.
Of course the real reason this thread is so long is everyone wants to use the :psyduck:
8-)
Why? It's not like I'm 16. I accept that I'm not schooled in the fine art of being in various relationships, but honestly, I'm not exactly in an easy lovey-dovey it's all going to be sunshine and flowers oh wait now Im bored" relationship.None. I'm in my first relationship
Well, as much as I like your style, you just lost all credibility to speak on relationships as a group (vs. specific tactics or guidelines).
The question remains, though.. is that a metaphorical dick on the table, or, perhaps... a metaphorical Useless Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?
BTW, someone needs to draw that.
:?8-)
Why? It's not like I'm 16. I accept that I'm not schooled in the fine art of being in various relationships, but honestly, I'm not exactly in an easy lovey-dovey it's all going to be sunshine and flowers oh wait now Im bored" relationship.None. I'm in my first relationship
Well, as much as I like your style, you just lost all credibility to speak on relationships as a group (vs. specific tactics or guidelines).
The question remains, though.. is that a metaphorical dick on the table, or, perhaps... a metaphorical Useless Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?
BTW, someone needs to draw that.
I'm sure if I do end up in other relationships I may get knowledge of different types, but honestly, if this is a failed relationship I'd be surprised. Not if it fails, but if it's an absolutely no going back failed relationship.
From what Ive seen of other couples I've spent a long time around, dynamics where one person is insecure and loses their shit can be rectified if the couple work at it. Hell, the relationship I'm in? We're BOTH insecure about some things. We've worked on them and while we still both slip up, we aren't fretting all the time because we talked it out, we thought things over, and we're happy. Maybe I'm still naive but hey, if this is going to be number #1 in a string of relationships, I'm learning a lot from it.
:?8-)
I want Marten/Faye to happen just because of the sea of tears it would trigger. They would be delicious. They would taste so very delicious.
Dora ends up as a hobo under a bridge, blowing bums to get the lozenges she needs to stand outside Marten's apartment, shrieking at him for every little thing he does every day.
Hannelore goes on to invent the cure to cancer. But she can't do anything with it because ew.
Tai goes on to star in a harem show written by Marigold.
And Angus moves on and follows his true calling - performing as the Lord of the Dance! :mrgreen:
:wink::?8-)
:roll:
:psyduck:
:psyduck:
You win 1 internets.
I'm only half argumentative asshole. I think that's a good compromise. :-P:psyduck:
You win 1 internets.
I'm only half troll, mind... ;)
What's all this devotion to Emergency Bourbon? Why not Emergency Rum? I can't even get bourbon where I live, but rum is cheap and way plentiful.
I bet what we call Rooster Wash is every bit as vile as Midnight Hobo. And it used to be unbelievably cheap, but with inflation and all . . .
Um, because bourbon is delicious. And who said anything about drinking the cheapest thing you can find? Gross. Plus, isn't rum for kids? To train them how to like alcohol because it's as sweet as kool-aid?
I really think this is just going to end up with inevitable Marten/Steve hook up that's been hinted at for so long.
Except you can get help with that. This is by far and away not a ruined relationship, and if you think it is, I have to wonder how many relationships you've just signed off on because you thought it was too far gone.None, this is not personal. The Marten / Dora relationship as it has developed has been one that's got an extremely unhealthy dynamic - and honestly I don't see the characters as being willing to salvage it.
She isn't going to leave Angus for Marten, and this isn't a long game Faye/Marten ship. You're projecting your fantasies onto the webcomic and reading what isn't there.I'm not projecting anything - my fantasies have nothing to do with Faye and Marten, trust me. I'm just trying to present some analysis based on story structure, and I see this comic as being structured in a way that the long-term tendency will be toward a Marten / Faye thing. This idea that everyone is just personalizing everything is silly.
Why? Why is that natural at all? That sounds like a bullshit quote from "How To Write A Simplistic and Predictable Webcomic That's Nothing Like Real Life.":psyduck:
You assume that this is a harem webcomic. Whatever that is, I'm sure it isn't one since it's an ensemble piece, and secondly even if it WAS a harem comic, why must it end that way? Why must all things be pigeon-holed to fit neat little boxes? Guess what, Jeph, and I hesitate to proclaim what our supreme overlord is thinking, tends to go for a realistic comedy/drama plot with fantastical elements. Just because two people were attracted at one point doesn't mean they will end up together. Real life isn't like a happy wondrous fairytale where "true love" conquers all. True love doesn't exist. There isn't one person for everyone and they will find them in the end. Love. Is. Hard. It won't fall together like a neat little puzzle just because you and a stream of hacks who write "Harem comics".
Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Eva fan?
It isn't relevant to anything, but... that's the only place I personally ever heard that expression used.
Having a dramatic structure that means you can outright state that this comic is going to end with X is pretty much the work of a hack, actually. It shows lack of creativity, lack of interest, and only a passable effort. Cookie-cutter stories aren't good. Ever.Except you can get help with that. This is by far and away not a ruined relationship, and if you think it is, I have to wonder how many relationships you've just signed off on because you thought it was too far gone.None, this is not personal. The Marten / Dora relationship as it has developed has been one that's got an extremely unhealthy dynamic - and honestly I don't see the characters as being willing to salvage it.QuoteShe isn't going to leave Angus for Marten, and this isn't a long game Faye/Marten ship. You're projecting your fantasies onto the webcomic and reading what isn't there.I'm not projecting anything - my fantasies have nothing to do with Faye and Marten, trust me. I'm just trying to present some analysis based on story structure, and I see this comic as being structured in a way that the long-term tendency will be toward a Marten / Faye thing. This idea that everyone is just personalizing everything is silly.QuoteWhy? Why is that natural at all? That sounds like a bullshit quote from "How To Write A Simplistic and Predictable Webcomic That's Nothing Like Real Life.":psyduck:
You assume that this is a harem webcomic. Whatever that is, I'm sure it isn't one since it's an ensemble piece, and secondly even if it WAS a harem comic, why must it end that way? Why must all things be pigeon-holed to fit neat little boxes? Guess what, Jeph, and I hesitate to proclaim what our supreme overlord is thinking, tends to go for a realistic comedy/drama plot with fantastical elements. Just because two people were attracted at one point doesn't mean they will end up together. Real life isn't like a happy wondrous fairytale where "true love" conquers all. True love doesn't exist. There isn't one person for everyone and they will find them in the end. Love. Is. Hard. It won't fall together like a neat little puzzle just because you and a stream of hacks who write "Harem comics".
This is just over the top. Having a dramatic structure, even one in common with many anime and manga that have a harem structure, is not a sign of a "hack" and this kind of insult is ridiculous.
Really. Y'all haven't read through the archives, have you?Angus is a professional strawman. He goes to debates and loses on purpouse.Really now? Or are you just having a laugh at ol' Soluzar's expense, here?
It's really more a form of activism, because he's only debating for causes he's really against.
Psychoanalysis is not a topic of interest to me. In any event, while you may be better educated than me... I was right. That was the source of his usage of the phrase. I do however admit that Schopenhauer would probably be interesting.Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Eva fan?
It isn't relevant to anything, but... that's the only place I personally ever heard that expression used.
Schopenhauer? Freud?...
*throws hands up in disgust*
None. I'm in my first relationshipThe question remains, though.. is that a metaphorical dick on the table, or, perhaps... a metaphorical Useless Broom Made Entirely of Dicks?
BTW,someone needs to draw thatthat must never, ever be drawn.
Dora and Marten break up. Dora then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus, which really "riles Faye up."
Of course, this is totally unlike what I was eventually expecting, which was Marten and Dora getting married, and Dora insisting on being the flower girl at her own wedding.
I read this as 'Marten then rebounds by attempting to seduce Angus', which would be hella entertaining, especially if it worked.
Psychoanalysis is not a topic of interest to me. In any event, while you may be better educated than me... I was right. That was the source of his usage of the phrase. I do however admit that Schopenhauer would probably be interesting.Not as urgently as Dora needs to learn that the Hedgehog's Dilemma never works out well for anyone.I could be way off the mark here, because for all I know that phrase could be in everything I haven't seen or read...
Eva fan?
It isn't relevant to anything, but... that's the only place I personally ever heard that expression used.
Schopenhauer? Freud?...
*throws hands up in disgust*
It was mostly mock disgust. I just can't stand Eva... (well, not actually, i think it was decent, and could have been much better had it actually been finished instead of running out of cash, I just hate its fanboys (and no, I really do understand it, I've seen ever episode and all the movies pre reboot movies (which I'm waiting on those to be done, because they actually DO look really good) probably 8 or 9 times... I'm not sure why I watched something I consider at most decent so many times...))You may relax. I am not the fanboy you're looking for. Maybe I was once, but those days are long gone. It isn't even a favourite of mine... although I did enjoy it.
Tergon:
I think some perspective needs to be gotten here. :psyduck:
More seriously, I don't think people are necessarily pushing some weird ideas - it's just that Jeph has cranked the drama up to 11 and the story's really pushing buttons for people. Honestly, at least for my part if I seem to be pushing some huge Marten / Faye agenda, I was not opposed to continued Marten / Dora up until this current arc. I liked when Marten and Dora got together, and during the underpants fight I wanted them to make up. But now it seems different in a really negative way, which is some kind of weird testament to how Jeph has drawn some really compelling characters.
Anyways, once the INTENSE DRAMA of the current arc finally gets resolved, I think things should calm down on all fronts.
I can summarize Tergon's post in two sentences:
Everyone shut the fuck up.
All your opinions are retarded, mine is right.
nice!
Someone ought to draw a Knight of the Dickbroom, riding a turkey. It would be epic.
And if there is anyone out there, anyone at all who actually decides they have some faith in QC being a decent comic and Jeph being a decent writer, then I beg of you one thing.What do we do if we agree with everything in your post but are hesitant to get involved in dickbroomery?
Grab a UBMEOD, stand with me, and try to knock some fucking sense into this shitstorm of a thread until the trolls decide to go back to wherever they fucking came from.
And if there is anyone out there, anyone at all who actually decides they have some faith in QC being a decent comic and Jeph being a decent writer, then I beg of you one thing.What do we do if we agree with everything in your post but are hesitant to get involved in dickbroomery?
Grab a UBMEOD, stand with me, and try to knock some fucking sense into this shitstorm of a thread until the trolls decide to go back to wherever they fucking came from.
I can summarize Tergon's post in two sentences:
Everyone shut the fuck up.
All your opinions are retarded, mine is right.
nice!
How much y'all wanna bet the uStream feed will be down again?
How much y'all wanna bet the uStream feed will be down again?look at the twitter feed, he didn't stream from ustream, he streamed from justin.tv. He's already finished and said he'd post after finishing his movie night or something.
But Tergon, your incredibly long posts are written in an effort to change the opinions of those who present them in an untoward fashion. You're essentially saying that they're not quite getting it. You present your views on the comic and tell them to proceed with that in mind. And if they can't, then they should stfu.
Wiregeek's got a small point.
Also, since we've transitioned to Turkey Cavalry, we'll need infantry support, and you can arm yourself with whatever you wish, as long as it's useless if you're squeamish about handling a UBMEOD.
Oh, I like you.Well, your avatar creeps me right the hell out, but I like you too.
P.S. My dickbroom is on hold until everyone knows me a little better.Same here.
Tergon, I read your post in the voice of Gene Wilder. And it was awesome
And the most important question OF ALL TIMEYou must be kidding. That question pales before, say, what does a UBEMOD sound like as it strikes a foe?
Will people ever stop projecting their own lives / experiences / selves onto characters, in a blatant need for the characters to somehow redeem -their- past mistakes, and do what they themselves never did?
And the most important question OF ALL TIMEYou must be kidding. That question pales before, say, what does a UBEMOD sound like as it strikes a foe?
Will people ever stop projecting their own lives / experiences / selves onto characters, in a blatant need for the characters to somehow redeem -their- past mistakes, and do what they themselves never did?
Fap
FapAnd the most important question OF ALL TIMEYou must be kidding. That question pales before, say, what does a UBEMOD sound like as it strikes a foe?
Will people ever stop projecting their own lives / experiences / selves onto characters, in a blatant need for the characters to somehow redeem -their- past mistakes, and do what they themselves never did?
Out of (morbid) curiosity, what color are the UBMEODs everyone's wielding?
Or is it even possible for them to possess colors as we know it, defying euclidean geometry as they do?
The Order of the Dickbroom accepts all comers, so long as you uphold the tenants of our faith.*grabs UBMEOD*
Trust in Jeph, for he has not lead us wrong before.
Trust in your fellows, for they stand beside you.
Tempt not the Trolls, for they know not what they do, nor how to perform basic logic.
And the highest command: Be not a dick, for that is why you wield your Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks.
The day may come when people can share opinions without flamewars erupting. The day may come when we all are willing to let the story of QC be told without the Rabid Fanboy Horde spraying their foul secretions from every orifice all over the forum. The day may come when the people acknowledge that Lord Jaques knows what he's doing and we should all trust him a little.
The day may come when the Order of the Dickbroom may be laid to rest.
Until that day, my brethren... WE RIDE.
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It makes a sort of wetflappingfapping sound, it's really quite unpleasant.
I must admit at times I feel a little silly for caring about these characters so much, because they aren't real, but then I remember it's no different to being attached to characters in a book or T.V show and I don't feel so silly.Indeed. <–– More literate way of saying "This".
And if there is anyone out there, anyone at all who actually decides they have some faith in QC being a decent comic and Jeph being a decent writer, then I beg of you one thing.I will follow where you lead, my Lord of the Order of the Dickbroom. FORWARD TO DEFEND AGAINST THE FANBOY LEGIONS! CHARRRRRGE!
Grab a UBMEOD, stand with me, and try to knock some fucking sense into this shitstorm of a thread until the trolls decide to go back to wherever they fucking came from.
P.S. My dickbroom is on hold until everyone knows me a little better.Same here.
Again, if you have an opinion, that is completely fine. If you'd like to see something happen in QC and feel like sharing that idea, wonderful. If you feel that a certain development isn't what you like, you are totally welcome to share that opinion. I like opinions, honestly I do.
But, if you're one of the people who posts only to share the opinion that everyone else's opinion is retarded and you are right... and there have been a lot of those people posting in this thread... then I have only one thing to say to you.
If it matters to anyone, I actually do want Dora and Marten to stick together. The only place where couples never fight is in Disney movies and fanfiction, that's just a fact.
If we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships.
I must admit at times I feel a little silly for caring about these characters so much, because they aren't real, but then I remember it's no different to being attached to characters in a book or T.V show and I don't feel so silly.Indeed. <–– More literate way of saying "This".
Where did you got the dicks from which to build all these brooms? On second thoughts, I don't think I want to know. This thread > TL:DR.
See, when I coined the Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks, it wasn't to annoy people who I disagreed with. Of course I have hopes for where the comic will go, and things I'd like to see happen. Everyone does and there's no harm in that. The point of the UBMEOD is to beat people over the head who forget that they do not control the story, not everyone wants exactly what they want, and that they need to calm down and wipe some of the fanboy-rage-induced froth from their lips.
Quote from: Tergon
Oh. Eek.
You're just as bad as everyone else. And that's okay! But it probably makes it even more pointless to pen novellas attempting to persuade people not to express their opinions so forcefully on the interwebs.
Quote from: Tergon
Oh. Eek.
You're just as bad as everyone else. And that's okay! But it probably makes it even more pointless to pen novellas attempting to persuade people not to express their opinions so forcefully on the interwebs.
I do believe you are missing Tergon's point, which (as far as I could tell) was not for people to stop having opinions, but for them to stop shouting "I think that my idea (usually completely unrealistic fantasy) for this and that character to get together TOMORROW/BY THE END OF THE WEEK as a result of the current story arc is HOW IT SHOULD BE, and ANYONE who thinks OTHERWISE is WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!!"
Useless Broom Made Entirely of Dicks ... actually not useless?Then it's Unuseless but still sharing the same acronym.
Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships.
(p.s. How did this UBMEOD thing start anyway?)
While I'm aware that arguing against fanboy paranoia is like trying to hold back the ocean with a broom made entirely of dicks, I'd point out that Marten cannot be using the same yardstick to test his relationship with Dora. Why? Because he HAS NO GODDAMN IDEA WHAT FAYE WAS TALKING ABOUT. He then promptly asked his girlfriend a confusing cryptic question, and the sleepy lady in focus responded that she dislikes toto and was grumpy at being woken up for that. In other words, a perfectly reasonable situation with a perfectly reasonable response, even with Marten's reaction of feeling a bit sad at being grumped at.
THIS IS ALL PERFECTLY RATIONAL AND SENSIBLE.
That being said, fanboy paranoia is what it is and this is gonna snowball. And this is Jeph writing, who just loves him some hella-hella drama. Therefore, I cast aside my useless dick-broom, and I let the ocean come.
Therefore, I cast aside my useless dick-broom, and I let the ocean come.
Best sentence written in the English language.
Ever.
Quote from: Tergon
Oh. Eek.
You're just as bad as everyone else. And that's okay! But it probably makes it even more pointless to pen novellas attempting to persuade people not to express their opinions so forcefully on the interwebs.
I do believe you are missing Tergon's point, which (as far as I could tell) was not for people to stop having opinions, but for them to stop shouting "I think that my idea (usually completely unrealistic fantasy) for this and that character to get together TOMORROW/BY THE END OF THE WEEK as a result of the current story arc is HOW IT SHOULD BE, and ANYONE who thinks OTHERWISE is WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!!"
I got the point, I put it more mildly and concisely. Case of the lazies.
Quote from: TergonAgain, if you have an opinion, that is completely fine. If you'd like to see something happen in QC and feel like sharing that idea, wonderful. If you feel that a certain development isn't what you like, you are totally welcome to share that opinion. I like opinions, honestly I do.
But, if you're one of the people who posts only to share the opinion that everyone else's opinion is retarded and you are right... and there have been a lot of those people posting in this thread... then I have only one thing to say to you.
Ahem.Quote from: TergonIf it matters to anyone, I actually do want Dora and Marten to stick together. The only place where couples never fight is in Disney movies and fanfiction, that's just a fact.
Okay, that's not really much.
Quote from: TergonIf we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships.
Oh. Eek.
You're just as bad as everyone else. And that's okay! But it probably makes it even more pointless to pen novellas attempting to persuade people not to express their opinions so forcefully on the interwebs.
Now, I do want to address the "know fuck-all about relationships" comment. Yes, it's naive to think couples never fight. It is also naive to think that love conquers all or that two people who have feelings for one another will find a way to be compatible. Or whatever reason drove you to make that comment. Will they break up and would that be the best for both or either of them in the long run? I dunno. But my opinion is that it would be wise. They bring out the worst in each other. Marten's lack of assertiveness allows Dora to put off dealing with her insecurities and leads her to become manipulative, whether it was her intention or not (and I don't believe it was). A more assertive person would also be able to actively provide more assurance to Dora. Marten just goes with the flow. Dora needs more than that. Marten needs a girl who is less emotionally dependent on him and won't let him bury all his negative feelings for the sake of smoothing things over. Their flaws cause both of them to act in a way that enables the other one's flaws. It's possible they could work on it together, but they've both let it go on so long that it may be harder than a clean break would be. It's unfortunate to invest so much in a relationship only to find out much later that you and your partner have some serious incompatibilities, especially when you are still in love with them. It's much easier to find those things out sooner. But real life's not that kind, why should the comic be?
Then I posted this:Therefore, I cast aside my useless dick-broom, and I let the ocean come.
Best sentence written in the English language.
Ever.
And it pretty much just snowballed from there.
Quote from: Tergon
Oh. Eek.
You're just as bad as everyone else. And that's okay! But it probably makes it even more pointless to pen novellas attempting to persuade people not to express their opinions so forcefully on the interwebs.
I do believe you are missing Tergon's point, which (as far as I could tell) was not for people to stop having opinions, but for them to stop shouting "I think that my idea (usually completely unrealistic fantasy) for this and that character to get together TOMORROW/BY THE END OF THE WEEK as a result of the current story arc is HOW IT SHOULD BE, and ANYONE who thinks OTHERWISE is WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!!"
I got the point, I put it more mildly and concisely. Case of the lazies.
There is a difference between posing a forceful opinion (however unrealistic it may be), and doing so while saying that everyone else's opinion is moot. I'm not saying that you do this, I'm just reiterating the second half of the point, which I don't think is covered by putting the word forcefully in bold (: But again, that's just my opinion (:
Well, that comment kind of relies on the one that follows it - they don't HAVE to be reasonable. In between the camps that say "They will always get over things and love each other" and "They fought so they have to break up" is the fact that people fight all the time and they do recover from it. Or, sometimes, they don't and they break up.
The "reasonable" thing to do is to sit down and discuss things and talk it over. Because - and I say this in full awareness of my own bias, but it's still true - they do love each other. They need to resolve the issue, and the Disney solution I hinted at would be that they can overcome this and be strong and loving and everything will be wonderful.
But like I noted immediately after saying this, people aren't reasonable. They get emotional, and they say hurtful things, and they make decisions they later regret. Perhaps more importantly, they also make decisions in the heat of the moment that were very much the right decision. Marten and Dora will do what they will do, and they don't have to be reasonable about it. That was what inspired my comment - and someone who expects a Disney solution isn't being realistic. But, at the same time, someone who thinks that either of them can simply "Turn Off" their feelings for each other is equally unrealistic. It just doesn't work that way.
So I guess, yes, I'm a bit of a hypocrite, and in some ways I am just as bad as everyone else. But if it's worth anything... I at least cop to that freely, and I do try to direct my rants in a neutral direction. Maybe it doesn't always work, but hey, I'm trying.
The Order of the Dickbroom accepts all comers, so long as you uphold the tenants of our faith.
Trust in Jeph, for he has not lead us wrong before.
Trust in your fellows, for they stand beside you.
Tempt not the Trolls, for they know not what they do, nor how to perform basic logic.
And the highest command: Be not a dick, for that is why you wield your Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks.
The day may come when people can share opinions without flamewars erupting. The day may come when we all are willing to let the story of QC be told without the Rabid Fanboy Horde spraying their foul secretions from every orifice all over the forum. The day may come when the people acknowledge that Lord Jaques knows what he's doing and we should all trust him a little.
The day may come when the Order of the Dickbroom may be laid to rest.
Until that day, my brethren... WE RIDE.
Since everyone else is sharing their humble (and not so humble opinions) I'm going to put on my prognosticator hat. I predict the following to happen:
1. Dora gets some much needed perspective from Sven
2. Marten goes to talk to Dora at Sven's
3. Sven leaves to let them talk and goes to Coffee of Doom
4. Dora tells Marten she knows she isn't being fair to him and is making him unhappy because she can't be the person he need and breaks up with him much to his shock and sadness.
5. Sven finds Faye drunk off her fine fine ass.
6. Sven starts drinking too.
7. They start talking and end up kissing.
8. Everyone gets a pantload of angst
9. The boards catch fire from everyone's furious typing, yelling and fapping.
10. Hanners does something cute and everyone gets healed by the power of her cuteness.
So sayeth Madame Moppet!
I've never, EVER been a Dora-hater.
Until now.
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
Honestly I think this is for the best. For the both of them.I disagree. I know a lot of people have been saying that Marten and Dora don't have any kind of real connection, or that they aren't really in love, or whatever, and I disagree with that, but even if that was true, that's not why they broke up. They broke up because Dora's issues won't let her trust Marten enough for the relationship to work. Which makes it all the more painful to watch honestly. Knowing that it could've worked, in other circumstances, since Dora's issues aren't something you can blame her for. And they still might get back together, if Dora gets counselling, works through her issues. I wouldn't hold our breaths tho.
They're not kids, where a relationship can work simply on the initial animal attraction and first-date fireworks. As good friends as they can be, they've never really shown any genuine "Connection" that a couple in love should. They just happen to have fun, and find each other mutually attractive. But thats not always enough.
It's pretty sad, but it's probably better for the both of them. They need to be with people that they truly feel comfortable with, and WANT to be with from the get go without hesitation. Their relationship, when you really think about it, is based on Martin not wanting to be single, and Dora liking Martin, but happening to also think he's hot. But that's rarely the right recipe for a strong relationship.
I hope Jeph allows them to learn and grow from this.
I've never, EVER been a Dora-hater.
Until now.
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
Huh.
Still rings a bit to me of Dora saying, "Deep down, I'm still afraid you'll hurt me, so I've got to do this to protect myself."
I hope that Marten lets this happen, but also really encourages her to look into getting some help for starting to get over this rut she seems to be spinning in.
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
Okay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
Honestly I think Martin has abandonment issues when it comes to girlfriends. Remember what he went through with his last one? All the crap he put up with in HOPES of being with Faye?
He has security issues, and it seems like he really will put up with just about any shit in order to not be alone. That's not healthy. Dora might be doing him a favor by forcing him to realize this (Hopefully) and really evaluate what sort of relationship he wants out of life.
....This is painful to watch. Jesus. Oh my God. But it's also...It works.
Beautiful work, Jeph.Okay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:
PLEASE BE RIGHT :psyduck:
A friend of mine suggested that Dora and Sven go to a bar and pick up the same chickOkay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:PLEASE BE RIGHT :psyduck:
Quote from: iduguphergrave link=topic=25347.msg979130#msg979130date=1290058953I've never, EVER been a Dora-hater.
Until now.
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.Huh.I have to disagree. It sounded to me like she was admitting it was all in her head. That nothing he had said or done caused it, but on the flip side, nothing he could say or do could change it. I think she was admitting fault and was breaking up with him because she thought it was the best thing to do given the crappy options. I don't HATE Dora, but I don't like her, either. I wouldn't normally be prone to giving her the benefit of the doubt.
Still rings a bit to me of Dora saying, "Deep down, I'm still afraid you'll hurt me, so I've got to do this to protect myself."
I hope that Marten lets this happen, but also really encourages her to look into getting some help for starting to get over this rut she seems to be spinning in.
So, they're breaking up - but at least it's not over the goddamn porn.
Works for me!
I wonder, though: if Marten waits a few months, and then tries to get Dora back, might that convince her that Marten really does want HER, and that it's not about settling?
It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her.
....This is painful to watch. Jesus. Oh my God. But it's also...It works.
Beautiful work, Jeph.Okay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:
PLEASE BE RIGHT :psyduck:
I AM THIRDING THIS. AS LONG AS DORA DOESN'T FIND OUT, THEN IT'S AWWWRIGHT.
I'm not sure if I need to wield the dick broom or not.
Okay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:
There may have not been an initial spark for Marten when his relationship with Dora began, but a lot of time has passed between then and now, and I think you could say that she made him love her. So in her own words, yeah, maybe she should have waited a little longer to pounce on him after The Talk, and maybe she should have thought a little harder about her issues before suggesting they live together.
I'm not sure how my quote coincided with this? I certainly wasn't trying to spin any Dora hate. Just saying, from my perspective, Dora is just afraid of being hurt, so she is preventing that option from happening. Maybe she also realizes this is all in her head, and maybe she also realizes that, right now, she and Marten maybe can't have a good, healthy relationship and she's giving him the option to step away, but I'm not one hundred percent sure she has made those realizations.
Also, I'm changing my mind. I hope Marten stands up to this, at least a little bit. Judging by his expression, he's clearly been blindsided by this, and clearly wasn't expecting this. I hope he at least questions Dora a bit on this and doesn't totally blindly accept it. If nothing else, he should totally explain one more time to Dora that he is in love with her, not Faye, and that he's really sorry that she cannot accept that and that he hopes that one day, after getting therapy and working on her issues, she may be able to be with someone and trust that person when he or she tells Dora that he or she loves her.
There may have not been an initial spark for Marten when his relationship with Dora began, but a lot of time has passed between then and now, and I think you could say that she made him love her. So in her own words, yeah, maybe she should have waited a little longer to pounce on him after The Talk, and maybe she should have thought a little harder about her issues before suggesting they live together.
So maybe it should be pointed out to Dora that she sort of tried to fastforward this relationship through all the major things that "are supposed" to happen in serious, long term relationships, without really laying the foundation for what helps keep said relationships solid during storms like this?
I'm not sure how my quote coincided with this? I certainly wasn't trying to spin any Dora hate. Just saying, from my perspective, Dora is just afraid of being hurt, so she is preventing that option from happening. Maybe she also realizes this is all in her head, and maybe she also realizes that, right now, she and Marten maybe can't have a good, healthy relationship and she's giving him the option to step away, but I'm not one hundred percent sure she has made those realizations.I probably should have replied separately. Sorry about that. What I was trying to get at was that I think the rational side of Dora's brain know that Marten has never hurt her and likely never would. But she can't suppress the irrational fears. So, I don't see her preventing some future painful scenario so much as acknowledging that her unfounded insecurities that she can't force away are making them both unhappy.
Also, I'm changing my mind. I hope Marten stands up to this, at least a little bit. Judging by his expression, he's clearly been blindsided by this, and clearly wasn't expecting this. I hope he at least questions Dora a bit on this and doesn't totally blindly accept it. If nothing else, he should totally explain one more time to Dora that he is in love with her, not Faye, and that he's really sorry that she cannot accept that and that he hopes that one day, after getting therapy and working on her issues, she may be able to be with someone and trust that person when he or she tells Dora that he or she loves her.
....This is painful to watch. Jesus. Oh my God. But it's also...It works.
Beautiful work, Jeph.Okay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:
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I AM THIRDING THIS. AS LONG AS DORA DOESN'T FIND OUT, THEN IT'S AWWWRIGHT.
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Yes. And I think maybe a certain curvy brunette is just the person to point that out to her. But then again once Faye finds out about this I'm sure she'll have a lot to say to Dora. With her death glare. And fists. And the broadsword.There may have not been an initial spark for Marten when his relationship with Dora began, but a lot of time has passed between then and now, and I think you could say that she made him love her. So in her own words, yeah, maybe she should have waited a little longer to pounce on him after The Talk, and maybe she should have thought a little harder about her issues before suggesting they live together.So maybe it should be pointed out to Dora that she sort of tried to fastforward this relationship through all the major things that "are supposed" to happen in serious, long term relationships, without really laying the foundation for what helps keep said relationships solid during storms like this?
There may have not been an initial spark for Marten when his relationship with Dora began, but a lot of time has passed between then and now, and I think you could say that she made him love her. So in her own words, yeah, maybe she should have waited a little longer to pounce on him after The Talk, and maybe she should have thought a little harder about her issues before suggesting they live together.
*sigh* I'm just mad because this is really going to hurt Marten and he doesn't deserve this bullshit.
Honestly I don't think that Dora had really been really loving Marten all this time. If a relationship has no value for her to stand for it and work things out, it's because she's not really all that interested for Marten. I mean, they may have been great friends if she hadn't thrown herself to him that night.Since this was one of the 17 new replies that had been posted while I was typing, I wanted to comment.
Ahh, I see what you're saying now. Thank you for clearing that up for me! :-)
You know, I think it really is very likely it's a mixture of both of our theories...
I've never, EVER been a Dora-hater.She knows that. It doesn't make a difference, its an irrational fear. That's why she broke off the relationship, she found out she can't control it.
Until now.
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
I probably should have replied separately. Sorry about that. What I was trying to get at was that I think the rational side of Dora's brain know that Marten has never hurt her and likely never would. But she can't suppress the irrational fears. So, I don't see her preventing some future painful scenario so much as acknowledging that her unfounded insecurities that she can't force away are making them both unhappy.This puts what I'm trying to say far better than I can.
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
Where. Is. My. Goddamn. DORA-BACKSTORY?!?!?!?
As much as Dora likes to pride herself on her "relationship experience"
I dunno though. Given that she is blaming this (sort of, in an indirect sort of way) on Faye, I'm not sure Faye is the one to point it out. Sven still is probably a better option, given his influence on her insecurities. I still think that Hanners would be a good person for Dora to talk to as well. As much as Dora likes to pride herself on her "relationship experience", I think Hanners can give really good, rational advice that Dora might need (though whether she would accept it from Hanners is a different side to the story.)
Ahh, I see what you're saying now. Thank you for clearing that up for me! :-):)
You know, I think it really is very likely it's a mixture of both of our theories...
You're probably right. Like I said, I don't like Dora. But I want to, so I may be seeing more progress than is actually there.
Maybe one of these days, Dora will let him get a word in edgewise...
...but by the time she does, he'll probably just say "fuck it".
Thirded!Where. Is. My. Goddamn. DORA-BACKSTORY?!?!?!?
I know, Right!
Agree with not treating the root causes, however I don't think she's even really tried treating symptoms. She's just buried them like Marten buries everything that bothers him, she just blows up about them first.As much as Dora likes to pride herself on her "relationship experience"
What relationship experience?
She served as a doormat for a grab bag of alpha-goths, then when she finally gets together with a guy who actually gives a shit about her she throws that away because of assumptions and irrational fears.
What gets me is she hadn't put any effort into actually dealing with the root cause of her insecurities, only treating the symptoms.
Stick a fork in this relationship. It's done. Moving on...
I could see Marten lying in a pool of blood with a bullet in his brain, but it isn't very likely.
He probably won't even bother to say it - by then he'll be long gone.
personal experience, there.
I could see Marten lying in a pool of blood with a bullet in his brain, but it isn't very likely.
The question is, who put it there?
Lady, if he wasn't happy with you he wouldn't be trying to patch things up, and he certainly wouldn't be tearing up now that you've dumped him. It's great that Dora admits what the problem is, but rather than let them work on it together, she'd rather lose the one guy who's NEVER been an asshole to her. Way to go. Bitch.
Man, I saw this coming, but I really didn't think it would make me this mad. Marten's stricken look in the last two panels is just agonizing. For the first time I seriously want to slap Dora.
Seriously? This? This is where you call her a bitch? Dora just did a very good thing here. She looked at their relationship calmly, realized it wasn't working, hasn't worked in some time, and in general doesn't seem to be able to work in the future, and has decided that it's better to get out now while they haven't messed each other up more.
Marten is being... a spineless idiot with a devotion complex, as someone else put it. He shouldn't be all doe-eyed stricken, he should realize Dora is right. Hell, he's the one who's been shown to be the more dissatisfied one in the relationship! Dora has been shown to be quite head over heels for him, but jealous and insecure (with all that at least partly stemming from just how much into him she was). He's the one who's been shown having doubts about their relationship and their ultimate compatibility for ages now. So he's clinging to it... why? Dora isn't being a bitch, she's doing him a favor, because apparently he has no balls and can't bring himself to end a relationship that obviously isn't working and isn't healthy and doesn't make him happy the way a working relationship should. I have no respect for people who stay in shitty relationships because they can't bring themselves to deal with being single.
I dunno though. Given that she is blaming this (sort of, in an indirect sort of way) on Faye, I'm not sure Faye is the one to point it out. Sven still is probably a better option, given his influence on her insecurities. I still think that Hanners would be a good person for Dora to talk to as well. As much as Dora likes to pride herself on her "relationship experience", I think Hanners can give really good, rational advice that Dora might need (though whether she would accept it from Hanners is a different side to the story.)
Faye was the source of angst for the underpants fight too, but her tongue-lashing of Dora is what caused her to see reason. I don't see Faye holding back talking to Dora about this just because it turns out she's got a part in it; it will just increase her disdain for Dora.
Having said that, I'm not at all against a good talk between her and Sven. And I'd also be happy with some Hanners-intervention.
Well I certainly never said it was good relationship experience, just that Dora prided herself on her own. I based that off of this comic (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1682).As much as Dora likes to pride herself on her "relationship experience"
What relationship experience?
Maybe one of these days, Dora will let him get a word in edgewise...
...but by the time she does, he'll probably just say "fuck it".
The only downside to this is you know it won't fucking stick. Things'll be in dramabomb land for awhile, Faye will tit-punch Dora, drag her to the shrink, and make her get her head worked out.
Then everything will go back to how it was.
That's how things go in this comic.
holy balls, how _is_ Faye going to handle this?
Dora's life could be in danger from something other than her own hand...
I could see Faye quitting. I could see Dora firing her.
I could see Marten lying in a pool of blood with a bullet in his brain, but it isn't very likely.
Oh, Jeph, you magnificent bastard!
Yes .... pleasepleaseplease no Marten/Faye ... it would reek of a bad Lifetime movie like you dog in the newsposts from Faye and Dora's girly-movie nights. .... Though, admittedly, I would kinda like to see an Angus-Faye-Sven love triangle ... She DID break Sven, after all ... But back to Dora and Marten .... bleargh!! She just went total bitch on the one guy who didn't treat her like shit ... If she was real ... I'd totally wanna smack her. Hell ... I wanna smack her anyway. Have Faye smack her! Or Cosette, or Raven! Have somebody smack her! I never disliked Dora so much as I do right now.
.... I'd make a new line, but I can't ... Any tips on fixing a possibly fried laptop key? Please educate me ... And, going into more though, this is true .... My daughter's father did something similar ... eerily similar, but our catalyst wasn't a fight over someone's porn .... And our social circle kinda turned into .... a labyrinthian maze. Poor Marten, and kinda poor Dora ... Damn you, Jeph, you and your believable characters!!Yes .... pleasepleaseplease no Marten/Faye ... it would reek of a bad Lifetime movie like you dog in the newsposts from Faye and Dora's girly-movie nights. .... Though, admittedly, I would kinda like to see an Angus-Faye-Sven love triangle ... She DID break Sven, after all ... But back to Dora and Marten .... bleargh!! She just went total bitch on the one guy who didn't treat her like shit ... If she was real ... I'd totally wanna smack her. Hell ... I wanna smack her anyway. Have Faye smack her! Or Cosette, or Raven! Have somebody smack her! I never disliked Dora so much as I do right now.
It seems that's the way it usually goes, though and it makes me sad. If this holds true to life, I fully expect Dora's circle of friends to crumble around her.
And with tonight's comic, Dora Bianchi's reign of terror is over.
To all those saying Marten should see this as a good thing, I ask this....
Have any of you truly flat out been in love before? Really? Cause if you have then you may have realized that letting go of something you love out of nowhere really takes the fucking wind out of your sails, especially when you think you can fix it? He's not being spineless, he's being human.
This isn't a mutual break up. This isn't two people falling out of love. One clearly is still in love because he's clearly there. You don't wade through shit and risk a potential shit storm for no reason.
Wow, I just gained massive amounts of respect for Dora here. She didn't burst into tears and say, "OMG I HATE YOU WHY DO YOU TREAT ME TERRIBLY" or yell at him or anything (okay, maybe earlier, but things get blown out of proportion when you're arguing) she said, "I don't think this is fair to either of us". She ended it because she's insecure, and she knows it. She's come to realize that she can't do this with Marten, and it's not fair to him or her. She's not making up some BS excuse about it, but being honest as to the reason it's not working. And what's even better, is the fact that she still likes him as a person.
That...makes me like Dora a whole lot more than I have for a while.
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:-o Okay, maybe that isn't the right one, since I expected/hoped for this. Maybe :| Nope, not quite it. Fuck it, I'm going with the duck :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
...Wow.
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Ahahahahah! This is true ... one guy earlier had "36 posts" while he was typing ... Funny ... But sad as hell ... *does Christopher Walkin* MOAR PSYDUCK!! :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck::-o Okay, maybe that isn't the right one, since I expected/hoped for this. Maybe :| Nope, not quite it. Fuck it, I'm going with the duck :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
...Wow.
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There is no evil in bringing more psyduck to this thread.
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:-o Okay, maybe that isn't the right one, since I expected/hoped for this. Maybe :| Nope, not quite it. Fuck it, I'm going with the duck :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
...Wow.
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There is no evil in bringing more psyduck to this thread.
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It's definitely not the best thing she could have done, I'll agree. It would have been better for her to stick around and get therapy, something I think would help her a lot. However, she's certainly acting a lot more reasonable on this point than she has in arguments in the past, even ten to fifteen minutes ago or however long ago the argument started. I think she's being honest to an extent, and I respect her for that because I know a lot of people who just won't open up in that way.Wow, I just gained massive amounts of respect for Dora here. She didn't burst into tears and say, "OMG I HATE YOU WHY DO YOU TREAT ME TERRIBLY" or yell at him or anything (okay, maybe earlier, but things get blown out of proportion when you're arguing) she said, "I don't think this is fair to either of us". She ended it because she's insecure, and she knows it. She's come to realize that she can't do this with Marten, and it's not fair to him or her. She's not making up some BS excuse about it, but being honest as to the reason it's not working. And what's even better, is the fact that she still likes him as a person.
That...makes me like Dora a whole lot more than I have for a while.
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I'm inclined to...both agree and disagree. I don't believe she's being entirely honest; the Faye thing isn't entirely an artifice, but it's not really why she wants to call it quits. She wants to do that because it is at this point the easier thing to do, the thing all her instincts are screaming at her to do. If they break up she can't hurt him anymore, right? If they break up she doesn't have to change as a person. If they break up at least her insecurities won't be on him. It's better this way, her brain soothes her.
This is not necessarily true. Easy options are rarely the right choice.
Edit:
Yay, 666 posts. :-)
To all those saying Marten should see this as a good thing, I ask this....
Have any of you truly flat out been in love before? Really? Cause if you have then you may have realized that letting go of something you love out of nowhere really takes the fucking wind out of your sails, especially when you think you can fix it? He's not being spineless, he's being human.
This isn't a mutual break up. This isn't two people falling out of love. One clearly is still in love because he's clearly there. You don't wade through shit and risk a potential shit storm for no reason.
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:-o Okay, maybe that isn't the right one, since I expected/hoped for this. Maybe :| Nope, not quite it. Fuck it, I'm going with the duck :psyduck:
...Wow.
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There is no evil in bringing more psyduck to this thread.
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It's all good, Moar Psyduck!!!!! :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
Friday Predict?
At the apartment. Faye is there waiting when Marten walks in. She asks if everything is ok. No response. She asks again. He simply walks past her to his room. Before shutting the door he says one line, emotionally drained.
"I'm going to bed....and then I'm going home."
Door closes. FUCKING CLIFFHANGER FOR A WEEK!
MARRY ME! *giggle*:psyduck: So :psyduck: can :psyduck:we :psyduck: posibly :psyduck: make :psyduck: a thread :psyduck: dedicated :psyduck: soley to :psyduck: MOAR PSYDUCK? :psyduck: :psyduck: Just wonderin' ... Happy Psyduck Random Dancing! :psyduck::-o Okay, maybe that isn't the right one, since I expected/hoped for this. Maybe :| Nope, not quite it. Fuck it, I'm going with the duck :psyduck:
...Wow.
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There is no evil in bringing more psyduck to this thread.
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It's all good, Moar Psyduck!!!!! :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
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Oh Lord.
Friday Predict?
At the apartment. Faye is there waiting when Marten walks in. She asks if everything is ok. No response. She asks again. He simply walks past her to his room. Before shutting the door he says one line, emotionally drained.
"I'm going to bed....and then I'm going home."
Door closes. FUCKING CLIFFHANGER FOR A WEEK!
Maybe, maybe not, but there's definitely going to be a cliffhanger. Jeph loves to torment us. :-D
Can't wait for the fallout, don't pull the rug out from under us Jeph.
I already made my party thread.
Friday Predict?
At the apartment. Faye is there waiting when Marten walks in. She asks if everything is ok. No response. She asks again. He simply walks past her to his room. Before shutting the door he says one line, emotionally drained.
"I'm going to bed....and then I'm going home."
Door closes. FUCKING CLIFFHANGER FOR A WEEK!
Maybe, maybe not, but there's definitely going to be a cliffhanger. Jeph loves to torment us. :-D
It's what makes the most sense. Know what sucks more than getting dumped? Seeing the person who dumped you because you have nearly the exact same social circle. Marten has Steve, and that's iffy now due to his current flame working with Dora, and besides, he doesn't seem the type to make people choose between him and Dora, so I see him taking a sabbatical for a while to clear his head and let things cool down a bit.
Someone before me (or a bunch of someones) said that this was Dora's subconscious mind taking the easy way out, or some such thing, and I agree. Ending the relationship is, for Dora, the LEAST painful option: it means she doesn't have to dig through her insecurities and work on them, which would be far harder and more agonizing than losing the first "nice guy" she's ever had. It also leaves her free to continue along her past path of miserable relationships, unhindered. Counter-intuitive as it seems, self-destructive behavior perpetuates itself - why do so many people end up in one abusive relationship after another? It's what they've come to expect: it's familiar, it's comfortable. Finding psychic health and balance, THAT is hard. And dangerous. And means letting down the barriers, letting people in, and risking having them hurt you again. No, better to find the asshole bastard who you KNOW is going to hurt you; at least then, you know what to expect.
Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything. :-D
ps: to the folks who said stuff like, Whoa, awesome first post, waaaaay back there in the thread: *blush* thanks. Sorry I can't live up to that eloquence at the moment; I'm kind of fried right now...
No, Dora fucking moved in so she could purposely try to catch Marty macking on Faye.
The underpants incident was what she had been WAITING for.
No, Dora fucking moved in so she could purposely try to catch Marty macking on Faye.
The underpants incident was what she had been WAITING for.
I actually intended to keep up with this thread and am on page 17 now. Screw you guys :(lol
Ending the relationship is, for Dora, the LEAST painful option: it means she doesn't have to dig through her insecurities and work on them, which would be far harder and more agonizing than losing the first "nice guy" she's ever had. It also leaves her free to continue along her past path of miserable relationships, unhindered. Counter-intuitive as it seems, self-destructive behavior perpetuates itself - why do so many people end up in one abusive relationship after another? It's what they've come to expect: it's familiar, it's comfortable. Finding psychic health and balance, THAT is hard. And dangerous. And means letting down the barriers, letting people in, and risking having them hurt you again. No, better to find the asshole bastard who you KNOW is going to hurt you; at least then, you know what to expect.
(http://b.imagehost.org/0595/breakup.jpg) (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25383.0.html)Poor guy does look like he just got hit in the stomach with a four-by-twelve ... BTW woohoo 13 posts!! ... I truly have no life.
Click for link to party thread.No, Dora fucking moved in so she could purposely try to catch Marty macking on Faye.
The underpants incident was what she had been WAITING for.
I don't normally agree with anime fans, but you hit the nail on the head. 2 points.
Dear Jeph,Wow, that kind of makes me what to cry. I'm sorry, dude. My condolences.
You suck. Not for QC, that is totally awesome. I read many webcomics, and none update with the frequency you do, at the high level of you've achieved. Seriously the difference between Comic 1 and Comic 1700+ ....wo.
No you suck because my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did. Super-mech-ultra-Optimus Prime SAD FACE :cry:
And no not because we RP QC in an unhealthy way. Unrelated reasons...but still! :cry:
Also, Dora is wearing Sven's hoodie. :-P
Dear Jeph,
You suck. Not for QC, that is totally awesome. I read many webcomics, and none update with the frequency you do, at the high level of you've achieved. Seriously the difference between Comic 1 and Comic 1700+ ....wo.
No you suck because my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did. Super-mech-ultra-Optimus Prime SAD FACE :cry:
And no not because we RP QC in an unhealthy way. Unrelated reasons...but still! :cry:
Dear Jeph,
You suck. Not for QC, that is totally awesome. I read many webcomics, and none update with the frequency you do, at the high level of you've achieved. Seriously the difference between Comic 1 and Comic 1700+ ....wo.
No you suck because my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did. Super-mech-ultra-Optimus Prime SAD FACE :cry:
And no not because we RP QC in an unhealthy way. Unrelated reasons...but still! :cry:
So, it should be somewhere around the beginning of the year that Dora realizes she's pregnant?:-o Out of my head!!
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So, it should be somewhere around the beginning of the year that Dora realizes she's pregnant?
:psyduck:
my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did.
You can't let things get awkward, you can't turn into a mopey wiener, and you can't MOVE BACK HOME.
Besides, Pintsize would spend the whole trip home singing Crazy Train.
So, it should be somewhere around the beginning of the year that Dora realizes she's pregnant?
:psyduck:
(http://b.imagehost.org/0595/breakup.jpg) (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25383.0.html)Poor guy does look like he just got hit in the stomach with a four-by-twelve ...
Click for link to party thread.No, Dora fucking moved in so she could purposely try to catch Marty macking on Faye.
The underpants incident was what she had been WAITING for.
I don't normally agree with anime fans, but you hit the nail on the head. 2 points.
So, it should be somewhere around the beginning of the year that Dora realizes she's pregnant?
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Dear Jeph,Damn, dude. That bites. If it makes you feel any better I just got the "It's not you, it's me" thing from my old man. Jeph, you write great comics ... But life-timing ... blows. :|
You suck. Not for QC, that is totally awesome. I read many webcomics, and none update with the frequency you do, at the high level of you've achieved. Seriously the difference between Comic 1 and Comic 1700+ ....wo.
No you suck because my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did. Super-mech-ultra-Optimus Prime SAD FACE :cry:
And no not because we RP QC in an unhealthy way. Unrelated reasons...but still! :cry:
Dear Jeph,
You suck. Not for QC, that is totally awesome. I read many webcomics, and none update with the frequency you do, at the high level of you've achieved. Seriously the difference between Comic 1 and Comic 1700+ ....wo.
No you suck because my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did. Super-mech-ultra-Optimus Prime SAD FACE :cry:
And no not because we RP QC in an unhealthy way. Unrelated reasons...but still! :cry:
Dear Jeph,
You suck. Not for QC, that is totally awesome. I read many webcomics, and none update with the frequency you do, at the high level of you've achieved. Seriously the difference between Comic 1 and Comic 1700+ ....wo.
No you suck because my girlfriend and I split up today...like an hour after Marten and Dora did. Super-mech-ultra-Optimus Prime SAD FACE :cry:
And no not because we RP QC in an unhealthy way. Unrelated reasons...but still! :cry:
Everything will be ok.
Hanner won't get into anything physical with Marten, unless her dad invents a body sized condom.
Everything will be ok.
Not when everyone finds out who's baby it really is.
...
Remember how Dora and Hanners were speaking in eldritch-tongue a while ago?
Yeah.
Expect tentacles.
A baby does two things in a webcomic like this.
1) CAD.
2) It's the final thing that happens.
i am making an anti dora shirt as week speak
HERPA DERPA DOO
Wow....I can't really say anything more than that
i am merely stating my opinons which just so happen to be fact. if you are so blind that u cant see the truth thne i feel deeply sorry for u
i am merely stating my opinons which just so happen to be fact. if you are so blind that u cant see the truth thne i feel deeply sorry for u
Gee .. too bad there aren't any nearby bridges so we could hide the trolls.
eyosgkxb is obvs the only other INTELLIGANT person posting on this board right now...i'm very saddened by the state of affairs :cry:
I think Dora expects Marten to continue making an effort at this point to "fix" things, even after throwing this wrench into the works.What gives you that impression? I'd agree with you for pre-1799, but now I think it's fairly clear-cut that she genuinely wants to end it.
I'm guessing she will be unpleasantly surprised.
This is true. Now, I go to bed. I look forward to catching up tomorrow after the next comic is posted. Chaos is imminent!Gee .. too bad there aren't any nearby bridges so we could hide the trolls.
Don't feed them, its that simple. You ignore bullies growing up, you ignore trolls in the internet. :roll:
eyosgkxb is obvs the only other INTELLIGANT person posting on this board right now...i'm very saddened by the state of affairs :cry:
That's why Manners is meant to be. Ahem.
eyosgkxb is obvs the only other INTELLIGANT person posting on this board right now...i'm very saddened by the state of affairs :cry:
Did you....did you make a dummy account just to make yourself feel good eyosgkxb? Is....is that what this is? I think that's what this is. That's what it looks like. If I could smell things over the interwebs I would say that's what this smells like, but that would be silly. If cons have warned me of anything, it's that if you could smell the internet it would probably be banned by the CDC due to life threatening stench.
Also, is it funny to point out that you misspelled intelligent? Can I do that? That's sorta ironic enough yeah? I'm gonna do it anyways.
You misspelled intelligent. OH THE IRONY. OH THE PSYDUCK!
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I hope your next month's worth of strips is Marigold and Hannelore doing cute things
:-D I am laughing so very much right now, you have no idea. This is exactly what I needed to cheer me up from Marten's sadface.
is it funny to point out that you misspelled intelligent? Can I do that? That's sorta ironic enough yeah? I'm gonna do it anyways.
You misspelled intelligent. OH THE IRONY. OH THE PSYDUCK!
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:-D I am laughing so very much right now, you have no idea. This is exactly what I needed to cheer me up from Marten's sadface.
Marten's sadface made your face sad?
Friday's strip:
Panel 1: Side view of Sad!Dora and Devastated!Marten, no dialogue.
Panel 2: Dora: "KIDDING! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA You should see your face right now!" No change to Devastated!Marten's expression.
Panel 3: Faye, coming in from off-screen: "Did he buy it?" Dora, looking up at her: "Hook, line, and sinker. Now pay up, you owe me $20." No change to Devastated!Marten's expression.
Panel 4: No dialogue; Marten seen from chest down walking offscreen as the blood pools around Faye and Dora's bodies.
Monday: KITTENS.
D
Marten's sadface made your face sad?
Marten's sadface made your face sad?
eyosgkxb is obvs the only other INTELLIGANT person posting on this board right now...i'm very saddened by the state of affairs :cry:Did you....did you make a dummy account just to make yourself feel good eyosgkxb? Is....is that what this is? I think that's what this is. That's what it looks like. If I could smell things over the interwebs I would say that's what this smells like, but that would be silly. If cons have warned me of anything, it's that if you could smell the internet it would probably be banned by the CDC due to life threatening stench.is it funny to point out that you misspelled intelligent? Can I do that? That's sorta ironic enough yeah? I'm gonna do it anyways.
Also,
You misspelled intelligent. OH THE IRONY. OH THE PSYDUCK!
:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
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is it funny to point out that you misspelled intelligent? Can I do that? That's sorta ironic enough yeah? I'm gonna do it anyways.
You misspelled intelligent. OH THE IRONY. OH THE PSYDUCK!
:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
edit: After reading some of the responses, I see that it appears to be less "Make another account to make my point seem more valid via mere peer agreement" and more creepy internet stalker/creepy person. Oops. Well, exclude the
Thank you for 2 things:
1. Awesome, completely awesome, going to put that in my sig because of...
2. can you buy me a new keyboard? i seem to have spewed doritos and pepsi throwback into mine...
... but I also would like to see him grow a spine in the other direction- tell her that she's not the one in charge of his feelings, and that he's setting up couples counseling. If she cares about him at all, she'll meet him there. And then walk away, until the appointment.I would applaud that. It would be healthy and good character development for Marten.
Indeed, and it's a G15 no less... fork over the cash please. :evil:
... but I also would like to see him grow a spine in the other direction- tell her that she's not the one in charge of his feelings, and that he's setting up couples counseling. If she cares about him at all, she'll meet him there. And then walk away, until the appointment.I would applaud that. It would be healthy and good character development for Marten.
And we have complete deterioration at 25 pages.
I don't really have a ship, just enjoying where Jeph takes us, but I've got no small amount of affection for Dora. This though- I have to agree that she's self sabotaging because it's easier than working through it. Part of me wants to see Marten tell her to get therapy before she destroys the next poor sap that falls for her, and walk away, but I also would like to see him grow a spine in the other direction- tell her that she's not the one in charge of his feelings, and that he's setting up couples counseling. If she cares about him at all, she'll meet him there. And then walk away, until the appointment.
Whatever happens- I'll be waiting for tomorrow night on pins and needles like everyone else.
I'd pick up a UBMED, but I'm a bit squeamish.
Best laugh of the day. I created an account just to say thanks.
I get a little too into the plot of a good story sometimes. It's a bad habit, I'm terrible when I get emotionally invested. Hell, I've gotten a lump in my throat at friggin' Pixar movies before.
or failure on Lindsey Lohan
I get a little too into the plot of a good story sometimes. It's a bad habit, I'm terrible when I get emotionally invested. Hell, I've gotten a lump in my throat at friggin' Pixar movies before.Bolt. I can't watch that movie without feeling indescribably sad for both Bolt and Mittens.
Or when Wall-E appears to have "died" so that they could help everyone find Earth again.Eh. That scene was too typical of Disney. They named the Disney Death, and I don't expect them to kill off one of their own characters with their record.
Wow, and here I was thinking I was the only one who was tearing up at this Pixar stuff.
Eh. That scene was too typical of Disney. They named the Disney Death, and I don't expect them to kill off one of their own characters with their record.
In short, (Stars forgive me for this pun), I think Dora's going to have an intersvention.
Am I alone in thinking that this isn't over? Everyone, and most especially all the 'shipper tribes, are so quick to jump on the bandwagon of Marten and Dora are over, but I'm not so sure...
For one thing, they're at Sven's, and he hasn't made an appearance yet. Now, we all know Sven as a notorious womanizer. We also know that Sven is Dora's big brother, and that he thinks that Marten's the best thing that's ever happened to Dora. And he's had his own personal Jiminy Intern conscience working on him lately. He's been off the main stage for a while, which means he could have been getting up to all kinds of personal growth, which we got to see some of in his date with Hannelore. This would be a great opportunity to show us how far he's really come along.
I think that Sven is going to enter this little drama with something like 'Now just a damn minute, little sister.' What's more, I think this will lead into the Dora backstory that has been getting hinted at for such a long time; I think that will be the cliffhanger. Something along the lines of 'Just a damn minute. I've seen this starting to fray at the seams for a while now, and he is too good for you to lose just because you can't face your old wounds.' We'll hear Dora protesting, too, because she actually thinks they weren't that bad ('I've had... well, they weren't the BEST, but I was YOUNG...). She knows what Sven is referring to, and has been avoiding admitting the mistakes she made because she didn't think very highly of herself back then. I think the last panel will be something like 'Remember (one of Dora's boyfriends names)?'
The bell hasn't rung, kids. The fat lady hasn't sung.
In short, (Stars forgive me for this pun), I think Dora's going to have an intersvention.
Wow, and here I was thinking I was the only one who was tearing up at this Pixar stuff.
No, we are all just a bunch of sappy blubbering messes. Also: "Goodbye, Clearance Puppy."
D
Am I alone in thinking that this isn't over? Everyone, and most especially all the 'shipper tribes, are so quick to jump on the bandwagon of Marten and Dora are over, but I'm not so sure...
For one thing, they're at Sven's, and he hasn't made an appearance yet. Now, we all know Sven as a notorious womanizer. We also know that Sven is Dora's big brother, and that he thinks that Marten's the best thing that's ever happened to Dora. And he's had his own personal Jiminy Intern conscience working on him lately. He's been off the main stage for a while, which means he could have been getting up to all kinds of personal growth, which we got to see some of in his date with Hannelore. This would be a great opportunity to show us how far he's really come along.
I think that Sven is going to enter this little drama with something like 'Now just a damn minute, little sister.' What's more, I think this will lead into the Dora backstory that has been getting hinted at for such a long time; I think that will be the cliffhanger. Something along the lines of 'Just a damn minute. I've seen this starting to fray at the seams for a while now, and he is too good for you to lose just because you can't face your old wounds.' We'll hear Dora protesting, too, because she actually thinks they weren't that bad ('I've had... well, they weren't the BEST, but I was YOUNG...). She knows what Sven is referring to, and has been avoiding admitting the mistakes she made because she didn't think very highly of herself back then. I think the last panel will be something like 'Remember (one of Dora's boyfriends names)?'
The bell hasn't rung, kids. The fat lady hasn't sung.
In short, (Stars forgive me for this pun), I think Dora's going to have an intersvention.
Seconded, if not for the jacket. That implies that he's already talked to her.
Am I alone in thinking that this isn't over? Everyone, and most especially all the 'shipper tribes, are so quick to jump on the bandwagon of Marten and Dora are over, but I'm not so sure...
For one thing, they're at Sven's, and he hasn't made an appearance yet. Now, we all know Sven as a notorious womanizer. We also know that Sven is Dora's big brother, and that he thinks that Marten's the best thing that's ever happened to Dora. And he's had his own personal Jiminy Intern conscience working on him lately. He's been off the main stage for a while, which means he could have been getting up to all kinds of personal growth, which we got to see some of in his date with Hannelore. This would be a great opportunity to show us how far he's really come along.
I think that Sven is going to enter this little drama with something like 'Now just a damn minute, little sister.' What's more, I think this will lead into the Dora backstory that has been getting hinted at for such a long time; I think that will be the cliffhanger. Something along the lines of 'Just a damn minute. I've seen this starting to fray at the seams for a while now, and he is too good for you to lose just because you can't face your old wounds.' We'll hear Dora protesting, too, because she actually thinks they weren't that bad ('I've had... well, they weren't the BEST, but I was YOUNG...). She knows what Sven is referring to, and has been avoiding admitting the mistakes she made because she didn't think very highly of herself back then. I think the last panel will be something like 'Remember (one of Dora's boyfriends names)?'
The bell hasn't rung, kids. The fat lady hasn't sung.
In short, (Stars forgive me for this pun), I think Dora's going to have an intersvention.
Seconded, if not for the jacket. That implies that he's already talked to her.
Prediction: Dora is fucked. She'll get shit from Sven about running away from her problems and being self-destructive
I only registered after reading this comic for three years to put 100 bucks on this prediction:
Dora and Marten will get back together at Henry's wedding.
This isn't my personal feelings about the relationship, I just see a good bet when I see one.
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What the fu-
Prediction: Dora is fucked. She'll get shit from Sven about running away from her problems and being self-destructive
As has been mentioned, the fact that she's wearing Sven's hoodie means one of three things-
1: They've ALREADY talked about this, he's consoled her and possibly even pushed her to end things
2: Dora's been ignoring boundaries again and sifted through Sven's hoodie closet/drawer
3: Dora goes through people's dirty laundry basket, where she got the hoodie.
I feel like I've said this before...
how do we know Dora doesnt actually own a white hoodie, only Sven is allowed to wear a white hoodie?
how do we know Dora doesnt actually own a white hoodie, only Sven is allowed to wear a white hoodie?
Prediction: Dora is fucked. She'll get shit from Sven about running away from her problems and being self-destructive
As has been mentioned, the fact that she's wearing Sven's hoodie means one of three things-
1: They've ALREADY talked about this, he's consoled her and possibly even pushed her to end things
2: Dora's been ignoring boundaries again and sifted through Sven's hoodie closet/drawer
3: Dora goes through people's dirty laundry basket, where she got the hoodie.
I feel like I've said this before...
I only registered after reading this comic for three years to put 100 bucks on this prediction:
Dora and Marten will get back together at Henry's wedding.
This isn't my personal feelings about the relationship, I just see a good bet when I see one.
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What the fu-
or as marten leaves, he pulls a ring box out of his pocket, tosses it to Dora and then walks out.
...that would shatter my mind. :psyduck:
Wow. Never saw this coming.
Immediately thought of this song...fits the situation perfectly, IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdlFKYd84 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdlFKYd84)
yup, and make her think about what she just threw away....that would shatter my mind. :psyduck:
Yeah, that would be absolutely devastating for Dora...
And make me lose a good deal of faith in Jeph as a writer. There's been no foreshadowing of Martin going for marriage, and the relationship hasn't been going long enough or smoothly enough to make matrimony viable.or as marten leaves, he pulls a ring box out of his pocket, tosses it to Dora and then walks out.
...that would shatter my mind. :psyduck:
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/cikilla/mk1kano.gif)or as marten leaves, he pulls a ring box out of his pocket, tosses it to Dora and then walks out.
...that would shatter my mind. :psyduck:
I'm one of the many newbies who decided to create an account purely for the purpose of posting here.
Unfortunately, I don't really have anything that useful, insightful, or entertaining to post. I mostly just wanted to say that I, like many others, have a lot of respect for Dora right now. Even if you take the view that she's avoiding confronting her problems, it still takes a lot of strength to essentially say "I'm too fucked up to make the people I love happy." Given that she knows, logically, that Marten is a good guy and treats her well, I'd bet this will have some long term effect on her. Maybe she /will/ confront her problems on her own.
Personally, I've had to deal with a lot of the same issues, and I find I got through them best when I didn't feel like there was someone sitting around waiting for me to get better, and getting hurt in the meantime. Maybe now that's she realized she's hurting a good person, she'll start to make progress.
Or not. Who knows? It'll be a fun ride no matter what.
yup, and make her think about what she just threw away....that would shatter my mind. :psyduck:
Yeah, that would be absolutely devastating for Dora...
Prediction: Dora is fucked. She'll get shit from Sven about running away from her problems and being self-destructive
As has been mentioned, the fact that she's wearing Sven's hoodie means one of three things-
1: They've ALREADY talked about this, he's consoled her and possibly even pushed her to end things
2: Dora's been ignoring boundaries again and sifted through Sven's hoodie closet/drawer
3: Dora goes through people's dirty laundry basket, where she got the hoodie.
I feel like I've said this before...
or
4: Dora walked in, said she's having a rough time and Sven went off to make/get some tea/coffee/alcohol before they sat down to talk about it.
5: Sven gave her some kind of ambiguous advice along the lines of "follow your heart" or "do what makes you happy" or even "you know what you have to do" (referring to therapy, but Dora takes it to mean ending things). He didn't think this is what she'd come up with.
6. There is no possibility number 6.
7. Dora owns her own hoodie.
8. Sven just got up to piss, conversation hasn't gone that far yet.
9. Sven just got up to feed the cat, conversation hasn't gone that far yet.
10. All other possibilities fitting the form "Sven just got up to x, conversation hasn't gone that far yet."
Seriously, it's Questionable Content. Take all your preconceived notions about how many different ways something could go and shred them to tiny bits and use them to insulate a winter coat because they'll be more useful there than in this conversation.
yup, and make her think about what she just threw away....that would shatter my mind. :psyduck:
Yeah, that would be absolutely devastating for Dora...
I had to join to throw this in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78U_6Q9cMWw
Just watch Dora's soul snap like a twix bar.
BTW, whoever referred to the storyline in Something Positive where Branwen and Davan broke up... yeah, I felt S_P lost a lot with that. I've never warmed to Vanessa (although I haven't stopped reading S_P either, well, not yet... but I wish something would goddamn HAPPEN there, and NOT something involving either Mike or Kharisma, so I'll probably be waiting until like 2013). But I don't think this breakup will stop QC being either funny or intriguing. I mean it could, but the forward planning on QC is a lot better. The Branwen breakup was totally out of the blue, and mostly because she wasn't even in Randy Milholland's original storyline plan (so he had to break the characters up to get on with whatever his ultimate OTP is- possibly Davan/Vanessa- despite how popular was and how well it worked in the comic).
I only registered after reading this comic for three years to put 100 bucks on this prediction:
Dora and Marten will get back together at Henry's wedding.
This isn't my personal feelings about the relationship, I just see a good bet when I see one.
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What the fu-
Myself, I ship Marten and Gary (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=721) at this point. (Click the link, it's a joke pairing.)
(Emergency Vermouth.)
I only registered after reading this comic for three years to put 100 bucks on this prediction:
Dora and Marten will get back together at Henry's wedding.
This isn't my personal feelings about the relationship, I just see a good bet when I see one.
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What the fu-
Who the fuck is Henry?
Dora and Marten have been dating for 1200 strips. Their first date was around #600. That is a GIGANTIC number.
#564 actually.
At least that's when she kisses him.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756)
MARTEN THE PROPHET
They aren't actually broken up Tergon, Dora merely is saying that they should break up at this point and Martin is all O_o.
It's not official until one of them walks out of the building with a :(
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756)
MARTEN THE PROPHET
wow, good find. Pretty much sums up the situation, except for the bit about the harley.
:psyduck:saying that marten's feeling's for faye has been looming over their relationship is probably true from Dora's perspective but its unfounded and she seriously needs a reality check. If marten still liked faye then he would have been mad or depressed when faye slept with sven (he wasnt), he wouldnt have tried to help the coupling of faye and angus, and he wouldnt have let Dora move in!
Well, this seems to be going in a direction that in the very long run will be good for both the characters and the comic. In the short run, I'd be surprised if we make it to 1900 without Marten being hella mopey the whole damn time.
By having Dora say it was all about Marten's past feelings for Faye, it means that this has been looming over the whole relationship, the entire time they were together. And god damn, that has to be a hellish thing to go through, it must've been a year or so. Glad it's ending, now....angst! Just in time for X-Mas!
Next strip.
An enraged Hanners storms into the apartment and DEMANDS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP CONTINUE OTHERWISE SHE WILL GET VERY ANGRY DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME.
Moments a slightly drunk Faye stumbles in and says "Oh hey I tried to call you Hanners but you didn't answer--"
This leads to the question of HOW DID HANNERS KNOW ABOUT THE BREAKUP? Hilarious hijinx ensue on Monday. Angst and drama resume on Tuesday.
They aren't actually broken up Tergon, Dora merely is saying that they should break up at this point and Martin is all O_o.
It's not official until one of them walks out of the building with a :(
Next strip.
An enraged Hanners storms into the apartment and DEMANDS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP CONTINUE OTHERWISE SHE WILL GET VERY ANGRY DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME.
Moments a slightly drunk Faye stumbles in and says "Oh hey I tried to call you Hanners but you didn't answer--"
This leads to the question of HOW DID HANNERS KNOW ABOUT THE BREAKUP? Hilarious hijinx ensue on Monday. Angst and drama resume on Tuesday.
Hanners knew because SHE IS A SPACE WIZARD :psyduck:
SPACE WIZARDS ARE REAL :psyduck:
:psyduck:
Well, this seems to be going in a direction that in the very long run will be good for both the characters and the comic. In the short run, I'd be surprised if we make it to 1900 without Marten being hella mopey the whole damn time.
By having Dora say it was all about Marten's past feelings for Faye, it means that this has been looming over the whole relationship, the entire time they were together. And god damn, that has to be a hellish thing to go through, it must've been a year or so. Glad it's ending, now....angst! Just in time for X-Mas!
saying that marten's feeling's for faye has been looming over their relationship is probably true from Dora's perspective but its unfounded and she seriously needs a reality check. If marten still liked faye then he would have been mad or depressed when faye slept with sven (he wasnt), he wouldnt have tried to help the coupling of faye and angus, and he wouldnt have let Dora move in!
As far as in the short term... I really don't see any possible romantic matches for Marten right now.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756)
MARTEN THE PROPHET
wow, good find. Pretty much sums up the situation, except for the bit about the harley.
Damn, Jeph! How can you save QCverse now? Marten will never visit CoD again? One thing's certain: I really want to see how Jeph handles this!!!!
But our friends are in pain, and somebody wants to throw a frigging party. Please remind me that "it's just a comic" before I start calling them names, and being a dick in every possible way. Quick.
Martin should hook up with a fatty.
As far as in the short term... I really don't see any possible romantic matches for Marten right now.Marigold?
But our friends are in pain, and somebody wants to throw a frigging party. Please remind me that "it's just a comic" before I start calling them names, and being a dick in every possible way. Quick.
Oh that thread is well and truly de-railed!!
The Order of the Dick-broom has take over and set up a garrison.
You should check it out...If you can handle the turkey droppings that is.
My wife's reaction to Dora's action was "It's all about her".Yeah, Dora's as self-centered as ever. And, I dare say, she's not completely honest here (that may as well mean she's not honest with herself. I don't think she's doing this on purpose). I mean, breaking up with Marten 'cause she thinks he still roots for Faye? That's her issue? Because, even in QC time, over a year ago she moved too fast? No, I don't think so. But whatever her reasons are, she's not telling.
(snip awesome edit)
Dora has to beat Marten to the punch and sleep with Faye first. :roll:
Comic ~560 to comic 1799? That's pretty damn good.
Running away isn't the answer.
Marten does need to grow a set and stand up for himself and the relationship. I'm a quite literal person so if I was Marten and Dora said, as she did, "But I think we should call it quits." Isn't the same as saying it's over and is merely an opinion during an emotional state. As another reader posted, the Faye thing is in Dora's head which is where Marten needs to go stating those things about not being jealous of Sven, helping Angus and Faye hook up and letting Dora move in.
As for the porn thing and violation of privacy...that's always a tough one. Couples shouldn't have secrets, but should respect each others privacy to a degree...then again, maybe that's just how I was raised being a 30-something person. If Dora was really interested in seeing what porn Marten was into (I find it really odd that it hasn't come up before with half the stuff talked about in the strips), she should have said something along the lines of "Hey, I'd love to watch some of your porn with you" given him a wink, a grope and a spank on the ass.
As my mind continues to wander around the situation, Dora's going to be in an even worse place once Marten's mother finds out and brings her to the special dungeon.
Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"
Only time will tell :)
(snip awesome edit)
I KNOW
I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN
(jordinyc, I fucking love you for this)
Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"
After reading today's strip, I'm not EVEN going to bother with pages 21-27 of this thread.
You wanna see Marten get some balls? You wanna see him "grow a pair"?
His next word (and so help me Jeph, you don't go this way, you might as well start putting him in a brown t-shirt that says "WELCOME" in big bright letters, because he's a DOORMAT) would be:
"GOOGLE IT"
Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
(snip awesome edit)
I KNOW
I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN
(jordinyc, I fucking love you for this)
Ha ha, and now that song is stuck in your head. .. or Hey Jude. .. Either way, you're welcome XD.
nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
First of all, getting back together at Marten's dad's wedding? GENIUS. GOD DAMN GENIUS.
Lol @ Jeph ending it in a way that allows the possibility to still be up in the air. Not commenting on this development until tomorrow's strip, where we'll actually know for sure whether they break up or not.
Very well done. I'm amazed more people didn't comment on that though (think there were all of...four posters who noted it).
First of all, getting back together at Marten's dad's wedding? GENIUS. GOD DAMN GENIUS.
Man, I hope you're wrong. I'm boosting for 'nevermore', and something that doesn't get undone.
_my_ ideal QC future has a prominent dead body in it.
I'll miss days like this (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282) if they do split
Not commenting on this development until tomorrow's strip, where we'll actually know for sure whether they break up or not.
Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"
I'm hoping more for Marten continuing to get pissed and call her out on her bullshit reasoning. Dora is full of shit with her reasoning for wanting to break up.Really? "This doesn't work because of my personal issues" is a bullshit reason?
I'll miss days like this (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282) if they do split^
Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"
I'm sure he'll manage to leave us hanging tomorrow, too.
Wanna Bet?
Not commenting on this development until tomorrow's strip, where we'll actually know for sure whether they break up or not.
Wanna Bet?
Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"
I wasn't thinking proposal, but... well, ok. I'm not really all that upset by all this because I was never really feelin' the Marten/Dora relationship, right from kiss numero uno. Just me, though. Reading this thread, people are pointing out that Marten IS invested in this relationship, and he really DOES love Dora... and if that's the case, why do I suddenly fear that Marten is going to break things off with... Faye?
Really, if I was in a year-long relationship with someone and was feeling all the love/lust/codependence that goes along with that, and they tried to break up with me because of a close friendship... I don't know, I wouldn't feel like I should HAVE to end that friendship to salvage the relationship, but I probably would anyway. : /
Yikes. Don't want to see that happen.
I'll miss days like this (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282) if they do split
What if it's a gunblade, though? Or a bayonnet?nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
Or a bigger knife.
What if it's a gunblade, though? Or a bayonnet?nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
Or a bigger knife.
What if it's a gunblade, though? Or a bayonnet?nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
Or a bigger knife.
If it's a gunblade, check to see if you are a character in Final Fantasy VIII. If you are, the answer is to summon Shiva. If you aren't, the answer is laughter and to punch the attacking cosplayer in the nads.
If it's a bayonet, then you should fix your own and have a bayonet duel.
I'm hoping more for Marten continuing to get pissed and call her out on her bullshit reasoning. Dora is full of shit with her reasoning for wanting to break up.Really? "This doesn't work because of my personal issues" is a bullshit reason?
First of all, getting back together at Marten's dad's wedding? GENIUS. GOD DAMN GENIUS.
Man, I hope you're wrong. I'm boosting for 'nevermore', and something that doesn't get undone.
_my_ ideal QC future has a prominent dead body in it.
Don't get me wrong, if it doesn't happen, I ain't cryin'. And frankly, if it does happen, I hope it doesn't happen for at least a year. But if it does happen, hoshit, how frakking perfect would it be in that scenario?I'll miss days like this (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282) if they do split
How crazy that that was almost 5 years ago to the day?
Or if it does, I hope it at least does so immediately, and we don't get years of sitcom style 'Will they-won't they' milking of sexual tension.
After reading today's strip, I'm not EVEN going to bother with pages 21-27 of this thread.
You wanna see Marten get some balls? You wanna see him "grow a pair"?
His next word (and so help me Jeph, you don't go this way, you might as well start putting him in a brown t-shirt that says "WELCOME" in big bright letters, because he's a DOORMAT) would be:
"GOOGLE IT"
What I read.
Or if it does, I hope it at least does so immediately, and we don't get years of sitcom style 'Will they-won't they' milking of sexual tension.
The thing is, unresolved sexual tension is friggin' storyline gold. Until you resolve it, which kills your story dead. (See: Cheers, Moonlighting.) Which is why I think the long-term arc will go to Faye/Marten but not until Jeph's ready to end the comic.
I disagree with this, I think, for example, OOTS handled the transition between Will They Won't They to an actual relationship between Elan and Haley pretty well. Now, that said, OOTS had other things to focus on than interpersonal relationships, so I dunno, but I think jeph's a good enough writer to pull it off. I don't expect to see anything rushed though.Or if it does, I hope it at least does so immediately, and we don't get years of sitcom style 'Will they-won't they' milking of sexual tension.
The thing is, unresolved sexual tension is friggin' storyline gold. Until you resolve it, which kills your story dead. (See: Cheers, Moonlighting.) Which is why I think the long-term arc will go to Faye/Marten but not until Jeph's ready to end the comic.
I disagree with this, I think, for example, OOTS handled the transition between Will They Won't They to an actual relationship between Elan and Haley pretty well. Now, that said, OOTS had other things to focus on than interpersonal relationships, so I dunno, but I think jeph's a good enough writer to pull it off. I don't expect to see anything rushed though.Or if it does, I hope it at least does so immediately, and we don't get years of sitcom style 'Will they-won't they' milking of sexual tension.
The thing is, unresolved sexual tension is friggin' storyline gold. Until you resolve it, which kills your story dead. (See: Cheers, Moonlighting.) Which is why I think the long-term arc will go to Faye/Marten but not until Jeph's ready to end the comic.
you just don't know so chill out and see what happens. Sure, pontificate at length about what you have read into the story arc, but just calm down about this because we don't have all the information.
Yes, I realise this may be seen as hypocritical, but I'm well rested, feeling well again, and I'm not in "rar! Arguments!" mode right now.
As I read it, it was more a case of "I know this isn't true, but that still doesn't help me convince my subconscious because of all my insecurities."I'm hoping more for Marten continuing to get pissed and call her out on her bullshit reasoning. Dora is full of shit with her reasoning for wanting to break up.Really? "This doesn't work because of my personal issues" is a bullshit reason?
As far as Dora goes in the actual strip, it's actually "this doesn't work because I think you still want Faye".
Why would I police what others have to say?you just don't know so chill out and see what happens. Sure, pontificate at length about what you have read into the story arc, but just calm down about this because we don't have all the information.
Yes, I realise this may be seen as hypocritical, but I'm well rested, feeling well again, and I'm not in "rar! Arguments!" mode right now.
Fire up your dick broom and your hypocrisy ray, there, clarence, and keep on with that 'policing what other people have to say' job!
Prediction (assuming that this is in fact THE BREAKUP):
Marigold will fall for Marten.
He's around, he's available, he's a convenient target for her frustrated fantasies, and she can 'comfort him in his time of need' (see: innumerable fanfics revolving around the concept and leading to Twoo Wuv Fowever, which Marigold would take to heart).
She will then proceed to follow him around to the point of stalking, with offers of homemade cookies/awkward affection/pimply geeksex, while Marten - totally not interested but way too nice a guy to say, BITCH, BACK OFF (the only response extreme enough to derail her burgeoning obsession) will find himself steadily less and less able to deal with the onslaught of misplaced "affection" until he does snap, and yells at her in some generally well-deserved but (to Marigold) devastating display of rejection, at which point she runs off wailing like a banshee, and we get three or four panels of Marten feeling needlessly guilty over the whole thing.
...Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything. :-P
What if it's a gunblade, though? Or a bayonnet?nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
Or a bigger knife.
If it's a gunblade, check to see if you are a character in Final Fantasy VIII. If you are, the answer is to summon Shiva. If you aren't, the answer is laughter and to punch the attacking cosplayer in the nads.
If it's a bayonet, then you should fix your own and have a bayonet duel.
Prediction (assuming that this is in fact THE BREAKUP):That, or... he gives in and lets his dick do the thinking. Pimples or not, Marigold has a pretty nice body. She may not be as slim as the fashion ideal, but nor is Faye. I notice Marten never seemed to object to Faye's extra padding. After they knock boots a few times, Marigold starts to notice that really Marten isn't that into her, he's just going along with it for the sex and to avoid letting her down.
Marigold will fall for Marten.
He's around, he's available, he's a convenient target for her frustrated fantasies, and she can 'comfort him in his time of need' (see: innumerable fanfics revolving around the concept and leading to Twoo Wuv Fowever, which Marigold would take to heart).
She will then proceed to follow him around to the point of stalking, with offers of homemade cookies/awkward affection/pimply geeksex, while Marten - totally not interested but way too nice a guy to say, BITCH, BACK OFF (the only response extreme enough to derail her burgeoning obsession) will find himself steadily less and less able to deal with the onslaught of misplaced "affection" until he does snap, and yells at her in some generally well-deserved but (to Marigold) devastating display of rejection, at which point she runs off wailing like a banshee, and we get three or four panels of Marten feeling needlessly guilty over the whole thing.
...Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything. :-P
"And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
"I've got the fever... and the only cure... is more gun.""And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
Okay. This actually makes a lot more sense than, "Dora is being a crazy, mood-swinging bitch." I'd probably be this insecure too if I thought my boyfriend might still be harboring feelings for his (now our) roommate/best friend that he had a crush on and was rejected by very shortly before taking up with me. I'm not saying she's right, because I think Marten's made it very clear that his attention is square on Dora, but jealousy is rarely rational, and she has, I'm sure, plently niggling at the back of her mind. For instance, Marten would not move out of the apartment with Faye - Dora had to move in. From an outsider perspective, this is a guy not willing to move too fast and leave his comfort zone of 'things as they've always been'. From Dora's perspective, this probably read as, 'Okay, he doesn't want to leave Faye behind.' Faye is treated by Marten similarly to Dora, in that they are capable of having intimate personal conversations. Outsiders would see this as a truly good, supportive friendship. Dora could easily see it as 'treating Faye like me but without the sex.' And the list goes on and on and on.I have nothing more to add to this, it sums up my perception of the matter perfectly.
The fact of the matter is, Dora is right here; not in her perception that Marten was eventually going to leave her due to unresolved feelings for Faye, because I have a feeling that even if Marten does still feel something for Faye, that's not enough to pull him away from Dora, who's he's built this relationship with. No, Dora's right in that if she can't get over her insecurity and get her head back in the game, then yes, they need to break up. It doesn't have to be permanent, but that's up to her and her ability to overcome her security issues. At the end of the day she's the only one who can learn to get over this; no one, especially not a boyfriend, can teach her to love herself. That's what the real issue here is - self esteem, leading to insecurity and jealousy.
Say what you will about Dora following past M.O.s of getting out before things have a chance to blossom, but I think her reasoning here is sound (which is probably why Marten has that devastated silence for two panels - not only did she just dump him, but it's difficult to argue with her logic because it's not about his feelings for Faye but how Dora perceives them, which is something he cannot change). I'm just hoping she doesn't actually burn this bridge she's crossed after the fact.
After reading today's strip, I'm not EVEN going to bother with pages 21-27 of this thread.
You wanna see Marten get some balls? You wanna see him "grow a pair"?
His next word (and so help me Jeph, you don't go this way, you might as well start putting him in a brown t-shirt that says "WELCOME" in big bright letters, because he's a DOORMAT) would be:
"NO."
I'll miss days like this (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1282) if they do split
Man why you gotta bring up that now, I mean fuck, don't, don't bring that cute shit in here.
NO I'M NOT SAD! I just...I just have something in my eye...
...something in my heart...;_;
Man, I hope you're wrong. I'm boosting for 'nevermore', and something that doesn't get undone.
_my_ ideal QC future has a prominent dead body in it.
Isn't Marigold going to end up with that nice brown boy?
I don't want Marten to end up with a fat chick again. :|
Isn't Marigold going to end up with that nice brown boy?
I don't want Marten to end up with a fat chick again. :|
I have a proposal for you.
Why don't you approach a web comic artist and offer him a nice wad of money to write the comic you want to read? Or why don't you start your own web comic? You could then read a comic that goes exactly like you want to, and stop reading QC.
Isn't Marigold going to end up with that nice brown boy?
I don't want Marten to end up with a fat chick again. :|
I have a proposal for you.
Why don't you approach a web comic artist and offer him a nice wad of money to write the comic you want to read? Or why don't you start your own web comic? You could then read a comic that goes exactly like you want to, and stop reading QC.
Oh delightful, hurt feelings again! I wasn't even trolling this time. :laugh:
Who is the fatter chick at them moment, Faye or Marigold, I think Faye is a little bit smaller than Marigold, only because she appears rather rounder sometimes. I also imagine Marigold doesn't get out too much.
Isn't Marigold going to end up with that nice brown boy?
I don't want Marten to end up with a fat chick again. :|
Must... resist... urge... to... feed... troll.... :psyduck:
Who is the fatter chick at them moment, Faye or Marigold, I think Faye is a little bit smaller than Marigold, only because she appears rather rounder sometimes. I also imagine Marigold doesn't get out too much.
Isn't Marigold going to end up with that nice brown boy?
I don't want Marten to end up with a fat chick again. :|
*whistles*
Impressive trolling.
Don't forget, the racism or fat-hate isn't the problem, expressing your opinion on plot development is!
Don't forget, the racism or fat-hate isn't the problem, expressing your opinion on plot development is!
Don't forget, the racism or fat-hate isn't the problem, expressing your opinion on plot development is!
It is when you do it incessantly.
Must... resist... urge... to... feed... troll.... :psyduck:
Must... resist... urge... to... feed... troll.... :psyduck:
I can't help but think that this forum was a lot nicer when the activation emails didn't get sent out.
Which is kinda sad, really, because I only got to subscribe after the activation email thingy was fixed. :psyduck:
But the current invasion of trolls and Internet Tough Guys is unsettling.
Must... resist... urge... to... feed... troll.... :psyduck:
I can't help but think that this forum was a lot nicer when the activation emails didn't get sent out.
Which is kinda sad, really, because I only got to subscribe after the activation email thingy was fixed. :psyduck:
But the current invasion of trolls and Internet Tough Guys is unsettling.
Don't forget, the racism or fat-hate isn't the problem, expressing your opinion on plot development is!
It is when you do it incessantly.
Well, bitch more about people who have the sheer audacity to have an opinion that differs in any significant way from yours, we're almost to page 30!
Must... resist... urge... to... feed... troll.... :psyduck:
I can't help but think that this forum was a lot nicer when the activation emails didn't get sent out.
Which is kinda sad, really, because I only got to subscribe after the activation email thingy was fixed. :psyduck:
But the current invasion of trolls and Internet Tough Guys is unsettling.
Meh, they'll get bored and leave before to long.
Assuming this is the actual breakup, and not something else, could I float the notion that Marten shouldn't 'go to' anyone for the time being?
It's understandable to miss 'having someone', after a breakup, but it's realistic (and just plain wise) to give it a while. There's also the possibility of making that person your 'transition' SO... and that's not the kindest thing to do to someone.
Not saying "Marten should join a monastic order", but a bit of a gap might be good.
Don't forget, the racism or fat-hate isn't the problem, expressing your opinion on plot development is!
It is when you do it incessantly.
Well, bitch more about people who have the sheer audacity to have an opinion that differs in any significant way from yours, we're almost to page 30!
Wiregeek, I've been following you and I must say, while you keep your opinion quite well, you really seem to bounce from one end of the spectrum to another. I'm not talking you down though, you at least respect free speech for what it is.
Assuming this is the actual breakup, and not something else, could I float the notion that Marten shouldn't 'go to' anyone for the time being?
It's understandable to miss 'having someone', after a breakup, but it's realistic (and just plain wise) to give it a while. There's also the possibility of making that person your 'transition' SO... and that's not the kindest thing to do to someone.
Not saying "Marten should join a monastic order", but a bit of a gap might be good.
(BTW- still taking the longshot outside bet on Vicky, for the hell of it. Whose last appearance happened to be recently redrawn? ;) )
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Dang.
They will then be forced to cross Hanzo swords...
And sleeping with them.Assuming this is the actual breakup, and not something else, could I float the notion that Marten shouldn't 'go to' anyone for the time being?
It's understandable to miss 'having someone', after a breakup, but it's realistic (and just plain wise) to give it a while. There's also the possibility of making that person your 'transition' SO... and that's not the kindest thing to do to someone.
Not saying "Marten should join a monastic order", but a bit of a gap might be good.
If this plays out like I think it's gonna, it won't be a problem. If my #2 theory pans out (Breakup is final, yes), then I believe Marten is gonna be hanging out with the Booze Hallucinations for a while.
Also, you know the way Jeph's been slowly 'prepping' Hanners for a relationship? I hope it's not with Marten, I don't see that working out really well for some reason. Maybe I think Marten needs someone a little less neurotic after the Faye/Dora debacles. Maybe Marten needs to go gay with Steve after Cossette puts him off women for life by doing something catastrophic to his pubic hair.
And sleeping with them.
Must... resist... urge... to... feed... troll.... :psyduck:Indeed. Where is the ignore button? :psyduck:
Dora/other person right now: now that's a possibility. If she doesn't start working on her issues, she may go after someone else. She is able to pursue the person she wants. But, I don't think she will. She has also been single for a long time, and I think she's sensible enough to not use someone as rebound fuck.
"And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
I have a hard time feeling much empathy for any of them. And I think Jeph's got a mild case of head-in-butt disease if he thinks the story of an eternally innocent guy surrounded by hot but abusive, and/or batshit insane chicks isn't somewhat misogynistic.
- Marten needs to man up a bit and inform little miss Dora that there are two people in their relationship and that it isn't over until he agrees that it's over.
Ah...maybe he meant to say Marten won't give up without putting forward his thoughts first?
Maybe?
=/
"And if that don't work... use more gun."
The Gatling Gun: For those who can never have enough gun(TM)
The real question is... Will this thread have more words in it than ALL OF QC before the next week's thread starts?
Seriously, I'm kind of curious.
Marten needs to man up a bit and inform little miss Dora that there are two people in their relationship and that it isn't over until he agrees that it's over.I'm pretty sure things don't work like that. At least I've never seen it outside of tv. When one person says it's over and holds to it, it's over right then regardless of what the other wants.
QuoteMarten needs to man up a bit and inform little miss Dora that there are two people in their relationship and that it isn't over until he agrees that it's over.I'm pretty sure things don't work like that. At least I've never seen it outside of tv. When one person says it's over and holds to it, it's over right then regardless of what the other wants.
I like Dora and think it's a bummer that they seem to be breaking up, but shit has to change and obstacles have to be thrown in the way of what people want in order for a story to be interesting. If everybody was happy and well-adjusted and dealt with their conflicts like they've all been in therapy for 20 years, it'd be pretty boring.
"And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
The Gatling Gun: For those who can never have enough gun(TM)
"And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
The Gatling Gun: For those who can never have enough gun(TM)
the GAU-* Avenger- the gun so awesome they built a damn plaane around it
Okay. This actually makes a lot more sense than, "Dora is being a crazy, mood-swinging bitch." I'd probably be this insecure too if I thought my boyfriend might still be harboring feelings for his (now our) roommate/best friend that he had a crush on and was rejected by very shortly before taking up with me. I'm not saying she's right, because I think Marten's made it very clear that his attention is square on Dora, but jealousy is rarely rational, and she has, I'm sure, plently niggling at the back of her mind. For instance, Marten would not move out of the apartment with Faye - Dora had to move in. From an outsider perspective, this is a guy not willing to move too fast and leave his comfort zone of 'things as they've always been'. From Dora's perspective, this probably read as, 'Okay, he doesn't want to leave Faye behind.' Faye is treated by Marten similarly to Dora, in that they are capable of having intimate personal conversations. Outsiders would see this as a truly good, supportive friendship. Dora could easily see it as 'treating Faye like me but without the sex.' And the list goes on and on and on.I have nothing more to add to this, it sums up my perception of the matter perfectly.
The fact of the matter is, Dora is right here; not in her perception that Marten was eventually going to leave her due to unresolved feelings for Faye, because I have a feeling that even if Marten does still feel something for Faye, that's not enough to pull him away from Dora, who's he's built this relationship with. No, Dora's right in that if she can't get over her insecurity and get her head back in the game, then yes, they need to break up. It doesn't have to be permanent, but that's up to her and her ability to overcome her security issues. At the end of the day she's the only one who can learn to get over this; no one, especially not a boyfriend, can teach her to love herself. That's what the real issue here is - self esteem, leading to insecurity and jealousy.
Say what you will about Dora following past M.O.s of getting out before things have a chance to blossom, but I think her reasoning here is sound (which is probably why Marten has that devastated silence for two panels - not only did she just dump him, but it's difficult to argue with her logic because it's not about his feelings for Faye but how Dora perceives them, which is something he cannot change). I'm just hoping she doesn't actually burn this bridge she's crossed after the fact.
I third it. And for the sake of that and a quote tunnel not being my entire post, I must also say I hope things aren't super shitty between them after this, at least not for very long. I do like Dora, and though I wouldn't mind a little down time for her character I'd hate to see her fall too far out of focusOkay. This actually makes a lot more sense than, "Dora is being a crazy, mood-swinging bitch." I'd probably be this insecure too if I thought my boyfriend might still be harboring feelings for his (now our) roommate/best friend that he had a crush on and was rejected by very shortly before taking up with me. I'm not saying she's right, because I think Marten's made it very clear that his attention is square on Dora, but jealousy is rarely rational, and she has, I'm sure, plently niggling at the back of her mind. For instance, Marten would not move out of the apartment with Faye - Dora had to move in. From an outsider perspective, this is a guy not willing to move too fast and leave his comfort zone of 'things as they've always been'. From Dora's perspective, this probably read as, 'Okay, he doesn't want to leave Faye behind.' Faye is treated by Marten similarly to Dora, in that they are capable of having intimate personal conversations. Outsiders would see this as a truly good, supportive friendship. Dora could easily see it as 'treating Faye like me but without the sex.' And the list goes on and on and on.I have nothing more to add to this, it sums up my perception of the matter perfectly.
The fact of the matter is, Dora is right here; not in her perception that Marten was eventually going to leave her due to unresolved feelings for Faye, because I have a feeling that even if Marten does still feel something for Faye, that's not enough to pull him away from Dora, who's he's built this relationship with. No, Dora's right in that if she can't get over her insecurity and get her head back in the game, then yes, they need to break up. It doesn't have to be permanent, but that's up to her and her ability to overcome her security issues. At the end of the day she's the only one who can learn to get over this; no one, especially not a boyfriend, can teach her to love herself. That's what the real issue here is - self esteem, leading to insecurity and jealousy.
Say what you will about Dora following past M.O.s of getting out before things have a chance to blossom, but I think her reasoning here is sound (which is probably why Marten has that devastated silence for two panels - not only did she just dump him, but it's difficult to argue with her logic because it's not about his feelings for Faye but how Dora perceives them, which is something he cannot change). I'm just hoping she doesn't actually burn this bridge she's crossed after the fact.
I second this emotion.
- Marten needs to man up a bit and inform little miss Dora that there are two people in their relationship and that it isn't over until he agrees that it's over.
facepalm forever.
Hey, look. Foreshadowing. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=803)
- Marten needs to man up a bit and inform little miss Dora that there are two people in their relationship and that it isn't over until he agrees that it's over.
facepalm forever.
Bonus points for use of the phrase "Li'l Missy", I'm guessing?
"And if that don't work... use more gun."
The Gatling Gun: For those who can never have enough gun(TM)
The Railgun: For those who've outgrown their Gatling Gun.
"I am sure they will listen to Reason." -Snow Crash
I agree with very little of what you've said in this forum but at least I know you have exceptionally good taste. I have to admit my plans for the evening involve disc two of series five of Doctor Who and I'm extremely excited about the whole thing. [/thread derailing]They will then be forced to cross Hanzo swords...
Oh I think Jeph would do a gorgeous job of a sword-duel-in-the-snow!
You're tempting me to re-watch Kill Bill instead of Dr. Who, tempter!
I agree with very little of what you've said in this forum but at least I know you have exceptionally good taste. I have to admit my plans for the evening involve disc two of series five of Doctor Who and I'm extremely excited about the whole thing. [/thread derailing]They will then be forced to cross Hanzo swords...
Oh I think Jeph would do a gorgeous job of a sword-duel-in-the-snow!
You're tempting me to re-watch Kill Bill instead of Dr. Who, tempter!
I can't really see Marten coming back with something along the lines of "no we're not broken up" like a couple have suggested here.
Mostly because he's spent a long time (his whole life?) pretty much rolling over and going with what the women in his life tell him. *Not* agreeing to the end of the relationship here would be an odd way to buck that trend.
Though thanks for the Seinfeld reminders..."Moira, turn your key!"
Omnes una manet nox
On a slightly less serious note, am I the only one who looks at the last two panels of today's comic and hears Bart Simpson saying "You can actually pinpoint the second where his heart rips in half."?
Omnes una manet nox
My Latin is a bit rusty. "Only the night will outlive everyone? Everything will happen anyway ..." I don't get the rest.
There ain't no such thing as too much dakka."And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
David Tennant will always have my heart, but I've enjoyed Matt Smith so far, plus it was just released on DVD. Also, I HATE Rose. Doctor is all "don't touch the baby, Rose, it will ruin everything" and Rose is all "oh pretty baby that will grow up to me, let me hold you" argh. Series four FTW.I agree with very little of what you've said in this forum but at least I know you have exceptionally good taste. I have to admit my plans for the evening involve disc two of series five of Doctor Who and I'm extremely excited about the whole thing. [/thread derailing]They will then be forced to cross Hanzo swords...
Oh I think Jeph would do a gorgeous job of a sword-duel-in-the-snow!
You're tempting me to re-watch Kill Bill instead of Dr. Who, tempter!
Tsk, Series Two, thank you. Tenth Doctor BEST Doctor!
(OK, something bugs me about Matt Smith, I don't know why, but I prefer the Angry Little God)
I can't believe I'm still sad about this. I was thinking about it all day long. Even my boss asked me what was wrong.
My Boss: Hey. You look sad. Is there something wrong?
Me: Marten and Dora broke up this morning.
My Boss:...Do I know them?
Me: No. They're not real people. *goes back to cooking*
My Boss:...Okay. *walks away*
I mean, honestly, it's probably for the best and all but they had been together for 2/3 of the whole of QC and it's just...I keep seeing Marten's face in the last panel in my head. It's haunts me. He just looks so devastated. :(
And I'll say this again because it can't be said enough--please, please, please to let this all be a set up for future Marten/Faye. Do NOT want.
I can't believe I'm still sad about this. I was thinking about it all day long. Even my boss asked me what was wrong.
My Boss: Hey. You look sad. Is there something wrong?
Me: Marten and Dora broke up this morning.
My Boss:...Do I know them?
Me: No. They're not real people. *goes back to cooking*
My Boss:...Okay. *walks away*
I mean, honestly, it's probably for the best and all but they had been together for 2/3 of the whole of QC and it's just...I keep seeing Marten's face in the last panel in my head. It's haunts me. He just looks so devastated. :(
And I'll say this again because it can't be said enough--please, please, please to let this all be a set up for future Marten/Faye. Do NOT want.
I can't believe I'm still sad about this. I was thinking about it all day long. Even my boss asked me what was wrong.
My Boss: Hey. You look sad. Is there something wrong?
Me: Marten and Dora broke up this morning.
My Boss:...Do I know them?
Me: No. They're not real people. *goes back to cooking*
My Boss:...Okay. *walks away*
I mean, honestly, it's probably for the best and all but they had been together for 2/3 of the whole of QC and it's just...I keep seeing Marten's face in the last panel in my head. It's haunts me. He just looks so devastated. :(
And I'll say this again because it can't be said enough--please, please, please to let this all be a set up for future Marten/Faye. Do NOT want.
Wait. You DO want it? Or you do NOT? :P
But agreed. Marten/Faye would be not welcome. Please, no.
And now Marten will take some comfort in the arms of his friend Steve, which will lead to the inevitable hook up between them.
:psyduck:
That is almost all.
I've been reading some of the posts here, and I noticed a lot of people are saying "Relationships are a two-way thing! Just because Dora says it's over doesn't mean it's over!" Uh, I'm pretty damn sure that it's over. I mean, assuming Dora doesn't back out and they continue to date, the "relationships are a two-way thing" goes both ways. Yes, both people's opinions matter, but if one person doesn't want it to go on, then it doesn't go on.
Also, I constructed a strip in my head last night, and as sad as it is it's also pretty funny.
Screw moving back home, take a pack of darts to a map of the states and roll a d20 on the results to figure out where to go for a fresh start next. Stuff Pintsize in a trunk and leave him be, ghosts of the past can only haunt you so far.
Mostly because he's spent a long time (his whole life?) pretty much rolling over and going with what the women in his life tell him. *Not* agreeing to the end of the relationship here would be an odd way to buck that trend.I really don't agree with the whole "turn your key" thing. If one person gets sick of the other one and calls it quits, then it should be over. It's called "dumping someone". Sure, it sucks, but it happens.
Though thanks for the Seinfeld reminders..."Moira, turn your key!"
Mostly because he's spent a long time (his whole life?) pretty much rolling over and going with what the women in his life tell him. *Not* agreeing to the end of the relationship here would be an odd way to buck that trend.I really don't agree with the whole "turn your key" thing. If one person gets sick of the other one and calls it quits, then it should be over. It's called "dumping someone". Sure, it sucks, but it happens.
Though thanks for the Seinfeld reminders..."Moira, turn your key!"
I'm actually glad they broke up, now things will get more interesting. Maybe Marten will join Steve on the drinking wagon or something.
But again, she's not saying that. She's saying she's breaking up because of something she can't handle.Ah, you're right. My bad. She might just end up talking a break or something, but I doubt it. The comic seemed too dramatic just for a break or a talking-things-out.
P.S. Needs more Marigold/Dale interaction. :mrgreen:Agreed. Also, I wonder if Meena will ever come back...
AND THEN NEXT WEEK BEGINS THE SAGA OF "YELLING BIRD AND SWEET TITS GO TO MEXICO!"
Screw moving back home, take a pack of darts to a map of the states and roll a d20 on the results to figure out where to go for a fresh start next. Stuff Pintsize in a trunk and leave him be, ghosts of the past can only haunt you so far.
I read this very quickly and thought a "d20" was some sort of joint that I hadnt heard about yet. Damn you and your game dice.
November 22nd: YELLING BIRD PRESENTS SIX WEEKS OF GUEST STRIPS, SHITCOCKS.
AND THEN NEXT WEEK BEGINS THE SAGA OF "YELLING BIRD AND SWEET TITS GO TO MEXICO!"
Also, since we've transitioned to Turkey Cavalry, we'll need infantry support, and you can arm yourself with whatever you wish, as long as it's useless if you're squeamish about handling a UBMEOD.
Why not use the USHMEOB?
And now, let the inevitable 17 pages of crusty sweatsock fanfic commence whether we want it to or not.
At least now we might get to see more Faye/Angus and Wil/Penelope. Dora/Marten took up most of the comic's scheduled couples' programming.
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IT BEGINS :psyduck:
Is it just me or is red really hard to read against the grey background?
Huh.
Still rings a bit to me of Dora saying, "Deep down, I'm still afraid you'll hurt me, so I've got to do this to protect myself."
Okay, now Sven is going to rebound-fuck Marten. WATCH AND SEE. :mrgreen:
PLEASE BE RIGHT :psyduck:
The problem is that there's no way to know how far to take the Dora-feels-bad-but-doesn't-want-to-hurt-Marten loop. She's breaking up so that she can stop hurting Marten, but also because she doesn't want to hurt herself, but because she doesn't want Marten to have to deal with her hurting herself, but because she'd feel bad about hurting Marten, but he'd feel bad about her being miserable about him being miserable...
No, that way lies madness.
30 pages. Somehow I knew it would be 30 pages when I clicked on the QC Discussion Forum.Also, since we've transitioned to Turkey Cavalry, we'll need infantry support, and you can arm yourself with whatever you wish, as long as it's useless if you're squeamish about handling a UBMEOD.
Why not use the USHMEOB?
You could! However, the Useless Sledgehammer Made Entirely Of Boobs is for bludgeoning people who don't get an obvious punchline and never will get it, so its utility isn't quite the same as the Useless Broom Made Entirely Of Dicks. Definitely worth having on hand, though.
One more thought: Marten loses verbal abilities when he's surprised, so given his BSOD face in the last 2 panels, I kinda doubt he's gonna be up for a chat with anyone right after being dumped. No telling when the numbness is gonna wear off, or whether he'll be mostly sad, relieved, or pissed when it does. It might be interesting to see Angry Marty for awhile, actually. I do like Marten, and I want him to be happy, but it may take him awhile to get past this. Guess we'll see.
]Meena's married to Dave now.
But speaking of Steve, would he get jealous because of Cosette's former crush on
Marten?
My Boss: Hey. You look sad. Is there something wrong?
Me: Marten and Dora broke up this morning.
My Boss:...Do I know them?
Me: No. They're not real people. *goes back to cooking*
My Boss:...Okay. *walks away*
30 pages. Somehow I knew it would be 30 pages when I clicked on the QC Discussion Forum.Also, since we've transitioned to Turkey Cavalry, we'll need infantry support, and you can arm yourself with whatever you wish, as long as it's useless if you're squeamish about handling a UBMEOD.
Why not use the USHMEOB?
You could! However, the Useless Sledgehammer Made Entirely Of Boobs is for bludgeoning people who don't get an obvious punchline and never will get it, so its utility isn't quite the same as the Useless Broom Made Entirely Of Dicks. Definitely worth having on hand, though.
I think that sometimes this is a UFMEOT, or Useless Forum Made Entirely of Tools
One more thought: Marten loses verbal abilities when he's surprised, so given his BSOD face in the last 2 panels, I kinda doubt he's gonna be up for a chat with anyone right after being dumped. No telling when the numbness is gonna wear off, or whether he'll be mostly sad, relieved, or pissed when it does. It might be interesting to see Angry Marty for awhile, actually. I do like Marten, and I want him to be happy, but it may take him awhile to get past this. Guess we'll see.
There we go, Marten's face = BSOD. I'd been poking at that panel, that is the perfect descriptor.
Heh -- if so, the toolbox is getting laaarrrger . . . :-D
Oh my goodness guys. Don't you see what this means?
Next storyline: Tai tires of her polygamous ways and realizes her deep love for Marten, turning straight to console him.
Heh -- if so, the toolbox is getting laaarrrger . . . :-D
Shirley you jest...
Oh my goodness guys. Don't you see what this means?
Next storyline: Tai tires of her polygamous ways and realizes her deep love for Marten, turning straight to console him.
The Taitenic? but we know that sinks already...
Why should he go out drinking with Steve? Faye is the one with the emergency burbon.
Oh my goodness guys. Don't you see what this means?
Next storyline: Tai tires of her polygamous ways and realizes her deep love for Marten, turning straight to console him.
The Taitenic? but we know that sinks already...
Oh my goodness guys. Don't you see what this means?
Next storyline: Tai tires of her polygamous ways and realizes her deep love for Marten, turning straight to console him.
The Taitenic? but we know that sinks already...
No, no, it doesn't sink -- it goes down.
:-D
D
:psyduck:
It occurs to me, (ltr;ftp) that Marten may not have anyone to rely on anyway. We have people in relationships of all varities, and although some of these girls have had feelings for Marten, that might make the boys clutch on a little tighter. As for Tai... She will be there for Dora in days. Marten is surrounded by people in relationships, same with Dora. Yet I don't see Marten bouncing back from this one. I feel like Dora however will be there for Tai's grasp and go for it because "hey, this is a girl and all my horrible exes were guys".
It occurs to me, (ltr;ftp) that Marten may not have anyone to rely on anyway. We have people in relationships of all varities, and although some of these girls have had feelings for Marten, that might make the boys clutch on a little tighter. As for Tai... She will be there for Dora in days. Marten is surrounded by people in relationships, same with Dora. Yet I don't see Marten bouncing back from this one. I feel like Dora however will be there for Tai's grasp and go for it because "hey, this is a girl and all my horrible exes were guys".
INSIGHT ALERT! INSIGHT ALERT! Do not read if you're not willing to listen to reason!
We, as readers, are falling for the Author Avatar fallacy. Yes, I know, "Author Avatar" is a TV Trope (and no, I won't link to it here so as to drive you crazy for the rest of the day), but in this case, I think it's the heart of our strong reactions to this whole storyline.
married with a dog
I know, I'm getting into TL,DR territory. Bottom line is this, though: anything less than a "NO" out of Marten's mouth isn't going to cut it.
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STUFF
See, Marten and Dora is, whether you like it or not, the longest running "pair-up" in the strip. Unfortunately, that doesn't match up with our Author Avatar fallacy - Jeph's married, ergo Marten and Dora are a OTP that should lead to marriage. Or, at least, to not breaking up.
There's a problem with this, though: just from the way that Jeph has told the story (perhaps not intentionally putting himself in Marten's shoes, but just as a good author writes dialogue for his characters), he has pretty much made it difficult for him to do anything but keep Marten and Dora together.
I'll be surprised if nothing unexpected happens tomorrow, given that it's #1800, and this comic's previous track record with strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1337) number (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=666) influence (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=500). Not to mention the vagueness of the wording in today's newspost.
I realized something a long time ago.
Everyone you date, you will either break up with, or marry / stay with forever
so most relationships will end with a break up. Heck, some marriages do as well.
In QC so far, there have been a few breakups already, but mostly with minor characters.
I can't believe I'm still sad about this. I was thinking about it all day long. Even my boss asked me what was wrong.
My Boss: Hey. You look sad. Is there something wrong?
Me: Marten and Dora broke up this morning.
My Boss:...Do I know them?
Me: No. They're not real people. *goes back to cooking*
My Boss:...Okay. *walks away*
I mean, honestly, it's probably for the best and all but they had been together for 2/3 of the whole of QC and it's just...I keep seeing Marten's face in the last panel in my head. It's haunts me. He just looks so devastated. :(
And I'll say this again because it can't be said enough--please, please, please don't let this all be a set up for future Marten/Faye. Do NOT want.
But...I'll be surprised if nothing unexpected happens tomorrow, given that it's #1800, and this comic's previous track record with strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1337) number (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=666) influence (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=500). Not to mention the vagueness of the wording in today's newspost.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka)"And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
But...I'll be surprised if nothing unexpected happens tomorrow, given that it's #1800, and this comic's previous track record with strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1337) number (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=666) influence (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=500). Not to mention the vagueness of the wording in today's newspost.
What's special about the number 1800?
My only question is where does she go from here? Literally? She lives with Marten and Faye at the moment and it's more than a little awkward to share your sofa, let alone your bed, with your ex-girlfriend.
It factors out to all primes and squares of primes. Assuming I didn't screw that up. Math gives me a . . . (puts on sunglasses) . . . headache. :psyduck:
Therefore it's a PRIME opportunity for something to happen. :laugh:
Dora will seduce Wil's mother and become the family's new live-in maid, giving over management of CoD to Faye.My only question is where does she go from here? Literally? She lives with Marten and Faye at the moment and it's more than a little awkward to share your sofa, let alone your bed, with your ex-girlfriend.
She'll move in with Hanners, and it will be awesome. :-D
My only question is where does she go from here? Literally? She lives with Marten and Faye at the moment and it's more than a little awkward to share your sofa, let alone your bed, with your ex-girlfriend.
She'll move in with Hanners, and it will be awesome. :-D
Therefore it's a PRIME opportunity for something to happen. :laugh:
It factors out to all primes and squares of primes. Assuming I didn't screw that up.
Dude, every whole number does that.
Therefore it's a PRIME opportunity for something to happen. :laugh:
Anyone else hear a couple of hundred thousand people groaning?
And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Oh my goodness guys. Don't you see what this means?
Next storyline: Tai tires of her polygamous ways and realizes her deep love for Marten, turning straight to console him.
The Taitenic? but we know that sinks already...
No, no, it doesn't sink -- it goes down.
:-D
D
Is that an iceberg in your pants or are you just happy to see me.
*sigh* This is gonna be one of the longest 7 or so hours in a loooong time.
I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said, given the 30+ pages in here...
But...I'll be surprised if nothing unexpected happens tomorrow, given that it's #1800, and this comic's previous track record with strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1337) number (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=666) influence (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=500). Not to mention the vagueness of the wording in today's newspost.
And now Marten will take some comfort in the arms of his friend Steve, which will lead to the inevitable hook up between them.
Now THAT. That right there, that is DO NOT WANT.
And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
I'll tell you once more/ before I get off the floor/don't bring me down... :mrgreen:And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Illegitimus non carborundum
(Don't let the bastards grind you down)
Another poll selection should be....
Waiting for the server to reboot after everyone crashed it while waiting for Jeph to post the next comic.
I'll tell you once more/ before I get off the floor/don't bring me down... :mrgreen:And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Illegitimus non carborundum
(Don't let the bastards grind you down)
...I'm done. Simply because I can't think of anymore, and I almost corrected your Latin endings.I'll tell you once more/ before I get off the floor/don't bring me down... :mrgreen:And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Illegitimus non carborundum
(Don't let the bastards grind you down)
Just give me land, lots of land/under starry skies above/... Don't fence me in
...I'm done. Simply because I can't think of anymore, and I almost corrected your Latin endings.I'll tell you once more/ before I get off the floor/don't bring me down... :mrgreen:And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Illegitimus non carborundum
(Don't let the bastards grind you down)
Just give me land, lots of land/under starry skies above/... Don't fence me in
o. Duh....I'm done. Simply because I can't think of anymore, and I almost corrected your Latin endings.I'll tell you once more/ before I get off the floor/don't bring me down... :mrgreen:And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Illegitimus non carborundum
(Don't let the bastards grind you down)
Just give me land, lots of land/under starry skies above/... Don't fence me in
Yeah, like what's the correct ablative case ending for carborundum? I'm sure I got that wrong. :-)
o. Duh....I'm done. Simply because I can't think of anymore, and I almost corrected your Latin endings.I'll tell you once more/ before I get off the floor/don't bring me down... :mrgreen:And to think I thought I'd have to stop reading in order to study my Latin..Omnes una manet nox
Omnia iam fient quae posse negabam
:-P
Illegitimus non carborundum
(Don't let the bastards grind you down)
Just give me land, lots of land/under starry skies above/... Don't fence me in
Yeah, like what's the correct ablative case ending for carborundum? I'm sure I got that wrong. :-)
Sorry about that Tbone, I got carried away.haha, it's ok! it was fun!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka)"And if that don't work... use more gun."nah the answer would be a gun.Running away is NEVER the answer.Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.
I can't believe I'm still sad about this. I was thinking about it all day long. Even my boss asked me what was wrong.
My Boss: Hey. You look sad. Is there something wrong?
Me: Marten and Dora broke up this morning.
My Boss:...Do I know them?
Me: No. They're not real people. *goes back to cooking*
My Boss:...Okay. *walks away*
I mean, honestly, it's probably for the best and all but they had been together for 2/3 of the whole of QC and it's just...I keep seeing Marten's face in the last panel in my head. It's haunts me. He just looks so devastated. :(
And I'll say this again because it can't be said enough--please, please, please don't let this all be a set up for future Marten/Faye. Do NOT want.
Yeah it's been a while in OUR time, but in QC time it's been what, 6 months? Atleast less than a year.
Marten is going to kiss Faye.
No, really. Just watch. 1800.
holy balls, how _is_ Faye going to handle this?
Dora's life could be in danger from something other than her own hand...
I could see Faye quitting. I could see Dora firing her.
I could see Marten lying in a pool of blood with a bullet in his brain, but it isn't very likely.
Oh, Jeph, you magnificent bastard!
They're both sick of her crap. OH BOY.I quite like the fact that they're both sick of her crap, even has my inner-Psyduck gets a little sad.
Ohh yeah. At least now, no matter what else happens the comic is worth reading. I was genuinely having my doubts. Might not go the way I want it to, but at least Marten won't be dating Dora anymore. My prediction for Monday.Then cut to Tai and Dora making out? *hopeful*
Tai: Hey, Marten! Ready for another non-stop day of excitement(!) at the library?
Marten: ... I guess...
Tai: Why you looking so glum today?
Marten: Ohh, it's just... Dora and I broke up.
Tai: Oh man, I'm so sorry...
Marten: Thanks, but... it would be more sincere if you could STOP GRINNING.
Tai: ...I can't help it! Dora is finally single again!
And there it is. Not much else you can say.
Interesting he said it was mutual, don't know if that's how he really sees it, but whatever gets him through the night.
Awesomely written here. Short, simple, but very VERY effective.
And next Monday (our time):
Sven will put some sense in her sister's head. Even if that means hitting her with a rolled magazine again. And again. And again. And my head suddenly hurts. :psyduck:
And next Monday (our time):
Sven will put some sense in her sister's head. Even if that means hitting her with a rolled magazine again. And again. And again. And my head suddenly hurts. :psyduck:
Warning - while you were typing over9000 new replies have been posted.
I promise jokes and happiness will return to QC soon. Relatively soon, anyway.
Warning - while you were typing over9000 new replies have been posted.
I'd say that this meme is seriously getting old, but that's probably going to trigger a bunch of idiots swarming in and overdoing it just to be annoying.
Haha 3 new replies before I even started typing.
Well, not what I wanted to see (I don't mean that as in - I WANT JEPH TO DRAW THIS AND WRITE THIS BLARGHHH I mean I wanted to see more of their conversation, if any) but his comment seems to indicate they -did- talk more, so I'm going to assume they finally had a long long discussion. Because Faye IS home now, so considering the coffeeshop was still open, that could have been a couple of hours at Sven's...
So if they did talk more and it's still mutual (tho that was said with a little bitter swallow methinks) then fine. I don't like it, I think Dora should try some actually -action- towards working on her issues, but this is very true to life as well, so there you go. Fantastic writing.
Tears for you Marten <3 Tears forever
I'm guessing that judging by the shot of Faye looking sadly at the closed door, next week might see QC's third door (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=568) smashing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1347) entry (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1744) comic. Just depends who Faye's going to smash her way in on, Dora or Marten... or possibly someone else. Maybe Angus so she can try to get away from all the Hella-hella Drama?
And next Monday (our time):
Sven will put some sense in her sister's head. Even if that means hitting her with a rolled magazine again. And again. And again. And my head suddenly hurts. :psyduck:
No he won't. It's over, dude.
And this isn't necessarily directed to you specifically. CAN WE ALL JUST AGREE THAT THIS IS THE END?
FOR REAL REAL NOT FOR PLAY PLAY?
Haha 3 new replies before I even started typing.
Well, not what I wanted to see (I don't mean that as in - I WANT JEPH TO DRAW THIS AND WRITE THIS BLARGHHH I mean I wanted to see more of their conversation, if any) but his comment seems to indicate they -did- talk more, so I'm going to assume they finally had a long long discussion. Because Faye IS home now, so considering the coffeeshop was still open, that could have been a couple of hours at Sven's...
So if they did talk more and it's still mutual (tho that was said with a little bitter swallow methinks) then fine. I don't like it, I think Dora should try some actually -action- towards working on her issues, but this is very true to life as well, so there you go. Fantastic writing.
Tears for you Marten <3 Tears forever
I don't think they did, actually. I think Marten just turned around and walked away. I think he was too exhausted to do anything else.
So much fucking logistics to deal with, though. Honestly the cleanest thing I could see is that Dora gets on a bus to somewhere and has Faye run Coffee of Doom in her absence.
Well that was disappointing. It's pretty obvious he didn't fight it or anything. He just got up and walked out. Way to be a spineless sack dude.I don't think so, really. The whole point of Dora wanting to break up was because of their fighting... and I can't think of any way Marten could have argued her around from there. At least for tonight, Dora wasn't going to budge. If it makes you feel better, it's pretty much a guarantee there was a talk after Dora dropped that bombshell that we didn't see, and there's a good chance Marten did some fighting for the relationship in that talk, but... well, if it did nothing, I guess Jeph decided we didn't really need to see it.
No, he did exactly what he should've. He got away from the annoying bint who strung him along with her equally annoying issues that she adamantly refuses to seek help for.
Now what FAYE needs to do is come in with a full bottle of Wreckless Cowboy and get him good and drunk. That way he can bitch himself to sleep and feel better about it.
Because otherwise we're just gonna have a repeat of the last stupid event, with Faye going over to Sven's, stuffing him into an oven to get to Dora, then throwing her out a fucking window.
...Wait, no, that would actually be awesome. So it won't happen. Instead, she either just goes and talks to Marten, or goes to bitch out Dora. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just the standard Faye Special.
And next Monday (our time):
Sven will put some sense in her sister's head. Even if that means hitting her with a rolled magazine again. And again. And again. And my head suddenly hurts. :psyduck:
No he won't. It's over, dude.
And this isn't necessarily directed to you specifically. CAN WE ALL JUST AGREE THAT THIS IS THE END?
FOR REAL REAL NOT FOR PLAY PLAY?
I accepted this two updates ago, and I ain't going back. QC is the equivalent of my daily soap opera(s) in webcomic form, and I take the same philosophy with it: Drama is guaranteed, and there is no taking back a decision. OH WAIT.
So you're suggesting that Dora should be Put On A Bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus)? :P
In all honesty, though, I do think it makes a bit of sense that either her or Marten take a trip. I don't at all mean they should be cut out of the comic, that would be terrible! Just that, well, let's say Marten decides to go back home for a couple days, and the story threads split between him and the rest of the gang while there's time for a little healing before he deals with everything. Dora can even use the time to move her stuff out, or whatever. I guess she'll move in with Sven now? Hmmm, or Hanners, if Jeph's in an Odd Couple kind of mood.
So you're suggesting that Dora should be Put On A Bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus)? :P
In all honesty, though, I do think it makes a bit of sense that either her or Marten take a trip. I don't at all mean they should be cut out of the comic, that would be terrible! Just that, well, let's say Marten decides to go back home for a couple days, and the story threads split between him and the rest of the gang while there's time for a little healing before he deals with everything. Dora can even use the time to move her stuff out, or whatever. I guess she'll move in with Sven now? Hmmm, or Hanners, if Jeph's in an Odd Couple kind of mood.
I'm guessing that judging by the shot of Faye looking sadly at the closed door, next week might see QC's third door (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=568) smashing (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1347) entry (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1744) comic.So was 568 what ultimately led to the events of 1799?
It's not so much that I wanted him to resolve it. I mostly wanted to see some righteous indignation. It was obvious, Dora wanted out. While it's true I did hold out hope that, if I could stop my girlfriend from leaving when she pulled a similar argument, Marten might could do it too, I didn't expect it. And the fact that Jeph didn't show a talk tells me that there wasn't one. When has he ever really shied away from exposition in these drama situations?Well that was disappointing. It's pretty obvious he didn't fight it or anything. He just got up and walked out. Way to be a spineless sack dude.I don't think so, really. The whole point of Dora wanting to break up was because of their fighting... and I can't think of any way Marten could have argued her around from there. At least for tonight, Dora wasn't going to budge. If it makes you feel better, it's pretty much a guarantee there was a talk after Dora dropped that bombshell that we didn't see, and there's a good chance Marten did some fighting for the relationship in that talk, but... well, if it did nothing, I guess Jeph decided we didn't really need to see it.
Kind of like when Faye visited home for a bit, we could see Marten with his family. That could be cool.Exactly. More of Ms. Reed is always a good thing! Plus we can see where Marten grew up and whatnot. And if Steve can't come with him, Pintsize definitely should.
Maybe Steve would take him out on a BUDDY PICTURE ROAD TRIP. Hilarious hijinks ahoy!
Gotta disagree with you there. Dora's character development has only really just started in any serious way. Up until now we knew she's an ex-goth, runs her own business, gets along well with her brother despite issues with his man-whoriness, and likes Marten. Now she finally has a history and she's been given serious issues, along with a big role in one of the comic's biggest upheavals ever, and you think she's of no use to the comic?So you're suggesting that Dora should be Put On A Bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus)? :P
It's certainly the easiest thing to do for the comic: it gets her out of Marten and Faye's apartment, it makes it so Marty can still go to Coffee of Doom to hang out, and it gives Marten room to finally grow as a person. Plus it takes Dora, whose character development locked up something like a thousand strips ago, out of the picture, and Jeph can bring her back later if he wants (assuming no allosaurs get her first). Of course, I'm just looking at it from "what would be the neatest angle?"
:psyduck:
WELP
It's not so much that I wanted him to resolve it. I mostly wanted to see some righteous indignation. It was obvious, Dora wanted out. While it's true I did hold out hope that, if I could stop my girlfriend from leaving when she pulled a similar argument, Marten might could do it too, I didn't expect it. And the fact that Jeph didn't show a talk tells me that there wasn't one. When has he ever really shied away from exposition in these drama situations?If this weren't the last comic for the week, I'd absolutely agree with you. But Jeph, God love the lil' bunny that he is, cannot resist a dramatic ending to the week. We all know it. There was no way that another "Talk" could top Thursday's comic, so he skipped it.
Egads, 10 new posts. :psyduck:
<snip> He's not at peace with what happened, he looks defeated.
Gotta disagree with you there. Dora's character development has only really just started in any serious way. Up until now we knew she's an ex-goth, runs her own business, gets along well with her brother despite issues with his man-whoriness, and likes Marten. Now she finally has a history and she's been given serious issues, along with a big role in one of the comic's biggest upheavals ever, and you think she's of no use to the comic?
Man, it's only just starting for her. Even if it was remotely plausible to remove a major character like this, as well as just retcon her ownership of the place where Faye works, it'd be shitty storytelling and Jeph's way above that.
Sven doesn't have room for Dora. I think he only has the one bedroom.Well, he WAS thinking about buying a house... (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1424)
Ooh, that's a thought. Pintsize totally stabbed Marten in the back by showing Dora how to find his porn. Wonder if the lil' robot is going to be punished? Marten should install McAfee Virus Scan on him.Simpler than that - remember that Pintsize's chassis is a lil'goldmine...
Ian-
Possibility 4 and 5 fall under the SAME DAMNED CATEGORY as possibility 1- That she walked in and told him what had happened.
Possibility 7 was already debunked.
And Possibilities 8 and up all fall under the category of 1.
IanClark, you can take your OWN preconcieved notions and stuff them up a Psyduck, since your latest "addition" to the conversation has been about as useful as a broom made up entirely of... you know.
Got it?
Good.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Marten's just wallowing in jerkishness now. Yes, you were both sick of her crap. You weren't gonna do anything about it except sigh at night and grow ever more secretly bitter comparing your relationship to others. She saw the flaws in the situation and ended it for you. Don't be an asshole about it now, Marten.
FOR REAL REAL NOT FOR PLAY PLAY?
It's just, I mean... barely an hour or two ago they were laughing about their childhood sex ed, which led to making fun of Marten's porn, to which he reacted adorably...
AND THEN DORA AND MARTEN BROKE UP.
You don't see how it might be a bad idea to call it here and now?
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Marten's just wallowing in jerkishness now. Yes, you were both sick of her crap. You weren't gonna do anything about it except sigh at night and grow ever more secretly bitter comparing your relationship to others. She saw the flaws in the situation and ended it for both of you. Don't be an asshole about it now, Marten.Yes, thank you. I've been trying to figure out how to phrase my disappointment in Marten, but you've done it more succinctly than I could have managed.
Ooh, that's a thought. Pintsize totally stabbed Marten in the back by showing Dora how to find his porn. Wonder if the lil' robot is going to be punished? Marten should install McAfee Virus Scan on him.Simpler than that - remember that Pintsize's chassis is a lil'goldmine...
Huuuurrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhh :psyduck:
Marten and Faye are not going to get together and Marten and Dora are not going to get back together for at least another year our time. Please let it go.
Also, there is a middle ground between 'OMFG Marten's such a doormat he should have proposed/fought for the terrible relationship blah blah blah' and 'OMFG Marten is such an angry bitter jerk for saying he's sick of someone who's contstantly giving him shit'. MIDDLE GROUND PEOPLE. I think he was right not to beg for her back, and right to be pissed off about where Dora's jealousy led the relationship. He'll get over it. They can be friends.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Marten's just wallowing in jerkishness now. Yes, you were both sick of her crap. You weren't gonna do anything about it except sigh at night and grow ever more secretly bitter comparing your relationship to others. She saw the flaws in the situation and ended it for both of you. Don't be an asshole about it now, Marten.
To the people giving all sorts of crap to Marten:
In the comic, Marten felt he was in a happy, functional relationship as of THAT AFTERNOON. Smiling and laughing with his loving girlfriend and platonic best friend.
Now he's been dumped, for reasons that are totally out of his control, and after rereading some of the archives, have existed since day 1 of the relationship. Dora has been having issues on that same subject literally since she kissed him the first time.
The fact that she hasn't changed at all, hasn't gotten at least NUMB to the problem, does not speak well of her.
Awesome thought: Instead of Buddy Picture Road Trip, both Marten and Steve go back into Steve's old secret spy temp job and we get to see some fun action movie hijinks!
Maybe Steve would take him out on a BUDDY PICTURE ROAD TRIP. Hilarious hijinks ahoy!
More than an hour or two. Time for Dora to get from CoD to their flat, time for her to talk to Pintsize & search. Time for Marten to arrive (he apparently didn't follow her straight out the door, maybe thinking she wouldn't really do it). Time for them to argue, Marten to storm out, more arguing, "That's it then." Time for Marten to look for Dora & end up at CoD. Time for him to depress Faye and then walk to Sven's. Time for "call it quits". And now time for him to walk home from Sven's, which I doubt was by the straightest road. [And time for Faye to get absolutely blootered, lock up, walk home and time to drink some more]FOR REAL REAL NOT FOR PLAY PLAY?
It's just, I mean... barely an hour or two ago they were laughing about their childhood sex ed, which led to making fun of Marten's porn, to which he reacted adorably...
AND THEN DORA AND MARTEN BROKE UP.
You don't see how it might be a bad idea to call it here and now?
Heh, I finally figured out how Jeph is going to break the forums. Like "soul snapping like a Twix bar" break, to use an earlier reference.I'm torn between laughing maniacally and reacting in horror at the idea that he might just do that.
Assume a week of time off for Turkeys and Yelling Bird and Guest Strips...
11/29 Monday, Panel One: FIVE YEARS LATER.
To the people giving all sorts of crap to Marten:
In the comic, Marten felt he was in a happy, functional relationship as of THAT AFTERNOON. Smiling and laughing with his loving girlfriend and platonic best friend.
Now he's been dumped, for reasons that are totally out of his control, and after rereading some of the archives, have existed since day 1 of the relationship. Dora has been having issues on that same subject literally since she kissed him the first time.
The fact that she hasn't changed at all, hasn't gotten at least NUMB to the problem, does not speak well of her.
Ooh, that's a thought. Pintsize totally stabbed Marten in the back by showing Dora how to find his porn. Wonder if the lil' robot is going to be punished? Marten should install McAfee Virus Scan on him.Simpler than that - remember that Pintsize's chassis is a lil'goldmine...
Oh God you guys I know where QC is going. :psyduck:
They just went through the Singularity.
So Dora is going to attempt to transcend human consciousness in order to avoid any further relationship fuck-ups. She will use Winslow and Hannelore's aid to make this attempt.
Marten will force Agent Turing to help him attempt same in exchange for Pintsize's chassis going (back?) to the government.
As they both reach SI>1, the ascendant AIs of the world learn what it is like to be broken up with/break up with someone, from both sides. Driven insane by the emotional turmoil, they decide to launch a xenocidal campaign against mankind. An apocalyptic war breaks out.
A betrayed Pintsize uploads his consciousness into a reaper morph from Eclipse Phase and goes on a rampage across Massachusetts, hunting for Marten's social circle and relatives. Faye becomes the grizzled bourbon-swilling leader of the human resistance, with the memory of Angus' bloody death at the hands of a rampant Momo to keep her hatred alive.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Marten's just wallowing in jerkishness now. Yes, you were both sick of her crap. You weren't gonna do anything about it except sigh at night and grow ever more secretly bitter comparing your relationship to others. She saw the flaws in the situation and ended it for both of you. Don't be an asshole about it now, Marten.
Are you retarded?
Ooh, that's a thought. Pintsize totally stabbed Marten in the back by showing Dora how to find his porn. Wonder if the lil' robot is going to be punished? Marten should install McAfee Virus Scan on him.Simpler than that - remember that Pintsize's chassis is a lil'goldmine...
Oh God you guys I know where QC is going. :psyduck:
They just went through the Singularity.
So Dora is going to attempt to transcend human consciousness in order to avoid any further relationship fuck-ups. She will use Winslow and Hannelore's aid to make this attempt.
Marten will force Agent Turing to help him attempt same in exchange for Pintsize's chassis going (back?) to the government.
As they both reach SI>1, the ascendant AIs of the world learn what it is like to be broken up with/break up with someone, from both sides. Driven insane by the emotional turmoil, they decide to launch a xenocidal campaign against mankind. An apocalyptic war breaks out.
A betrayed Pintsize uploads his consciousness into a reaper morph from Eclipse Phase and goes on a rampage across Massachusetts, hunting for Marten's social circle and relatives. Faye becomes the grizzled bourbon-swilling leader of the human resistance, with the memory of Angus' bloody death at the hands of a rampant Momo to keep her hatred alive.
I do believe that this has already happened in an alternate universe. Only Momo has a daughter with Pintsize, and she infiltrates the human resistance wearing her android skin.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Marten's just wallowing in jerkishness now. Yes, you were both sick of her crap. You weren't gonna do anything about it except sigh at night and grow ever more secretly bitter comparing your relationship to others. She saw the flaws in the situation and ended it for both of you. Don't be an asshole about it now, Marten.
Are you retarded?
No, that's a genuine question.
She's a cunt! End of story. HE fucking did nothing wrong. In fact, he's just spent the entire day being dicked over by his colossal cunt of an ex-girlfriend. I'd say he has reason to be bitchy and moody about it.
E: No, fuck you, I'll expound.
She's an insecure LUNATIC who doesn't respect other peoples' wishes. He calls her out on her bullshit, she has a hissy fit (OH HEY BIG SURPRISE!) and takes her ball and goes to Sven's. Marten goes AFTER her to TALK IT OUT, and she dumps his ass. You know what, fuck you 'Marten is in the wrong!' idiots. He fucking TRIED to take the high road despite being complete fed up with her crap, and basically got punched in the dick for his troubles.
He didn't get out and get hammered, he fucking went home to go to bed. I fucking fail to see how he was a JERK.
:psyduck:
WELP
This is also the second time in a row he has been shut down by a woman saying she can't manage her own issues well enough for a relationship.
To the people giving all sorts of crap to Marten:
In the comic, Marten felt he was in a happy, functional relationship as of THAT AFTERNOON. Smiling and laughing with his loving girlfriend and platonic best friend.
Now he's been dumped, for reasons that are totally out of his control, and after rereading some of the archives, have existed since day 1 of the relationship. Dora has been having issues on that same subject literally since she kissed him the first time.
The fact that she hasn't changed at all, hasn't gotten at least NUMB to the problem, does not speak well of her.
Pintsize totally stabbed Marten in the back by showing Dora how to find his porn. Wonder if the lil' robot is going to be punished? Marten should install :psyduck:McAfee Virus Scan :psyduck: on him.
oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no #panicattack #sadfriends #everythingisawful #hashtags #aaa
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd Marten's just wallowing in jerkishness now. Yes, you were both sick of her crap. You weren't gonna do anything about it except sigh at night and grow ever more secretly bitter comparing your relationship to others. She saw the flaws in the situation and ended it for both of you. Don't be an asshole about it now, Marten.
Well I mean I think the whole "we're both sick of her crap" was unnecessarily mean. I still think what she did was very healthy: she recognized how and why their relationship wasn't working, and that there wasn't an easy fix for it (she may eventually want to get therapy for her issues, but I actually think she is right that she could get never be certain about his feelings for Faye versus her and what-could-have-beens--I mean, look at what people say about it on this forum!), and decided to have it end peaceably and kindly. I still think Marten was the one who should have done the breaking up, but apparently he's incapable of it even as he's been moping and doubting the future of their relationship for months.
Indeed...the guy needs someone a bit more level headed next time around. Granted that's probably not going to be for a while... :|Fourth in line there would probably be Marigold doing a, "How can you throw away something like that?" double-take. Not to sound like I'm hanging out for them to hook back up as soon as possible - I'm not - but Mari does have a perspective that the others might not, and it's possible that Dora might open up to her a little easier because she's more neutral than the others.
I'm guessing Monday we get someone talking with Dora....it's Sven, Faye, or Hanners...in descending order of likelihood.
He's not being bitchy to her, he's just been dumped. Let the Poor sonofabitch vent for Christ sake!This. The guy just broke up with a girl who - whether or not you approve of it - he does love. Guy's allowed to be a little bit hurt, it doesn't make him king of the selfish assholes. It's what anyone would be doing in his situation. And $20 says that if he wasn't being bitter and harsh about it, people would be howling at what a doormat he was being for NOT EVEN CARING OH EM GEE.
^^^^^^ Oh good lord this.Indeed...the guy needs someone a bit more level headed next time around. Granted that's probably not going to be for a while... :|Fourth in line there would probably be Marigold doing a, "How can you throw away something like that?" double-take. Not to sound like I'm hanging out for them to hook back up as soon as possible - I'm not - but Mari does have a perspective that the others might not, and it's possible that Dora might open up to her a little easier because she's more neutral than the others.
I'm guessing Monday we get someone talking with Dora....it's Sven, Faye, or Hanners...in descending order of likelihood.He's not being bitchy to her, he's just been dumped. Let the Poor sonofabitch vent for Christ sake!This. The guy just broke up with a girl who - whether or not you approve of it - he does love. Guy's allowed to be a little bit hurt, it doesn't make him king of the selfish assholes. It's what anyone would be doing in his situation. And $20 says that if he wasn't being bitter and harsh about it, people would be howling at what a doormat he was being for NOT EVEN CARING OH EM GEE.
It's not the end of the world, is what I'm saying.
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Man, Marten could have had himself some fatty sex.
Woulda made him feel better. :-P
Man, Marten could have had himself some fatty sex.That joke's been used already in this thread. You're fun to argue with, but if you're just gonna troll, be creative about it, man!
Woulda made him feel better. :-P
Man, Marten could have had himself some fatty sex.
Woulda made him feel better. :-P
Fatty sex makes everyone feel better. Also, shut the fuck up.
I don't think Marten's "her crap" and Dora's "her crap" are the same. Marten knew that Dora had some trust issues, but guess what? He loved (loves?) her enough that he wants to work through them. That's what healthy couples do. Now Dora comes out and says that she's giving up on the relationship rather than work through her issues? And that the most salient issue is one that, as far as Marten knows, Dora had worked out several hundred strips ago? That's crap - not the trust issues, but Dora's spinelessness in dealing with them.
I mean, I understand the sentiment and he's being very human here. But let's face it, that often translates to "big fat jerk" and well, "We were both sick of her crap" is not only incredibly bitter, it's a pretty mean thing to say. He's lashing out about something he never had the guts to talk about or take action with. Yeah, he's feeling powerless right now. He's hurting and he really is tired of going around the same merry-go-round, but he's also being a jerk.
Really? When did Marten put Faye ahead of Dora?
She wasn't the most important person in Marten's life, Faye was. So that niggled
That's also why y'all who wanted Marten to stick around and protest the breakup were misguided. That tactic only works if they're breaking up over something that can be feasibly fixed. If it was just the trust issues, yeah, sticking around and saying, "No, you're wrong, I love being with you even if your occasional bitchiness drives me crazy" is a viable option. But that wasn't it. Dora basically told Marten, "You're not worth the effort I'd have to put in to make this relationship work" wrapped in a more polished "Honey, it's not you, it's me" wrapper. Can't really fix that, once it's said.
I wonder at what point Faye will learn that Dora's main issue was the Faye vs. Dora thing. The first Dora/Faye conversation after that little revelation is going to get real interesting. Something along the lines of "You dumb bitch, Marten and I spend strip after strip explaining to you that we're happy having you and him together, and a year later you still can't get that through your thick skull?!"
I hope for one of two possibilities for the next comic:
1. Marten is visiting his mom.
2. Two month time skip.
Mostly because I don't wanna see mopey people for the next two months.
That's also why y'all who wanted Marten to stick around and protest the breakup were misguided. That tactic only works if they're breaking up over something that can be feasibly fixed. If it was just the trust issues, yeah, sticking around and saying, "No, you're wrong, I love being with you even if your occasional bitchiness drives me crazy" is a viable option. But that wasn't it. Dora basically told Marten, "You're not worth the effort I'd have to put in to make this relationship work" wrapped in a more polished "Honey, it's not you, it's me" wrapper. Can't really fix that, once it's said.
I wonder at what point Faye will learn that Dora's main issue was the Faye vs. Dora thing. The first Dora/Faye conversation after that little revelation is going to get real interesting. Something along the lines of "You dumb bitch, Marten and I spend strip after strip explaining to you that we're happy having you and him together, and a year later you still can't get that through your thick skull?!"
Not to come down on a good point, because it is, but to be fair I think it should be pointed out that Dora knows this. Pretty much the whole point is that she knows, intellectually, that Marten and Faye are not going to shack up on her. She's 100% aware that she's being an irrational bitch when she even suggests otherwise. She's not breaking up with Marten because she believes he wants Faye more than her, she's breaking up with him because she can't stop herself from thinking it anyway.
Yes, she's still running from the problem rather than solving it, and Marten's suffering for it. But her reasoning isn't quite as terrible as everyone seems to be suggesting.
Long time reader, first time poster, blah blah blah. I'm not even adding anything really substantial!
Interesting that he locked the door.
No, its worse. Its like having intimacy issues but continuing to have sex with your partner because you think they won't love you as much for not. Later exploding for what could feel. Like months of rape for you. That's about right.
Long time reader, first time poster, blah blah blah. I'm not even adding anything really substantial!
Interesting that he locked the door.
I didn't see the *click* as him locking the door necessarily, just that it didn't SLAM close for once. A soft click shut, I guess
I mean, I understand the sentiment and he's being very human here. But let's face it, that often translates to "big fat jerk" and well, "We were both sick of her crap" is not only incredibly bitter, it's a pretty mean thing to say. He's lashing out about something he never had the guts to talk about or take action with. Yeah, he's feeling powerless right now. He's hurting and he really is tired of going around the same merry-go-round, but he's also being a jerk.So Marten's "We were both sick of her crap" is incredibly bitter and mean? Wow, I had no idea there were so many nuns reading this forum! In the same circumstances, I'm not sure my own response would have been so muted, so I'm not about to cast a stone. Honestly, some seem to hold Marten to a standard only the Lord Buddha might achieve.
Wow. News of Marten and Dora's breakup popped Faye's drunk bubbles, to the point where she had to seek comfort by touching her own breasts. Interesting that he locked the door.
No, its worse. Its like having intimacy issues but continuing to have sex with your partner because you think they won't love you as much for not. Later exploding for what could feel. Like months of rape for you. That's about right.
Dora knows on a logical level that she can trust Marten, but emotionally she can't control her outbursts. For this reason she's breaking it off with him, because she feels that she can't handle the relationship when all she does is freak out at him, and hurt him, for things that she already knows are completely stupid. This is because she feels that sticking with him and overcoming the problem, together, would be too hard.
You're equating this to someone who is terrified of sex volunteering to be raped until they explode.
I know even as I type this that you're going to think I'm being a smarmy asshole, and I'm sorry, but in all honesty and with zero sarcasm, I cannot for the life of me follow the connection you just made.
You keep applying logic to someone who claims to illogical, self claim by the way. Either you want to believe that she isn't or just can't notice....aaaaaaand this is the part where I just stop talking to you. Hopefully others will too, though I'm sure you'll find someone gullible enough to respond anyway. Apologies for thinking you might have been less than a troll for a moment there, no hard feelings!
"I am so in love with you Marten, I'm just incapable of knowing I refuse to be jealous of a fat girl. Ill just shut up about it until I break up with you over it."
I woldnt be surprised if she tells him its her fault, and then blames him and others later. You all do know she moved in just to keep an eye on them right.
Interesting that he locked the door.Oh god. He's going to furiously masturbate to pictures of her then cry for hours afterwords. Throughout the week.
Dora knows on a logical level that she can trust Marten, but emotionally she can't control her outbursts.
Or psy: :psyduck:
Dora knows on a logical level that she can trust Marten, but emotionally she can't control her outbursts.
This is true. The question we must then ask is - to what extent is this her fault? Personally, I'm inclined to think that if you're 27ish and still haven't developed the ability to override the crazy emotional side of your brain and pay attention to logic, you've screwed up somewhere. Having a history of difficult relationships earns you some patience in dealing with the crazy, but it doesn't get you off the hook.
Then again, I tend to be much more rational than emotional, so I might be a tad biased...
You keep applying logic to someone who claims to illogical, self claim by the way. Either you want to believe that she isn't or just can't notice....aaaaaaand this is the part where I just stop talking to you. Hopefully others will too, though I'm sure you'll find someone gullible enough to respond anyway. Apologies for thinking you might have been less than a troll for a moment there, no hard feelings!
"I am so in love with you Marten, I'm just incapable of knowing I refuse to be jealous of a fat girl. Ill just shut up about it until I break up with you over it."
I woldnt be surprised if she tells him its her fault, and then blames him and others later. You all do know she moved in just to keep an eye on them right.
I really think the "chicken's" way out was ultimately the best way out. If they'd stayed together things would have just gotten worse. At least that's what I think.
I could also see Dora moving in with Hannelore; Hanners has been working on being less OCD, and I recall a comic where she told Dora that she was jealous of her for having a roommate.
I could also see Dora moving in with Hannelore; Hanners has been working on being less OCD, and I recall a comic where she told Dora that she was jealous of her for having a roommate.
I really rather hope that doesn't happen. Marten's going to need someone in his circle of friends to lean on while the emotional Dora-wound heals over. Steve's fine to get drunk with, but doesn't have much in the way of emotional depth or understanding. Faye's got her thing with Angus starting, and Marten's smart enough to know that forcing Faye to split her attentions would jeopardize that relationship, perhaps the most important one with regards to Faye's recovery process. I wouldn't trust Marigold not to be all "OMG single dude!" and throw herself at him, and even if she did restrain herself, she's so inexperienced with relationships (romantic or platonic) as to be essentially useless.
Which of course leaves Hannelore - not working on a relationship of her own, experienced enough at being a friend to give Marten the moral support he needs, and highly unlikely to try to take advantage of Marten's emotionally vulnerable state. Move Dora in with Hannelore, though, and my carefully thought-out plan (which I'm sure Jeph will completely contradict in the weeks ahead!) doesn't work.
There's always Tai, she doesn't appear too picky when she's drunk. I mean, she wanted to hook up with Marigold and we can't even predict days when she has showered or not.Err.
Tai comes in to CoD the following day, says Marty never showed up, gets the lowdown, then orders Dora to come out drinking with her. Tai acts as makeshift shrink and generally helps Dora out of her pants.
Well, looks like Dora's free for Tai, and Marten's free for ... dunno ... now.There's always Tai, she doesn't appear too picky when she's drunk. I mean, she wanted to hook up with Marigold and we can't even predict days when she has showered or not.Err.
You are kidding, right ?
Tai was hot for Marigold from minute one on.
But Dora's problem, is just out right dumb fuckery, this dude has been faithful to her the entire time, and she's just poking holes where they dont exist.
Shh, don't have an opinion around here. They'll call you a troll if its not one they agree with.
They only come out at night.
Shh, don't have an opinion around here. They'll call you a troll if its not one they agree with.
They only come out at night.
Are you referring to yourself?
Because, trust me, it's not your 'opinion' that's getting you called a troll.
In the short time that *I* read it from 1 to now. I havn't really been a big fan of the Marty / Dora relationship. I mean, yes, they were happy for most of it, but damn, Dora has some issues, probably more so than Faye.
Faye's problem is that she fears that she will be abandoned, simple as that, Even dating somebody else, Marty never abandoned her.
But Dora's problem, is just out right dumb fuckery, this dude has been faithful to her the entire time, and she's just poking holes where they dont exist.
I don't want the thread to get sidetracked.
You are kidding, right ?
Tai was hot for Marigold from minute one on.
You are kidding, right ?
Tai was hot for Marigold from minute one on.
Who wouldn't be?
Marigold is incredible!
What exactly is incredible about her? :?
What exactly is incredible about her? :?
You mean besides the fact that she's incredibly smart, caring, can patch up a pintsize in no time flat, is really creative, and gorgeous?
I mean, sure, she's a little shy. But lots of people are- that's no reason to not like her.
Marigold's my fav. QC Character.
@eyosgkxb: She's a girl, on the internet! Such a rare occurrence must mean an attractive person indeed.
@eyosgkxb: She's a girl, on the internet! Such a rare occurrence must mean an attractive person indeed.
That would probably equal the plainly stupidest thing I've ever seen on this forum.
Ever.
And I've seen a LOT of posts here.
In fact your post is not only completely off base and incredibly assumptive, but also has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.
Are you twelve?
......
Fat, introverted, bad hygiene, and anti-social, but I guess being a girl on the internet makes up for all those things.
I can't recall feeling so much empathy for a fictional character. I want nothing more than to comfort Marten right now. I hope that doesn't sound creepy.
Brilliant work this week, Jeph, though it did feel just a teensy bit rushed. Then again dragging this shit out would be way painful, for the readers and the characters both.
Can't wait to see everyone's (in the comic) reactions next week. Gonna be pretty interesting.
Can't wait to see everyone's (in the comic) reactions next week. Gonna be pretty interesting.
:psyduck:
Fat, introverted, bad hygiene, and anti-social, but I guess being a girl on the internet makes up for all those things.
Anyone think I'd get banned if I used my magical chubby chaser powers and showed this guy a picture of what fat actually looked like?
Long time reader, occasional lurker, first time poster here.
Rather than speculate on what I think is going to happen, or what I think should happen, or what they are doing, or what they aren't doing...I'd rather just say this.
Kudos Jeph, for making such achingly REAL characters.
Ooh, after catching up on the thread (and ignoring people bickering about whether or not they are trolls- what on Earth is the point? Ignore stuff if you think it is a troll, whether you're right or wrong. Seriously. The UBMEOD people seem to be at least as bad as everyone else for this. Remember your calling, guys, and mount your turkeys proudly! NOT LIKE THAT!)
I can't recall feeling so much empathy for a fictional character. I want nothing more than to comfort Marten right now. I hope that doesn't sound creepy.
Brilliant work this week, Jeph, though it did feel just a teensy bit rushed. Then again dragging this shit out would be way painful, for the readers and the characters both.
Can't wait to see everyone's (in the comic) reactions next week. Gonna be pretty interesting.
Comfort him and maybe give him a very weak kick in the pants once he's out of the the soul-crushing-grief stage.
Because, trust me, it's not your 'opinion' that's getting you called a troll.Trust me, there ARE people that call others troll - for having a different opinion.
You are kidding, right ?
Tai was hot for Marigold from minute one on.
Who wouldn't be?
Marigold is incredible!
What exactly is incredible about her? :?
What exactly is incredible about her? :?
You mean besides the fact that she's incredibly smart, caring, can patch up a pintsize in no time flat, is really creative, and gorgeous?
I mean, sure, she's a little shy. But lots of people are- that's no reason to not like her.
Marigold's my fav. QC Character.
None of the QC girls is "fat".What exactly is incredible about her? :?
You mean besides the fact that she's incredibly smart, caring, can patch up a pintsize in no time flat, is really creative, and gorgeous?
I mean, sure, she's a little shy. But lots of people are- that's no reason to not like her.
Marigold's my fav. QC Character.
Fat, introverted, bad hygiene, and anti-social, but I guess being a girl on the internet makes up for all those things.
Why the kick? Because he didn't sack up and stick up for himself? I admit I was a little disappointed but this is Marten we're talking about; he's way too reasonable not to know that there's be no point to that; Dora's made up her mind.
And although he might have been just saying it to save face in front of Faye, maybe he's way more sick of Dora's crap than we think.
Bed now. Will read the 10 new pages of posts tomorrow. Preferably while drunk.
Why the kick? Because he didn't sack up and stick up for himself? I admit I was a little disappointed but this is Marten we're talking about; he's way too reasonable not to know that there's be no point to that; Dora's made up her mind.
And although he might have been just saying it to save face in front of Faye, maybe he's way more sick of Dora's crap than we think.
Bed now. Will read the 10 new pages of posts tomorrow. Preferably while drunk.
Nah, I actually wish he'd have really pushed her towards dealing with her issues instead of tiptoeing around them, trying to avoid her triggers if applicable or just dealing with the fallout.
Bed is a good idea right about now. Don't let this thread drive you towards alcohol poisoning tomorrow.
Nah, I actually wish he'd have really pushed her towards dealing with her issues instead of tiptoeing around them, trying to avoid her triggers if applicable or just dealing with the fallout.
Bad hygiene ? Dont think so. She got her rooms cleaned, I imagine she automatically cleans herself too now. At least thats why I hear from people who did clean their rooms.Not always. Momo-tan had to remind her to take a shower when she and Hannelore were going to watch anime together.
If it helps, just think of all my rants being said in my hilarious Australian accent, and they'll seem less horrible!Actually, I imagine all your posts being said by Gene Wilder, which is just as hilarious (albeit sometimes surreal).
*raises hand sheepishly*
Yeah, I kind of deserve a kick in the ass for counter-trolling. I could argue that I'm at least doing it because I want people to be nice to each other, but I'm probably one of the most vitriolic when I get annoyed at trolls. Certainly I'm the worst at posting big, ranty, walls of text. Sorry if I gave folks the wrong impression with that sort of thing. I'm usually quite nice, honest! I... I just don't like it when the forum dissolves into piss-fights and flamewars, and I get a little too carried away with my own (percieved) cleverness.
So a sincere apology to anyone I caused to shake their heads a little. If it helps, just think of all my rants being said in my hilarious Australian accent, and they'll seem less horrible!
It is just that I have googled for something three times while reading QC:at which point I learned NOT TO GOOGLE IT.
- find out the meaning of 'indie rock'
- find out the meaning of 'yaoi'
- Chuck Palahniuk
Well I mean I think the whole "we're both sick of her crap" was unnecessarily mean.I'd say necessarily ticked off. She'd come the psycho bitch on him once recently, violated his privacy pretty severely, gotten huffy and defensive instead of taking her lumps for it like a big girl and then dumped him. If he'd been too mousy and understanding I'd send him to surgery to get a spine implanted. He has every right to be about that angry and correctly identified his legitimate complaint.
I still think what she did was very healthy: she recognized how and why their relationship wasn't working, and that there wasn't an easy fix for it (she may eventually want to get therapy for her issues, but I actually think she is right that she could get never be certain about his feelings for Faye versus her and what-could-have-beens--I mean, look at what people say about it on this forum!), and decided to have it end peaceably and kindly. I still think Marten was the one who should have done the breaking up, but apparently he's incapable of it even as he's been moping and doubting the future of their relationship for months.Cheating sexually or emotionally is one thing.
At this point we only have his word that it was "mutual."
Wild spec for the next comic; Faye knocks on Marten's door, trying to get him to come talk to her, while growing slowly more desperate/paranoid/panicky until she finally busts down the door. Whereupon we switch to a view of her face as she storms in and stops abruptly when she sees what Marty's about to do.
The next two panels each contain a sound effect and a shot of Faye's face locked in a rictus of abject terror.
The FX are "Bang!" and "Thud."
She's still like that when Dora finds them the next day.
:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
The newspost under the comic says "Full circle at last! Now the fun really begins."
At this point we only have his word that it was "mutual."
You mean, besides comic 1799.
I mean, yes, they were happy for most of it, but damn, Dora has some issues,
At this point we only have his word that it was "mutual."
You mean, besides comic 1799.
Nothing I see there says "mutual" In fact he seems quite shocked.
Here's a thought - when Marten said "We're both sick of her crap", I don't think it was angry or meant as a Dora-insult, but rather, a bitter realization. Notice how he says "It was... mutual", and the look on his face when he says "Yeah.", in response to Faye's "It was?". Another hint at the tone of "We're both sick of her crap" is the door's "click" as opposed to a slam. Sounds to me like the subtext is something like this:
Faye: "...you didn't..."
Marten: "It's okay... at first the breaking up was just on her side, but I'm realizing as well that it was meant to end."
Faye: "It was?"
Marten: "......probably, unfortunately."
Marten: "She was right, we were both getting sick of her crap. I just didn't want to admit it."
That's my take anyway.
Also, what a coincidence that we have this :psyduck: icon, as Psyduck is my favourite Pokémon!
Maybe it's the psyducks?Wild spec for the next comic; Faye knocks on Marten's door, trying to get him to come talk to her, while growing slowly more desperate/paranoid/panicky until she finally busts down the door. Whereupon we switch to a view of her face as she storms in and stops abruptly when she sees what Marty's about to do.
The next two panels each contain a sound effect and a shot of Faye's face locked in a rictus of abject terror.
The FX are "Bang!" and "Thud."
She's still like that when Dora finds them the next day.
:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
The newspost under the comic says "Full circle at last! Now the fun really begins."
Ahahahahahahagahahahaha that is not funny so why am I laughing so hard